28 Gauge TSS Duplex (8.5TSS

[@jeffhartwig1365]

Finally had the chance to shoot this load last weekend. The cost of 1.5 ounces of tss $3.75- 3 flattened canadas pass shot with a 28 gauge-priceless! Awsome load- no more switching loads when geese show up.

[@eddieb4227]

I tried your tss duplex loads and there are great. Found the same a you on the choke tubes. Was hitting more the more open i went. Was shooting 20g steel today, 3" #4 3/4 oz 1550 fps with a mod choke. Loaded a tss duplex 5/6/7 in third position. That was reality hitting out past 60 yards in closer the steel did great.

[@bullet225ho]

Good job. Glad it worked out for you. TSS is a game changer in the 28 and 410

[@BrockLowell]

Great video, simple math on the weight of TSS it’ll little over twice as heavy as steal. More complex math TSS 18 stands for 18.2 grams per cc. Steal shot is 7.85 grams per cc. Lead is 12 grams per cc. They do make TSS 15 witch is simply 15 grams per cc. CC Cubic centimeters. So you have a heavier Projectile with less Surface area witch lends itself to deeper Penetration at longer ranges. It folds goose like they been hit by a Mack truck. I’ve mainly been killing turkeys with it but your Duplex loads sound Ingenious to me! Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

[@bullet225ho]

You're welcome, Thanks for stopping by and commenting.

[@BrockLowell]

Please keep the videos coming!

[@brickrowoutdoors1038]

Great vid.......been working similar type loads for hunting and having good results.

[@derekbeyers8804]

Great video. 👍 I'm using #8 TSS and #3 steel. What's your powder and charge? I'm using 3/8oz tss and .55 steel with longshot. Wondering if lil gun is better? I'm getting 1375fps

[@paulomorris8547]

Just purchased a press about 6 months ago n the TriStar 28 a week ago and this video was great data .thanx bud👍👍🤙🤙

[@bullet225ho]

You're welcome. The TriStar 28 is a sweet little SA. The more you shoot it the better it will cycle. My pointer eats about anything I put in it now.

[@scottchristensen6778]

I went on and bought your load data but it shows a different hull than the video. Are you using Lil gun or H110? Sorry just a little confused. I sent an email as well.

[@royruelos5100]

Would this recipe work with the Winchester AA HS hulls? Love the channel!!!

[@bullet225ho]

It will not. AA-HS have a much lower volume than the Fiocchi. You can do a duplex with the AA-HS.....You will have to adjust TSS volume or steel volume down accordingly to fit in the hull. I'm going to put one together and see where it lands.

[@mvec646]

Great video Love sub gauge waterfowl hunting

[@bullet225ho]

I've been strictly sub gauge now for about 6 yrs. I think it's catching on.

[@joecapen5627]

Love this video!! Just got into reloading. Switched to 28 gauge this spring and hoping to have an amazing duck season here in Oklahoma using a 28 with TSS. Do you know where I would find data to use WinchesterAA HS hulls for TSS loads and components for AA because I have about 500 hulls. Thank you

[@bullet225ho]

I'm working on some tss/steel duplex loads for the AA-HS That particular hull has quite a bit less volume than a Cheddite or Fiocchi hull. So there will be a compromise in amount of shot and velocity or both to stay under pressure.

[@joecapen5627]

@@bullet225ho I can hardly wait. I would like to use the same hulls I shoot trap and practice with and then make a good dove load followed by a teal load steel #4 and a TSS duplex load for mallards. I prefer to decoy birds so no real long shots but I want them dead not crippled.

[@bullet225ho]

A correction on the powder drop. The RCBS gets to with .01 grain per drop. Not 1 grain.

[@jman9816]

Very nice load! Would like to get more info from you on this load regarding specs and testing. How do I contact you (no email on your About tab)?

[@Benroe-yz1nz]

Should be 0.1 grain

[@Benroe-yz1nz]

Good to learn about duplexing loads. It's hard to find info on it.

