'24 Mathews LIFT: Our MOST In-depth Bow Build

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ElkShape

ElkShape

Күн бұрын

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@joshuastemrich2024
@joshuastemrich2024 Жыл бұрын
Justin is the man. Heard him on your pod years ago. Randomly met him when he worked at Sportsman’s Warehouse. Saw him working with Dirk on a mouth tab setup at his own shop. I started taking my bow to him at that shop. Now I travel from Orofino to Spokane Valley for him to work on my stuff. Hopefully he doesn’t move to Antarctica or I’ll be taking my bow there. I trust him inherently.
@ElkShape
@ElkShape Жыл бұрын
The dude is meticulous 👌
@tannerk45
@tannerk45 Жыл бұрын
Need more of Justin on here...one of my favorite videos you have put out!
@richardmacias624
@richardmacias624 Жыл бұрын
Wow, a video where top hats are actually explained? Good job ElkShape.
@CODIAK13
@CODIAK13 Жыл бұрын
I wish Boise had a shop that had guys like this that cared this much about bow setup! I’m a big believer that nobody cares about your stuff as you do, and I’m tempted to just start doing my own builds. But man there is a lot to learn!
@richardganz9318
@richardganz9318 Жыл бұрын
Glade you add the post filming note about the peep , big plus Mathew building high end strings
@ElkShape
@ElkShape Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! -DS
@Jnoons2117
@Jnoons2117 Жыл бұрын
The information shared in this vid is gold! Always great content, thanks for sharing the knowledge that justin has acquired over all these year. Keep up the great work, God bless. Really enjoyed you and Cam on his Keep Hammering podcast. Good stuff
@shawnhall-xj8jr
@shawnhall-xj8jr Жыл бұрын
My man, this is LEGIT!!! I’ve geeked out on this build, thank you so much for the attention to detail. Mathew’s is about to get more of my hard earned money. Blue collar guy spending white collar money.
@livingadreamlife1428
@livingadreamlife1428 Жыл бұрын
As my GrandPa used to tell me, “You’ve got a Champagne taste and a beer budget.”
@BespokeCarpentry
@BespokeCarpentry 2 ай бұрын
Blue collar guy spending white collar money. Hit the nail on the head.
@tsnellyville
@tsnellyville Жыл бұрын
Justin is a solid dude! So happy to have that guy at SVA.
@ElkShape
@ElkShape Жыл бұрын
He's amazing! A true bow tuning gangster! -DS
@MrKbaz
@MrKbaz Жыл бұрын
One of your best videos. Thanks for the detail and asking clarifying questions. It helps a ton for us trying to learn.
@JamesVanGriff
@JamesVanGriff Жыл бұрын
Loved the tip with using the press to fine tune versus just the draw board clicks. Awesome info!!
@ElkShape
@ElkShape Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@jeffgenchi5863
@jeffgenchi5863 10 ай бұрын
Not enough bow to replace my V3X. I mean it is a great bow. However, not being sponsored I have to stick with a bow I know really well and works perfectly. In the future I plan to get a new bow but the lift just does not sell me on the upgrades. I just shot the lift at my pro shop. Though nice, I personally did not notice enough change.
@superkool7
@superkool7 4 ай бұрын
STILL love my V3X bro! But no denying, as a Mathews man through and through, this thing is a beaut
@iiTz--Bo
@iiTz--Bo 20 күн бұрын
Question. New to Bowhunting/archery and my question is should I buy this high end of a bow just because I can or is there a better set up for my experience cheaper ?
@jeffgenchi5863
@jeffgenchi5863 20 күн бұрын
@@iiTz--Bo I bought a used flagship first and then bought a new flag ship. The quality is just so much better. I was new as well
@iiTz--Bo
@iiTz--Bo 18 күн бұрын
@@jeffgenchi5863 where a good reference is to get a used one?
@millerbrosmediaoffgridflyf7767
@millerbrosmediaoffgridflyf7767 Жыл бұрын
This video is loaded with gold, appreciate you man!
@ElkShape
@ElkShape Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! -DS
@billymcmillen202
@billymcmillen202 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video!!! Love how in depth you went on your bow build and Justin definitely knows a thing or two about bows. Wish I was closer, I’d buy one from him just to have him set it up for me. Hope your hunt went well!
