The New 7 String Guitar From Schecter...

[@BaenaCarcosa]

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[@musicmaster555]

VIDEO IDEA: Andrew, you should show us what the road has done to your guitars. Like damage and Jimmy-rig fixes. Also share your thoughts on guitars that you found as favorites through the journeys.

[@WalterRitchey]

God bless comments like this. It’s so hard for creators to come up with fresh ideas and as a creative person myself, I can get stuck in a rut. This is a great suggestion.

[@flufficornss]

i think this idea (the pickup) is actually really cool and i wish more companies would take risks like this obviously its not going to be for everyone but theres always an advantage to being able to get brand new tones just some people wont have a use for these tones offered in their style of music

[@chickensendies]

I snagged the 6 string version and am absolutely loving it! I do not have to worry about the slanted pickup in mine so I am good HAHAHAHA

[@HeroOfTme13]

doing a long term tour on both would be cool if possible. As someone that doesn't plan on touring ever as a guitar playing hobbist I like the aspect of how it sounds in a home recording situation the most but knowing the faults they may have on tour is still very good to know.

[@OTTOAUDIO]

Sounds like a thick steak hitting the speakers & I brought plenty of A 1 1 1 1 1 for everyone

[@Ryo7_7]

Sounds so good 🔥

[@posthard-coreshorts]

How did you comment a day ago???😂😂

[@tobymurray-anderson4773]

Hey, it's you guys! Absolutely love your 1111 plugin. Sounds massive on a 9 string!

[@SamBrockmann]

Sounds amazing, son, especially those palm mutes.

[@OTTOAUDIO]

@@tobymurray-anderson4773 Thanks for the words Toby 😎👍

[@WarrenM9]

I personally really like the sound of the middle-positionish placement. Reminds me of early djent tones

[@J.C...]

That pickup is in the same place a normal Tele pickup is. It just isn't slanted. 🤷🤦 Middle placement would be on the pickguard, just like a Nashville Tele.

[@WarrenM9]

@@J.C... i meant closer to the middle than a traditional bridge pickup

[@-cobainism-]

lmao i would think that you want the pup closer to the bridge on the bass side and farther away on the treble side. oh well... love the vid dude!

[@maynardburger]

While generally a good practice, a Fluence Modern is gonna be plenty bright and chunky enough to not need the extra angling towards the bridge. It will affect the tone somewhat, but likely little more than a minor EQ adjustment in reality. Like the difference between a neck pickup on a 24 vs 22 fret guitar of the same scale length.

[@suniso370]

Absolutely agree about the pickup placement sound. Great example is Ibanez M8M, the pickup is really close to the bridge, and you can hear it.

[@necroux13]

It seems like all of schecters that are multiscale use schecter pickups when they slant it with the bridge. I wonder if they didn't slant it with the Fishmans because of the overall length of the pickup possibly not being long enough to pick up all the strings very well. Just a thought.

[@shreddyz]

They'd have to use a larger pickup to be able to have it cover all the strings if it were slanted and there's no 9 string version of the pickup afaik so they wouldn't be able to make an 8 string version with a slanted open core modern. Maybe that was the deciding factor on the pickup placement/orientation.

[@kacperkaps8591]

Why would you need a 9 string version pickup for a 7-string? Correct me if I'm wrong, but an 8 string version should be enough in this case.

[@shreddyz]

@@kacperkaps8591 the 9 string pickup would be for the 8 string model. No 9 string version of the pickup means they wouldn't be able to make an 8 string version.

[@peachmelba1000]

I built an offset fanned fret flying V last year. It has a duncan JB (pickguard mounted). When I cut the passthrough for the pickup, I accidentally positioned it about 3/16" farther toward the neck than I had intended. I didn't even notice until the guitar was fully assembled. It looked a bit off from my drawing. Anyway, I was about to unsolder it and make a new pickguard, but I tested it out anyway. It sounds _really_ good where it is. It still has that percussive thump that you get from that pickup, but woolier and sweeter. It's like a whole different pickup.

[@eggpod4567]

That killer riff at 3:10? Couldnt resist joining your partreon specifically for that riff alone. Not to mention youre super awesome in general. After a day of joining. I learned that riff and now I cant stop playing it. Lol For real. Anyone reading this. Please support him and join. It's so worth it for only 2 bucks. He puts so much effort into it. Which to me, goes to show how much he appreciates his fans. Much respect.

[@BaenaCarcosa]

Thank you so much!

