24EDO Microtonal 7-String Guitar - Djent/THALL

[@radbradmusicartist]

So you're telling me i could have even MORE notes in my music? 😎

[@KervenAyres]

Definitely, it's just going to be hard to memorize or notate on a tablature hahah

[@ManfredFechter-kc7iy]

Don't tell that Yngwie...

[@AffixedEvil]

Yeah, 2.5 notes now

[@LouisRiverstone]

Incredible microTHonALL guitar

[@vlorschbuug]

hehe if you remove the capital letters it says microon

[@NicolasPL_]

Microthall

[@schleppvideos]

the guys in vildhjärta would have a field day with this

[@KervenAyres]

I believe that at some point they might make a song in microtonal

[@MaestroKatProductions]

Callé did a demo, but said he gave up on it So you're technically more skilled than them now 🙃

[@KervenAyres]

@@MaestroKatProductions bet his demo was way better hahahha

[@ZoltanIstvanMarossy]

​@@MaestroKatProductions don't do that bro

[@AncientPastures_alt]

Sick song! I feel like this is the perfect genre for a 24 EDO guitar

[@KervenAyres]

I felt the same way, I could only imagine how expressive it could be for clean tones and ambient sounds

[@denterestrial]

This sounds oddly nostalgic. I like it

[@KervenAyres]

thanks bro

[@denterestrial]

@@KervenAyres oh and also what are these drums

[@Djfmdotcom]

0:44 that is a *mighty* guitar tone.

[@BearoBrother]

This is incredible

[@KervenAyres]

thanks bro

[@Niverlare]

super inspiring instrument, loved the cleans on this

[@ziondia4607]

testicular torsion

[@Paulo-c3n]

hello mr guppy

[@markop.1994]

This is the best 24edo piece ive heard yet. Sick! 🤘

[@KervenAyres]

thank you bro!!

[@JJ-mp7rg]

I hope you’re working on a longer version of this. Fucking love it👏👏👏

[@KervenAyres]

I started writing a Microtonal Nu Metal song

[@ITheAscended1]

This is absolutely nuts.

[@bwa_8]

Amazing. Sick guitar, sick playing. Sick video!

[@SerpentsBane1995]

Reminds me of Ron Sword, he's been using alternate music systems for Metal guitar since 2006. It's about time someone in what's supposed to be Modern Metal has caught up! His band is Last Sacrament and they play Death Metal using various tunings and custom guitars! \m/

[@KervenAyres]

Thanks for the recommendation, man. I'll definitely give it a listen

[@BibaSenpai]

This is fire! Pls do more stuff like that!

[@HungryChaCha]

Beyond words! Absolutely slaps!

[@KervenAyres]

thanks bro!!

[@prod.paperpiece]

Seem like new Era of low guitar universe

[@KeithBrianBalanday]

So many frets 😮

[@BrandonBurch]

Presenting a new style! So you've heard of Djent, and you've likely heard of Djont... Here we have Djeent!

[@KervenAyres]

A new era for Djent, is the MicroDjent

[@808BassMetal]

Holy shit thats the coolest thing ive ever seen

[@KervenAyres]

thanks bro!!

[@binh.pham277]

Beautiful guitar, bro

[@RecliningWhale]

Sounds as great as the guitar looks, keep it up!

[@LocusFelix]

This literally gets put on loop every few days so I can disassociate to some gloriousness 🐙🤙

[@KervenAyres]

Thank you so much!

[@DDmatutino]

Absolutely amazing

[@progrockplaylists]

I LOVE MICROTONAL MUSIC IF MICROTONAL MUSIC HAS NO FANS I AM DEAD

[@stephenweigel]

RIP

[@darkray7987]

Holy crap this is awesome. Most microtonal music is still somewhat strange sounding to me but this is just perfect, absolutely killer riffs!

