273. Portugal: The Carnation Revolution

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@robertmartin317 8 ай бұрын

In Italy there was a slew of very good port in the supermarkets in the late 1970's. I knew that there had been a revolution and this explains the details of why there was all this excellent port at very reasonable prices. Thanks for a delightful podcast.

@GazilionPT Ай бұрын

Fun fact: during the turbulent summer of 1975 we had a Prime Minister that went on strike. He was called Pinheiro de Azevedo, a quite centrist guy, opposed to Vasco Gonçalves. At a certain point, when he was in Parliament (we were still drafting a Constitution), radical forces surrounded de building trying to put pressure on the MP and the provisional government so that the Constitution went further left, and refused to let the MPs and ministers out until they accepted their demands. So, Pinheiro de Azevedo called the media and declared he (the prime minister) was going on strike, because, "I was sequestered - twice! -, enough is enough, I don't like being sequestered, it upsets me."

@GazilionPT Ай бұрын

Just a few corrections: - Contrary to what it is commonly said (even in Portugal), there were 5 (not 4) deaths on the 25th of April 1974: 4 civilians protestors killed by the old regime's political police (PIDE), as mentioned in the video, but also a PIDE's employee, killed by an unidentified member of the MFA. That PIDE's employee was not an agent, he was just the "coffee boy", but he got scared when the MFA stormed PIDE's HQ after the killing of those 4 civilians, he tried to run away, and one of the soldiers gunned him down. - There were 2 casualties on the 11th of March 1975 or as a direct consequence (one soldier on the 11th, one civilian on the 12th). - There were 3 casualties during the 25th of November 1975 counter coup, when a Military Police base was stormed.

@yaboijardo2319 Жыл бұрын

I listen to you on my lunches and breaks at work live the show ggs

@tomsmith5584 11 ай бұрын

I was wondering why Kissinger wasn't freaking out about the Carnation Revolution. It should be noted that carnations are in bloom in Portugal at that time of year, so they were quite common for florists to have and since their stores were closed too, they could have been handing them out.

@paulocorreia7942 6 ай бұрын

Oh but he freaking out, he went to Spain to encourage General Franco to invade Portugal, as Franco didn't listen to him, then he said that it was better for communism to win in Portugal to serve as an example for Europe, for others countries see the misfortune and do not follow the example. In those days Mr. Kissinger was very bad for Portugal! Thank God there never was a Communist Government in Portugal!!! But for him, the fascist regime that lasted 48 years wasn't so bad!

@GazilionPT Ай бұрын

14:00 Regarding the songs chosen as signals, as Dominic says, the first song (the Eurovision one) is only meaningful as a signal because it is played at a specific time. It was purposefully chosen to be discrete, because it was the very first step to the revolution. But regarding the second song, "Grândola, Vila Morena", contrary to what Tom thinks (an odd choice), that was a *clear sign* that something unusual was going on. The point of "Grândola" is not that it is a mournful song, because, actually, it isn't: only the *style* of singing is slow, the words are actually quite assertive - and the collaborative DJ not only plays the music, he actually reads out the lyrics, to make sure everybody understood what it was being said. It was clearly a left-wing song ("Land of Fraternity / The Peasantry is in command", etc.) and - very importantly - the autor, Zeca Afonso was exiled and banned from being played on the radio or being sold on record shops. So, playing Zeca, and specially this song, was a clear sign that something was brewing - or the DJ was amazingly bold and reckless.

@namibianodetombua 11 ай бұрын

Sorry to say, but you guys sound a bit ignorant about the songs that assembled the troops. Depois do adeus means after the farewell, and this song it is still popular in Portugal. Many other eurovision songs were very political but disguised to pass the censorship, and many did. The other song, Grandola, vila morena, is and will be our freedom hymn. It was forbidden during the dictatorship. One of the verses says: Grandola land of fraternity, it was written by a left wing activist, Zeca Afonso, as you said.

@forkknife233 Ай бұрын

There's a huge mistake in this podcast which spoiled the entire thing. Spínola's idea was absolutely NOT to get out of Africa. His idea was that the war needed an immediate POLITICAL SOLUTION whilst the regime was trying to copy the Roman Social War, winning the war first and making changes later. Although some changes were made throughout the war, most notably the industrial development of Angola and also Mozambique. But back to Spínola, he was in favour of a Portuguese Federation comprising all the territories and made this very clear in first speech right after the coup, where he said Portugal had to be safeguarded in its "pluricontinental entirety". That was the Spinolist position, and also of parties such as the Partido do Progresso and the Portuguese Federalist Movement. That was the post revolutionary Portuguese right-wing, still carrying the torch of the Portuguese empire, and which was utterly defeated in the 28th of September and the 11th of March and effectively put outside the new regime.