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My guest today is someone I consider an important teacher in my life, Stephen Jenkinson. He is a cultural activist, he is a farmer and a philosopher. He is the author of a number of books including some that are my favourites. He presents life as it really is and because he has worked with the dying for so many years, he attempts to anchor us in the reality of where we are. There isn't a time that we need this more.
This might not appear to be a very cheerful conversation but if you understand my work, I expect to have one of the most cheerful conversations about the reality of where we are today. This is definitely an important moment in my life when I meet one of my teachers.
Stephen Jenkinson is an author, a farmer and a philosopher. He has years of experience as a palliative care worker and is a former programme director at a major Canadian hospital. Stephen has Master’s degrees from Harvard University (Theology) and the University of Toronto (Social Work). He is also a co-founder of The Orphan Wisdom School.
Listen as we discuss:
- Tie your camel
- The internal shift
- A Wondering Dervish
- A useful compromise
- The human struggle
- Is it too late?
- Finding peace
- The answer is asking the right question
- Hunger for money
- What the soul needs
- The spirit work
- From awful to awe
- A drop of the Divine in us all
- Gilgamesh
- More God than you need?
Find out more about Stephen Jenkinson and his work here.
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1:00 Guest Intro
3:08 Episode
52:55 Outro

[@nathananderson8720]

This is one of the channels that gave me the courage to start my KZbin channel 6 months ago about self development. Now I have 405 subs and > 100 hours of watch time. I know it’s not comparable with others but I’m still proud I started because I’ve been learning so many lessonsÀ we that I couldn’t have learned without getting started in the 1st place.

[@Mark_13-37]

Nice one my brother

[@nathananderson8720]

@@Mark_13-37 Whoever you are, I don't know you personally but I can say that you're one of the non-judgmental and open-minded people who is not fixated on tangible or external factors in order to learn from someone like me. Just because someone doesn't have a piece of paper as a credential, doesn't mean that person is not entitled to share personal experiences with the hope & intention to inspire others. Keep up with whatever it is that you're doing to improve mankind or improving your life even to a slight degree each day. This is just one part of a bigger puzzle for creating my KZbin channel about holistic health. I literally could have died back when I was 14 years old due to major depression but here I am right now replying to you, a KZbinr, who's full of fulfillment and dedication to help others to be a better version of themselves. I ain't better than anyone else but my old self. That's all that really makes this KZbin thing more meaningful and enjoyable. Thanks so much for your support! I am hoping that you can join me with this endless personal development journey! :)

[@aldamcmillan4632]

Such a beautiful contrarian, oh Canadian. Love this interview. Thank you.

[@erowan1389]

Happy belated Father's Day Mo. I just found you a week ago due to your videos about being happy. I lost my dad when he was 52 and I know you lost Ali. He was lucky to have you as a father, even if for a short time. I know my dad would be angry if I was sad every time I thought of him, so maybe Ali would always want you to smile and laugh when thinking of him. I don't know you, but much love to you.

[@monib.9102]

.... just yesterday it crossed my mind how interesting would be fór you two to meet Ánd us to listen to . WOW my wish come true Ánd expectation delivered . I am following Mr. S Jenkinson fór only few days and seem to struggle to grasp the content at the time , not only because my English is not as great but the depth of the thoughts . Am so great for those KZbin videos 🙏❤️ thank you . I feel strange to be thankful for the delivered message that explains our gloomy near end ... or jus grateful for confirming my feelings which come by instinct . I wish the world would listen to people like you ...instead of endless nonsense. 🙏

[@kathrynwilliams7148]

Oh My! Very digestible! Very eloquent! Cheerful in the sense that is familiar and actually grounding in that it addresses what is in front of us now.

[@EeDuncStar]

AI meets eldership in the quality of the question! Thank you Mo and Stephen. I particularly value Stephen's other book Come of Age: The Case for Elderhood in a Time of Trouble, one that's definitely worth reading.

[@alysdelglyn5299]

My new BBF! Mo Gawdat I have conversations with you every day. My life is being deeply enriched by all of the conversations you have with so many brilliant people. Thank you for the enrichment of life and the deep joy of understandings. Every conversation is the perfect gift at the perfect time. Thank you.

[@ildus48]

Thank you for your video, it is just so very relaxing, freeing to listen wise, inteligent people❤ A listener from Hungary

[@Mark_13-37]

A Hungarian listener from Sheffield UK :) Bőségesen boldog újévet kívánok ;)

[@oceanbreathyogawellness4487]

I am so happy to know that Stephens words reach into your awareness. He is someone who speaks a truth that many find too uncomfortable to hear and yet the flow like poetry that is a balm to a world that seems to want to slice us with a million small cuts. This is a funny moment for me. Seeing him noticed for his wisdom and elderhood is so wonderful and yet I find myself wondering if this might upset the intimacy of the many live events that leave me feeling like part of a loving family. Thank you Mo Gawdat.

[@boombot934]

Thank❤🌹🙏 you for intresting conversation😊

[@elizabethjansenvanvuuren6665]

Thank you Mo and Stephen Jenkinson for this conversation which is timely, needed, and indeed may move us to necessary tears and whatever lies beyond. Looking forward to re-listening, and to Part 2.