[@bullet225ho]

thanks for watching. Get the actual data here www.bullet225ho.com

[@mchenryjeremy]

I made a 20 gauge recipe before we left out of state to hunt mallards, goldeneye, common merganser, and big honkers in Wyoming. 2 3/4" hull, #7 steel & #9 TSS with a combined load of about 1 1/8oz. The idea behind the #7 is I want as many pellets for close range. Also, using smaller pellets, it penetrates the feathers much better than a larger shot, minimizes damage to the meat, and eliminates pushing feathers into the meat. The #7 steel is pushed out to the outside by the TSS, while helping open up the TSS, but at 30 yards, my pattern is over 36" wide with the steel, with TSS at about 24" wide being thag the steel is basically a ring around the TSS pattern. 40 yards the TSS is about 30-36" wide and the steel basically falls off the effective lethal range, and the TSS takes over to do all of the killing beyond 30 yards. This pattern is very wide up close and we shot birds out to 70-80 yards dead before they hit the water. We also laid down those big honkers out past 50 yards with zero issues. The #7 is effective out to about 30ish yards, before the TSS really opens up. Past 30 yards the TSS is wide enough pattern to hit birds consistently out to 50-60+ yards. Every bird we shot looked like they fell asleep. Zero shot damage. Zero birds lost. We've used this stuff on pheasants in South Dakota and made amazing shots on birds out to 70-80 yards. It was extremely difficult to get up close to flush birds due to the 2-3 feet of snow 2 weeks ago. They spotted us way out and we had to make long shots on the birds. Finished the season out using these TSS recipes. I never touched my 12 gauge the rest of the season. Truly amazing stuff.

[@bullet225ho]

TSS is a game changer for sub-guage guns. 28 or 410. Nice results you had for sure. Thanks for watching

[@mchenryjeremy]

@@bullet225ho that was the plan. I developed 28 gauge loads but haven't got to pattern test or send them off for pressure testing. So since my friend only uses 20 gauge, I dropped the 28 gauge recipe to get a 20 gauge recipe ready for the trip, pattern and pressure tested before we made a big batch of them. I have developed a 410 recipe already for my dad since he has bad shoulder and neck issues. It's like shooting a Red Ryder with his semi auto 1100 lol.

[@saltcreekammo]

Loaded up some TSS/steel from Hal. Missed clean 3 ducks... Put it on paper and good lord it was tight. I was shooting ducks over deeks. Will probably stick to steel for up close work.

[@bullet225ho]

Make sure the steel is on top of the TSS. Also Improv Cyl or Cyl choke with TSS or TSS duplex. If you have ducks over decoys 30yds and in....yes 4 or 5 steel 5/8oz or 3/4oz will do the trick. Improv Cyl choke.

[@ironspringoutdoors]

Have you done any work the a TSS blend 12 gauge 3” load?

[@bobhinnant7552]

You mentioned 2 1/2 in 410 duplex loads. Could you do a video on that also. Thanks

[@joshgeib1596]

Are you loading 2 3/4 shells or 3”? what powder are you using?

[@bullet225ho]

2 3/4" and the powder will be seen with the data on my website. Thanks for watching.

[@dylanlongaker9938]

I'm a believer now. After looking at your videos and all the ballistic data, I'm making the switch to TSS and and going to start loading my own shells. I don't see Hal's website though. When I try to go there is says page not found. Is there a better way to contact him directly?

[@bullet225ho]

You'll be pleased for sure. Hal's message board seems to be down. His retail site is www.super18tungstenshot.com I'm pretty sure you can contact him through there.

[@dylanlongaker9938]

@@bullet225ho Thank you!

[@rapstarD]

How well does #4 shoot in 28 gauge? I can get lots of #4 lead but not sure if I should try it or not. thanks

[@nathanielchoate69]

Would number 10 TSS be effective for wood ducks out to 40 yards?

[@bullet225ho]

Yep, 10 TSS has 1.5" gel penetration at 47.7yds. 266 pellets in 1/2oz.

[@Tuck-pm1rc]

Hey man have you tried a universal charger bar for your MEC when reloading tss?

[@bullet225ho]

I have not. I have used it for HW-15 #6 shot though. It took a bit but I did get it dialed in. I'd say it would work with TSS, but I prefer to hand weigh it so there is no question.

[@TimMartin-y5q]

So your not having to use any buffer with this load?

[@bullet225ho]

Nope, no buffer in the duplex

[@Brazos_Bait_Co.]

where did you get your load data from?

[@bullet225ho]

I developed it myself. It's available at bullet225ho.com

[@kevintimson6591]

Where did you get your load data? I have BPI's "Small Bore Manual", and I also have a BPI LOTW tungsten steel duplex. Their small bore manual doesn't have any duplex loads.

