24 25 Fantasy Goaltending: Strategies, Elite G1s, Value Targets, Analysis

[@oliverphilipp8523]

Leaps and bounds above any other goalie content I could expect for draft prep. 👏👏🙌

[@Tyler-hq5lm]

I love your flex early in the video. Your approach is solid so I was not at all surprised. Keep killing it.

[@Brennan-34]

Love this analysis!

[@wheysted1349]

You’re a real G data draft! Keep up the great work

[@williams428]

Excellent content and delivered on time 😊 god I love fading goalies so much

[@applesginos]

Great stuff! Fun fact I didn’t actually draft any of the three guys I ended up with - that’s the beauty of ZeroG at work! Just recorded my goalie video for this year yesterday coming out this weekend goalies must be on the collective fantasy hockey mind haha 😂

[@Vonzuli]

This is great content as per usual. Only thing I would mention is maybe reconsider the tandem part of the Zero G strat. One of your tandem picks may outpace the other, which generally means that 1 of your picks ends up being sub optimal or they could end up sharing the net and you end up holding one or both of them longer than you should cause you feel handcuffed to the tandem. You also end up with less goalie games played overall, which can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on how you look at it.

[@datadraft371]

I hear you on that, for sure. You don't have to go tandem but I think the emphasis is on a good defensive team

[@ktowniecity7269]

Exactly there are too many examples of variance. I remember in Christobel Huet had a .925 save % in 37 games in 2006 whereas his tandem partner was Theodore at .898 in 38 games.

[@oliviercharron1247]

Alright, you convinced me - i'm going with the Zero G strategy - 14 players league and drafting 2nd

[@DusterBuglas]

I’d target the Utah tandem late.

[@jonnydlive7848]

I’ve had 2 straight seasons finishing 3rd and 2nd listening to his advice and using his patreon stats. 10 man league but I was finishing 8-10 before I actually changed my strategy

[@enag7]

A little late catching this, but I'm still not sold on fading goalies, even to the degree of the second strategy. I can see the value in a points league, but the roster flexibility and safety of a consistent top guy for cats leagues is so valuable, especially if you can get one of the 60+ start guys. In my 20 team league that means you only need the one goalie so you free up a whole extra bench slot vs managers that have to run 2 all year. But even in smaller leagues you free up a lot of adds for streaming players for your roster. Plus no matter the league size, there are very few players you can draft that can win you 2-4 cats in a week alone. And if we look at the drafts from the Dman strategy video half of them took a goalie by pick 31 and ended up top 3 in their leagues so clearly there is room for taking a top goalie early to work. I think ADP vs end rank is also just a bad way to measure success, I feel like it works well for skaters, but looking at the goalies by order taken makes more sense to me than using whatever Yahoo does to bake them into the same ranking as skaters. Also, as an aside, we have to stop thinking of Boston as a good defence team. Ullmark is going to a better defensive team. Either way, still lots of good insight in here, even if I don't agree with the conclusions.

[@oliverphilipp8523]

You’re the man!!!!!

[@darylm1072]

Feeling better after taking Ingram and Gustavsson in my ZeroG! 😮‍💨

[@tommytangle3392]

You didnt touch on Markstrom. Curious what you think of him...his adp isnt absurd and there is a lot to like about him and the devils--pretty good back-end on paper. Specially with Lindy Ruff out (very offensive bias) too. You could use one of your last draft picks for Jake Allen and secure the tandem. You could play out the first few weeks of the season and gauge how they look under Keefe.... I had similar thoughts too if Demko falls in your lap then you could could scoop Silovs late.

[@datadraft371]

Markstrom is kind of all over the map. When he has a really good defense in front of him (Daryl Sutter Calgary Teams) he can rack up shutouts and become a Vezina candidate, If he doesn't he's unpredictable. He should have a good defense this year, Keefe had a pretty good system in Toronto and the Devils have more to work with on the back end. I expect him to get over drafted this year based on the narrative of the Devils being a huge bounceback team. If that's not the case and he falls in ADP he'd definitely be a target. Right now he's at 60ish ADP which should be decent value

[@shakeypudding6563]

Excellent work. Thoughts on UPL and Kuemper. LA plays such a sound defensive system that goalie always do well there…look at Talbot.

[@andr3wbrowyn]

Oh man, I had Tage last year too - glad I'm not alone in THAT misery.