@randyconner6153
@randyconner6153 4 ай бұрын
Dan from good ole Missouri here watch all of your alls videos non stop thanks for all the dope videos. Tell me more about this skateboard tape please.
@randyconner6153
@randyconner6153 4 ай бұрын
On your grip
@Uncle.Mike.
@Uncle.Mike. Жыл бұрын
Dan, Justin, thank you! This video was so in depth, my gears are turning!
@adamvisser9815
@adamvisser9815 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the information! I will be checking out that website thanks again!
@CMac0517
@CMac0517 11 ай бұрын
Awesome video! I love all the tips . Thank you!
@BespokeCarpentry
@BespokeCarpentry 2 ай бұрын
Dude.. I learned so much from this. Thank you
@drd7525
@drd7525 Жыл бұрын
Justin had some nice tips that I haven't seen on YT before. He may be quiet, but he sent it.
@wyrnutz
@wyrnutz Жыл бұрын
Great video, Hard no on the AAE wedge. Just serve it.
@tomkovacik131
@tomkovacik131 Жыл бұрын
Excellent step-up detail, thank you! I truly appreciate the material detail/highlights. Only thing I didn’t see was the D-loop material used! Thanks again, keep up the good work!!
@ElkShape
@ElkShape Жыл бұрын
Right on - BCY 24 Loop Material! -DS
@geoffmcdaniel7082
@geoffmcdaniel7082 5 ай бұрын
You guys do an amazing job, I love watching these build videos even though every item you put put on that bow is lightyears out of my price range except maybe the serving string LOL. Although my 16 year old bow is really starting to show wear and tear and replacement parts are becoming hard to find. Sweet bow I hope you have tons of success with it!
@10flyingdutchman
@10flyingdutchman Жыл бұрын
Great video! Justin has a wealth of knowledge!
@ElkShape
@ElkShape Жыл бұрын
He's a sharp cookie! -DS
@Thedudeabides803
@Thedudeabides803 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been waiting for something to replace my Halon 32. This is it.
@BassBucksOutdoors
@BassBucksOutdoors Жыл бұрын
I think you’re making the right choice. Nothing absolutely mind blowing with the vxr, v3, v3x, or the phase 4. But this bow is incredible to hold and shoot. Definitely will be a good time to upgrade! I got to shoot one yesterday and mine should be in Monday!
@Thedudeabides803
@Thedudeabides803 Жыл бұрын
Nice! Being a lefty I hope my local shop will have one to try.
@BassBucksOutdoors
@BassBucksOutdoors Жыл бұрын
@@Thedudeabides803 dang! Yes hopefully they get one soon!
@wapiti4680
@wapiti4680 10 ай бұрын
I agree. I'm in the same boat... Monster lineage... Fast bow but with an inch and a half more brace height! Big improvement
@papaschuette
@papaschuette Жыл бұрын
Hey Brother. Awesome video. I did learn some things, so you did a helluva job explaining things. I so need a Mathews bow in my life.
@Natedawg770
@Natedawg770 Жыл бұрын
Love the stuff man! Im 15 and don't have the money for a decent bow but I love getting the info!!!
@ElkShape
@ElkShape Жыл бұрын
Knowledge is power! Thanks for watching lil homie! -DS
@elktough777
@elktough777 Жыл бұрын
Good idea with that grip tape. Lots of good nuggets in there
@michaelc1839
@michaelc1839 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for all you do for us. You, MFJJ, Tim and the crew. I only wish we had this amount of passion in bow hunting and archery here in Australia.
@kenraterink
@kenraterink Жыл бұрын
Tim?
@michaelc1839
@michaelc1839 Жыл бұрын
@kenraterink yes. Tim. The lad that learnt everything from them and also shares his knowledge.
@kenraterink
@kenraterink Жыл бұрын
@michaelc1839 ah the Tim not on this Chanel then?
@michaelc1839
@michaelc1839 Жыл бұрын
@@kenraterink mfjj ain't on this channel either. What's the point you are trying to make? All I did was show some appreciation to all of them.
