(269) The Merrimac Experiment (Starfleet's FAILED Attempt At An Excelsior Style Constitution Class!)

[@dramonmaster222]

Even a failed experiment is an opportunity for learning.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Exactly!

[@randybentley2633]

If the Excalibur class from STO is any indication, the technology simply wasn't there yet, but when it was, Starfleet ran with it.

[@Armand79th]

"There are no lessons in victory, only in defeat."

[@danielharman572]

Thomas Edison and his light bulb experiments prove that there is truth to what you've said.

[@AstoundingCameron]

An excelsior/constitution hybrid…I think I’m in love

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Awwwww, well make sure you send me an E-vite to the wedding, or an E-vite to the stalking Court hearing :P

[@AstoundingCameron]

@ 😂😂😂

[@Zeithri]

There's one in STO for you to take. I believe it's called the Vesper class.

[@aj_chan]

Adjunct: Admiral, Id like you to consider the *Merrimack* Class." Admiral: I'll need to *Monitor* this closely

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

LOL I see what you did there!~

[@michaelk151]

Tsk tsk - Approval needed from a possible Badmiral.

[@jimhills1920]

“We honor your Endeavor, Horatio.”

[@rkirk]

This channel is definitely for the fans who like obsessing over details, and I appreciate that. I've been binge-watching it every night for a week.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you SO much, Im glad you're enjoying my content :)

[@weirdkitty07]

The Merrimack reminds me of some of the Starlog and FASA inspired designs from conventions, including the fan works of Jackill.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you... I think! LOL

[@kristopherkingston6309]

This feels like the step between the coni and the Excelsior class. much like the ambassador is the step between excelsior and galaxy. (including the Andrew p design)

[@majinjones4565]

I love almost everything about her. I would have thought the engineers would have stream lined or tightened up the Impulse engine and housing feel like it took away from the elegant design flow the rest of her had. Great Video and Story as always Nerd Approved!!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you so much! And like the video says, it was both hastily thrown together and the actual final design would not have resembled this ship exactly, but would have had a streamlined design!

[@almirria6753]

You have done another wonderful vid & thank you for them all. Just remember not every ship is going to be a great design, a lot of them could end up being very cruddy or even down outright ugly

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you, and yes, that's part of how I keep history more realistic on this channel, by showing that not everything is pretty or even successful for Starfleet!

[@adamprellwitz7046]

The story you crafted in this video sounds like it would lead into the Excelsior class refit nicely. A forgotten stepping stone between the Excelsior herself and the Enterprise-B.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you very much :)

[@ThomasFisher-jr6bn]

I think a Refit Constitution/Excelsior hybrid starship might've made for a good Enterprise A in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. Perhaps not the one in this video, but you know what I mean.

[@themainSign]

This would’ve fit perfectly into the dominion war kit bashes. Well done 👍 if you haven’t seen the Uss Tereshkova (oberth with a Connie nacelle hull) this is what it kinda reminds me of

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you so much!

[@cjadams7434]

VERY COOL! - i enjoyed this.. I think my favorite ship might be the ROSS class Galaxy refit overall.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you! And I love the Ross Class variant!

[@MikeSwift.v1]

Excellent! I really like this ship and how it fits in canon!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you very much!

[@timkaase6945]

This ship looks AWESOME! I would like to build this starship out of cardboard after the next year

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Niice! Thank you!

[@tommystone4563]

I like the looks...

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you!

[@stevenewman1393]

🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely greatly well done and nicely well informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided on the the Experimental Merrimac Class Starship of an Excelsior Saucer & Nacelles and a Constitution Secondary Hull Body, Neck & Struts combination version, A job very nicely fabulously well done indeed Sir!👌.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you kindly! Glad you enjoyed it :)

[@jasonparis5635]

​@@TriAngulumAudioStudiosyou sir are a genius when it comes to great Star trek ship designs

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Awwww thank you! :)

[@matthewknobel6954]

I always wondered what it would be like to have a standard secondary hull with different primary. Imagine a Ent-D that was shaped for cargo, one for truely for exploration, or one made for war. The war variant I could see with a second warp core for only powering weapons and shields

[@sugartbube]

It still amazes me how fans can come up with better stuff than Paramount

[@FixableCell]