[@williamgeorge-thomas4487]

in 14 man drafts I've routinely targeted 6K, Accord, Jarry in the 10-14th rounds and team comes out 🔥

[@RownPop]

Always love your contents, thanks! Got a question for you: I’m in a league with W, SV, GAA, and SV% as cats but with only 2 BN spots and 3 weekly pick ups. I feel like tandem is not going to provide enough volume at times, and allocating 1 of 3 pick ups to stream goalies each week may be too expensive. Curious if you’d feel the same way under same league settings? And in this case, would you target a bonafide starter like you mentioned for 4-9th draft positions to work around this setting? Thanks!

[@Josh-fo5oy]

In a league with wins gaa sv% saves and shutouts when would you take your goalies? And perhaps who could be available ?

[@Chadilac34]

I’m in 10-12 team points leagues where goalie volume is the most important: W 5 , Saves 0.5, GA -2, SO 5 Zero G is becoming popular in the league which is resulting in the elite guys dropping below their ADP’s and lots of teams targeting the sleepers/underrated tendies. If the elite goalies are still available in the 40+ pick range, could it be a smart play to let the draft dictate my strategy and take the Igor/Helly/Saros plays if available in the 4th/5th round?

[@watermelon2931]

Thought in Montembeault? Looks to be the starter

[@carsNcards]

Daccord, UPL and Woll.....Hopefully we can snag them in rounds 11-13ish.

[@ktowniecity7269]

Or just take Levi, Grubauer and Vladar on the waiver wire. Every year ppl overthink goalies and play favourites. All those guys you mentioned were available on the wire last season. The difference is so tiny that the draft picks arent worth it, just play the first week matchup with sabres and devils players, youll get more production than that goalie differential.

[@christophaugustin7129]

What would your strategy be in a 17-team points league? The problem is that you have to reach a total of 164 goalie appearances, and if you wait too long and don't get a starter, you might end up needing to have 5 goalies on your roster. I am picking at 15!

[@alexrobichaud236]

I'm in an 18 team league. I absolutely need to take a goalie in 2nd round because goalies go out very quick.

[@lawrencesaddleback1123]

Yes. He based this off smaller league average. Most hardcore pools have 16-24 people.

[@killerreef7397]

What do you think of an Andersen/Kochetkov stack in a category league? I do feel like it’s risky given that Andersen is never healthy

[@JohnpenninoVO]

Picked up Dustin Wolf with my last pick. What are t'alls thoughts on his potential this season?

[@HFynn268]

Will you be updating the 22/23 player hub, goalie hub, etc on patreon?

[@datadraft371]

I'm not updating the old ones but there are new ones for this season

[@alextucker4464]

How do you feel about Anderson+Koch stack?

[@datadraft371]

Should work out, just wonder about the state of their blue line after losing pesce and bringing in ghost and walker

[@KDial]

Excellent! Regarding playing behind a good defense. I started doing that about 15+ years ago when Lemaire coached at Minnesota. But I wish that you would address this; I take into account what percentage the Goalie stats account for in your scoring. In most of my leagues they are over 35%, which is over 1/3 of total fantasy scoring. In the past 10 years people do not seem to take this into account, and this is a huge chunk of your scoring. What's your opinion on this?

[@datadraft371]

I definitely think that percentage matters in cats leagues which is why I had the other strategy where you take the last elite g1. I can't justify fading goalies when they're 40% of my scoring per week. In a points league I think it's less important and you can fade goalies

[@ktowniecity7269]

goalies should be treated like kickers in fantasy football. every year they fluctuate so much. just dont draft them. the only value play seems to be Vasilevskiy in rounds 4-5 in 12 TM when hes always been a tp 2 round goalies and is in the same stratosphere as Helle and Shesterkin

[@mcthunderstick2374]

What do you think about not drafting a goalie at all, and micromanaging your team to fill in extra forward/D spots with what would be goalies?

