Texas A&M Upset By Appalachian State - Josh Pate Rapid Reaction (Late Kick Cut)

Appalachian State vs Texas A&M was a game off most radars when the sun rose on College Football's week two Saturday, but by the time it set College Station had been turned upside down after the Mountaineers stunned the Aggies 17-14 at Kyle Field. On Late Kick Live Ep 301 Josh Pate discussed the loss, what it means for each program, and what changes Jimbo Fisher needs to make to the Texas A&M program. With a tough stretch of games coming up, can the Aggies pull the nose up in time to salvage a good season? What does this say about the offense being run and adjustments not being made? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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[@JoshPateCFB]

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[@lannyseals2084]

Congrats App state y'all played one hell of a game have a team full of heart and fight in you

[@youtubecommentsectiondebates]

If A&M loses 4 or more games, the best recruiting class in college football might become the largest transfer portal exodus in college football

[@dmanwainright2132]

Didn't think of that, but, yep, great point

[@cuts25]

Oh it’s gonna happen . Those L’s are on there way

[@thequixoticangler3364]

Hadn't thought about that. That would be very interesting.

[@justinwalker6320]

Especially in terms of those receivers. 2 of them were top 3 in the nation in the 2022 class. Lots of teams would love to have them

[@kingkeltic4228]

@@justinwalker6320 They can come to Ohio State, WRU would love to have them.

[@litedawg]

Could you imagine if Iowa and AM played? It could go 0-0 for 3 days.

[@michaelmerck7576]

Fortunately there is a 60 minute limit to a game

[@jpm7764]

The game would probably end 2-0 in 4OT.

[@utahcanyon1000]

lol.

[@sethstine4698]

The over/under for that game would be 6.5 *with juice on the under*

[@sarahmccoy1941]

LOL

[@chaseellefson4726]

As an LSU fan, I've listened to this segment 8 times. Music to my ears. Hey Texas 8&4, I see your FSU and raise you an App State.

[@blakecallahan1134]

They might not go 8&4

[@marcmurphy5262]

Fsu is totally different than app state Fsu is a known brand three national championships five total times in the national title game the most winningest football team in the nation up until four years ago more bowl appearances than any other team up until four years ago 40 consecutive years of winning do not place Fsu in the same Conversation is app state

[@marcmurphy5262]

Just saying

[@chaseellefson4726]

@@marcmurphy5262 my point exactly

[@robertclark5874]

Oh Hey, can I borrow that gasoline when your done with it? This end of the TAMU dumpster looks a little dry. I remember the whispers of Jimbo to LSU years before Les was fired. Thank heavens that never happened!!

[@SoundFX09]

I've always felt like Appalachian State was a Dark Horse Team that could surprise people. The Question was WHAT Game they would prove themselves to be. They lost to North Carolina in a Scoring Frenzy, only to Be a Defensive BRICK WALL Against Texas A&M. All I have to say is... Well Done, App State! If They Win Out, who knows how much they can shake up the Rankings. But it is a BIG IF for App State, so Let's see what they can do in Conference Play.

[@johnmandock56]

I agree

[@MountainVisions]

A ready built app state got Eli Drinkwitz his SEC coaching job. That's a good program. Better than the coaches at it. Somehow it just chugs along.

[@CasperDaCat]

Look back at 2007. Biggest upset in college history 😂

[@duckbanks2195]

@@MountainVisions They had a coach that spent 30 years building the culture there. A lot of those guys are in one way or another still involved with the program.

[@jarocdidthisbeat]

Jimbo's current stint at Texas A&M reminds me of the disastrously Will Muschamp's experiment at Florida and So. Carolina.

[@YouTw1tFace]

and Texas

[@dmanwainright2132]

Was DC at Texas, they played for a natty

[@YouTw1tFace]

@@dmanwainright2132 yea you’re right. I thought he was the HC at one point. I forgot he moved on before he got it.

[@williamnicks2148]

As an App State alumnus, we won because we know what we are as a football team. We have an identity and we stick to it, in spite of having five offensive coordinators in five years. We run the ball and dare you to stop it. Texas A&M is trying to forge an identity despite coaching stability. Our culture won that game for us.