[@elizabethjansenvanvuuren6665]

And, there is an aspect to be explored here, Mr Gawdat, to do with what has happened in our way of understanding ourselves and god and our world, which relates to masculine and feminine, to vertical and horizontal spirituality, to a disembodied god and ultimate reality and an embodied life and spirituality, which also leads to reflection on what is called artificial intelligence. And it's separation from the wisdom of our bodies, the earth and our fellow beings, to which our earlier ancestors, for example the San/Bushmen here in South Africa, had direct access. in the story of Western culture, the burning of witches and much that went along with that, earlier and later, like the turning of the home of the Earth goddess (who invites us to embrace our mortality) into a place called hell, is part of that story too. Maybe it all had to happen - who knows - here we are now. In a pickle.

[@dickiebird6526]

i am living ideas that are the result of my questions during 82 years of a lifetime. I offer here 2 ideas learned and deepened during my 22 yearly Sundances .Most influential is the idea my continuing ever-present condition and responsibility as a human being is to live knowing that I am born a "Determiner" of energy as I make my decisions. Next idea offered and taught is that it may be better that I do not believe anything, because belief indicates the end of enquiry as though I might bet my life on an idea, Self importance has caused me a lot of extra work so I intend to become more efficient by staying in inquiry.- snowbearbird

[@carlosgarmiza8567]

Thanks a lot for the inspiration. Stephen's ideas are the perfect combination of spirituality and reality. No religious fantasy, only consciousness arose.

[@yanuszg]

Absolutely brilliant - Stephen wisdom departs complitely from platforms of so call spiritual influencers floating in digital soace! So greatfull to finally hear someone who has profoumd wisdom without being cunny. Thanks Mo for bringing it up ! I would like to see your face after conversation with another brilliant man - Shunyamurti from Sat Yoga ! We need those kind of teachers to bring Creation to Creator!

[@mrrecluse7002]

All this wisdom would hurt my head, if it wasn't so wonderful. Thank you.

[@ReflectionsofLife]

A beautiful conversation - thank you for making our lives richer. Lots of love from the bottom tip of Africa 💚

[@Discerning.369]

What drew me to this particular podcast was the heading, "how to find peace by asking the right questions". I have been thinking about the notion of question asking and the role it plays in shaping how we interface with others, our actions, beliefs, 'truth', character and so forth....thank you Mo for your dedication and patience in bringing others along on this journey. Stephen thank you for sharing your musings. Thank you.

[@ishtzedek]

Wow wow wow what a potent converstation.

[@xikano8573]

26:00 Whooooaaaa...🧠💣💥💨!!!

[@yeahweburnstuff]

First time here and I say, Thank You! 🙏

[@cutetillypup]

I really enjoyed this conversation..we need a cold dose of reality to wake us up. My fear for humanity is that we have not managed to move beyond domination to cooperation ..the ship is sinking but we argue about the whether there is a hole at all..whose job it is to fix the hole ..which is the best position on the ship..even though , all on the ship will be affected 😅

[@dynamike201]

Thx for a inspiring talk. Particularly the need by God for the humane properties to be acted upon by humanity (both on a individual and group level) in this world is a powerful lifeline in times of crises. ❤❤

[@brigitakralj6399]

Love💖🥰💖💖💖💖💖💖

[@johnmckay2340]

If Willie Nelson ever needed a double this guy is it

[@oceanbreathyogawellness4487]

If anyone is in Vancouver Canada this September 17th come to Stephens show Nights of Grief and Mystery it is sublime and never the same.

[@corqMcc]

I’m interested. Where will this be held do you know?

[@farahfoulla]

What an inspiring conversation. Thank you❤

[@helenfenig5659]

Wonderful....indeed....thank uhx

[@madderhouse]

Wow. Elegant in defeat - carry yourself in the world as if your mastery is an accident you've grown to overcome.

[@madderhouse]

As if defeat tenderizes us to maturity and gentle wisdom.

[@madderhouse]

Grace beyond hope

[@paulburgess5111]

Mo! Your an amazing host. Hope the show grows more and more

[@furahinitluway8543]

Profound insights❤

[@amirawahby2912]

Thank you for an interesting conversation which would lead you to find peace and remember that God loves you

[@cbrashsorensen]

Wonder if Mo was able to "hear" Stephen say that TECHNOLOGY WILL NOT save humanity?

[@soniahazy4880]

🪷🎼🤩🌟🌈🧩🦋🙏🛸💎

[@HoiBooey-wg5kr]

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[@marcek9910]

Hmm...the host wanted to be kind to the ears of the listeners by not stating that we are in a difficult time? Am I being talked dumb / talked down to as listener?

[@aurorastorm9842]

Some are wheat some are tares. Now he is coming for the Harvest .

[@angelrojo6466]

A lot of lamenting over climate change from two guys who seem to fly around in airplanes quite often. 🤔

[@cg000gc]

Mr. Gawdat, you don't deserve your guest. If you want to make a difference in the world, do not make an entertainment show, but speak up your mind and be sincere and direct like Mr. Jenkinson. You just want to tell stories while the world is coming to an end. And your stories sound fake.