Great video! I think that the secondary hull looks a bit weird compared to the nacelles and saucer but i do like the idea behind this ship, maybe a slightly thicker neck would fix this design, the design reminds be a little bit of the ambassador class

[@HMSVanguard46]

I wish a star ship would bare the name Vanguard or Warspite..i wonder what classes they would be

[@Biblicallyaccurateseal]

Theres apparently a sovereign class vanguard in beta canon

[@UniversalChallenge4454]

As I kid i came up with a vanguard class

[@RamielNagisa]

…wasn’t Warspite an Excelsior class? Or, hilariously, an Ambassador class?

[@jongreen1185]

Shorter nacelles (less warp coils) would give the ship a better sense of balance. Maybe a flare from neck to saucer so the two sections flow together more as well.

[@dxcouch]

I like it, it looks like it would be a real potential refit for the Connie 2

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you!

[@geographicaloddity2]

Failed experiment maybe but I like the way those nacelles look. I'm reminded of Jacob Carter when he said you can't just slap a USAF sticker on a Goa'uld Death Glider. Ditto Excelsior nacelles and warp core on a Constitution class refit.

[@XHunter442]

TY for the video and LLAP!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

You're very welcome :)

[@ThatMetalheadMan]

But then there is that one from STO. Vespa class I think it was called? One of the medium cruiser variants, that kind of look just like a mini-Excelsior. I always liked that thing.

[@charliepotatoes001]

Although the design would be unmanageable and power deficient at warp speeds. I'm sure it ran circles around most Starships at impulse (Sub-Light) maneuvers.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

LOL I see what you did there! :P

[@michaelmacleod6517]

I always liked the idea of Enterprise A being an Excelsior.

[@Klaevkhar]

This fits exactly with what I would want in an ultimate Admirals Dreadnaught star trek version, upgrading hulls with new tech sorta idea....anyone whos played it might get my idea...

[@johntate1360]

I love the ship look and cool story.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you SO much! :)

[@MaxYAVIN]

I love the TMP aesthetic so I guess would have tried the same (if I was a Starfleet Admiral) - giving the Constitution refit new life with Excelsior technology. But the outcome of this experiment makes a lot sense!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thanks, I Try!

[@MaxYAVIN]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudiosSo the Constitution Class neck is a possible explanation for being phased out of Starfleet (and the Miranda class being better to upgrade)?

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Well no, at the Battle of Wolf 359 there were at least 3 Constitution Class ships there, meaning that they werent phased out until after that battle, probably due to the classes age more than anything!

[@stitch626aloha]

The Excelsior CLASS and the Miranda class are pretty much the B52 of Starfleet. They both served well into the 2400s, and do so with such admirable aplomb that many ADMIRALS would go ON RECORD to state -- WITHOUT HESITATION, mind you!! -- those two classes were the ones they would take into any combat without any hesitation at all. I prefer the Connie Refit, but the Merrimac Class has something about it that makes me want it in STAR TREK: Online

[@TheFlyingSailorYT]

An example of putting Formula 1 components into a compact commuter grade car.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

LOL Something like that LOL

[@bjturon]

Looks very sharp 👍

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you!

[@Amathaeon]

why do i hear Great Big Sea's Mari Mac in my head when i looked at the title, great Video btw. keep them coming

[@dennisud]

Interesting concept!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you!

[@phoenixheart79]

I wonder how many of that old guard ended up at Starbase 80 - maybe that's where its jubious reputation comes from!

[@Alphaspartan26]

1:10 It's smiling at us!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

LOL

[@mickeyford65]

Would have been a nice-looking ship. As always, another great video.

[@Palmerrip]

I kit bashed together a printed 3D model of a Connie with a Miranda saucer a few years ago. Would like to see what you might do with that idea. Call it the Kent-class and have them named after the counties in the UK.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

You never know what the future holds ;)

[@emilmlodnicki3835]

3:34, I see a Detroyat in the shadows.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

It's always lurking... LOL

[@Isteak80]

Constelsior? Execeltitution? Either way, at least visually it works a lot better than I would think it would haha.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Ill take that as a compliment :)

[@paulcastillo1310]

This was a cool video and more videos like this one please

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you and noted! :)

[@sjTHEfirst]

Again, if they had only included a pool and bowling alley, the ship would not have failed. When will Starfleet learn!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

When will Starfleet Learn Indeed! lol

[@christiankolbesberger2980]

Looks good, however the Oberth of Prey is still my favorite Fail

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

So farrrrrrr....... ;)

[@christiankolbesberger2980]

Sounds like you got lots of new Stories for us good Trinairies OvO

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

I havent even scratched the surface of starship classes yet!

