LSU Football - WHAT Is Happening? (Late Kick Cut)

[@JoshPateCFB]

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[@wizza2315]

Great show brother!

[@cletustrainer]

Ok, this guy should have a much larger audience on KZbin. Good takes. Probably won't like you whenever Alabama goes through a rough time again. 😆

[@JoshPateCFB]

Seems far far away. - JP

[@xjuturna5130]

I can’t wait 😊

[@WellnessRosterHQ]

I think that is wishful thinking.

[@wizza2315]

When Bama has a bad season lol you have seen our team and one of the greatest recruiting classes ever coming in next year. Oh yeah and Saban will coach for ten more years

[@douglasvaleska8106]

And when’s that going to happen 250? 😂🤣😂🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@ericd8597]

Josh , you are spot on with this piece . Truth be told, ED Ogeron is done. He may have next year to help fix this , but that’s it. I don’t think he can fix it. He’s losing the corner stone of his team. That’s trouble.

[@dakotan.mcintyre2898]

I agree and disagree but good points!

[@AW-zy1kw]

Lol O’s NC insurance will give him 4-5 more years to permanently ruin LSU football

[@reeltwig2929]

@@AW-zy1kw nah he starts out cold next season he’s gone. If he kept his nose clean off the field he’d have a longer leash. Bad publicity off the field plus putting together a trash coaching staff and sucking ass is too much for even a NC to cover up

[@ronblankenship729]

🙄🤡

[@smoothbro9711]

All I will say is Alabama goes through coaching chances they lose players also but somehow they rebound nicely

[@clarencewalder2985]

And what about LSU? A lot of people and some LSU fans have said they reload not rebuild and LSU should be fine. Now all of a sudden LSU is on probation some insiders to program knew about all the problems the coach players and SOME higher powers knew that LSU team was a mess and jump ship

[@AW-zy1kw]

Lol that’s because they aren’t being run by a buffoon

[@whywhyerson9910]

LSU can’t keep seniors and juniors

[@BYUBOY33]

This is one of the saddest things ive seen in football. A program destroying itself after one year. Wow...

[@stevesetzer3361]

As a Bama fan, Ive always really liked LSU. I understand how they must feel seeing Saban come here.... it was a brutal blow. I even enjoyed watching them last year. Us even feeling this way doesnt sit well with them....

[@coachdudesportstv]

What about SMU and what happened to USC

[@psyklown5198]

Gilbert is giong to Alabama

[@MrTallformyheight]

It is what it is. Coach O seems like a real asshole whenever the rubber meets the road and it’s time for him to step up a really be a guy to bring in a good culture around the program. That rests on his leadership, period.

[@michaelporter2549]

Louie O. BlevinsMusic as an LSU fan, you’re right. It’s hard to consider it a rivalry when it’s so fucking lopsided. We haven’t beaten y’all in Death Valley in a whole fucking decade. Unacceptable

[@MegaTexan2010]

On the culture aspect. "Attitude reflects leadership"

[@JoshPateCFB]

I knew the Remember The Titans quote was inevitable. -JP

[@Sue_me347]

*Captain

[@bradhogue2029]

You've absolutely hit the nail on the head here. I don't have anything witty or insightful to add there, just that you're spot on with your straight talk. Culture.

[@genocidereaper1]

Orgeron is an emotional coach, he emotionally motivates. That's all well and fine when you are surrounded by great coaches and players but when everyone abandons ship, what then?

[@ToneRetroGaming]

This is a great point. What happens when all of the emotions surrounding an emotional head coach are all negative? Seems like we are getting our answer right now.

[@AW-zy1kw]

He’s got the intellect of a 12 year old. He’s a marginal DL butt heads with players fire em up asst coach trying to be an HC.

[@wayne2fun]

You fire the Head coach you recruit more you apologize for the ignorance and the undisciplined actions and if you can’t do that. Then you send your players to other schools until you get that done that’s what you do. To be fair to the kids 🙁

[@charlesbartlett2569]

O’s life unraveled then his team. Sad.😢 A&M looking to fill the vacuum.

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[@jamesblackwell2150]

I'm not an LSU fam but I feel for coach O. I think he is shell shocked from all the negativity. All you so called "LSU fans" are ignorant about

[@pete49327]

Last year's LSU team will go down in history as the brightest flash in the pan in sports history. Not hyperbole, really, think about it.

[@blake7871]

Yep, and how insane is it that the flash in the pan happened to be one of if not the greatest college football team of all-time? It's incredible how the stars aligned.

[@clarencewalder2985]

And this year team of LSU and now on probation will go out in history as the Dirtiest former champs in history probably take that championship ring back to

[@J_Addison]

Probably but it was an awesome flash

[@coreycoleman8206]

Trash take the program has three nattys in 20 years

[@bjs1130]

Josh.....How about all the self inflicted wounds regarding Ethics and Recruiting Violations....Those are the ones that will hurt the organization longer term... Thanks for the updates!

[@larezmoody487]

Ed Oregon is not a leader. A leader take responsibility when things go South. Ed has the ability to point fingers or overlook the issue. If they don't replace him LSU will continue to go downhill.