@kenraterink
@kenraterink Жыл бұрын
@michaelc1839 Josh is definitely on still. They just did broadhead review video a week ago.. my point is Tim is not part of the "crew" he left to do his own thing
@TheGuitarmaniac10
@TheGuitarmaniac10 Жыл бұрын
Hey Dan love the video! What's your opinion on the bridge-lock stabilizers? How does it compare to your AAE stabilizers?
@helodriver20
@helodriver20 Жыл бұрын
Once again, another outstanding video Dan. BZ. 🦌❤️⚔️🇺🇸
@johnmclaren1666
@johnmclaren1666 Жыл бұрын
Great video! I learned a couple new hacks from Justin.
@mattlarson9010
@mattlarson9010 Жыл бұрын
Sweet bow! My question is on timing the bow with a cable driven rest. If you were to have to adjust the down cable, what would you do to keep from twisting the cord from the rest? Just disconnect from the rest and reset it once the bow is timed?
@jasondavis1911
@jasondavis1911 Жыл бұрын
Yes just pop the cord out of the cable before doing any twisting…If not your gonna wrap the cord around your cable.
@JSandeford
@JSandeford Жыл бұрын
What grain arrow was used in this video?
@tford87
@tford87 7 ай бұрын
I may have missed it but after deciding peep location with d-loop already on, if peep was not coming straight back you would twist string and rotate dloop on string to line up ? Newbie here with no good shop close so thanks for these vids !!
@matthewholmes8638
@matthewholmes8638 13 күн бұрын
How come you dont papertune with the stabilizers on and whatever other accessories for hunting?
@JJ-tf2qs
@JJ-tf2qs Жыл бұрын
Hi Dan, Not sure if I missed it in another video or not but was just curious on which Matthew's bow you like best over the past 4 years? Thank you
@oldpapawwithastrat9384
@oldpapawwithastrat9384 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Excellent info. Thanks.
@ElkShape
@ElkShape Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@billyking3067
@billyking3067 9 ай бұрын
@Elkshape does the ultra view compare to the landslyde you're running on the target bow
@aronpitre7836
@aronpitre7836 Жыл бұрын
That guy is a bow wizard.
@heathspencer7418
@heathspencer7418 10 ай бұрын
@dan why did you choose the 29 vs the 33? is it because of draw length / arrow speed?
@blessedvetoutdoors
@blessedvetoutdoors Жыл бұрын
Great video Dan. Congrats brother.
@joshuadiaz9256
@joshuadiaz9256 Жыл бұрын
Which wrist sling is that? I’m really digging the small sling and want to ditch my bigger bulky one.
@mattredford5137
@mattredford5137 9 ай бұрын
Do you have video of how the nose button was tied in? It would be cool to be able to watch it from start to finish
@brianwebster9450
@brianwebster9450 Жыл бұрын
Dan, on the stabilizer kit can you run the side bar mount off the front of the riser behind the front stabilizer as i dont have the lower mount on my mach one, but would like to run the kit. If MFJJ wants to chime in as i know that he has some great ideas as well.
@juanrodriguez-mu7ko
@juanrodriguez-mu7ko 8 ай бұрын
Awesome video love to learn on your channel.
@travissperry6370
@travissperry6370 8 ай бұрын
What spine are you shooting Dan did I miss it? I just bought the lift 33 80lb mods shooting 300 air strikes at 28”. Some people are saying that it is under spined.
@scottowens9035
@scottowens9035 Жыл бұрын
Dan, where can I get a wedge like the one in video for QAD?
@brianwebb9121
@brianwebb9121 24 күн бұрын
I ask this question as a learning question. Isn't that overkill to worry about a half twist on string by burning in a half piece of bow serving material when you haven't even broken in the string and cables yet from shooting a hundred shots. I'm not a string expert but wouldn't shooting stretch the string and break it in enough that one twist would would eventually need to be done later anyway? Please explain if I am wrong and why so I can learn more please.
@alcatron444
@alcatron444 Жыл бұрын
Great video, I'm sure that Justin and you are aware of this but just for your viewer's sake I want to point out a fatal flaw that I see quite often. The entirety of the tuning process was done without the peep sight installed. Peep sights certainly change the nocking point height as you're spreading the string. Timing can become an issue as well. As shown, there was a piece of loop material that was hollowed out to make an adjustment in the cable, great tip and I do this as well. To think that the giant peep spreading the string won't have a similar effect is something that needs to be pointed out if people are going to follow this for their own setup process. Peep should be in the bow before nock height, timing, and paper tuning. It does affect it.