[@datadraft371]

I think that's a bit extreme, it would only theoretically work in points leagues and even then you'd have to make up whatever your goalies would normally put up nightly with some form of schedule manipulation and you only have a limited number of skater spots open per day

[@mcthunderstick2374]

@@datadraft371 I built a spreadsheet for each week and I’ve been comparing running 2 goalies vs swapping out the goalies for 1 D and 1 Forward. My league gets 4 swaps per week and has shots, hits and blocks. I’ve noticed that on average by micromanaging my weekly schedules with streamers (10 man league so a fair amount of talent left FA) I can increase my number of actually played games per night, since goalies tend to only have 2/3 starts per week. I’m just curious how this would stack up points wise to streaming bottom tier goalies. My league runs 5W -3GA 5SO and 0.6Sv, so goalies can be lucrative but also hurt if they get slapped around in a game. I guess my point is more, I feel like I can effectively manage my schedule each week to reduce the inconsistent nature of goaltenders with top 6 forwards and maybe drafting defencemen a bit higher than usual to ensure higher performance from defencemen. No real need to respond to all this, just figured I’d share my oddball strategy since you love analyzing this stuff so much and do an excellent job at it. I should also mention my player points are 6G 4A 2+- 2PPP 0.9(shot hit block)

[@МихаилБалаев-ц6е]

What's that website where you can check out your fantasy performance?

[@datadraft371]

On yahoo it's Overview > Profile > Fantasy Hockey

[@habinations]

wooo

[@DusterBuglas]

Thoughts on Markstrom?

[@datadraft371]

Markstrom is kind of all over the map. When he has a really good defense in front of him (Daryl Sutter Calgary Teams) he can rack up shutouts and become a Vezina candidate, If he doesn't he's unpredictable. He should have a good defense this year, Keefe had a pretty good system in Toronto and the Devils have more to work with on the back end. I expect him to get over drafted this year based on the narrative of the Devils being a huge bounceback team. If that's not the case and he falls in ADP he'd definitely be a target. Right now he's at 60ish ADP which should be decent value

[@Michael_RareZebra]

I recognize your voice - is that you who also does draft prospects overviews?

[@datadraft371]

I'm not, the guy I watch for prospects is Scouching or something but this is the only yt I do

[@Michael_RareZebra]

@@datadraft371Haha I thought you were the same guy on NHL Draft Pros. In any case, excellent work. Subbed.

[@matthewminogue3276]

I chosed my 2 goalies early and ended up with Igor Shesterkin and Ilya Sorokin

[@epicphailure88]

Won't Wallstadt bump out one of Fleury or Gustavsson this season?

[@datadraft371]

Not necessarily. He's AHL eligible and neither of the other two are without going through waivers

[@TroyNoak47]

Does Sorokin’s offseason back surgery concern you?

[@datadraft371]

No, Vasy didn't look great last year after surgery but I think that's because he rushed back and maybe played too soon, Sorokin has had plenty of time to heal and train

[@williamford9564]

12:50: If you are in the middle of the draft, it is your turn and two of goalies are left, would have to make a judgement as to whether both of them may go before your next turn? That may mean jumping a little bit earlier. Or is take a skater and then OK, if both goalies are gone, I take the best option in next tier below "Elite"?

[@addisonmoir]

Do I drop storlaz for desmith he’s 1 mil and one game 7 points but he has only played 1 game

[@datadraft371]

I wouldn't, I would ride Stolarz as long as Woll is out

[@addisonmoir]

@@datadraft371 Oh okay thank you

[@addisonmoir]

@ what dylan Larkin for Jared mcman

[@biffstrong1079]

Bobrovsky does scare me, especially if he has been holding it together while winning a cup. Seems a prime candidate for regression and two years ago they needed Alex Lyon in the regular season to make the playoffs. I like Ullmark. But yes going from a playoff team to non playoff team. I think Swayman if forced to play 55-60 games is going to be worse, though his wins and shut-outs would come up. Swayman has to sign though. Grubauer has been terrible in Seattle who along with carolina has been one of the best defensive teams in the league. That $5.9 million cap hit for three more years is as bad as Gibson's.

[@michaelpaul1243]

Where in NYC are you - I need to buy you a drink

[@datadraft371]

Like I could afford to live in the city 🤣 I'd take the drink though, talk hockey n shit

[@michaelpaul1243]

@@datadraft371 anytime brother!!

[@michaelpaul1243]

@@datadraft371 anytime brother!!

[@ktowniecity7269]

Washington is definitely not a good defensive team and Chychrun is an offensive defenceman that is lost in his own end as the -30 can explain in OTTAWA. I wouldnt reach on Lindgren/Thompson. You'll find the same caliber on the waiver wire. Guys like Wallstedt, Levi, Knight could all be very good. Just wait on goalies.

[@datadraft371]

They had a relatively low team GA, Kuemper sucked and they were hemmed in their own zone because their offense was Terrible. Roy is solid defensively, I'll concede all your points on chychrun and not reaching for them

[@MikaHakkinen83]

Sorokin had a back surgery.