[@richardpartin9378]

Coach hasn’t pointed any fingers.

[@AW-zy1kw]

Ah but your stuck with him & he’s going to sink LSU football

[@ronblankenship729]

O always takes the blame. What team you been watching?

[@ToneRetroGaming]

As a huge LSU fan this is very tough to hear and accept. I'm wondering how this is effecting recruiting right now.

[@johnm2991]

You’re gonna get an answer to your question on December 16, 2020.

[@wizza2315]

Honestly you already know the answer 😂

[@YaeshiaDR]

My cousin plays for LSU as a CB and he is thinking about transferring. He not getting any play time.

[@michaelporter2549]

Who’s your cousin

[@wizza2315]

Cordell Flott

[@calebwinfield1403]

If your cousin is Flott, tell him to stop getting toasted every time he's on the field. Thanks.

[@reeltwig2929]

Damn if he can’t get pt on this squad, prolly start focusing on his degree or something else long term

[@chriscrocker6783]

Did anyone do their homework? Was Ed a big hit at Ole Miss? USC gave him a shot and he was winning until competition got in the way. Where did you see sustainable success in his future? I feel like people so easily forget the Les Miles era. He won with Nick Saban program. His biggest mistake was not playing that Michigan hype and getting paid. He wasn't great at Oklahoma State, he sure isn't having anything that could resemble success in Kansas. Get used to the fact that these type of coaches aren't great or elite like Gene Chizik wasn't. Say to yourself with the 2007 LSU team, the 2010 Auburn team or the 2019 LSU team... Does this look like a sustainable success program. Too many people let their heart, ego and homerism get in the way of good judgement. I will stand by the fact that Ed Orgeron is not a great or even good coach. He has no speciality including "culture"???? Whatever that is. Perfect example Nick Saban is a Def. backs coach.

[@fightthegoodfight52]

His life story is inspiring-i.e. the challenges that he overcame in route to becoming the LSU head coach! With that said, you have to win with grace just like you loose with it! He talked a lot of ish after beating Alabama last year-too much honestly! Of course that didn’t go over well. He had to know that the Tide was coming back in this year! Elephants have a great memory! Roll Tide! 💪🐘Built ❌ Bama!

[@clintonpullen4955]

After the disrespect Coach Neaux showed after that Bama game he deserves what's coming to him.

[@robbieray9164]

Linehan and pelini weren’t the answer to losing a defacto head coach and nfl coordinator, O caught lightning in a bottle he is gone ina year

[@sheevirwin8399]

If this continues next year? Yes. But I have a hard time believing that we’ll be this bad next year.

[@jamarreid1082]

@@sheevirwin8399 shit might be worse.

[@AW-zy1kw]

4-5 more years bud. Don’t get fired two years removed from an NC no matter how bad it gets

[@shchorss]

So if LSU has a melt down, how long are they even going to get? There is so much money and talent regardless of the mistakes Ed O makes that it seems impossible to think LSU will even grace with a losing record in a non-COVID year. Disregarding 2019, LSU is usually an 8-4/9-3 team, so at the worst, they turn into a 6-6 team? Imploding a team may be catastrophic at some schools (see Arkansas), but LSU is too wealthy of a program to ever grace with a full out implosion.

[@murdergiraffe19]

I know Les stayed longer than he probably should have, but it's really strange to feel that Ed doesn't have much longer after 2019.

[@genocidereaper1]

Les didnt get blown out. No matter the storm count all the blowouts for him at LSU, show a Bama game he never had a shot in. Congratulations to LSU and O for lightning in a bottle but what now?

[@huntersflight9023]

Les left at least 3 championships on the field.. He had too much talent to be mediocre...

[@williamfair4575]

@@genocidereaper1 29-0 in the National Championship? The ONLY NC shutout? That shutout? Memories are short...

[@genocidereaper1]

@@williamfair4575 you realize Les played 8 quarters and gave up one touchdown. And he prevailed in Tuscaloosa.

[@genocidereaper1]

@@huntersflight9023 Les never had a Quarterback that was the problem.

[@jeraldvickery4166]

My man keeps it real whether I like what he is saying or not. I believe 95% of the time he speaks what he genuinely thinks is true. Nothing wrong with 5% BS to keep interest up.

[@sneakyquick]

Another team Bama has processed.

[@jamarreid1082]

Absolutely nothing to do with bama.

[@jamarreid1082]

@Cary Ballard Alabama has nothing to do with them falling apart, absolutely nothing. They were terrible and not a team from the very 1st game of the season. Alabama got revenge from last year but that isn't why LSU is falling apart, they already had multiple embarrassing losses before Alabama lmao, wtf are you talking about?

[@tywaters9596]

@@jamarreid1082 it really wasn’t revenge considering we beat them 9 years in a row before that

[@jamarreid1082]

@@tywaters9596 yea, that Alabama standard is so high the loss to LSU was disappointing and the cockiness from LSU afterwards was notable.