[@KervenAyres]

Thanks bro!! I realized that if you only use the 1/4 tone notes, the sound doesn't seem strange or weird at all. On the contrary, it sounds normal, you can even hum the notes

[@szymonkosowski1154]

Bro, no offense but there's no point in playing a 24EDO guitar if you only use the notes in between the ones of a typical guitar (1/4 notes as you call them). If you use these notes exclusively, its no different than just tuning your normal guitar up or down a 1/4 step - not microtonal, just a different tuning - relationships between the notes used are exactly the same ;) If you want to make real microtonal music, experiment with all the notes, mix and match to achieve intervals that are not availble on a normal guitar - thats what makes it microtonal, interesting and challanging for our western ears :D Anyway, great riffs and good luck in exploring the new sounds ;)

[@KervenAyres]

@@szymonkosowski1154 Yes, I get that, but not everything that glitters is gold. I wasn’t comfortable shooting in the dark. There are scales where you mix tonal notes with just a few 1/4 tones, and that gives the sound you're looking for, but it’s not like that. I could just do something completely random or improvised, or like many do, just play as if it were a conventional guitar. I need to understand what I’m doing, otherwise, I’ll just be playing the wrong scales, notes that don’t fit, just to please some people, and that’s not my goal

[@mark6302]

beautiful instrument

[@KervenAyres]

thanks bro

[@tvarasu]

u re so talented bro!!

[@KervenAyres]

thanks very much bro!!

[@mangstrum]

Opening riff is wicked

[@rdm7770]

Holy that is sick af \m/

[@KervenAyres]

thanks bro!!

[@saibaram]

Soloing on this guitar is going to be CRAZY!!!

[@KervenAyres]

very hard

[@beenis08]

Wow that sounded amazing! I bet some people wouldnt be able to tell its microtonal lmao 😅

[@KervenAyres]

That's the biggest question here, since it sounds normal, people can't really notice the difference. But I uploaded these images of the frets I'm playing on the guitar and a screenshot of what the tuner shows... imgur.com/a/jSd5OUN

[@Dalvidos]

Wild bro!

[@zvotaisvfi8678]

the best

[@itsrasalhague]

Nobody's gonna talk about the wood? That's hella unique

[@Pinkfongfan24]

SSSSSSHRED ❤

[@applegarden2448]

Cool but I would love to see some adjusted scales of western tonal harmony. I know, I am guilty for this too. I also have 24 TET so I have some work to do aswell.

[@Gazareno]

Guitar looks amazing

[@INDVSTRYsound]

bravo

[@ndmtro]

that's a cool looking guitar

[@boblincolninc.9654]

This might be the thallest guitar of all time

[@KervenAyres]

🙏🙏

[@Fabretteable]

Very nice! Would like to see playing up higher notes.

[@dr.radical4152]

I love this instrument and how you're using it! My only problem is the tone is way too muddy to make out some of the microtones, try using a brighter tone. I do think muddy tones have their place but my own personal preference is of brighter tones

[@KervenAyres]

yeah the tone didn’t turn out that good

[@Snickers18827]

Honestly in my experience the cleaner the tone the better the interval is structure, classical style finger picking sounds absolutly killer in this temperament. With distortion holding 2 notes longer can give some very diffrent intervalic relation to the notes. Microtones are Definitely a fun new world to explore. People are still building the music theory around it. It's like the wold west of music rn

[@wildersound]

yeah this slaps hard ! 🤘

[@KervenAyres]

thanks

[@BradWilliamsonMusic]

Sooooo sick 🔥🔥🔥

[@KervenAyres]

@@BradWilliamsonMusic thanks bro

[@jorre4478]

Wow, just wow :D very cool man, happy you showed up in my feed. Curious what is the main difference between the 24EDO and normal 7 string guitars, as a newbie i want a deep dive explanation.

[@KervenAyres]

Thank you, I'm glad you liked it! The big difference is in the number of frets. While a conventional 7-string guitar has only 24 frets, a 24EDO guitar has 24 frets per octave, meaning it has 48 frets

[@jorre4478]

would you recommend this guitar for anybody?

[@guitarhappy2833]

I mean cool guitar and all but u didnt really showcase what this guitar can do ( especially with the higher frets) .Also I could see the same thing that you played in this video being played with a normal 7 string and not sounding that different.

[@KervenAyres]

I understand your question. I actually did this on the same day I got the guitar. I wrote everything in one afternoon, then I didn't have much time to explore the guitar further.. really just a short amount of time. In my next ideas, I believe I'll diversify more and showcase what the guitar can truly offer. As for playing the same thing on a regular guitar, it might sound a little similar, but it’s not really the same, because the notes I play are all a quarter tone off. So while it might seem close, it's really not, especially in the intro riff

[@TheOffensiveSenses]

There aren’t just more high frets. This guitar is microtonal.