@juancordero828
@juancordero828 Жыл бұрын
Love your videos ❤
@johncannady6105
@johncannady6105 Жыл бұрын
Good setup video! Question: Are you having to run your cock vane orientation slightly canted to the 1 o'clock position in order to clear the cable guard? In the V3X/P4 versions that was necessary when using a high profile vane over .50" tall like a Blazer, AAE Hybrid HP, etc. Thanks!
@AtotheK17
@AtotheK17 6 ай бұрын
What wrist sling are you using?
@topmodstv3682
@topmodstv3682 9 ай бұрын
Just so we’re clear, he set the nock point so the arrow was perfectly level when the rest is all the way up? My phase 4 is super nock high from the shop I got it from
@jac919
@jac919 Жыл бұрын
I like these types of videos. Good job, keep up the good work.
@ElkShape
@ElkShape Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! -DS
@eliaspuebla9015
@eliaspuebla9015 Жыл бұрын
Solid nuggets of information
@itzmemagick8397
@itzmemagick8397 Жыл бұрын
Always wondered what the best distance to paper tune was. Thoughts?
@wayneswendsen8310
@wayneswendsen8310 Жыл бұрын
Another great video, with some nuggets of wisdom sprinkled in. You said the Lift is 19fps than you're Phase 4. Did your Phase 4 have 80lb limbs?
@drewolm
@drewolm Жыл бұрын
Im not a elkshape guy, I'm currently answering this question while eating a huge plate of spaghetti. But, the phase 4 was not available is 80 last year, only 75.
@DJHunt89
@DJHunt89 Жыл бұрын
Very informative video.
@1koadog
@1koadog Жыл бұрын
truly one of the best set-ups I've seen , I'm ready to attack my own , thanks dude
@JessieJohnson-h2m
@JessieJohnson-h2m 6 ай бұрын
What's the lowest draw weight you can safely turn the 29.5 down to with 55lb mods ?
@Archerypunk89
@Archerypunk89 Жыл бұрын
I see you went with the UV over the Canyon Pounder. What was ultimately the reasons for choosing the UV over the Canyon Pounder?
@ElkShape
@ElkShape Жыл бұрын
Video coming soon! -DS
@josephhenderson7044
@josephhenderson7044 5 ай бұрын
What grip ar you using on your lift?
@Orr_s
@Orr_s Жыл бұрын
Did you have to bump up in spine at all for the 80lb mods?? Im right on the cusp now and im hoping my new strings dont make me under spined. Im shooting VAP SS 300. 165 total up front with insert point and collar. At 29.5” draw 72lbs, round 15.8% FOC, got lucky there. Looked like your arrow was little longer even than usual. Love these vids. Ill have a nice bow shop man cave some day
@bmoss009
@bmoss009 Жыл бұрын
What strings are you running?
@DavidBowCrazyBabyak86
@DavidBowCrazyBabyak86 Жыл бұрын
Is there a reason why you don't just run it through the middle of the of the string that you're putting that wedge through? That's how they did it on my bow from my bow shop. It's just kind of pushed through I think and then maybe tied. I'm not at home right now or I'd look but I think it's just tied off on the other side or maybe served but wouldn't that save on weight and stuff or am I missing something?
@christopherhyde_06
@christopherhyde_06 Жыл бұрын
Is there any value in paper tuning with a bare shaft vs how you did setting up this bow? I’m assuming with all your knowledge and knowledge you have access to no? Any insight is appreciated.
@GoneHuntinbutlerfarmoutdoors
@GoneHuntinbutlerfarmoutdoors 2 ай бұрын
The way he ties his D- loop is much better than the way Josh ties his!
@jacobwisniewski9226
@jacobwisniewski9226 Жыл бұрын
Dan! Where can I get your purple release??
@austinsonger388
@austinsonger388 Жыл бұрын
DS. Whatbdoes it typically cost to have these guys tune your set ups?? Im in Washington and willing to drive a few hours to get a real tune. The shops near me unfortunately are not this meticulous!!