[@garyschneider8700]

@@jamarreid1082 Alabama had everything to do with it. When Coach O was being wishy washy about his players and social justice Coach Saban was leading his players in the march. Coach Saban signed three top 100 players from Baton Rouge right from under Coach O's nose. Parents of these kids trust Saban, they don't have the same feelings for Coach O. Coach Saban can walk into any living room in Louisiana and leave with a recruit.

[@kountrytiger1999]

Josh you told us all last year that Ed was building a program the likes that will blow Alabama Clemson OSU and any other of the top teir programs away that it will withstand the test of time and anyone who couldn't realize it didn't know what they were talking about.

[@sneakyquick]

Bama now will have a new batch of four and five star Louisiana recruits. Thanks

[@americangraffiti6192]

Great. Were up here in Columbus recruiting our tails off trying to stay within shouting distance. This sure will not make it any easier. Thanks Ed.

[@garyschneider8700]

@@americangraffiti6192 Nah, Ohio State is like Bama. They got kids beating down the door to get in. The coaching staff of both schools are always looking three and four years ahead when recruiting.

[@PatchesMalone]

As a wise man once said: "THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!" Essentially a flash in the frying pan.😂😂😂😂. Being brought back down to reality. Served a big ol slice of humble pie. Whatever you want to call it: I LOVE IT

[@adolfiehillarious6076]

WHEN THE TRUTH REALLY COMES OUT ABOUT HOW THEY DID WHAT THEY DID, LAST YEAR, THERE MAY NOT BE ANY FOOTBALL AT ALL FOR A VERY LONG TIME? REMEMBER HOW THEY WERE "BAILING OUT" IMMEDIANTLY AFTER THE TITLE GAME........THAT'S JUST NOT WHAT A PROUD, THANKFULL, AND EXCITED NEW CHAMPION DOES, WITHIN HOURS OF THEIR CROWNING, BUT THEY DID. THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT HANDED DOWN RULINGS JUST YESTERDAY THAT WERE LESS THAN FAVORABLE FOR LSU, IN PARTICULAR, BUT ALSO MAKING MENTION OF 'OTHER' MODES AND METHODS OF MANUVERING THROUGH LOWER COURTS ETC. JUST NO TELLING WHAT'S REALLY AFOOT, THOUGH NOTHING WAS SAID OF PERCH. SUCH A RICH HERITAGE, REALLY A GREAT SCHOOL TRULY A SAD SITUATION!

[@calebwinfield1403]

LSU is only behind Bama as having the most championships this decade. But yeah, a "flash in the pan" lmaaaoooo

[@adolfiehillarious6076]

@@calebwinfield1403 you better look again.

[@PatchesMalone]

@@adolfiehillarious6076 ikr. This "decade" just started. But the 2007 championship was just last year...........🌽🐕 Mentality. Sad really

[@Mark-qj4qv]

The reason Ed O snapped on Arranda was because he waited until the last minute to take that job. Ed O was forced to make a last minute hire on Pelini.

[@toska459]

A large part of it is Joe Brady. He's the one who made the 2019 LSU team what it was.

[@bayouboyentertainment2106]

Brady shoulda been the Head Coach, Ed is just a hype man doesn't know offense and the defenses have evolved past his understanding. Everyone who was an actual Coach left in the offseason.

[@toska459]

@@bayouboyentertainment2106 I like to think of him as another Kirby Smart. O was DL player and taught DL. A lot of people don't realize this dude should have top notch experience. He helped coach at Miami in the early 90s and was there at the USC mini dynasty. Simple fact is he isn't a good HC, LSU fans can write this off as rebuilding or what not but no defending NC has ever fell this bad and then irony of it is they're losing recruits left and right, several big names are opting out, and theres whispers of players ready to jump ship. 2019 was equally the best and worst thing to happen to LSU in a long time and the damage being done might set them back a decade if not further if they let coach O put up another season like this.

[@greatleadersfollowpodcast7837]

Rediculous. Brady didn’t coach defense nor did he coach Freshman QBs, and he had a star-studded roster. Let’s not compare apples to oranges. Or did you forget Brennan put up similar numbers before he got hurt? 🤷‍♂️🤔

[@toska459]

@@greatleadersfollowpodcast7837 If memory serves correct LSUs defense was shakey then stabilized and didnt really enter an elite status until the playoffs. Dude was putting up numbers? Didnt they lose game one to arguably the worst team in the SEC west?

[@greatleadersfollowpodcast7837]

@@toska459 agreed for last year and most of that was due to injuries on D. Brennan putting up big numbers has nothing to do with LSU giving up ridiculous points and yards to their opponents and losing. Let’s keep those separate, especially since you’re singing Joe Brady’s praises and Brady impacted offense, not defense

[@garyclarkcomedy]

I HAD NO ILLUSIONS ABOUT THIS YEAR. No college team lost more coming in to 2020. I would also say no team has lost more in the last 80 years of College Football. All the leaders left Coaches AND players for head coaching jobs or the NFL. There was no way LSU could have kept any one of these things from happening. Then your Posable leader only player that could pull the team together your QB gets what now looks like a season ending injury. Coach O then has personal issues which distracted him in a year that needed his total attention. Coach O let the team down. ( PERSONAL OPINION Now on the coaching hires they were wrong not because of the skill they bring to the team but they lack the ability TO RELATE TO THE TEAM they have AGED OUT. )

[@wesch6354]

I called it last year. As soon as Burrow left for the NFL. LSU was doomed.