[@sugartbube]

Makes me think of the YF17 jet fighter what lost to the F16 Falcon but part would be use to become the F18 Hornet

[@Arms872]

I had a strong like this in my head cannon. Your version is better!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you!

[@nicholasmaude6906]

6:25 - I never, ever liked the new warp-factor scale as it didn't make sense (IMO the writers felt like they were pulling out warp-factors out of their arses).

[@darthdrezz9237]

If only the makers of trek had half of your creativity, we might of got better shows.🤔🥰 (excluding Lower decks as the writers seem to actually love Trek). On topic, The Enterprise C was always my favorite of a reimagined Constitution class. to bad we never got to see more of it.😮‍💨

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you so much! And I too love the Ambassador Class, but there's still a lot of time to see more of her ;)

[@travislogan1482]

I do love a good Kitbash. Does anyone know if we have a Miranda/Nebula/Centaur style ship class using the Ambassador Class parts as a base? Seems odd we don't have one, at least I've haven't seen one.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

I have a few, simply havent gotten around to fixing them up to create videos ;)

[@Vanessinha91Pucca]

Get one of the countless Constitutions Strip it down to it's Chassi Dump Excelsior class parts The idea is good but well...

[@acebrandon3522]

An ugly duckling for sure, but on the other hand. The Fleet Engineers were on the right track.

[@anthonylowder6687]

With all these failed designs I wonder how many credits did Starfleet and the Federation lose…..must have been in the trillions!!!!!💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

The economics of the future, are somewhat different... There's no money!

[@aaronatwood9298]

I, strangely, think its prettier than Excelsior.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Im honored!

[@45580677]

Looking at the class I can't help but get Defiant class issues vibes

[@Mrpurple75]

I like to design starships to relax. How do you get that aztec surface? Also when you say old warp scale the only one I remember is the old warp 6 is the new warp 5. Is there a sliding scale for speeds?

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

I get the Aztec Effect by laying a Spec Map (In pinks and blues) under Main Texture Map and setting it to do the reflection of light. And yes, the New Warp Scale is an exponential one, which means the higher the warp factor the bigger the increase in speed, very different than the Old Warp Scale!

[@Mrpurple75]

​@@TriAngulumAudioStudiosI'm sorry, your answer is all buzzes and clicks, totally alien to me😂. I make my ships in 3d builder and hunt and peck with two fingers, I'm NOT savvy at all but I hope your answer helps others that understand Trinary speak😅 thanks for replying

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

That's too bad :( But good luck with your future builds :)

[@dominik8005]

like this video very much

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thanks again Dom :)

[@The1ReviewBoard]

I’m kind of drawn to this variant.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Careful, she'll chew you up and spit you out! :P

[@The1ReviewBoard]

She’s a man-eater! LOL. Upon watching this, what if a Shangri-La had been tested with Excelsior components?

[@Achilles483]

Have you ever done a video purely in the NX-01 refit?

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Yes I have! kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaKai2ymj8-Yhbs

[@Achilles483]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudiosawesome. Thanks!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

No problem!

[@sixsamuraiunitedsixsamurai8640]

nice

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thanks!

[@Cauin450]

Of course you're going to get special requests, it your own fault for being good at this!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Damn Me! LOL :P

[@Cauin450]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios On a personal note, I'd love to see your take on a successor to the Universe class, the Infinity class or something like that. That would probably dwarf the Universe class and its mission is to find the edge of the evolving universe and take a peek over the edge to see is Kaos waves at them!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Well considering that Starfleet and the federation has yet in Canon to actually travel to another Galaxy, the idea of a successor to the universe Class taking on a Stargate Universe Style plot is very unlikely for a long time in Trek!

