25 FPS Thermal Camera Test & Teardown: Vevor SC240M w/ Infiray C200 Sensor

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Lab Equipment: www.welectron.com/Lab-Equipment
00:00 Intro
01:07 Unboxing
01:53 Boot time
02:42 Durability
03:12 µelectronics
04:46 Display brightness
05:57 Recording
07:05 Summary
07:40 Teardown

[@reps]

If UVC webcam mode is what you are after, lookie lookie here www.eevblog.com/forum/thermal-imaging/vevor-sc240n-topdon-tc004-infiray-c200-hisilicon-hi3516dv300/

[@jimschofield8734]

Now that 30fps IR cameras are available, it is your duty to turn one into a 3D printable heat-seeking missile.

[@ericlotze7724]

*Open Source Patriot Missile When* ( /s though, dual use Open Source Technology is something I haven’t quite come to terms with yet oof)

[@float32]

Take two, turn then on at the same time, and you have 60fps! Do this with 1000 cameras an you have 1000fps! You’re welcome.

[@monad_tcp]

​@@float32now good luck synchronizing

[@solotekle2999]

Nowadays normal CV are better in this application than IR camera.

[@ericlotze7724]

@@solotekle2999 except in the dark or fog/clouds I’d imagine…

[@kennyfication88]

Two reps videos within two days? That must be a fever dream!

[@jimschofield8734]

Will we get a fabled country venture to harvest wild growing electronic components, perhaps?

[@Arsenic71]

@@jimschofield8734 Only if the dogs are up for it 😁

[@klab3929]

You're in a dream! WAKE UP!

[@setSCEtoAUX]

Several years back, I got a refurbished Agilent (with Keysight sticker) IR imager with visible sensor. It has a neato mechanical focus-and-parallax-adjusting mechanism so whenever you adjust the focus with one camera, the mechanism also focuses the other and aligns the images. You can choose to see the visible, IR, combined, or (I think) a sort of picture-in-picture setup. It's built beautifully like this Vevor and the *refurbished* price was around $600. I think it was $1200 new. (It also doubles as a club for subduing enemies.) Amazing what has appeared in just the past few years.

[@elFarto2]

Ah, it's that time of the month when Marco's hard drives are full and he has to push out all the videos :). BTW .h264 files are usually the raw H.264 bitstream with no container, although it's a bit odd to see a consumer product produce one as they're not the nicest files to work with.

[@DooMMasteR]

ffmpeg -i raw.h264 -c copy video.mp4

[@reecesx]

no, they're extrmely common in chinesium products.

[@michaeljohnson89]

That's the Hi Silicone chip doing that, natively. Usually used for CCTV cameras

[@pesterenan]

That's a really well-constructed piece of equipment and for it's functions, I think its priced right! All the improvements you mentioned could be done and the price raised accordingly in my opinion.

[@KeisoDrake]

Nothing like a fresh reps video to end the day

[@GeoffreyPitman523]

Or start the day. 8:30 am here

[@hobbified]

It's not in "some weird container", it's in *no* container. That's a raw H.264 stream, which is possible because it's video-only. But yeah, it would have been much easier for most people to deal with if they put it into an ISOBMFF ("MP4") container.

[@nnighthawk]

Thank you so much for the teardown. I have an Infiray C200 (very happy with it!) which has exactly the same outer casing, specs, functions and so on and I've been wondering how to open it, if it ever becomes necessary. Now I know, finally. I bought it about two years ago and I was a little too quick. Shortly after Infiray released an updated C210, that also offers live video output over USB, just like the Uni-T UTI260i.

[@MCsCreations]

Pretty interesting indeed! Thanks, Marco! 😃 I hope they make a version with adjustable lenses! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@CraigHollabaugh]

Cool, I just got one of these cameras and now I can see what's inside. Thanks MR!

[@namAehT]

Glad to know you're a fellow VoistarLabs enjoyer.