@biscuitoutdoors8351
@biscuitoutdoors8351 Жыл бұрын
What arrows are you running? I’m a 26” draw and shooting 80 pounds on my Ventum 33 and was only getting 277 out of my rig.
@danielcowell8346
@danielcowell8346 Жыл бұрын
They appear to be victory rip tkos.
@leeculpepper2368
@leeculpepper2368 Жыл бұрын
Great video Dan! What Nose Button are you using?
@bchase1980
@bchase1980 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video 👍🇺🇸
@juanrodriguez-mu7ko
@juanrodriguez-mu7ko 8 ай бұрын
Separation is in preparation!!!
@juanvelasco804
@juanvelasco804 8 ай бұрын
I shoot a Mathews v3 27 but man I like this lift. Haven’t shot one yet.
@buckallison7279
@buckallison7279 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Dan great video. I believe Mathews made the biggest jump this year. Also a shorter draw took me to rx7 80 limbs. This system will be better for me. Also draw cycle is not harsh on this bow. Yes i am going to buy it.
@baileysulzer6846
@baileysulzer6846 Жыл бұрын
Is that the 29.5” or the 33”?
@colearmstrong2450
@colearmstrong2450 Жыл бұрын
He said 29.5”
@michaelficarro2591
@michaelficarro2591 Жыл бұрын
Dans too short for the 33, the bottom cam would drag on the ground.....
@ElkShape
@ElkShape Жыл бұрын
My draw length at 27 puts me at the most efficiency with the 29.5! -DS
@MrGrey-vo2og
@MrGrey-vo2og Жыл бұрын
so you have a video or more info on Ata for shorter draws, I'm 27.5
@2scoopsmoose
@2scoopsmoose Жыл бұрын
When you are at full draw where does your arrow end. How short can you safely do that? I noticed my arrow is poking out past the riser a fair ways
@mikestackz854
@mikestackz854 Жыл бұрын
Arrows should be 1 inch longer than your draw
@2scoopsmoose
@2scoopsmoose Жыл бұрын
@@mikestackz854 thank you!! Much appreciated!
@steveaustin1820
@steveaustin1820 Жыл бұрын
Why not use a bridge lock stabiliser?
@jackson1053
@jackson1053 11 ай бұрын
What is that wrist sling?
@landonzimmerman5431
@landonzimmerman5431 Жыл бұрын
When will your stabilizer kit be back in stock???
@ElkShape
@ElkShape Жыл бұрын
Any day now.
@landonzimmerman5431
@landonzimmerman5431 Жыл бұрын
@@ElkShape Mathews get mad you don’t shoot the bridge lock bars? I’d rather buy your whole kit for the same price as one of the bridgelock stabilizers…
@aimtrue9152
@aimtrue9152 Жыл бұрын
I wonder how much my phase 4 is worth if I would xchange?
@carsonyoung2873
@carsonyoung2873 3 ай бұрын
Anyone know what release he’s using?
@zacharyneef6375
@zacharyneef6375 Жыл бұрын
Could you tell me what you used for your wrist strap?
@ElkShape
@ElkShape Жыл бұрын
Paracord 550 -DS
@zacharyneef6375
@zacharyneef6375 Жыл бұрын
@ElkShape ok thank you! I don't Carr for the thick wrist slings! So this looks like a good substitute! Ps. I love ur channel it's by far my favorite when it come to archery! Keep it up man!
@jamieshelton3570
@jamieshelton3570 11 ай бұрын
Due you run your draw length mods or 1/2 in shorter mods, heard mathews draw 1/2 longer on their mods
@scottowens9035
@scottowens9035 Жыл бұрын
What is he using to lubricate to the D loop and Nock ties?
@Muskiehunter92
@Muskiehunter92 Жыл бұрын
Nothing it seems. Its not really necessary. Ive never used it. I've always just used 18-20 thou powergrip on nock points and bcy 23 d loop. Its slimmer d loop material than the 24 but has a coating making it more durable. Its ends dont burn as well as the 24, but with practice you can get them burned down fine. Dont use the 23 if you have front closing release calipers though. Theres many many ways and methods to set up a bow. Everyone has their own nuances. No single person does it the "correct way" as there are many correct ways.