[@Cauin450]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Which is why I'm talking to you about inventing it. Don't worry, I haven't forgotten about the Burn. You could call this another timeline where the burn didn't happen and you could have it all to yourself.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

I don't create Timelines for Star Trek, I merely report on existing ones in the Canon Multiverse!

[@Joesmith-xt4ky]

what is the ship @2:19

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

It's the Stingray Class, here's my video on it! kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZpbMZJp7ptySZ7c

[@glennlaroche1524]

The Excelstitution class ghehehe

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Lol that's a mouthful! Lol

[@bearprower]

Not a bad looking ship

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

I know right? Thanks!

[@crsrdash-840b5]

I think this class is still around after major modifcations to the neck and power systems. It would work well as a mid-range explorer/light cruiser to reinforce ships while in drydock, being decommissioned or other.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Sorry but it isn't, although I appreciate the sentiment, it was a failure!

[@Moonless6491]

This is the ship that should have been in Picard. An Homage to the Enterprise, honestly the most gorgeous design I've seen, or at least this should have been the enterprise B

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Though I appreciate the sentiment, I dont agree with it being in Picard or Any Movie... It's too kitbashy to be a hero starship!

[@andrewnegron288]

What if the NX class refit had a Sovereign class design for its time?, I kinda like the but I would change if I was Starfleet, would be hull design by making it wider almost similar but with a newer version and design of it also would have a new design of pylons that could sustain them during warp travel and the neck width wider lower with more aerodynamic! But other than that great what if!.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

We know in canon that there wasnt such a class!

[@andrewnegron288]

@TriAngulumAudioStudios I know but would it be possible, I love your cannon and non-cannon what if!, it doesn't have to be an exact design like the Sovereign class but it would be a new design with that era's esthetics.

[@weirdkitty07]

In the 78 years between Star Trek TOS and TNG, they must have used 'trans warp' and redid the warp scale to fit it. So it was a failure in 2286, but by the 2300s is was not. Head canon.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

No, it was a complete failure, they merely learned more about Warp Velocities FROM the failures. Actual Canon.

[@joonaa2751]

What’s your opinion on the theory that the vertical warp core of the refit Constitution class was a design flaw that contributed to the early retirement of said class? The pre-refit Connie had a horizontal warp core hidden safely within the secondary hull, but after the refit, it had to go through the thin neck of the ship, making that an extremely vulnerable spot if attacked - which is precisely how Khan overpowers the Enterprise in ST2. I’m betting Khan’s attack was not the first instance where this flaw became apparent, and this is why the Enterprise had been demoted to a cadet training ship so soon after its state-of-the-art refit. Later designs like the Excelsior had a thicker neck to compensate for said flaw, or were generally large enough to encase a vertical core within the secondary hull.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

It's a theory that doesn't hold water or make any sense whatsoever! First off the Constitution Class refit was not retired early at all... It was a design that lasted until the Battle of Wolf 359 (Canon) so Im not sure where anyone would get that idea... Second, Khan did NOT attack the neck of the ship to disable it, he attacked the Secondary Hull... Only later, by chance, is the neck hit during the Battle in the Mutara Nebula, so there's nothing there either! Lastly, the reason the Enterprise was demoted to a cadet Training Vessel was just down to the age of her Spaceframe and how she was refit... She was the only starship of the Original Constitution Class to recieve such a refit and her space frame was almost 30 years old at the time of said refit. All other Connies (and there were many, See Charts in ST6) were constructed from the ground up, with full new and intact spaceframes, rather than the pieced together one of the Enterprise... So in closing, that theory is just nuts and delusional LOL Additional, Since the Comment was edited... The Excelsiors Neck had nothing to do with the Constitution Class refit, it had to do with the Transwarp Experiment, requiring a bulkier Neck to withstand the Transwarp Velocities stresses put upon it!

[@altiusbelowdeck4190]

Call me crazy but this looks incredibly similar to the Kongo Class Variant

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Yes, you're crazy, as it looks nothing like it :P No more than the Constitution Class Refit looks like the Kongo anyhow ;) :P

[@altiusbelowdeck4190]

@ lmao once I got a second look at it I Completely agree! I stand corrected

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Lol All good ;)

[@maxwellgarrison2983]

It has always bothered me, the lack of consistency across the Starfleet. One would assume it would be closer to our own navies, with far fewer duplicate classes, i.e., multiple frigates, battlecruisers, scouts. Etc.