[@bthompson1229]

Demoing the 8string on tour us a great idea!

[@minnesodope]

I bet you could have recorded the demo with a slanted pickup, nobody would have been able to call it out, and there would still be discourse over the straight pickup. People are listening with their eyes, not their ears. On sound alone, I would have never been able to tell if it was a MS with slanted pickup, MS with straight pickup, straight bridge with straight pickup, or straight with slanted pickup.

[@BaenaCarcosa]

Guitarists definitely have a tendency to listen with their eyes not their ears - and I went into this hoping I was wrong (cuz obviously why would I want to not like a guitar lol) but to me the sound difference is very noticeable

[@ilikeheavymuzic135]

It’s extremely easy to hear the difference between a middle pickup position and a bridge pickup position

[@SamBrockmann]

​@@BaenaCarcosa, it's definitely noticeable. But I think that's good. I appreciate that most of the music you are making, you want a dirty, snarl low end. But that doesn't fit every metal band.

[@BaenaCarcosa]

Which is basically what I said haha. Just because it isn't necessarily my cup of tea doesn't mean it is bad or something. My opinion only means as much as you think it does - if you think it sounds great then that is awesome!

[@SamBrockmann]

@@BaenaCarcosa , I really liked how "meaty" the palm muted parts sounded.

[@alexandercarlinmusic9467]

What's annoying about the way the pickup is is that I saw someone selling a prototype of it on Reverb that had a Lundgren Black Heaven 7 instead of the Fishman and it was angled accordingly for the fan fret (can't verify if it's rly legit but it seems to be). So idk why they decided to go this direction with it instead of what they had with the prototype but it seems like most ppl aren't happy with the final result.

[@StefRoGer]

Yes, seen that as well - it's Drum City Guitarland - they had stories on their Instagram of that guitar.

[@TheRickyThomas]

According to the fishman website these pickups are not configurable for multi scale . I wonder if the push was made to promote the pickups but also generate ‘Buzz’ by not conforming to the standards. Lots of talk about this guitar design good and bad, all of which are generating Impressions. Would be rad to hear from schecter on this in general

[@CalanReichel]

Agile did the straight bridge pickup with the orginal Pendulum (their* first fan fret) way back in the day. Basically kills the tight bridge pickup and gives you a middle pickup tone. Quite a major loss IMO

[@minnesodope]

"Quite a major loss", Not really. Schecter has other MS guitars with angled pickups (including Fishman's), as well as many other companies. Get those instead. This isn't for you. This is like getting upset that a Gibson doesn't sound like a Fender. They are different guitars targeting different sounds.

[@scotwilke1643]

I bought the 6 string from Sweetwater. Love it. No issues at all. Sounds and looks great. Body is a bit thinner versus other tele's.

[@JimsMusicDungeon]

The Looking Glass is still such a banger!

[@AdamDallas]

The pickup thing was ultimately what led me to get rid of my strandberg 8 string. The pickup was just too far angled from the bridge and I could never get rid of that tubby/middle-is sound.

[@tummy_fritters]

I like the long term try out idea for the 8. I'd like to see it in Edmonton!

[@CloudburstStudio]

I feel like the main difference about the pickup placement would be that you won’t have the same definition on the low strings that you would if the pickup was slanted. Would be awesome if you could compare either the 7 or 8 Black Ops to a guitar with similar specs with the main difference being the other guitar has a slanted pickup so we can really hear the differences 🙂 I do agree with you though it does sound better than I initially thought it would’ve

[@eggpod4567]

The riff at 3:10 slaps so fucking hard.

[@fernando9260]

Reminded me of a Djent version of The Philosopher by Death

[@SvenBout]

I love how this guitar sounds with the OA plugin

[@OTTOAUDIO]

Me too Sven, me too 💪😎

[@SvenBout]

@@OTTOAUDIO best tones you can get

[@darenwalker2517]

agree on the pickup placement, it lacks the aggression when it is so far from the bridge

[@ClikcerProductions]

I feel like the pickup definitely isn't doing justice for more complex metalcore-y or djent-y riffs where clarity is king (for me) since it sounds a little muddy on those low strings, but I could see it working super well for some more Deftones esque stuff, which is slower and more vibe-y

[@mostgoodstudios2305]

First of all, EXCELLENT riffage! And thank you for making a video that really addresses this with pickup placement! Far too many companies seem like they don't research it a ton on extended range guitars, and it's not discussed a whole lot in the mega-low-tuned guitar community. Some people seem to like this placement, which is cool. Absolutely subjective. But from a tonal standpoint, regardless of preference, it sounds like a middle pickup. No amount of EQ-ing is going to make it sound like a punchy, articulate bridge pickup. That, and appearance-wise, it just flows better when the pickup is slanted with the bridge. (Also subjective, sure) Still neat looking guitars otherwise. As always, this is awesome stuff!