[@DouglasFish]

Zach just got called out by Marco. Happy worlds colliding

[@joshuavincent7884]

And abom79 in the last video

[@jjcc8379]

That support-heatsink was quite well made :o

[@andersburon1216]

Good god that was a good film peel. 10/10

[@JaenEngineering]

It might require milling down the heatsink a little, but I wonder if you could find a small Peltier TEC to go between the sensor and the heatsink?

[@adrasx6999]

Looks great. As you mentioned a few features are missing, but I doubt this is going to take a long time now that china is able to produce these image sensors

[@tolkienfan1972]

I didn't expect such high quality

[@ChrisMuncy]

Not one but TWO Marco Rep's videos in under 24 hours!

[@RohrAtom]

After buying a SC240N myself and taking it out with me on a bike ride at night I really feel your comment at 5:40 about AR thermal vision specs. It's amazing to play around with this camera. I have found that despite the supposedly limited temperature range of -20°C to 350°C, temperatures of almost 600°C can be measured with the SC240N (measured my toaster). In addition, the number of color palettes is limited with the SC240N. However, with the Infiray C200 software, you can read out the raw .irg files and select between 8 color palettes afterwards. Unfortunately, the seal on the lens cover of my camera was not inserted properly, so it swells out at the bottom and the IP54 rating is probably not met. That's why I'm currently in contact with customer service. Last but not least, I have a question about the lens. What is the recommended focal length for microelectronics? Edit: Vevor offered me a ~30 % refund and a focal length of 2 inches seems to be fine.

[@ionstorm66]

I have a Dogee s98Pro for my phone. It has the same sensor built in, and ironically my only issue with the phone is the visible light cameras are straight out of 2005! The thermal camera is amazing though.

[@TheBackyardChemist]

I would love to see what this sensor could do with a Peltier cooler

[@davidgunther8428]

They don't already have one integrated into it?

[@bardenegri21]

I have the phone version and it has a focus ring. I absolutely love it, best purchase recently.

[@JonWhitton]

You missed the AvE style Stanley knife scraping on the plastic! Nylon or fibre reinforced? Great video, thanks Marco

[@en2oh]

Great video! Vevor often had high quality at excellent prices.

[@Aparviel]

I own one made by infiray itself - infiray C200 Pro. It's 1 to 1 outside, but in red-grey colors and ir resolution is a bit higher - 256x192. And there is a myriad of IR cameras by different brands with same hardware in and out. I guess infiray is just not shy of giving this device to any brand for it to stick it's own sticker on top

[@honumoorea873]

Do you have any firmware for your c200. Pro...? I got one but only in Chinese.... 😂 and would like to flash an international firmware. Would be great if you could makes it available. Thanks

[@Aparviel]

@@honumoorea873 if you know the way to export it without teardown of the device I can do it. When I searched about it few months ago the only way was to take it apart, which I don't want to bother. Other than in device memory I don't have any firmware, but saw a few direct dumps on eevblog forum

[@IanScottJohnston]

Physically identical to my Topdon TC004 but from what I can see the Vevor SC240M IR sensor res is 240x180 whilst the TC004 is 256x192. There are quite a few in this category, all sooo much alike and quoting different resolutions, and who knows who actually makes the hardware? FYI TC004 boot time = 28secs. PS. Be nice to see Mr. Marco Reps compare the two.......

[@The_Paya]

You can probably workaround the h264 files, skipping transcoding, by putting it in a container google mp4box and/or mkvmerge (prefer mkvmerge) and use the h264 as the video stream to output a .mp4 or .mkv that should be open-able by any video editor.

[@Axman6]

ffmpeg is definitely the goto tool for this IMO - ffmpeg -i yourvideo.h264 -codec copy output.mp4

[@PeterBrockie]

Thanks for reminding me I bought one of those Infiray phone dongles, took a video of the cats with it and promptly put it somewhere - now I can't find it. :P

[@LanceThumping]

As other comments have said, you should use ffmpeg (or MKVMerge) to wrap the file in a standard MKV and it should fix the issue without losing data to transcoding.