[@traviswebb5094]

When I was younger in the early 90's. Seemed every Next Gen novel would mention the Douglas class.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Im not aware of any Douglas Class in the novels, but I am aware of the USS Douglas in the novels... But that was a Nebula Class!

[@traviswebb5094]

@TriAngulumAudioStudios I wish I could name books on this. It's been thirty years. To be honest I thought the Miranda's without the roll bar were Douglas class. I'll keep my eye out at half price books and get back with you in the future. Thanks for keeping a dialogue and love 99% of your videos.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you for the support! And if you ever figure it out, let me know!

[@gordon1891]

This one I think is one of those stories that could be even more plausible as there's no shortage of people wanting to save costs by reusing existing resources. Excellent video as per usual. Out of curiosity will you be posting on BlueSky any time?

[@johnathan651]

What about a Federation ship built together with Juarti's Borg Cooperative? Picture Voyager with the Borg tech from Scorpion, but more extensive and "built in". Maybe have it inverted so instead the Borg tech of being on top of the hull, this one would be more like "hull plating over Borg tech", at least in sections. I love the visuals of Borg tech, and I wish more ships incorporated it.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

I don't think that would ever happen, because of humanites inherent aversion to the Borg... And in the 32nd Century, we see no indication that that ever happened!

[@johnathan651]

And without the typical Borg asymmetry, I forgot to add that.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

See my above comment!

[@johnathan651]

32nd is where Discovery ends, right? What about that smart matter stuff? Borg Nanoprobes can build cybernetics inside a person, smart matter could be a further development. And ships that can break apart and reform on the fly would require a pretty decentralized design, wouldn't they? Starfleet loves Borg tech, they just don't want it inside their bodies. It's not like they've never had dealings with hive minds or species using cybernetics before. It's the actions of the Borg Collective that make them abhorrent.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Programmable Matter is not Borg. And yes, Starfleet love to study Borg Tech and to develop their own tech out of it... They don't build ships with Borg Components, again Because of humanities aversion to the Borg! There is not ONE ship in Trek that is built WITH Borg Components! Even Voyager didn't like them attached on the outside of the Hull! So again, I don't think it would happen!

[@Mkav-c8n]

Should have built it with secondary hull a like the Excelsior class from the beginning and commissioned it for active service 😊

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Kinda defeats the WHOLE purpose of the video...

[@SoynicVansion]

I’m puzzled as to why the belief that the Federation’s transwarp experiment failed is so widespread in fandom and beta canon. There’s no concrete onscreen evidence regarding the outcome of transwarp engines, but perhaps the lack of further mentions led to the assumption of failure. Interestingly, all canon ship designs between the Excelsior and Galaxy classes share the Excelsior’s wrap-around nacelle grilles, which may imply continued transwarp influence.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Uhhhh because there's a LOT of on screen evidence... If the Experiment had been a success than ships would be travelling at Transwarp, not warp in the 24th century... And had it been a success, then Starfleet would not be STILL trying to break the Transwarp Barrier, See Star Trek Voyger, or be surprised at the Borg Transwarp Capabilities... (TNG and VOY) And no, Nacelle Design Shapes have nothing to do with it, See Star Trek Picard! And that's all Canon and Concrete!

[@sackofham]

There's is a thought I've had about the Excelsior. All the data on it says it was built in the 2280s, but if you look at the bridge in STIII, it is using TOS style computer graphics. Could that mean that the Excelsior's construction was started in the 2260s? If it were built in the 2280s why doesn't it have movie era computer graphics? Food for thought.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

No, its dedication plaque (along with an informational plaque in PIC) confirms it was built in the 2280s and the movie confirms it was specifically for the Great Experiment!

[@Mnogojazyk]

The Merrimack ship is pretty; and I like the design and the intent. But I still think the neck and warp pylons would have to be structurally reinforced. Nice work!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Thank you, but why? Where in canon (or Beta Canon) does it say that needs to be done?