[@joebanks3698]

Forget all the high-falutin talk. Good coaching and good players won the game, period.

[@bradyparker4001]

As an A&M alum, I completely agree with this statement. No offensive identity since Jimbo has been there. Congrats to App St on a great win.

[@byrd7633]

A&M Hasn’t had a offensive identity since Manzel

[@lochnessmonster5149]

And Jimbo is the kind of coach that will lie during police questioning to keep his players out of the penitentiary and on the field.

[@livingadreamlife1428]

Jimbo’s old Offensive scheme is terrible. Elite high school WR’s and QB’s prospects have gone to A&M to die. They sign and you never hear from them again. Jimbo won at FSU because he had a great player in Jameis Winston. However, any scheme would have been successful with Jameis.

[@WarNvrChanges]

I remember telling an A&M fan right after they signed that “ best recruiting class in history” that it’s not just about signing the best, it’s about coaching them up and putting them in the best position to win as well or those guys won’t be sticking around very long. Especially in this new transfer portal era.

[@herecomesaregular8418]

In case it wasn't already known, it should be known by now: App State does not care who your team is or what they're ranked. They will play the game to the absolute hilt every time. I've never seen a Mountaineer game where they weren't playing like it was the last game ever.

[@joshking2163]

Go mountaineers!!

[@landongest8364]

The thing about Jimbo’s offense is he always gameplans for the level of competition he’s facing. Look at the plays he runs when we’re facing bama, Florida, Clemson, North Carolina, etc… and then look at the plays we run against app state, and literally any non conference game. Side note, game planning like that effects the way the way players play. Watch what we do next weekend against Miami, it probably is gonna look nothing close to the plays we were running last week.

[@AlphaDwg]

All that money spent on players and coaches. 10 million a year for a coach to call speed option when he dips in his “bag” 😂

[@cbeary2000]

Jimbo Fisher is the most overrated coach in the FBS today, and has been for over a decade. I'm flabbergasted how every year he underperforms and nobody (media especially) seems to realize that his bar is middle of the pack, not anywhere near playoff.

[@codyrockarano5220]

Man I was shocked when A&M hired him and people sounded optimistic lol the recruiting class hype never fooled me these guys just haven't looked good any of the years he has been there minus COVID year.

[@kentuckyfried9499]

This segment is one of the best segments in Late kick history if you ask me. Youre dropped facts here. I was telling somebody the other day if the wheels fall off there is a world where they go 4-8. That schedule is insane.

[@kentuckyfried9499]

I guess it resonates to me as a Georgia fan.

[@Synoopy2]

I love the breakdown you showed between 4-5 star recruits of both schools and the finances. It just shows you "thats why they play the game". On any given day there is a upset waiting to happen under the right curcumstances.

[@Topdog715]

I remember not long ago having discussions w/ Aggie fans as they teased me about LSU's Attrition issues. I remember as if it were yesterday telling them that they would find out when the season started how hard it is to be successful with that much talent. Everyone hates Coach Sanan but I'm most impressed with his he manages his players. A&M will find out how many players bolt to the Portal. Talent alone is not enough.

[@KnowTheRules69]

Now game day is headed to Boone for app state vs Troy this Saturday.

[@allenkincaid8414]

Hail merry

[@jamesm611]

Josh your the man. Wished you would have been at razorback game Saturday. Always watch your shows.

[@michaelbyrne8238]

Thanks to Jimbo you can reuse this thumbnail for every A&M game recap for the rest of the season. Saves y'all a bit of time.

[@codylauren]

Michigan fans...we understand Aggies, we understand and welcome to the club.

[@allenkincaid8414]

😂😂😂

[@schadowolf]

Outstanding analysis! Kudos to Appalachian State. I was stunned watching this game as well, glad I didn't bet on this one.

[@SuperSirianRigel]

The Sun Belt Conference deserves some major respect.

[@Carolinian4372]

I had great couple days. I went to Appalachian State and they were big underdogs and won. My high school who's games I never missed were 16 points underdogs and they won to go to 4-0. Go Mountaineers!! Go Yellow Jackets!!

[@evanwilliams9588]

Josh you actually get me to hit the like button by saying “Don’t leave yet! Don’t leave yet!” Well played sir.