[@bullet225ho]

Hey Kevin, The data is been derived from using data points from several different places. BPI Advantages manual mainly and also data from Hal that he will provide after purchasing shot from him. I cross reference data points for powder charge weights and such. I load up a group and send them off for testing. It's time consuming and tedious. I usually end up with way more loads that are over pressure, but I eventually end up with good tested loads. The 3/4oz. steel load that I load went through 5 tests to get to the load I use.

[@trentwilder5354]

Is there a wad for AA's that's tapered for steel in 2 3/4"? Seems like finding a recipe for duplex loads would be great if it works. I only have 1,000 AA's I'm shooting through and keeping.

[@bullet225ho]

I don't know of a wad for the older AA tapered hulls. TPS wad is about the only thing that works for the duplex loads. There are a few wads that work in that hull.....but all designed around 3/4oz lead loads. That's not to say you couldn't get a TSS load to work...but it's not steel. You'd have to get creative and use mylar wraps and such. From what I gather you have a good hull on your hand for target/bird hunting purposes.

[@trentwilder5354]

@bullet225ho thanks for the reply. And yes, have quite the stockpile for shooting clays and then reloading some later for pheasant or heavy grouse load.

[@alanrobinson3549]

Hi im a bit confused, why are you mixing the two shot together ? what is the advantage. Regards Alan Robinson

[@bullet225ho]

Hey Alan, Couple of reasons. I feel 1/2oz of TSS is plenty to keep pellet count up enough to be a viable load for waterfowl (Small ducks to Geese) Also only using 1/2oz of TSS keeps the cost down as TSS is expensive. The steel on top does two things. It takes up the space that is left with just 1/2 of TSS (fills the hull vs using spacers) and also it is much less dense than the TSS. When loaded in that configuration of Steel on top the patter opens up much better at closer distances. The TSS pushes through the steel causing it to open up much nicer than shooting TSS alone (or on top of the steel) gives a super tight pattern down range.

[@josephparisotto2247]

Are you using the same amount of powder as toasty’s load or did you bump it up some?

[@bullet225ho]

I'm pretty sure it's the same. I don't have his data verbatim written down, but when we compared notes I think the charge was the same.

[@josephparisotto2247]

@@bullet225ho Ok, thanks. First season shooting 28ga with TSS duplex loads, having awesome results so far. Has me and the little gun out shooting all my buddies with 12ga.

[@mchenryjeremy]

@@josephparisotto2247 what hull and wad are you using for the 28?

[@coreybennett5530]

Need a duplex 20 ga load recipe. Preferably like #4 steel with 8.5 tss.

[@bullet225ho]

I've got one with #7HW-15 and Steel. Don't see the need with TSS in a 20....but might put one together.

[@iann_13]

@@bullet225ho id love to chat with you about that load and possibly get the data if you’d be willing to share. Is it 3 inch hull or 2 3/4? I’m looking for a duplex load in a 3 inch cheddite hull but am having a hard time finding any place to start with it as most steel loads published either use discontinued wads/powder or are just entirely to low on the velocity end of things.

[@coreypickney6360]

What grain are you using of lil gun.im using 21.5grs for a 7/8 load.im not liking how loose the shot is in the wad and might go to an Oz of shot.using an overshot card and roll crimp.any advice Is appreciated

[@bullet225ho]

Are you loading 7/8 of TSS? What wad? You can do an over shot card and fold crimp or you can put cork or felt spacer under the shot to raise the shot column.

[@coreypickney6360]

Sorry should have been more specific. Being load #11096 cheddar 2 3/4.tps 28 wad. 1/2oz (219gr) of #4 steel 3/8oz(164gr) #9 shot 18tss Roll crimp with os28 card I'm thinking bump up the #4 steel cause right now they sound like a baby rattle!

[@robbrink23]

@@coreypickney6360 did you find a powder that worked with your setup

[@mikerobinson6606]

I cannot find TPS 28ga wads for the life of me and finding your email address is just as difficult. Lol i do not see it under about tab.