[@WaffleStaffel]

Very nice, I'm glowing pseudocolor white with envy. I'm guessing the die cast frame is actually a zinc alloy.

[@schmidtyschmidty5118]

Vevor makes literally everything it's wild.

[@aurorajunior6328]

Love the voidstar lab shoutout lol

[@piconano]

That's some serious engineering.

[@CraigHollabaugh]

Thanks for the hedgehog snippet, I think I need to take my camera while walking the dog at night as skunk lookout.

[@dpsilver1]

i recently bought a Vevor 10HP VDF it has got to be one of the chonkiest VFDs i have ever held, and that chonkiess was due to a massive aluminium heat sink internally really surprising quality for the price, because it was less than $200USD

[@ziginox]

The whole Infiray thing is neat. I've been waiting on thermal cameras to drop in price and go up in resolution for a very long time. It's great we're FINALLY reaching commoditization. I wish I had seen this video before buying the P2 Pro, as the SC240M is a bit cheaper here in the US. That being said, the ability to use the P2 Pro on a computer is very nice. It's also absolutely TINY! So far I've been pretty impressed with it, aside from my first unit having weird issues and eventually failing. The second one has been flawless, though. Been using it to hunt down issues in an early switch mode power supply in an old Solartron multimeter, as well as reveal moisture in walls after a recent flood. Regarding the visible light camera and MSX-like functionality, it's almost not required. With the thermal imager being so high res, it's not at all difficult to make out features that FLIR units need MSX for.

[@davidgunther8428]

Curious that another channel just got the smartphone dongle version, too. These must have just released for sale! The phone version is very appealing to me, although this stand-alone product looks very well made.

[@ileile]

Hahaha, it took me quite a time to solve the screw puzzle. Incredible rubber engineering

[@coolfrost6]

There is a guy on the eevblog forum that has made pc software for the infiray dongles that gives full control. I just haven't found a eu distributor of infiray.

[@yeet1337]

So when are you going to do the video on a DIY IR-guided missile now?

[@lorddonpromillo4836]

Yes! New Video

[@vladislavivanov2511]

6:29 the video file format is probably a raw h264 stream without a container

[@magnusriemer7059]

Are you going to make that automatic tool changer for your CNC yet?

[@RoboCNCnl]

Looks like a very nice product for the price ! Interesting

[@Username-qx9gk]

How many cycles are the calibration shutters rated for? How often does it use the shutter?

[@leavoa]

love the @VoidStar shoutout!

[@flpsht]

I have the P2 dongle, but without the extra clip on macro lens. Still, its a fantastic tool!

[@sokauo]

I hesitate with the smart phone one, can you see in black and white with this one?

[@DasIllu]

I really don't need one, but now i want one 😀 Maybe one day i get back into the clicky rooms in factories.

[@_DSch]

Would be interesting to reverse engineer the binary thats running on it and putting openipc on it to reduce the boottime and add other features like usb/wifi streaming

[@lachee3055]

hehehehe voidstar lab display, nice reference

[@DurzoBlunts]

A visor eye goggle setup would be ridiculously cool for night time dog walks not gonna lie!!!

[@ericlotze7724]

My votes go for a “Project Northstar” type Open Source Augmented Reality Head Mounted Display, or go something goofy like a Avegant Glyph (which I’d LOVE a teardown of), or a Google Glass / Voidstar Labs type thing.

[@lord1alf]

Was the shown IR Software ThermoVision_JoeC used with the suggested Inifiray P2 or with a Seek Sensor? Is there a trick to get the Infiray working under the Software, because out of the Box mine didnt work :)

[@QsTechService1]

Pretty nice review ... what do you recommend for a Thermo camera For viewing circuit boards smaller components ?