[@RobertWardDavidson]

Longhorn fan here. My sincerest praise to the Sun Belt Conference!

[@deanbanks3392]

Way to go App State! Jimbo's seat is getting warmer.

[@lead5s]

im not from nc im from tn and i started liking app state years ago. i was stunned at how well they played saturday, that was one hell of a game.

[@realtree297]

And that’s the best part, app state was supposed to be a beat down team and was paid alot of cash to be that. Supposed win for a&m

[@charlie_5918]

I don’t understand how five stars on offense go to A&M

[@mrderp1292]

What a day for the Sun Belt Conference. Appalachian State beats Texas A&M, Marshall beats Note Dame, and Georgia Southern Bests Nebraska causing Scott Frost to lose his HC job. All 3 wins on the road.... All 3 SBC teams +15 point underdogs..... I think what we might be seeing here with this new NIL stuff is what you see in the NFL - kids get some money in their pocket and forget their job is to play hard on every down. Once they get that bag they just don't try as hard or care as much.

[@caryhocker]

Josh, after my son's college football experience was over (Texas A&M, btw) - I thought I'd lose interest in your show. But I continue to watch and love your product. Keep up the great work.

[@dmanwainright2132]

Josh Pate, th most insightful guy for the best sport in th world, College Football

[@robertpayne2717]

I'd like to see a college team come out and run something like we ran 50 years ago in my jr. High which was the notre dame short punt formation developed by Knute Rockne at Notre Dame in the 1930's We had 3 running backs and a blocking back/reciever with an unbalanced line to the right. We used line power and large strong backs to overpower most of our opponents.

[@WillowyLemur42]

To add to your point. Ohio State had a terrible defense last year, Ryan Day literally cleaned house. Fired many different defensive coordinators, and made a home run hire in Jim Knowles. OSU started as one of the best defenses in the country. Texas A&M's offense has struggled and he still won't change.

[@ronelite582]

That was an atrocious loss from Jimbo Fisher. If he is blown out by Miami next week ( which is highly possible) he should be immediately fired and get the Arkansas/Bret Bielima treatment, forcing him in a lawsuit for the remainder of his contract within the Texas state judicial system. He screwed AM, so they should return the favor.

[@Quawnn]

All i’m gonna say is, this weekend was a perfect example of why we should expand the playoff (I know it’s happening). Sun belt came to play and take peoples money.

[@timkinley1779]

I'd say the opposite. Notre Dame and A&M would be in according to an expanded field. Based on rankings. Alot of teams could do what App and Marshall did... obviously. Beating those two teams doesn't qualify as entry to the CFP. We get blowouts in a four-team field. Expansion is going to generate even more blowouts. How is that a good thing?

[@Decade_of_the_Dawg]

It wouldn't matter. The expanded teams will get blown out. Cincinnati is proof of that. It's a money grab and not a way for the top 12 to compete. I don't believe a team with 2-3 loses should even be considered when it's possible the top 4 11-1 or 12-0

[@Quawnn]

I see both of you completely missed the point.

[@timkinley1779]

@@Quawnn So what was the point? You think adding two Sun Belt teams is competitive? All this weekend did was add proof that A&M and ND were (preseason) ranked highly because of feelings.

[@Quawnn]

@@timkinley1779 nah man. The point is to fire back at the people who say the talent pool is the only thing that matters and that being their only reason for not expanding. I do agree, they were both overrated lol. But an expansion will have these types of games happening every year.

[@texasforever7887]

After a strange decade the world is finally starting to make sense again. Hookem'Horns 🤘

[@mikemccannlsu]

I can't wait to see how many hit the portal come December 1st.

[@vinb2935]

Kick out Missouri and add App St in the SEC

[@DanFlorio]

I'd like to see a change to eligibility rules and allow 6 years instead of 4 years with a redshirt option. I think that would be a simple way to bring more of a competitive balance to CF.

[@bert2754]

Jesus….JP said everything I was thinking about Jimbo. He’s right on the money about Jimbo not wanting to lose his grip of the offensive philosophy. If you pay attention to the way Saban runs things during the game i feel like he’s just over seeing everything but not necessarily directly involved. More like just holding his coordinators accountable. That’s what a head coach should be. But every offensive minded head coach is similar to Jimbo in how it’s their way or the highway when it comes to offense.