[@vishnu79]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Not so much "canon", but more like "in-universe logic". The great weakness (and the most common fan-theory I've come across) that sounded the death knell for the Connie's was the introduction of the vertical warp core. Excelsior was designed specifically to accommodate her vertical core (which was huge when compared to Enterprise's, incidentally), and her neck section was made so large to allow for separation between the engineering spaces needed to transfer the plasma and energy between her warp and impulse engines and to her phaser weapons systems and the antimatter storage and handling systems for her torpedoes. A single lucky (or sneaky) hit on her torpedo launchers (Wrath of Khan-style) would not result in the automatic detonation of her warp core should that hit occur with a loaded torpedo on the rack waiting to be launched. Enterprise got lucky in that Kirk never ordered Red Alert before Khan launched the attack, which could have destroyed the ship immediately, since a Red Alert order causes the weapons systems to be readied for action, including charging the antimatter warheads of the ready-to-launch torpedoes. The old Connie-style neck didn't really have enough room for the new warp core (which runs up through the neck behind that light-blue strip of hull armor) that Starfleet tried to cram into it. They managed it, but it was a horrible tactical weakness.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

​@@vishnu79 ​Sorry but all you've done here is make a bunch of assumptions that are not fact! First off fan theories really mean nothing but your theory is especially incorrect! Given that the Constitution Class Refit was launched in around 2272, and that at least 3 Connie Refits were at the Battle of Wolf 359 2367, almost a Century Later, blows your dissertation right out of the water... The Class wouldnt have stayed in service for almost a century if ANY of what you're trying to play off as facts were true! And it certainly wasn't a "death Knell" for the very same reason!So you've got nothing here except an incorrect theory that you're desperately trying to bend the facts to make true! Also, the following is NOT true or factual at all; 1.Excelsior was designed specifically to accommodate her vertical core (which was huge when compared to Enterprise's, incidentally) NO, it was designed to hand the stress of Transwarp Travel. 2. her neck section was made so large to allow for separation between the engineering spaces needed to transfer the plasma and energy between her warp and impulse engines and to her phaser weapons systems and the antimatter storage and handling systems for her torpedoes. No again, it was designed to handle Transwarp Travel Stresses. 3.hit on her torpedo launchers (Wrath of Khan-style) would not result in the automatic detonation of her warp core should that hit occur with a loaded torpedo on the rack waiting to be launched. In the Wrath of Khan, since we see the Torpedo Tubes being loaded BEFORE they Enter the Mutara Nebula, and Khan DOES hit the Torp Bay WITH loaded Torpedoes, disproves your comment right off the bat! Photon Torpedoes are like Nuclear Missles in that the Warhead doesnt ignite with weapons fire! 4. Enterprise got lucky in that Kirk never ordered Red Alert before Khan launched the attack, which could have destroyed the ship immediately, since a Red Alert order causes the weapons systems to be readied for action, including charging the antimatter warheads of the ready-to-launch torpedoes. Again wrong, see above reason! 5. The old Connie-style neck didn't really have enough room for the new warp core (which runs up through the neck behind that light-blue strip of hull armor) that Starfleet tried to cram into it. They managed it, but it was a horrible tactical weakness.- Again WRONG, as the Enterprise was refit to include the new technologies... If it wouldn't have worked, Starfleet would have just increased the neck size to accommodate it. You need to go back, watch Star trek and instead of assuming things, this time, accept things that are canon for what they are! You've got absolutely NOTHING here! Canon disproves EVERYTHING you just said! And PS, Next time you decide to answer for someone else, try answering the actual question that is asked which was "Where in canon (or Beta Canon) does it say that needs to be done?" not with made up in your head nonsense! (THREAD CLOSED- No further comments will appear To prevent an incorrect, nonsense circular argument which Vishnu79 is just wrong about on all fronts)

[@MrCateagle]

I would have gone with shorter and deeper warp nacelles to keep length the same as a Constitution-retrofit ship while keeping the same amount of equipment.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

That would defeat the entire purpose of the video...

[@jimb8601]

I wish the Enterprise A was something like this instead of using the same refit model. I think this design could work with shorter nacellles and a smaller impulse deck but that defeats the concept of just swapping Excelsior components.