[@pyromen321]

I have a UTI260B w/ clip-on macro lens. You can occasionally get them on sale for $200 US, and the macro lens is like $20

[@QsTechService1]

@@pyromen321 Okay I look into it thanks

[@hoivien3001]

Hi, Anyone know how this SC240M compare with UTi260B?

[@Mr.Unacceptable]

I've always gotten along with alcohol and freeze spray. Though an IR camera would be a nice luxury. If you buy the gum remover sold to carpet cleaners freeze spray is WAY cheaper. Find a janitorial supply and buy a case of a dozen.

[@largerification]

Just asking... have you tried connecting it to USB, without the SC card plugged in?

[@platin2148]

Hmm do they also give out the pins outs?

[@qwewer6]

Would you ask for a review sample of T2S+ from InfiRay?

[@MsAsldfkj]

Looks good will have to pick one up. Hopefully not a bait and switch at that price.

[@ShrimpyMaster]

How often does it it recalibrates? My is like 3-5 times recalibrating at start.

[@davidniquot6423]

Hello, do you have an idea why the Vevor is advertised as a 240x180 pixels while the C200 or Topdon are advertised as 240x192 ... pixels ...

[@nonamesi]

This sure looks like a rebranded A-BF RX680 I bought couple of years ago.

[@MrMilarepa108]

Yes, but how many ppms does it have?

[@furmek]

This video is not like other Marco Reps content. No info about UX - what about software on that thing? - can you define what temperature range you want to see (ie: let something very hot in in frame to be out of scale and focus only on stuff between say 10 and 20C)? - can you change color scheme - how often does mechanical shutter activate to calibrate this thing Thermal cameras from Asia with 25fps aren't a new thing, just look at what HTI offers. Looks like HT-301 is very similar to T3S-Pro.

[@RohrAtom]

I can answer some questions. - The temperature range can only be defined afterwards via software. - The SC240N offers 4 color palettes vs. SC240N with 7 color palettes. - After booting it calibrates every few seconds. The frequency decreases like a decay function and with longer operation time it happens only occasionally. But you can also do it yourself if you want to.

[@andymouse]

High construction standards indeed....cheers

[@Alex4n3r]

Has anyone managed to find the difference to the orignal from Infiray with 256x192@25Hz? Can the Infiray firmware be used to upgrade Vevor?

[@Methos121]

Who is the manufacturer of the sensors? I want to buy the sensor and connect it with a RPI

[@planker]

Excellent. I need to bolt one of those to my robot,

[@GustavoPinho89]

7:13 your AC only cools down the ceiling 😂😂😂

[@danedwards_ee]

Holy crap, I bought this last winter for our company for electronics work. Macro would be nice but it works really well. We bought the infiray C200 Pro. This is clearly a white label version. I'm blown away by the build quality inside.

[@conto7032]

Dude that is exactly what i was looking for. now hope you didn't get special one of reviewer model.

[@thecatofnineswords]

A screw on macro lend would be a good addition indeed, but may only appear on higher end models. Nice looking widget!

[@Oheng75]

I cursed at you when you dropped the IR on the floor lol

[@tcurdt]

"Record the frequency: Yes / No?" Is that the yes/no for the visible light?

[@74357175]

Has anyone figured out what the image "Alignment" settings (0.5 -- 3.0) mean?

[@Stuzakratki]

8:54 UJ got me dead 💀

[@plueschAMAZONE]

Vevor is like ACME, isnt it?! From Vevor i've got an rig for my simracing-wheel :D

[@xDevscom_EE]

Nice 1281 :)

[@reps]

I kinda wish it was one :)

[@gnag106]

Hi how you can make videos from camera vevor? I have buy and u can first photo (little quality pixels). How you can record video from these termal camera???, please helped me fast

[@RohrAtom]

SC240N or SC240M?