[@bishopsisemore5751]

i think its safe to say that michigan has finally recovered from losing to appalachian state back in 2007. texas a&m has recieved a lot of fallout from losing to them last saturday

[@rustymaximus9179]

Dale Jones from Cleveland, Tennessee is the defensive coordinator. A member of the 1985 SEC Champions UT Vols!

[@theknightswhosay]

Everyone in the ACC had Jimbo figured out before he even went to A&M.

[@veronicatoothpaste8576]

Honestly I was impressed with app states defense they showed they have a good offensive potential in the end of the unc game now a great defense I think they deserve 25 seed

[@KnowTheRules69]

The game stats 🤯 they dominated

[@johnmandock56]

Who cares we lost, Texas should be the Alabama too but they didn't what's the difference, Jimbo Fisher's a lousy coach and check this a&M's an average program look at what we've done over the last 30 40 years nothing

[@KnowTheRules69]

@@johnmandock56 believe me man. I’ve had my fair share of the jimbo years. It was rough. Besides 2013 we rarely dominated. Teams like Troy would compete with us. We either lost by a little or won by a little. He hasn’t adapted like Josh has said.

[@benjamin5726]

Miami is about to end Jimbo

[@daelkolwitz3509]

With all the week 2 upsets, what was worse, Georgia's week 1 beatdown of Oregon, Notre Dames loss to Marshall, or A&Ms upset to App State?

[@erisvance6997]

as a mountaineer I'm fucking tickled shitless with the year we've had so far. I know this is about A&M but last night's game was something else and I'm still fucking riding the high from it. Roll fucking neers baby

[@ronnie237]

It’s great be a Mountaineer. Now you have the Canes. You look like you will be 1-3.

[@michaelv3340]

The point about all the papers Fisher has is interesting. You notice Mike Leach, who knows a little about offence, uses a single, rather small card.

[@kittenluvzu]

I was thinking the same thing. it's mind-boggeling.

[@benjsmithproductions]

This is why every conference should have a champions berth in a fair playoff system, just like every other tournament in the NCAA.

[@mrhankey20]

I would love to hear someone break down the offensive concepts that are outdated and why they don't work today.

[@patrickbooth5091]

And now because we only have a 4 team playoff, Texas A&M’s season is over. None of their games matter now.

[@patricklemire9278]

It’s a weird game to watch. It looks like a high school team playing the JV and the JV winning. Every player on the A&M side looks bigger faster stronger until the whistle blows.

[@freshtendrills5969]

Become an administrator head coach and hire a new offensive mind for OC. That's why Saban is the goat. Adapting.

[@gishjalmr5628]

A&M is going to be lucky to win 3 more games this season. That big recruiting class they got is going to disappear because they are going to transfer out.

[@TS_Esquire]

The offense expired in 2014 but put up 41 against Alabama in 2021. If you say so. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the players overlooking a small school, going out partying on Friday night and being hungover on Saturday.

[@robertpayne2717]

Remember when Bear Bryant at Alabama invited Darrell Royal and his offensive Coordinator to teach him and institute the Wishbone at Alabama early 70's

[@tgtg7182]

That's what A&M get for spending all their off season working on the Alabama game plan when they should of been working on the App State game plan.

[@saldiven2009]

Here's a factoid about Jimbo Fisher. In years where he doesn't have Jameis Winston as QB, his teams average 3.6 losses per season.

[@bigafiveoh6073]

APP State: we want Bama!

[@joshg.6315]

I see A&M’s annual free fall off of the rails and into obscurity started early this season.