[@MAlley-fm4et]

Did Burrow have anything to do with it or the system that the coach brought in? Burrow had 1 good year.

[@brenttorres8159]

We are freaking out down here. Please more on LSU.

[@keithmitchell1800]

I think they have even lost some scholarships due to the events of last season? If so that alone hurts recruiting

[@bigstick66wood47]

I'll tell you what's jacked up The same thing happened at Auburn after 2010. The head coach lost control of the program then his offensive coordinator went behind his back and tried to take all the credit for their success in 2010 . Then the University hires said offensive coordinator and in 7 years has made him the highest paid coach in the SEC who has 3 wins against Coach Saban since 2013 and is 0 and 12 on the road against it's 3 top rivalries.... LSU can't handle success there's too many people behind the scenes that try to take credit for it.

[@seandickson4915]

Yeah.... You did!!! Much love and respect!!! I watch the show because you tell it like it is! Felt way better last year!!!! Keep it up!!!

[@JoshPateCFB]

Thanks Sean! - JP

[@SafeGuardYourSoul]

Good video. The honest assessment is fully appreciated. I agree. O has got to go. It was obvious from the first half of the first game that O did not have the team ready, never recovered, and coach O is done.

[@brandonthornton496]

I think with LSU problem is until they broaden there search for QB coming out of high school. That’s when u see some better year by year for them. They have the other position players but they can’t get that right.

[@brodydawson1254]

How LSU can completely fall apart at the seams after the greatest season ever I will never know. They have done nothing but disappoint us in Louisiana and I’m not sure it will get any better for a long time.

[@RT22-pb2pp]

Look at Auburn 2010 with cam newton and some key great players.they had a good team not a long term program and O is no better a coach than chizik. Got lucky team chemistry one yr. Lsu is new auburn one hit wonder. Saban laid great foundation at lsu and miles never built on it nor has ogeron.

[@vicb8975]

Check out Gene Chizik’s records the two year after he won the national championship with Cam Newton. Then check out where Gus Malzahn took the team the year after Chizik was fired. See a parallel??

[@johnchaulk]

Didn’t Malzahn lose to Florida St. in the NC and after that.....nothing....not even a semifinal game.

[@vicb8975]

@@johnchaulk you missed the point....Chizik got fired two years after winning the National Championship.I predict Orgeron will get fired before his second year after a national championship is finished. On the third year after the National Championship, Malzhan took Auburn to the Finals against Fl State. Same kids, different coach, can make it happen. If coach O starts next season the way he started this season, he won’t make it through the entire season.....

[@RT22-pb2pp]

@@vicb8975 orgeron. Lsu is same as 2010. Aubs one hit wonder, one great team not a great program.

[@vicb8975]

@@RT22-pb2pp yeah, keep telling yourself that, maybe you’ll believe it one day. The one hit wonder beat your wonderful program 48 to 11 last year That’s a great program, they win the national championship and then go 5 - 5. Yep, no doubt, great program. Let’s get real here, if you want to see a great program over the last ten years, look at Alabama, nobody else measures. Let’s see LSU record over that time against Alabama 1 win, and 9 losses. Over the same period, Auburn is 3 wins and 7 losses. We don’t measure to Alabama, either, but we got 3 wins, vs your 1. ‘Nuff said......

[@RT22-pb2pp]

@@vicb8975 I am bama fan I know bama is the best wtf you talking about 9 losses, bama had not loss 9 ges in last 7 or so yrs 6 titles in last 12, bama rules sec lsu one hit wonder and got asses kicked In 3020 after nc. Bama has not lost that bad since shula got fired, saban has ruled sec and ncaa since 2008

[@SparksofHell]

Started early in 2020 when Coach O's wife filed for divorce. If you know a little of their backstory, it really made one wonder what the hell was going on there. Bo Pelini hire was a 2nd sign for me. A lot of 'experts' praised it and I wanted to believe, but never could think it was even remotely a good thing. When Jamar Chase opted out before the season started, my first thought was that it had little to do with the covid situation, that something was coming undone and he was getting off a sinking ship while there were still lifeboats. I hoped it was just my tendency to think worse case scenario about everything. The Miss State game confirmed my fears were real. Given everything that's come out and happened since then, one has to wonder if the low this is headed to is going to totally eclipse the high of the 2019 season. I was a fan of Coach O's hiring, and may still be a fan in the future, but if a full house cleaning is what needs to happen, then so be it.

[@leng1212]

Some of the best info on the internet, Josh. Thank you for the hard work, brother.

[@michaelkirshner3099]

Good takes Josh. As an LSU fan it's vindicating to hear it all laid out like this.

[@darthnatas953]

I can tell you how you fix a lot of the issues: Show up, give everything you have, get rid of the negative players in the locker room, and beat Florida. See, doesn't everyone feel better now?

[@rogerram-jet4341]

TJ Finley"s dad hit the nail on the head, watch his comment video !