[@kineuhansen8629]

feel like something from star trek online and simula to what they did with the obena class

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Lol is that a compliment? Lol Ill take it as one!

[@kineuhansen8629]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios at least i say its look better then the obena class

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Booooooo, that's not saying much!

[@mikehenry7056]

I can't say I'm surprised, going by in-universe logic - it has been known for a long time that the Connie's neck was a weak point of the design (Khan's attack is a good example; even the Kelvin Enterprise had the same problem).

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Khan,s attack on the Enterprise's Neck in the Mutara Nebula was just coincidence, not specifically attacked by Khan during his initial attack, showing it is not as much of a weakness in the ship as we often think!

[@bmobert]

I've tried to fit out both the TMP Enterprise and Excelsior with warp cores and the deuterium storage to fuel them. I've done thus taking into account the amount energy the TNG tech manual claims should be needed for regular warp travel. IMHO, the Excelsior warp core would not work in the refit Enterprise and the fuel requirements for that core would overflow her exteriors, leaving room for nothing else. If I were to attempt to create a history for such a class, I would come to the same conclusions but have had them realized before the vessel was even comoleted as a prototype. I like your conclusions, tho for different reasons.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

It WASNT an Excelsior Warp Core that was installed though... As the video said, it was a MODIFIED Excelsior Warp Core... A very different thing...

[@bmobert]

@TriAngulumAudioStudios Yes. And it would have HAD to have been. I did listen. And any mod would have made the core much less capable. I got that too. I'm not arguing. I'm agreeing.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

That definitely isnt what your comment sounds like, as if it were, you wouldn't restate things the video had said as if it hadn't said them... So thank you for clarifying!

[@NCC-72545A]

It seems similar to the Lexington class Command Cruiser from the Star Trek Klingon Academy game.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Not really, the Secondary Hull of the Lexington Class was VERY different that the Constitution Class Refit Secondary Hull!

[@NCC-72545A]

@TriAngulumAudioStudios Yeah, that's why I said, 'It seems similar." You could say that the Lexington class is a much more refined version of this concept, but I digress. It's still an interesting design and a good video.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

But by that logic, you could say pretty much all classes are similar... IE The Connie to the Ambassador...

[@chriscarr3916]

It would be nice to also tie in the Lexington/Excelsior variant as seen with RetroBadger on Bridge Commander game.

[@nicholasmaude6906]

I don't see why this design couldn't have been made to work some more effort and fine-tuning the design, for starters having a matter/anti-matter reactor scaled to fit the space-frame and appropriately sized warp-nacelles.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

It was already scaled to fit the design, as the video said... And as the video already explained, it needed a complete overhaul which would have changed the design far too much to be what they were looking for...

[@jediguy634]

Weird but i kinda like it! What is it with Excelsior parts that just always work so well in these kinds of mashups. Archemidies class is my other top excelsior hybrid. I don't think the "great experiment" was a total failure. Heck it made StarFleet rewrite its entire warp scale. Starfeelt just needed better people marketing what good came out of it.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Definition of Success; the accomplishment of an aim or purpose. Here the aim or purpose was to Travel at Transwarp Velocities, and thus was a complete failure because that goal was never achieved. So factually and by definition, you'd be wrong! And really, there's nothing wrong with failure... Failures drive us to conquer them, to think outside the box etc... In fact, most inventions start in failure! So don't get stuck on that idea :)

[@carlmontney7916]

Failure is not an option... Unless we can learn from it and do better next time moving forward.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Disagree! Failure is ALWAYS an option... It's part of what drives us to better ourselves...

[@carlmontney7916]

@TriAngulumAudioStudios wait didn't I say that when I said " unless we can learn from it and do better next time".

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

But the Statement "Failure is NOT an option, " is incorrect! It is always an option and sometimes, we dont learn a thing from failing... So your Statement, though poetic, is incorrect!

[@rankosaotome]

I want to know where in canon (ie official sources) it states that the transwarp experiments failed (other than Scotty’s sabotage). Shortly after the movie era the warp scale was changed, so obviously warp drives got an improvement somewhere!

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

We know it failed because Starfleet is STILL trying to break the Transwarp Barrier in the 24th Century! (See Star Trek: Voyager) If the Transwarp Drive had succeeded, than Starfleet's vessels would be travelling at Transwarp, not warp! And they wouldn't be amazed at alien races that HAVE Transwarp... And that's all canon!