[@bullet225ho]

TPS wads are hard to come by. A couple of online vendors sell them. Ballistic Products. Precision and some others may also sell them but I'm sure they get them from Ballistic Products. You may just give BPI a call and see if you can get on a call list or email list. I have just bought in bulk when they are in stock. Like 2000 at a time. I just purchased 1000 2 3/4" Fiocchi primed hulls from an online dealer.

[@outdoorswithroostercurrie6984]

How much does it cost on average per box of these Duplex loads?

[@bullet225ho]

About $27

[@edieswearingen282]

Really enjoyed this video. Ordered material from Hal. Would really like to talk or email you. Lots of loading ahead from this video

[@bullet225ho]

Sounds good, You can find a contact in the about section of the page.

[@raysherrod9322]

I am new at loading for the 28 guage and would like to talk with you.

[@bullet225ho]

Hey Ray, Shoot me an email. It's in the "about" section of my channel page.

[@eduffy4937]

What do i need to reload 28ga shells? Press etc. I reload for everything except shotshells. Looking to load tss or bismuth for all

[@ammoiscurrency5706]

I load on a Mec 600 jr. Trap loads I use cci 209 with lilgun powder win aa hulls and win aa wads. For tss I follow the recipe on BPI website

[@eduffy4937]

@@ammoiscurrency5706 when i buy a 28ga press is it ready to rock or do i need dies like with metalic cartridges?

[@ammoiscurrency5706]

@@eduffy4937 the press has pretty much everything. If you load lead it comes with the standard 3/4 ounce charge bar but you might need to order different powder bushings depending on the powder you use. Bushing are cheap and plentiful. For loading tss your just using the press to crimp and that's built into the press.

[@eduffy4937]

@@ammoiscurrency5706 awesome thanks man. I appreciate it

[@ammoiscurrency5706]

28 guage is my favorite shotgun by far. It's easy to load for just don't be intimidated shotgun loading is really easy.

[@wagner24314]

what if you put bismuth over the tss

[@bullet225ho]

I'm not sure. It may cause a blooming effect to open the pattern up. I haven't tried it as I don't load bismuth at the moment. Also....it would make an expensive load very expensive. I'm sure bismuth shot is much more than steel. But.....if a person had lots of bismuth to test and try out.....they probably should as they me get a good result. Thanks for the comment. Let me know if you try some.

[@wagner24314]

@@bullet225ho Well I tried it test loads pattern great 12ga mod choke 150 pellets in 30" at 40 yards 88% on target. 20ga mod choke at 30yards 30" 153 on target 95% hit. 20ga mod choke at 40yards 30" 133 on target 82% hit. You would be hard pressed the sneak a dove through the pattern mix of 2 bis and 8 tss. just under 2dollars a round

[@wagner24314]

@@bullet225ho loaded a 28ga round 170 pellets 420gr load 160gr tss #8 260gr bis #3.5 25gr lilgun win hull, tps wad 1/16 fiber filler in wad. 40 yards im getting 126 in 30" call the load the duck stoner

[@gonewinchester3385]

Enjoyed the video. Would like to talk to you by email about trying to find load data for the 28ga and tss

[@bullet225ho]

Shoot me an email and I'll try and get you in the right direction.

[@gonewinchester3385]

@@bullet225ho I sent you an email

[@williamcollins910]

Hey man I’d really like to talk to you about these loads but I can’t find an email

[@bullet225ho]

Click on the "about" tab on my home page here. email should be there.

[@mikerobinson6606]

Email is not there.

[@mvec646]

Really interested in your load , sent you an email with a couple questions.

[@bullet225ho]

Ok, I'll look out for it.

[@mvec646]

Email sent Feb 8 let me know if you got it please and thanks 👍

[@waynebooze5632]

@@bullet225ho Sent a similar request your way. Thanks. This is exactly what I wanted to run in my 28.

[@eduffy4937]

How do these loads perform on waterfowl? Im sure theyre just devastating?

[@bullet225ho]

SMASH waterfowl!!!

[@eduffy4937]

@@bullet225ho tgats what im talking about. Been wanting to load tss for my 28ga. Just looking into it being worth it or not.

[@robbrink23]

Nice video. I'd like to ask you a few question. How can I email you? Thanks

[@bullet225ho]

You should be about to find a contact in the "about" section on my channel.

[@glengrissom5444]

@@bullet225ho I was looking for your email I didn’t see it in the about part on your page

[@rebadog7]

I sent you an email 3/15/2022 hope you can respond