[@FeelingOfDoom]

Where can I find that?

[@OsvaldoG521]

I look forward to Trask absolutely destroying them in his last game in the Swamp.

[@DonChocolatey]

They need to fire Ed. There, i said it.

[@markkiger927]

I’ve got wonder if Coach O’s head is where it needs to be...divorcing his wife, running around with a much, much younger woman. What’s his focus?

[@chasejackson7248]

Who gets fired first Ed, pruiett, or gus

[@jacoblordbanemastersithdes3072]

I wanted aranda to stay he wouldn’t have let teams 37 piece every game game. We had a top 10 defensive coordinator and now we have Pelini who makes 0 adjustments 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@CraigSmithII]

I think the wheels started to fall off when Joe Brady,who was next in line to be new offensive coordinator & Esminger was going to retire,left for Carolina. Scott Linehan was hired in his place & I see no improvement from the offense. Defensively they were WAY better with Aranda & than they are with Pelini. I'm a Bama fan & I was insulted at the lack of adjustments on the Tigers end. Their QB play is horrible too. The original starter what's his issue? He supposed to replace Joe Brady & hasn't done nothing & Finley is starting now OMG he is terrible. The taller the QB is the sorrier he is & Finley is SORRY

[@andrewbennett675]

@@CraigSmithII to be fair Myles Brennan was playing very well before he got hurt. That’s why we had 2 true freshmen playing at qb

[@CraigSmithII]

@@andrewbennett675 Is he still hurt? If he's not he need to get ass in & play

[@andrewbennett675]

@@CraigSmithII yes he’s still hurt. He ended up tearing something in his obliques. And it’s been a lot more complicated than the doctors originally expected. At this point, the doctors just hope he can play football again

[@CraigSmithII]

@@andrewbennett675 Damn Honestly LSU should've offered Brady some more bread so he wouldn't have left for the NFL. Also a lot of people didn't know Esminger was gonna retire if Brady had stayed & became the OC. Coach O should've had some contingency plans in order because IMO he knew Aranda was leaving & Brady was about to jump ship. Those dorkwads at ESPN said Pelini & Linehan were homerun hires....so far those hires have struck out. I was VERY skeptical about the Linehan hire. If the offense he ran at Dallas was any clear indication how the Tigers offense was going to be from here & out then we see it now. Plus he doesn't develop QB's

[@deaconj3406]

Same thing happens to Auburn. Every time they beat Alabama, the system and media attacks them without mercy.

[@wayne2fun]

Here’s the real deal every head coach needs to take responsibility and if you can’t do that you’re not much of a head coach and pointing the fingers at your other coaches does not solve your problem it actually makes you less of a coach I’ve personally never thought Coach O was the right man For that team When you let players except money go to parties and get Covid and then lie about it you have no control over your team anybody can luck up and hit a couple of teams at the right time when they’re beat up or injuries out for the year that happens but you don’t go running your mouth which shows your ignorance when you do beat that team or teams there again proves that Ed should not be a head coach he is going to ruin LSU for good if they don’t get that straight We won’t mention all the other illegal things going on is surely a sad thing for LSU used to be one of the best SEC teams so sad

[@bobbythespaceghost51]

Everybody got a taste of the title and fled when they felt the ship was sinking, especially if they are trying to secure the bag and get to the NFL.

[@MAlley-fm4et]

Didn't your coach get on national TV and say the President is doing a great job? Did he support the BLM movement? That maybe the problem you think?

[@waylonharper1126]

All the stars aligned perfectly last year. We want never see another offense like that again. Ed will be fired soon.

[@Ask-a-Rocket-Scientist]

Sounds like Ed O not supporting the police brutality March ruined the team chemistry.

[@jimgallagher2979]

Coach O has always been overrated as a head coach, and now he's lost control of the team

[@Path2Product]

How does the culture fall so far apart from 2019 to 2020? what do you think were the 1-2 biggest contributing factors? coaching? the massive roster overall (different people = different character)? People were singing Coach O's praises last year for the culture he built, so what happened?

[@Path2Product]

Why aren't we talking about Penn State in a similar fashion? Is their issue culture or something else? Just trying to wrap my head around all this. I saw a defense that, yes, gave up a ton. But I still saw improvements in play, fight, discipline, etc. LSU's secondary just got out-schemed against Bama with NFL talent against young dudes (even though Stingley is who he is, he's still young). But the mid-range Bama pass game and run game was defended pretty well, especially if you compare Bama's running backs and O-line to the former teams LSU has played this year and got embarrassed by...

[@Path2Product]

I guess my point above is that LSU's players didn't show a sign of giving up, which WOULD be an indicator of bigger cultural issues. We'll see what happens this weekend against Florida, but if I still see fight from the players, then I don't think the culture is as systemic an issue as you just made a case for

[@masonlovesroblox]

What’s happening? Coach 0 is STILL a coach with a .6000 winning percentage (I’m not including all the losses this year either). Coach 0 won a natty despite his coaching, instead of, because of his coaching, a la Gene Chizik.

[@jerrylanglois7892]

The primary role of the head coach is to display leadership and the ability to hold his team together. O, the eternal optimist, is obviously not doing that and needs to start addressing that problem... starting with himself.