[@jasonwhite7905]

Curious, does this channel review klingon ships? I have a particular love of the Insurrection class destroyer.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

This channel DOES cover alien ships, however, the biggest problem is that high quality 3d Models of said ships, don't exist! You can assist the channel by joining Patreon as a highest tier member to help pay for the creation of the model to make a video about it!

[@78.BANDIT]

I like the storyline. But IF it was Canon I wouldn't have liked the idea. Being that it would seem like StarFleet not letting go of the past. And letting a new generation of offers and crew take over the history of the ENTERPRISE in a totally new design. But overall I do like the idea of building a new fleet with EXCELSIOR class parts. Similar to PROJECT GALAXY.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Although this was never really intended to be canon, I disagree with your reasoning... ALL Starfleet ships are based on some type of lineage, so this us actually a natural progression!

[@RJRyukyu]

Imagine this ship but using Excelsior 2 and Connie 3 parts

[@DougVanDorn]

See, for me, I just cannot see why people are so keen on using Excelsior design elements. I know it's a minority opinion, but to my eye, Excelsior is one of the ugliest Federation starship designs out there. It's an enormous, ungainly bathtub-shaped secondary hull, with what looks like an aft carrier flight deck (a rather ridiculous concept on a starship), connected to a saucer section that looks tiny in comparison to that awful slug of a secondary hull, and warp nacelles hanging down such that they would interfere with most things you might want to do with that flight deck. It didn't look like a supraluminal thing of sleek beauty, to my eye it looked like a beached whale that wallowed wherever it went. Maybe decent esthetics weren't scheduled to be installed until the following Tuesday...

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

If you know you're the minority on your personal opinion, than you already have the answer to your question :P

[@kellysavage7073]

scotty ruined all those peoples lives by removing those objects that he handed to doctor mccoy from the excelsior that I think would have worked if scotty would not have removed them.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Uhhh sorry but you are incorrect! She didnt fail because of sabotage, she failed because it didnt work! How do we know that? Well because in Star Trek IV: The Voyager Home The Federation charges our heroes with Sabotage of the Excelsior... So Starfleet knew what Scotty had done, or else they wouldnt be able to charge Kirk and Crew with that crime... And do you think, knowing the Excelsior was sabotaged by Scotty that they wouldn't replace the components and continue with the testing? Of course they would.... And since ships aren't travelling at Transwarp after that movie, means it failed!

[@trekkieraccoon3343]

I do like the design but the impulse deck seems a little to big maybe reduce the impulse engines down to one

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

LOL It's a failed design, and that's just part of the class!

[@blockwood316]

do a Miranda class mated to a constitution refit secondary hull next. I've always wanted to kitbash that.

[@shmuck66]

I prefer my Connies with Toaster grills.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

What is it with you and toast? :P

[@ericmadsen7470]

The Constitution Excelsior kit bash is not a great design nor is it a bad design it's experimental and even experiments can go wrong. Still there is something that can be thought about at a future date.

[@aaronwaterhouse1091]

I have a request I'd like to see what it would look like to have a romulan bird of prey as a saucer for the Constitution clss starship

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

For what purpose? Why would Starfleet do that?

[@jaredcolon4535]

Excelsior class with galaxy class parts

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

No LOL

[@chrismills2439]

the neck is too thin

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

You mean like the video says? LOL

[@chrismills2439]

@@TriAngulumAudioStudios yep.. A Constitutional Excelsiorized shorter excelsior nacelles, shorter and thicker neck, smaller saucer, and not shooting for max top speed. The secondary hull and pylons would need to be reinforced and braced too if it using excelsior style warp core. The crew number would also need to be less than 320 asa result.

[@TriAngulumAudioStudios]

Which would ALL defeat the purpose of the video, as stated in the videos intro... And PS the video also states it's a modified Excelsior Warp Core, not an Excelsior Warp Core, so reinforcement isnt necessary, nor has there ever been any evidence that it's required in Any design when using Excelsior Components, See Centaur Class... And no, the crew number doesn't need to be less or more than anything, not sure where you get that idea at all either!