[@StefRoGer]

Seems Like Drum City Guitarland has a prototype of them with a slanted Lundgren Pickup. Looks way better in my opinion, but Schecter probably wanted a Fishman and they don't build slanted ones yet afaik. Would have preferred a slanted pickup for sure.

[@abunai.j]

Agree. Dope looking guitar, and I'm sure it plays really well, but that pickup placement kills me. I've got an Agile that I love, but the pickup angle isn't fully aligned with the bridge - it's slanted, but not fully - and it has that honky, thicker lowmid sound you're talking about as well. It's small on that guitar, so it's workable with a bit of EQ in post. But yeah, I agree - this one wouldn't be for me either with that straight pickup.

[@eggpod4567]

Got tabs anywhere for this? I can't stop coming back to this. It's such a killer song that you made.

[@BaenaCarcosa]

Thanks! And yep they are on my Patreon $2 tier

[@eggpod4567]

God damn it. Out first, I was like eh cause i never do anything related to patreon. But, here I am again. Tonight's the night I get to actually look at these tabs. Can't get this song out of my head. I must learn it. My only request though if I go through with this is; You must give us a nip slip with the next video. 😂😂

[@Mr.Goldbar]

I love the non slanted pickup, I think it sounds unique and like a breath of fresh air. It's meant for stuff that's a bit tighter than the Otto Audio plugin that's for sure, but it still sounded really good there!

[@Shuhredded]

I've had the Otto plugin since 2021, you can tighten it, fatten, do whatever. The good sounds here were mostly due to the amp and cab used and these pickups put together

[@Mr.Goldbar]

@@Shuhredded I legit didn't know about this since Andrew always has this sludgy kinda tone with the Otto

[@goobingtons]

​@@Mr.Goldbarthe only thing I wish the II II had is an eq like nameless X does (the only other plugin I use lol)

[@SamBrockmann]

That's how I am looking at it, this is a pickup that gives us cool and interesting tones. If things were tightened up even further, with a drive pedal dialed into more, then it would sound even better than the Otto Eleven Eleven tones we hear here. Obviously, you can tighten up Otto Eleven Eleven; I just don't thing Andrew did to the degree that this needed for this pickup.

[@Shuhredded]

@@Mr.Goldbar I feel that, yah just spend some time messing with it, dial in just about anything

[@WalterRitchey]

Love love love the idea of this guitar. Agree the pickup is interesting and would like to know why they made that decision. Otherwise the perfect metal guitar formula.

[@23kings70]

It sounds amazing, but I would really like to hear how it sounds in all positions in a solo/sweep session before I buy. Maybe guitar center has one to play with lol

[@bobbyadamson2333]

Dude I Have been waiting for more reviews of this thing thank you

[@alyxgonzales]

I would have been interested in the 8 string if they would have slanted the pickup, added a neck pick up and a coil split, this is what my 7 string ormsby goalith has which is perfect and really versatile rather than a one trick pony

[@dreammachine86]

I think it sounds pretty good but I do tend to like that spanky split coil tone. I prefer using coil split on a bridge humbucker most of the time anyways unless it can manage to be both chunky and have a lot of attack in humbucker mode. I wonder if Schecter did it this way because guitar manufacturers seem to prefer using the size up when using a Fluence Modern in a multiscale guitar i.e. for a 7 string use an 8 string pickup. But there is no 9 string Open Core Modern for the 8 string PT Black Ops so they wouldn't be able to have consistency doing it that way. I have a Cort KX507 which is multiscale but uses the 7 string Moderns and I've found the blade of the bridge pickup doesn't fully cover the high e string...so using coil split, the high e is really quiet. But this is the only disadvantage and not many players buying a modern metal/djent guitar are going to care about the high e in coil split mode on the bridge pickup so I'm sure Schecter could have gotten away with slanting the pickup even without going up a size. I wonder if they will lose some sales because of this. Someone posted a link to prototype versions of these PTs and they had slanted Lundgren Black Heaven pickups so Schecter clearly considered this. Interesting solution would be to offer both these Fluence versions, and then passive versions too with the slanted Lundgren pickup. Would make more customers happy! Oh and would be cool for a long term review of the 8 string version. These models don't interest me so much as they don't have the ultra-thin neck but I am planning on putting one of those Open Core Moderns in my KM-7 so would be interesting to hear how they sound in various situations. The Tao-8 you have hanging on the wall back there...now that's something I am planning on getting in the near future!