[@AW-zy1kw]

Lol, anyone with any sense knew O was a buffoon. In way over his head, & was from the beginning. He just got incredibly lucky with the personnel & great staff coming together for an insanely perfect year. Like Auburn under Chizik except Chizik is competent.

[@MrBigBoy4Life]

Sadly, I’m done with LSU football for this year. This Saturday , I’ll be taking my kayak out to the lake for some fishing instead of watching LSU football. I didn’t even watch this past weekend’s game with Bama because I knew it was going to be like watching your kid getting beat up by the neighborhood bully and you couldn’t do anything about it. I don’t blame the guys for decommitting or other guys for leaving. Unless you’re the captain, no one wants to go down with a sinking ship.

[@carterschell3792]

Don’t they also lose 8 scholarship spots in 2022 because of their recruiting violations?

[@debbieverret4033]

I thinks 4 per each of the next 2 years. The allegations really need to be handle quickly and put out in the open.

[@jeffreyb981]

Great piece.

[@terrydouglas5008]

14 NFL draft picks at least 7 free agents. Including 5 first rounders. That's an entire starting offense and defense.

[@leedill9419]

Josh do you think BJ could come back to Tennessee where he originally committed? Arik was the reason he went to LSU. Ramel Keyton and HB are Marietta boys at Tennessee.

[@JoshPateCFB]

I think a lot of dust will need to settle before those guys know what they really want to do. - JP

[@MikeHawkbaby]

As a vols fan I love to be optimistic, but I highly doubt it. No one knows what these kids are thinking besides themselves, but idk if we couldn’t land these kids last season when Tennessee seemed to be progressing why in the world do you think they would wanna come to Tennessee when we seem to be regressing? I know, for Tennessee there isn’t much room for anymore “regression” we’ve already hit rock bottom.. Much more likely BJ or Arik would want Harrison to leave Tennessee and come play with them again instead of vice versa.

[@WellnessRosterHQ]

He goes to Bama where they use the TE.

[@leedill9419]

@@WellnessRosterHQ Your talking about Arik, we don’t need him we have 2 really good TE’s coming in. I’m talking about BJ Ojulari.

[@INoticeTooMuch1]

@@WellnessRosterHQ lmao Arik has the most receptions of a freshman TE ever if I’m not mistaken. He’s also 3rd in the SEC among TE’s for receptions, being only 1 and 5 back from the other two.

[@muddywaters92]

You have to give LSU a pass this season because here’s the reality. They entered the season losing 15 starters to the draft including 5 1st rounders. You lose your DC and offensive guru. You lose your QB early in the season and are now playing musical chair for which freshman will start at QB. You lose your best players to opting out before and during the season. So all this happens plus you had no offseason and not many summer practices plus random weeks 10+ players catch covid and have to quarantine for multiple weeks....... and everyone expects them to be near the top of the SEC......... next year they’ll be back. The only positives for LSU this season is all your young players definitely have experience now.

[@6gatornation]

And it’s not gonna happen this Saturday either

[@sethstine4698]

Carl "Slingblade": "Give me a couple of them busicuts with mustard on em, mmhmm" Ed Orgeron: "i reckon I ain't got no reason to play in no bowl game. I'm gonna have me some of them corndogs with mustard on em though, mmhmm. Some folks call it a kaiser bun, I call it a corndog bun, mmhmm".

[@stokerboiler]

Yeah. It's the culture. After having success at LSU, why do you suppose Saban went to Alabama? He inherited a culture that knew what it had to do to win National Championships. Since the 60s any discussion about a national champion (real or mythical as it was for decades) had Alabama on the short list. Clemson and Ohio State have been climbing that hill for thirty years. Yeah, they won some but they weren't on the year-in, year out short list until the last ten years. Did Joe Burrow damage the LSU culture. Since the 60s, LSU has always been about ferocious defense and hopefully enough offense to win. Worked occasionally, but LSU was always in the conversation. Burrow and the 2019 offense gave LSU the ability to come back. Now the defense has collapsed.

[@cadeingersoll2896]

Lets be honest, coach O doesnt have a championship..Joe Brady does lol

[@SafeGuardYourSoul]

Agree and I hope Scott Woodward will go after Brady for head coach.

[@georgegaskin6809]

Coach O hired him when know one else did!!! That's Coach O's cudo!!!!

[@J_Addison]

I could've coached 22 NFL players to a Natty

[@cadeingersoll2896]

@@J_Addison lmao true. Every LSU rookie is an nfl star

[@cadeingersoll2896]

@@J_Addison and I’m an Aggie, but that team was special and fun to watch

[@turdferguson1021]

The Emperors New Clothes Two swindlers (Bo Pelini, Scott Linehan) arrive at the capital city (LSU) of an emperor (Ed Orgeron) who spends lavishly on clothing (Blonde Chicks etc) at the expense of state (Football) matters. Posing as weavers (Coaches), they offer to supply him with magnificent clothes (Defense, Passing Game) that are invisible to those who are stupid or incompetent. The emperor hires them, and they set up looms and go to work (Practice). A succession of officials (Scott Woodward), and then the emperor himself, visit them to check their progress. Each sees that the looms are empty but pretends otherwise to avoid being thought a fool. Finally, the weavers report that the emperor's suit is finished. They mime dressing him and he sets off in a procession before the whole city (2020 Season). The townsfolk (Fans) uncomfortably go along with the pretense, not wanting to appear inept or stupid, until a child blurts out that the emperor is wearing nothing at all. The people then realize that everyone has been fooled. Although startled, the emperor continues the procession, walking more proudly than ever. Bout sums it up.....