[@thermaljiang6437]

Hello Marco，have you tested our T3S thermal camera, it is better

[@thermaljiang6437]

Could you reply me, sir

[@godfreypoon5148]

More like a Marco lens, am I right?

[@ericlotze7724]

8:06 When are you getting (or making…an Open Source…) Industrial CT Scanner? Oh the reverse engineering one could do! Those pesky X-Rays do love messing with all my cells though…

[@RobertSzasz]

I wonder why it seems like nobody has gone the route of using a hot/cold mirror to physically allign a visible and thermal IR sensor

[@qwerty123443wifi]

I thought that vevor was just a cheap dropshipping company, but I'm surprised to see they actually make decent tools!

[@oliverer3]

They can be a bit hit or miss, some of their stuff is definitely just rebranded low cost things, but they do also have a good amount of things made to their specification that's oddly good value for money. It's a weird shopping experience because you can never be quite sure what you're getting. Also quite funny when you're browsing for a thermal camera or something and they suddenly recommend you a fully automatic donut making machine.

[@amogusenjoyer]

@@oliverer3 yeah I bought one of their water distiller and it didn't even turn on..weird support experience too. But then I watch this video and I'm like... They make thermal imaging equipment?!

[@leosbagoftricks3732]

And it needs a 1/4-20 female thread at the base of the handle, so you can pop it on a cheap tripod.

[@Sw3d15h_F1s4]

TWO VIDEOS??? idk if I can handle this

[@danielegger6460]

Boot time doesn't seem that far off from my FLIR imager...

[@ame7165]

I hate a flir e5 i hacked to full resolution, and while 320x240 is WAY better than what it was stock, that frame rate is just unbearable. I always wondered why, but now I know thank to you! danke

[@AlexServirog]

Heat sinking on thermal module is weird, thermal pad contacts ribbon cable, not the module itself

[@graealex]

I like the video, but I miss the "Promoted" popup box.

[@octapc]

I have a Seek and I feel inadequate now

[@SidneyCritic]

I wonder what it's like against a Flir handheld, ie, if it's image is the same it's a massive bargain.

[@X4Alpha4X]

"how does this only cost $300?" because all of the items that cost $800+ don't actually cost $800+. You are probably spot on the money that this thing is priced with thin margins to get its name out there. Half the cost is probably in the die cast aluminum and thermal sensor. everything else is pennies and dollars

[@erebostd]

I don’t know about these things with integrated battery… how about a TOPDON TC001? No battery, usb c (yes, you need your phone, but more resolution and your phone surely has a bigger display) 😉 PS: because it’s USB it works with nearly every OS. I just bought one and i think it will replace my older FLIR system…oh, and it even has some monitoring functionality my flir obviously hadn’t. And it’s even cheaper than your standalone device, you can get it for 210-230€

[@ericlotze7724]

One of those Ruggedized phones from China had thermal cameras with high fps, and the reviewers were thinking they were overocking some chipset, neat that it may be this!

[@mattmanyam]

There was a "CAT" (i.e. from the Caterpillar Heavy Equipment Co) branded one here for a bit (USA) and must be abroad some, too, as Big Clive used it in a bunch of his videos. I can't recall who the oem was for it, though...

[@ericlotze7724]

@@mattmanyam Similar concept. The one i was thinking of was the “AGM Glory Pro” along with maybe a few other similar ones.

[@mattmanyam]

@@ericlotze7724 gotchya.

[@dreamcat4]

hey reps - take it from me that the P2 Pro is not the right one to get... the T2L is better version and it does not cost so much more from the right aliexpress seller(s). Often the price is reduced now and again. After the T2L then next step up is to get their T3S (aka T3Pro). Which is the correct successor to the T2L, just with their newer sensor. However T3S is unfortunately too expensive ATM. Since it is still relatively new out on the market.

[@ericlotze7724]

Now can we get a cheap Heat Seeking Anti-Air Missile is the question…

[@md4luckycharms]

2 Reps videos within a day??