[@swarthygiant1463]

That’s because depending what chords you go for 32tet isn’t that different than 12tet, and that’s especially true when you use distortion. The whole reason people don’t like metal is that it’s dissonant, aka off key haha. All the sludgy overtones are already microtonal and the screaming is 97% atonal. 32tet is much more noticeable when you see lumitone playing with a clean key sound

[@bleighhh]

@@swarthygiant1463ehi I would like to know more about tonality and all that you said, do you have good sources to share

[@patrickrocha1810]

Maluco trabalha gangue

[@cauapaulon167]

Fodaaaa demaaais, irmãaaooo!!!

[@KervenAyres]

@@cauapaulon167 valeu meu mano

[@InVacuo]

Awesome!

[@KervenAyres]

thanks bro!!

[@kapi_yakumo]

Now this prog prog post rock

[@totalcomputerdependency]

stoner thall? fkn love it.

[@chivalry1500]

ELEPHANTHALL

[@stephenweigel]

Glad you’re taking the plunge. Gonna play some Jute Gyte?

[@KervenAyres]

I don't know him

[@dante7935]

​Awesome microtonal band

[@stackedfat]

Nice

[@bloodeaglewings]

holy crap

[@jeffjarquin3570]

Isn't writing thall already difficult? 😂 Love your guitar bro, what a beauty

[@KervenAyres]

It really becomes harder to play, but if you only play the 1/4 tone notes, it gets easier

[@PROGRESORAS]

I'm feeling dizzy just by looking at it XD

[@KervenAyres]

hahahaha it gives me a little anxiety

[@KML-XX]

You upload any of your music on streaming? If not you should do some EPs!

[@KervenAyres]

Yes, I have some released songs with my instrumental project open.spotify.com/intl-pt/artist/6CvwvgnmT7EXu2SBK45gwi open.spotify.com/intl-pt/artist/0JqthHZL5XCNIFwngjidHt

[@Darfings]

Brutal vei Se lokooo

[@KervenAyres]

@@Darfings valeu jaja

[@descendinguniverse]

got a headache just by looking on this fretboard, no wonder our predecessors agreed on 12 notes per octave😄

[@KervenAyres]

I agree, they tried to make our lives easier.

[@Snickers18827]

Im saving for a microtonal 8 string classical and 7 string electric and 5 string bass for 24edo, i cant wait to make some turkish prog metal!

[@KervenAyres]

Amazin bro!! We need to bring new sounds to metal

[@Snickers18827]

@@KervenAyres I agree 100% and microtones I feel are the best way right now!

[@xykhron]

I'd definetely want to listen to more music created with this instrument. It sounds very well and you arranged a song that matches the idea of microtonally playing very smart, so congratulations. Just a question....the regular side dots are located where it should be, at a complete note?

[@KervenAyres]

Thank you bro!! Many here are questioning the choice of music style I used to demonstrate the guitar and the fact that it doesn't sound strange, but I think that was my idea from the start hahaha. As for the side dots, they're located where the tonal notes should be

[@Snickers18827]

Look up the album self similar by the mercury tree. It's the best microtonal album I've found so far. I believe they mix 24 edo and 17 edo for this album though. Let me know what you think!

[@empereurpalpmapine]

First time I find interest in djent 😅

[@_033Music_]

\m/ Nice \m/

[@emptycloud2774]

Amaze-balls

[@AndreyOrochi]

🔥🔥🔥

[@babysharpMMA]

Bends string a 1/4 bend 😮

[@agathaclarissa786]

❤❤❤

[@OnyHairu]

t h a l l

[@jared_s2]

cool demo djent r it in a contist?! 🤠 mattias ia eklundh might like this - i think guthrie govan was into these musical complications too.

[@Ze_Davila]

Meu fi inventando nota nova aí slk

[@KervenAyres]

Tem que inventar coisa nova

[@AManChoosesASlaveObeys]

Faz isso não mano

[@The_Tarmaster]

That must have been a pain in the ass to do the fretwork on 😂

[@KervenAyres]

yeah hahahha

[@maximeb190]

Now lets see how manageable those bottom half frets are...

[@KervenAyres]

😂

[@timg2727]

I would love to hear some clean pieces played on this guitar. I feel like a lot of the nuance of playing in a microtonal temperament is lost by using so much distortion.

[@eljefe8564]

Sweet fiddle

[@KervenAyres]

@@eljefe8564 thanks bro

[@thonykx]

That means that I can make a microtonal pentatonic ?

[@KervenAyres]

yeah except the shape is different

[@quocbinh6674]

This would be a next guitar trend after the baritone lol

[@773Spair]

What chords are possible with this 24EDO guitar?