[@reggiejones6716]

I been saying for a few weeks now and I’m going to say it again, I Love Coach O because I Loved the LSU TIGERS PROGRAM, but if you look at coaches who have loss their jobs who were winning is because their personal life was in chaos. Now look at Coach O getting a divorce right after the Championship game then he’s taking pictures with 20 year old women, then not recruiting OL why because he keeps telling us the DL can play on the OL well how has that work out for this season. Then even in this recruiting class you know that you need at least 3-4 OL that can come in start their freshmen year but when your ego gets in the way and you don’t hire coaches who can design new schemes for today’s players and you want to smile taking pictures with someone young enough to be your daughter that chaos and so your boys have a chaos season. And as fans, we shouldn’t be surprised by the players given up on the season and the coach if the coaches can focus on them how can we expect the kids to focus on the team and the season!!!!!

[@Infamous41]

Alabama loses player and coaches every year but they bounce back just fine, no excuse coach O

[@salembuckeye9030]

Is anyone surprised? Ogeron and the tigers were a great story last year but it was a total outlier. Ogeron has never proven he can maintain program excellence.

[@benjaminking6592]

I love your show and respect your opinion. But coach O is absolutely a defensive specialist and defensive coach.

[@JoshPateCFB]

Ed Orgeron isn't now and has never been thought of as a high level defensive mind by anyone in the coaching world. I'm telling you this from firsthand feedback. - JP

[@jeraldvickery4166]

The missing ingredient is a head coach. O' got credit last year for others leading the team.

[@JohnnyBravo02]

That’s a dumb ass comment

[@sheevirwin8399]

.........no. Who do you think made those hires? Who recruited those players? The Fairy God Mother? Sure he didn’t call the plays but O is the one who put together that team last year whether you like it or not.

[@jeraldvickery4166]

@@JohnnyBravo02 Proof is on the field. What other team wins a natty, has great recruiting classes, and wins less than half the games the next year? I will hold for that list. And all teams had with COVID to deal with. And it is just an opinion but I am glad mine means so much to you.

[@jeraldvickery4166]

@@sheevirwin8399 LOL need some tissue little one? O' is killing your team like it or not. Look at LSU's record.

[@jeraldvickery4166]

Stars leaving "Homesick"

[@x5starhustla]

lol Coach O threw Arik under the bus. You cant say his body is sore lmao. Scouts not going to want a tight end who doesnt want to block and cant handle the physicality of college football.

[@bankrollguwop8593]

What scouts are looking at him? Dude still has 2-3 years left of college ball to play he’s a freshman, shit doesn’t affect him 😂 TE aren’t suppose to block 80% of the game, dude is a receiver not a lineman, look at his tape in high school and tell me why the hell are we using his as a lineman, with him running routes can score points, don’t blame arik blame coach O it’s his fault he’s not using the talent how it should be used

[@26marces84]

Man I believe last year was just magical season for LSU i would be they will never do that again

[@13kimosabi13]

One PLAYER => Joe Burrow => made ONE heck of a difference ! Learn THE LESSON !! TUA did it for BAMA. Cardale Jones did it for Ohio State. Trevor's done it for Clemson. LEARN THE LESSON !

[@wizza2315]

Thinking about that Alabama game and skull bashing old fashioned butt whooping we put on them, if you look at LSU the difference between talent was astonishing! When you look at LSU they ONLY have maybe 3 players on their whole team that could even get on the field at Alabama! Definitely no LSU player at the moment would start at Alabama this year! Roll Tide Roll🐘🏈🏆

[@tonycrabtree3416]

66 schollies is 1 less than the FCS maximum. This is terrible news for LSU.

[@Jbsutt]

wow, i cant believe that Orgeron is failing as a head coach, you know, since hes failed every head coaching job hes ever had (sarcastic af). How he got the LSU job to begin with couldve been the subject of a Sherlock Holmes book it was such a damn mystery. Anybody could see that the initial success was because ANY coaching change wouldve rejuvenated that program lmao. Les Miles had, over time, gotten so conservative as a coach that they had to play a perfect game offensively to score. And they never had a qb worth a damn that wasnt happening. Also....That NCAA transfer portal is turning college football players into divas. Itll ruin college sports in time. Watch. 😉

[@patrickjames1798]

Lsu is on their way to being nebraska or Tennessee if they're not careful.

[@zTheBigFishz]

Chizer-Gone

[@mistermexelplitskin647]

They need to bring Joe Brady back as the Head Coach

[@kane6529]

Well............. Joe Burrow is what happend

[@J_Addison]

Geaux Tigers?