[@twisted-tenn1992]

This very thing happened at Tennessee a while back. Hot beat by Georgia Southern and didnt change. However Im glad ot happened. We have a Good Coach. Go Big Orange

[@chadr7522]

A&M may have talent but they don’t have heart. That was the difference in the game. App stays has heart and they truly believe they can beat anyone. Hats off to those guys

[@calgill4252]

Jimbo has shown before that he has what it takes to get to the championship I didn't watch the Game Saturday but I'm assuming that it came down to the wire I'm sure those guys all played ball for the whole 60 minutes too My biggest fear is that the way so many people are coming down on Jimbo he may lose his confidence and start feeling as if his fans and his team are on the brink of giving up on him I seen that happen when he was at FSU. The fans were all about Jimbo and the Seminoles until they lost a game Then they would get butt hurt and throw the whole team under the bus I seriously believe that Texas A&M will be a team to watch in the near future..... If not then they will need to step back and take a look at they're coordinators offense especially...... At the same time I have to say maybe just maybe A&M wasn't that bad at all It was just that Appalachian State was is just that Good I mean after all they sure gave NC State a run for the money that to was a Game for the record books Whan 2 teams match up Someone is bound to lose regardless of how good they are and how good they're playing that is a fact.... I sure would love to see a rematch between Appalachian State and NC believe it would definitely be a different out come the second time around Fact is I'm not at all disappointed in the out come of those two game's I love games when the final isn't decided until the very last minute on the clock My hat is off to those team's for a game well played If they can keep playing like that then we will absolutely see and hear a lot of those teams in the months to come......

[@stischer47]

As a Teasipper but with a soft spot in my heart for A&M, I was...not sure the word...aghast, agape, ashamed, all those A-words at how A&M played. With UT joining the SEC, I was looking forward to UT playing A&M on Thanksgiving Day as they did for decades until A&M left the Big 12. I used to worry about UT against A&M, now I worry about A&M.

[@stischer47]

@Flying Eagle Perhaps, but KU means nothing to us. A&M, however, THAT's the game...and has been for over a century.

[@sarahmccoy1941]

Was it an upset? Perhaps App State should be in the TOP 25, while A&M should be unranked?

[@cameronbrennemanoutdoors]

As a Michigan fan: even Harbaugh integrated his 1950’s offense just enough to be successful. If Harbaugh can do it anyone can

[@chriswilly9773]

Notre Dame lost to Marshall. Texas A&M lost to App State. Nebraska lost to Georgia Southern. Wisconsin lost to Washington St. This proves that even the small colleges can go toe to toe with the powerhouses.

[@JonesDylan874]

College Football is like Dragon Ball FighterZ in a way.

[@drew9221]

I wonder how Evan Stewart feels about his decision to join this archaic offense.

[@richardwalker4903]

Maybe he should be thinking more about that fumble that he had in the game instead.

[@quancooley7925]

Michigan remember this feeling I hope they not having flashbacks lol

[@dallaswood4117]

Saban at Alabama changed the offense after losing to Utah in the sugar bowl

[@MerlinsWand]

It’s his pride, it’s his ego. You didn’t see that in his press conference talking bout Saban?? Lol

[@austinteutsch]

Beware of the Appalachian States and Marshalls of college football!!! On any given Saturday!!! As a Razorback fan, I don't take Missouri State lightly. Go Hogs, and beware! You could be the next A&M or Notre Dame.

[@VudooChild]

Man I can’t tell y’all how many LSU fans were begging for LSU to hire Jimbo to replace Orgeron and I was one of the few saying hell no, we don’t want Jimbo! And this is why. Dude has the big name cuz of the 2014 chip but hasn’t done much since that year.

[@landonworthy7350]

LSU fan here and lol I never wanted jimbo to lsu

[@callumengland6395]

I'm a HUGE aggie fan and it's rough... - How does Jimbo change it especially on short notice? - I can tell from general optics it's outdated but how specifically?

[@realtree297]

Maybe get ahold of scott frost , hell of a oc, hear he’s looking for work

[@v.l.c3979]

This is normal for App State they are known to knock down some bigger programs. And also a&m didn't look good the week before so this would be the right time for Miami to jump on them while they're down.

[@citizen862]

App. didn't resign the S&C coach after the year ? WTH !

[@843MudMafia.]

He need to use max Johnson that come from lsu

[@chrism6880]

I can't wait to see App St vs Marshall

[@clydeplummer7004]

Didn’t this happen to happen to Michigan a few years ago?

[@JonesDylan874]

All the way back in 2007, yep.