[@Sylkis89]

Is the fretboard divided into quartersteps instead of halfsteps? Is that really more useful than just bending that quarter step as needed? Asking out of genuine curiosity and not as a passive aggressive jab or something. Aren't the extra steps kinda getting in the way, don't you end up using bends for various things anyway?

[@KervenAyres]

@@Sylkis89 Stop and think, you can do bends on up to two strings simultaneously in 1/4 tone, but to play chords where all the notes are in 1/4 tone on a conventional guitar, you would have to do bends and adjust the tuning of some string to 1/4 tone to play it open. In other words, it would be exhausting to do this all the time. It would be more practical to have a guitar dedicated to that purpose. Moreover, there's no comparison between having all the 1/4 tones readily available to play and depending on bends. It's difficult to create an entire melody in 1/4 tone on a conventional guitar

[@clarenegracey]

@@KervenAyresthe concept of tuning a chord up a quarter step will never appeal to western listeners, ever. There’s a reason microtonal music isn’t popular. Vibrato (vocals especially) and bends are heavily used and popular because every performer uses the techniques differently; and how it steps out of harmonic foundations is what makes it interesting it. I personally agree with the original comment. In this genre too, the bends make or break a riff. Justifying the removal of the technique all together because you can play chords is crazy; as you’re lucky to find someone playing fifths in thall let alone chords.

[@nandozilla]

Can you make a D medium chord?

[@KervenAyres]

yes, only the distance is different

[@didtoknan8128]

This guitar deserves a better sound.

[@KervenAyres]

I agree

[@pyrocinic8328]

Peak male performance music

[@KervenAyres]

🤣🤣

[@BlackenedSunOfficial]

thall

[@KervenAyres]

in terms of tone or sound?

[@BlackenedSunOfficial]

@@KervenAyres both

[@sentientabyss4734]

if its 24 tones per octave, why 49 frets? why not just 48?

[@KervenAyres]

The luthier wanted to put an extra fret haha

[@sentientabyss4734]

@@KervenAyres 😅

[@Ben_19M]

unc still got it 😂

[@lowly.8776]

Why does your palm mute sound so weak? Is it because its that low tuned?

[@KervenAyres]

I can't really say. What I can tell you is that this demo doesn't have bass, and I drop an octave throughout the whole riff

[@denterestrial]

​@@KervenAyreswhat amp sim do you use

[@KervenAyres]

@@denterestrial Neural DSP Omega

[@denterestrial]

@@KervenAyres Hmm. Have you tried archetype gojira or fortin nameless?

[@KervenAyres]

@@denterestrial Not yet, at least not with this guitar, but with others, yes. I'll use it though

[@TheREV90497]

What’s plugs?

[@KervenAyres]

omega ampworks

[@patrickrocha4283]

afinacao?

[@KervenAyres]

@@patrickrocha4283 B Standard

[@blazkorazija2310]

What are the strings tuned to?

[@KervenAyres]

B Standard

[@patrickrocha4283]

🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵

[@PigglyWigglyDeluxe]

Nik Nokturnal has entered the chat

[@KervenAyres]

🤣🤣

[@WilliamRaezer]

That guitar probably costs more than my life.

[@KervenAyres]

Only $3200

[@Microtonal.Metal.Master]

Nice Guitar. Welcome to the dark side.

[@KervenAyres]

hahahaha thanks

[@paulv.6040]

Clearly, it djents

[@Seth_thall]

microThall

[@KervenAyres]

MicroTHALL needs to become a new subgenre

[@Seth_thall]

@@KervenAyres damn! I need a microtonal guitar now 😂

[@406hardcore]

thall

[@Chrisshallperish]

I guess 1/4 steps are in some cultures. It's cool but you can just bend notes as well. Seems like a lot of trouble for not a whole of benefit. Guitar is beautiful though.

[@KervenAyres]

The difficult part is constantly playing bends, making a chord with a bend, or even an entire melody with bends. With a microtonal guitar, it becomes much easier, I can play chords and melodies with quarter tones without worrying about doing bends all the time

[@Chrisshallperish]

@@KervenAyres intersting never heard that on chords that i recall. im interested

[@JaredTheGrayson]

Dude has all the frets...

[@KervenAyres]

yeah bro 🔥

[@StingThorn]

how t f you memory whole notes from 47 frets

[@KervenAyres]

On the side of the guitar neck, there’s a marking for the tonal notes

[@antares4975]

i've heard no quartertonesomething at all.

[@KervenAyres]

really?

[@antares4975]

@@KervenAyres every note is a bend dude. :D