[@scottsparks5231]

I don’t think it’s a culture issue I do think LSU is having a down year I think Bo pelini was a bad hire Arik Gilbert came to LSU because of last years offense I think he was let down with this year‘s offense Play but spreading all of this thing news That’s not right we don’t know what the hell is going on over there

[@diggocombs4548]

Before the season started I was straight up dogging our coaches and yall were like, "how dare you talk about Steve Ensminger like that".. and now... js... JUST saying...

[@theknowitall4090]

LSU had a great team. They are not a great PROGRAM as history has shown. They were a one hit wonder and people that no football knew it.

[@dsfddsgh]

Do one hit wonders win 3 titles and play in 4 championship games in 16 years?

[@bankrollguwop8593]

Arik came to lsu to run routes and be a dominant TE like moss was. Everything changed and they started using him as a blocker, why you gonna waste this mans talent to block??? Dude is a legit threat running routes better than pitts but yet here we are using him as a blocker. Coach O is dumping this program into the trash, ever since he got a divorce this program hasn’t been the same.

[@brandonthornton496]

He’s not running better routes than Pitts, chill out

[@brandonjones557]

The culture of the coach shows up. This is the culture orgeron has created.

[@richardpartin9378]

I think it has everything to do with racial issues. Some players skipped practice before the season and marched. Then they had a meeting and and some of the players didn’t feel supported. With all the opt outs and then looking at the QB situation. This Is just an idea I have. Because of the racial tension Coach O starts Finley over Max. Max was supposedly leading as the back up guy. Then you watch them play ( Finley definitely has talent and potential) but in my opinion Max is better and it’s not close. Couple that with the fact that after the Bama game Coach O says they may start Max next week. Then on Monday this guy doesn’t come to practice and decides to opt out. Just an awful lot of coincidences in my opinion. Now if Coach didn’t support the narrative of defund the police and rioting in the streets and that caused a rift with some of the players, I completely stand behind him on that. And good for him for not selling his soul to win football games. Racism is bad. Before you call me a racist.

[@jonathanwallace540]

Sooooo... what are you thinking now?

[@genepaulk6902]

What happened was LSU ran into the best football program in the land !! 🐘 Roll Tide Roll 🐘.

[@BYUBOY33]

Alabama isnt the only team that beat up on LSU this year. This is a program issue.

[@JohnnyBravo02]

Pole smoking’ casual fan

[@genepaulk6902]

The Gospel Truth Yes Gus and Ed O hole is competing for worst head coach in the SEC !!! And Ed O hole is ahead of Gus for now !!!

[@esnebta]

Eye roll

[@debbieverret4033]

This team will fizzle too, nothing lasts forever, enjoy it while you can, Saban won't coach forever.

[@ljbull33]

The real problem or this crummy as play calling that are not benefiting the players the good players that are there that want to be able to shine and help the team win I think it’s pretty obvious two great coaches left Aranda should’ve just stayed put sure would’ve been nice because he didn’t do a damn bit of good going over to Baylor except his paycheck with all the damn money we spent on less miles we could’ve kept Nick Saban and Aranda and Joe Brady those are the things that hurt we could’ve salvage the team even though a lot of the great players left there were still a lot of great players on the team yeah just a bad year I’m still I think Coach O can put together another good squad of coaching a good coaching squad he is still an improvement when he took over from Les Miles you could still see the change but this year if I didn’t know better I think Les Miles was calling the plays in from Kansas run up the metal run up the middle what do you have to do on third down? That’s right pass really? Just like in the Les Miles era I quit watching LSU football very very sad days however I believe Coach Orgeron can and will turn everything around and We need to trust in him and support him once again and I never quit supporting him Geaux Coach O ! You got this !

[@Slangtalker07]

Joah you guys still helping people get KZbin channels off the ground? I dont have any other social media other than KZbin.

[@waylonharper1126]

I told everyone before the season started they would lucky to win 8 games.

[@jerrylanglois7892]

Well, you were wrong... should've made it 5.

[@bigboi46hardknocks77]

Word on the street Coach O lost all the African American players, I hope and pray that’s not the case, but if it’s true i won’t be surprised

[@cliffhill2495]

What are people saying that he did to lose African American players?

[@bigboi46hardknocks77]

The rumor didn't go into detail that's why I don't think it's true well I pray it's not true

[@huntersflight9023]

Right!! The coaches didn't support them when they march on campus...

[@bigboi46hardknocks77]

That was important to those young men black and white The coach should've supported them even if you don't agree. Be there to support them

[@tywaters9596]

They definitely sold their soul

[@shawnlangford1132]

Coach O this is what happens when you talk shit after the game last year. I do give you props for winning last year but LSU is 1 and 9 against Alabama in the last 10 years, so we should be talking shit like you did last year. I don’t mind fans talking shit to each other, but when it comes down to the head coach it should never happen. You’re lucky Saban called off the dogs.

[@MAlley-fm4et]

Bullshit, most of the time a back up is not liked by a position coach more than the person that's playing in front of him. Prime example Cadillac Williams and Ronnie Brown.