@brockpeck7073
@brockpeck7073 Жыл бұрын
I think it's bees wax
@ElkShape
@ElkShape Жыл бұрын
Bee's Wax! We use it on the soft knots and peep tie in as well! -DS
@huntsimple9527
@huntsimple9527 Жыл бұрын
I watched people shooting the LIFT at an archery shop. There was a guy shooting a Phase 4 near them. The Phase 4 sure sounded more quiet than the LIFT did. The LIFT they were shooting was all decked out with a stabilizer, etc. ( I think it was the factory demo setup sent to the dealer, fully equipped). The Phase 4 was equipped similar and it was easily more quiet. Also, the guy shooting the LIFT said the draw cycle was very heavy at the front end of the cycle. Very interesting! I have not shot one, just sharing what I have seen so far. My dealer said all of the LIFTs so far have come in really heavy in terms of draw weight. With a 70# mod they are drawing close to 75 lbs, etc. Another interesting point.
@mikestackz854
@mikestackz854 Жыл бұрын
Phase 4 is slower, that’s why it’s more quiet
@huntsimple9527
@huntsimple9527 Жыл бұрын
Ah, right on. That is amazing that 7 FPS makes a bow so much louder and/or quieter. Wow. Thank you.@@mikestackz854
@mikestackz854
@mikestackz854 Жыл бұрын
@@huntsimple9527 you’re welcome maybe use common sense next time, mr80iq
@huntsimple9527
@huntsimple9527 Жыл бұрын
Ah, actually I was being sarcastic. 7 FPS on 330 FPS is 2% change in velocity. For such a minuscule change in velocity on a percentage basis it is not the velocity that is making the LIFT louder, it is just a louder platform than the Phase 4. Maybe next time you use some common sense and don't be such a dick with your ignorant comments. @@mikestackz854
@DeltMarines
@DeltMarines Жыл бұрын
Anyone know what release he is shooting
@EpiiKSiiNz
@EpiiKSiiNz Жыл бұрын
can you or someone who sees this link the skateboard tape you mentioned ?
@heathatkinson9491
@heathatkinson9491 Жыл бұрын
are you running full 80 lb this season dan
@ElkShape
@ElkShape Жыл бұрын
YEP
@VOODOOREIGN1
@VOODOOREIGN1 Жыл бұрын
So you need to buy a new ingage limb legs for new bow?
@ElkShape
@ElkShape Жыл бұрын
EXO leg limbs for specific to the LIFT. -DS
@VOODOOREIGN1
@VOODOOREIGN1 Жыл бұрын
@@ElkShape Thanks 😊
@Steve-ke7rz
@Steve-ke7rz 8 ай бұрын
It would be cool to shoot with yall..I just got done building an obsession fx7 and this bow is fast and quite..I live in cda so I am looking forward to the Farragut 3d shoot
@fishingwithphil2582
@fishingwithphil2582 Жыл бұрын
Dude I didn’t even know you could move the string stop 😯
@ashleywatt8514
@ashleywatt8514 9 ай бұрын
Is that your kitchen the tiler stuff up the brick bond on the right side of the windows I'm a tiler and it annoyed me
@mxracr11
@mxracr11 Жыл бұрын
This guy needs to tune my bows
@EthanPageHunter
@EthanPageHunter Жыл бұрын
This may sound counter intuitive to some... but a touch nock high is often as good or better than 0 out and especially better than nock low. More consistent direction of travel in the arrow allowing for some minor variables. But like this tech said its very very slight!
@ElkShape
@ElkShape Жыл бұрын
NOTED! -DS
@stevied721
@stevied721 Жыл бұрын
Dan, I recently saw a video that you switched to shooting left handed due to eye dominance. Why did you go back to shooting right handed???
@robertsprehe
@robertsprehe Жыл бұрын
great video....a little dark though. hard to really see detail of the build
@josephfolsom2030
@josephfolsom2030 10 ай бұрын
When someone orders a bow, let’s say a Mathews Lift 33 do you go through the same process for everyone before they go out the door? Including changing the top hats to get correct arrow flight?
@noahmathewson8170
@noahmathewson8170 Жыл бұрын
Looks like they accidentally sent you Chris bees haha
@roman_goodwin_msk
@roman_goodwin_msk 8 ай бұрын
Hello! Do you have a right or left V-bar?
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