[@nantan9453]

They were so close on this one!

[@calebafile4306]

Aesthetically, the pickup is a bit offputting, but sound-wise, I thought it was sick and pretty unique.

[@Numynumynumnumz]

Id assume the pickup was placed in that position to match or parellel the pickguard. Id think if they slanted it, may look more off putting? Maybe not but thats what id assume

[@daflepail]

love the finish!

[@carbonized_eyesockets]

Andrew, i always like to watch your guitar rewiews, but you never said about such very important characteristics as a balance and weight of guitar, i mean if there some neckdive or something other issues, also would be nice to see how it looks while playing in standing position. Not chritisism just suggestion for future videos.

[@rickc2102]

basically a StingRay for metal guitarists

[@nothanks3146]

Great review and it’s great they make a left handed version 👍

[@SIGMA-PHONIC]

That's the most 8 string looking 7 string guitar I've ever seen. Maybe Baena's hands are small. Either way it looks ok. Not great. Hope everyone has a good one! 🤘🤪👍

[@dustinayers8903]

Would like to see a video showing the difference if you fixed the pick up orientation to be corrected for the multi- scale.

[@BaenaCarcosa]

That would be a very intensive and costly mod project since it would involve filling in the existing route, painting it to match the original finish, then re-routing an entirely new cavity I don't really think that is viable

[@dustinayers8903]

@@BaenaCarcosa couldnt hurt to get a quote from a luthier. Plus its a business expense 😉

[@ronmuhleisen7117]

Watch you play it live. It sounds pretty good.👍

[@piq-dg3vz]

sheesh. schecter guitars becoming cooler and cooler every year.

[@scottwill19]

My wife left me

[@SIGMA-PHONIC]

Now you can buy more 🎸 🎸 🎸 🎸 🎸 🎸 🎸 🎸 🎸 🤘🤪👍

[@samueldanks2802]

Not surprised

[@TheAlexKelley]

GOBBLESS HOSS

[@chris_bern]

Keep your head up sir you deserve better

[@kenking8573]

DEB CUM BACK!

[@TheGooseChaseMusic]

I felt the same way about some of the Strandberg guitars with straight pickups on a multiscale, its definitely an acquired taste but not for me.

[@ryanf4278]

Awesome and in depth review man! Do you mind if I ask what gauge strings you are using for the drop G# tuning?

[@angelevert9294]

You probably answered this however what tuning was used for this Demo And String Guage. I wonder if you would consider doing video, on different floor effects , like Line 6 pod Go, vs Head Rush vs GT 100. if you have olease send me the link. Excellent work..,. Your wife left you.....Bro If She was truly your wife she would not have left you. Excellent work....

[@PlanetGenX]

Bro, that riff between the guitar and drums at 2:45 is fresh as fuck!!! Especially at 3:00 when your moving your head around with it. 🤣

[@tonyduhlump8019]

Definitely doesn't sound bad, just doesn't have that Meshuggah 'bounce' to the pick attack

[@SamBrockmann]

That's probably because Andrew isn't using Meshuggah's picks, lol

[@grafknusprig6775]

That way they could go with the 7 string pickup instead of the 8 string-sized one. And because of the tele look of course :D

[@trabuco_grosso]

vc toca pra caralho mano, gosto mt do som da tua banda

[@didtoknan8128]

I vote for your idea about the 8 string demo.

[@nickepp4078]

Yes! Tour guitar idea good.

[@Treggify]

It sounds different. I like it.

[@somanayr]

I’m wondering how the vertical pickup changes the ability to pick up pinch harmonics?

[@AaronMorgan666]

Damn dude. I'm sure the pickup placement will hurt the sales. Why? Flipping. Why?

[@amigo6859]

Brother, if you have time, I would like some knowledge on choosing a 7-inch guitar pickup for a guitar with a starting price. How should it start? Please help. 🙏🏻

[@shevinator727]

tone reminds me of Sanguisugabogg. Badass!

[@Shysleeves]

It's a tele, the pickup being slanted is part of the original design. That's at least what I'm guessing they're going for.