[@dfranks1964]

Love your content

[@MississippiPaco]

HA HA HAAAAA! I repeatedly told you Josh and all y’all A&M fans that A&M are choke artists! Yet spring after spring all I hear is A&M is this good that good BLAH BLAH BLAH. It’s FOOLS GOLD. A&M was 0-2 in Mississippi in ‘21 yet we saw 2 videos on Ole Miss and 1 video on Miss State. Prime example that this show runs on VIEWS and not for the love and actual Xs & Os of ball. But don’t worry A&M fans, you’ll go 7-5 and still get allll kinda love and videos in the spring of ‘23 about y’all’s top 5 crutin class and how y’all gonna win the championship in ‘23. CHOKE’EM

[@rexshoemaker740]

Awesome show as always Josh. Jimbo Fisher is Gene Chisik 2.0. Both guys are extremely average head coaches that won championships on the coattails of a generational QB. Somehow Jimbo Fisher has managed to continue to ride the wave of his BCS national championship almost a decade ago. I honestly believe that wave is about to come crashing to shore and he’s going to be all washed up.

[@craigjones9992]

A&M giving UT a run for their money (literally) of how to do less with much, much more. A good first step to improving would be for both fan and alumni-bases to realize they don't just "deserve" to have excellent football programs because you throw extravagant amounts of money into them.

[@N_B_123]

It’s hard being an Aggie

[@dutch1999]

You got that right. Years and years of disappointment.

[@ryanmcswain1143]

Boone was awesome after this, got too stoned to go out to king street

[@ezralong902]

I had a friend of mines who is a FSU fan tell me years ago Jimbo was a bad coach, look at the NFL talent he had on that FSU championship team and that’s the only reason they won. Wasn’t because of him at all. He may be no different than Larry Coker

[@alpinejim2816]

How much is the buyout?

[@dariusp257]

Fisher is not the only one. Mario C at Miami is the same. Old offenses that are vanilla.

[@asheyoclm1127]

Aggies were very much hurting without Bryce Foster at center. Wykoff just wasn’t calling O-line right for the usual identity of the offense which is primarily run-based. Even when the ball is thrown pass protection must be lengthy enough for a 3-4 option play. It wasn’t during the App St. game. They controlled the line on both sides of the ball for the most part, especially after D started getting gassed when you have been on the field 90% of the game

[@chrisrecord5625]

Sorry, I think Josh is spot on pointing out that Jimbo's schemes are antiquated and underutilize the talent available in Aggieland. The defense is gassed because no offense.

[@asheyoclm1127]

@@chrisrecord5625 you’re not wrong. I think there’s a world where it can work: that’s a world with a 1st class TE and RB with good run blocking. Very old school. Problem is you are missing both, not to mention the bad run blocking.

[@chrisrecord5625]

@@asheyoclm1127 Yes, losing Spiller, Green and Wydermyer impacted blocking and perceived offensive threats. Acane is an exciting runner but he missed several blocks that resulted in undue pressure on King.

[@Alexandre-vj5yq]

This Saturday will be Epic!! ESPN College Gameday heads to Boone for the first time ever! Another embarrassing Aggie moments, its like rubbing salt on old wounds.

[@Kirbysbelt]

If they can't protect the QB it doesn't matter if Tom Brady was the starter.

[@tamuman93]

At least we had a shiny preseason magazine.

[@MrJayheller]

Texas AM… will be calling this a good loss come November…. App st. Played great. Maybe a Look ahead game…? Tex Am has Miami NW @9pm

[@chrisrecord5625]

Calling this loss a good one is cognitive dissonance.

[@abfnjewbgalr]

i do not understand why schools keep scheduling App State

[@user-cp7fo7im1s]

Let's Go Canes! Shamar Stewart is still welcome to portal back home whenever.

[@AAAdawg1]

Some quick research indicates Michigan had one unranked season in the 10 prior seasons before losing to App State and were unranked 6 seasons out of the next 10 after losing to App State. A&M wasn't close to what Michigan was prior to losing to App State, the damage done to A&M may well be far worse than what it did to Michigan as a program. There is NO upside to scheduling App State LOL. Georgia Southern either, for that matter.

[@ohmynester]

Scheduling those teams gives credibility and a good test for your team.

[@tonycrabtree3416]

Super seniors at the G5 level are yielding great results.

[@akgeronimo501]

Going to get worse for Aggie fans. When Dumbo starts down, it is dumpster fire that consumes your program.