[@JosseMeza]

I have being waiting for this baby yeaaarss

[@EdisonPrime]

...and tele shape did not whisper pickup position idea :)

[@ericwinterspruce0110]

I think this guitar would work really well for a doom tone, the lower notes sound super beefy when they have a little room to breathe.

[@eggpod4567]

AGILE INTERCEPTOR PRO 827 EB CP FRT HS BLACK. Please get this 8 string and do a review. Has a floyd rose.

[@wanderergrim]

Maybe you should demo the ESP LTD Phoenix-7 if you get the chance

[@lukebramer3283]

I’m so down with literally every spec of this guitar besides the pickup angle. Oh well, what can you do

[@chrisnoel1864]

I'm looking to get my first seven string, would you recommend this or the Damien platinum? I like the Tele shape this one has but I want the best sounding guitar for my money. Any advice you could give would be greatly appreciated

[@JesterMasque]

Sporting the VCTMS jersey like an effin G

[@CoenBijpost]

I wonder if they’re targeting the doom crowd with this one. The tight low people will probably steer clear, but doom is full of fuzzy, bass heavy sludge anyways, right?

[@cascaveldeboina]

This guitar looks beautiful holy shit

[@Ryo7_7]

Looks awesome and I bet it plays even better. 🤘

[@billygwalthney369]

Nice!!! and love your 7 string vids

[@infinidominion]

So whens the giveaway for the second one?

[@zeblackcat9398]

My guess is they did the pickup placement there is both ease and to be different lol which I dig alot. I just don't like the headstock lol

[@Creature1009]

Schecter has the worst headstocks in the guitar game

[@kingu4120]

The pickup isn't slanted so you can actually swap it out

[@Gomcio]

How about accidently hitting pickup with a pick?

[@xuankhoi]

I hate that bridge pickup angle

[@Greyerst]

i love schecter

[@samueldanks2802]

What settings did you use for the guitar tone on the otto?

[@JUNK_ZONE]

Wow, throwback city.

[@Durkhead]

Best doom metal guitar?

[@CoenBijpost]

Yeah, probably the target audience. More bass in the low strings, more sludge.

[@walrider7210]

You gotta ask Schecter to send you the Hellraiser C-VI

[@CashCatz]

Slap a single coil in neck and that guitar is perfect.

[@phillipgraf5917]

Sounds fawkin gnar 🤘

[@lspguitar8024]

Sounds like a perfect electric guitar for Ektomorf and similar bands. With a pinch of Thall and Darkness. I'll keep an eye on this guitar. Thank you for this Video :)

[@ChaelaThompson]

I suppose the pickup placement is more like a van halen / strat style slant if this guitar wasnt fanned fret it would be in that vain. I personally loved how it sounded

[@TannerSingsSongs]

Repping VCTMS! Nice.

[@MrNightmarium]

Slanted pickups make it more difficult for an upgrade in the future. Maybe thats why

[@Shuhredded]

2:02 If you don't think this is deliciously heavy, you might need ear training. Like velvet tones

[@escapegulag4317]

nontheless I think with some thoughtful preEQ you can make this thing growl like any regular positioned bridge pickup. For people who only have a guitar amp to play through I would suggest a cheap EQ pedal that goes in front of the amp signal. mad props for making a guitar in this style. Tele multiscale just hits different.

[@puds9980]

What’s he playing in the demo?

[@BaenaCarcosa]

My old bands song I wrote. Galactic Pegasus - The Looking Glass

[@puds9980]

@@BaenaCarcosa thanks dude, sounds so good.

[@HEYZUS98]

Sounds stinky. I’ll take 12

[@francobuzzetti9424]

yes, sounds like a guitar !

[@SamBrockmann]

I think the real problem people have with this pickup is, they don't know how to both tighten up the low end and treat this guitar as if it's a mid frequency instrument. So many people want low end "snarl". Why? That just means your bass isn't tight enough. Listen to Meshuggah, arguably the masters of low tuned, wild riffs. The low end snarl comes from the bass, not the guitars.

[@lbonvillain-wm4ds]

Not a fan of this new 1 pickup trend companies are doing. And the fanned frets are weird. Other than that this things a beast

[@trentfairhurst531]

The fanned frets serve a purpose, they're not just there to look cool.

[@FyreGod]

Thank you for singlehandedly causing my girlfriend and bank account to hate me 😂😂😂😂