280. Serbia: The Birthplace of Civilisation

A little known story. Serbia, the home to one of the first great civilisations. They had the first written scripts, they smelted copper before anyone else, lived in urban settlements. But is it true? Join Tom and Dominic as they dive into this mysterious story.
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[@baarbacoa]

My very nationalist Serbian grandmother, who immigrated to the US over 100 years ago, would approve of this podcast.

[@anaatanaskovic4814]

Greetings from Belgrade. I am a regular follower.

[@shamsam4]

The last bit with academic fashion is hilarious and spot on.

[@JC-KeepSmiling]

Dominic's favourite line.. 'That's disappointing' 😂😂

[@Historia-sc1pi]

Or brilliant!

[@Russianninja956]

Amazing. I can't believe this is the first time I've heard about this. Good stuff.

[@lubobys7139]

check Lepemski vir , also check BBC program Stories from the stone age , ( Lepenski vir is in Serbia not Slovakia as the programme states)

[@antun88]

The story of Serbia in WW1 is lotr level epic. I'm surprised you haven't picked that to talk about.

[@radustanciu4843]

The Tărtăria tablets are very controversial in Romania and in fact most archaeologists here are highly sceptical about them. The circumstances surrounding their finding are not known, all we know is that Vlassa had them in the museum and published about them. He claimed they were found at Tărtăria, but could never provide much detail. He did not see them on site with his own eyes and it seems he was not present at the time, so the excavation was probably run by students when they were supposedly found. My archaeology professor in university told us that students in the University of Cluj were actually known at the time for occasionally pulling archaeological pranks during digs.

[@kalemegdan6566]

It should be noted. "SLAV" Comes from "Pravo Slava". Pravo slava is what the Catholic upon separation during the schism.. called "Orthodox Christianity". Faith predates culture. Slav comes from "Pravo Slava Vera". [Faith of the true glory] Slavs travelled from the Balkans outward..they teavelled towards Russia. They didnt come from Russia as Holy Roman Vatican, Catholic German Hapsburgs concerned with stealing lands from Serbs, Yugoslavs, Slavs, Pravo Slavs and everything non Holy Roman, Frankish, Hapsburg, German or Vatican. As they did in Africa, Southeast Asia, or even towards the Indigenous in the Americas.

[@1010twotarheel]

serb has wisdom of the falcon.

[@minhasshah6670]

Why this is not viral?????

[@champlife6353]

Cuz its all lies that's why

[@igorgajic8346]

​@@champlife6353 Material evidence doesn't lie, and there is plenty of it.

[@dimitrijetucovic1307]

​@@champlife6353cope

[@vedranlastric3632]

@@champlife6353 you are angry i get it...

[@bigserbiabelgrade]

Thank you for this. Serbian scholars of the Serbian Autochtonist History School such as Miloš S. Milojević and Sava Lukin Lazić were based upon these foundings. Our history is very hidden and definitely has nothing to do with what the recognized historiohraphy presents us.

[@bigserbiabelgrade]

Since the past began to change, they also began to change how genetics works, so in order to prove their historical theory, they even change genetics. From the entire Balkans, people who specialize in genetics know that the 12a haplogroup is the oldest in our region, which is the most logical since most people carry it. Romanians for example who are known to be descendants of Dacian tribes have R1b (Latin haplogroup) and 12a (Serbian indigenous haplogroup). They don't have an E like the Albanians who are supposedly "Illyrians". That haplogroup E1b has nothing to do with our region, the Albanians are a Caucasian tribe, and their genetic group came to them during the Muslim conquests, when the Arabs sent them to North Africa and from there to Sicily. From there they migrated through Italy and across the Adriatic Sea to the Balkans in the 11th century, where they are mentioned for the first time. The Greeks all come from Pontus, they came in 1500 BC and spread to Greece, Crete, Asia Minor and Cyprus, that's why they have the J2 haplogroup because they are originally from Anatolia.

[@bigserbiabelgrade]

It can be seen in general how much people don't know about the conflict for historiography,start from yourself. It didn't used to be so simple,there wasn't recognized. The largest schools of history were the Vienna-Berlin Historical School and the Serbian Autochthonous Historical School. Russia, other Slavic countries and even France supported us,so many people supported the Serbian lectures because it had the most logic and explained everything from the beginning of humanity, while the Germans only wanted to portray us as a smaller race because they hate the Slavs. In the end, the Vienna-Berlin Historical School won and it became the official historiography. Serbia was even forced to accept that version, which is completely wrong, because the Great Powers threatened us that they would not recognize us and thus we would not even have a country for ourselves, only if we see how good relations the Obrenovićs had with Austria, everything can be seen. Walter Wüst said that Srbinda from the Rigveda is the founder of the Aryan race and ruler of the Indo-Europeans in it's expeditions to India since he was working to find information about the mystical Srbinda. Think for a bit...how come Hitler decided of first bombing the library of Belgrade when the bombing begun at the start of the conquest of the city? 🤔

[@bigserbiabelgrade]

The Slavs originate from us but we are not Slavs, that's what I want you to understand. We Serbs are Paleo-Balkanic people. Germanics tried their best to cover this up because they hated our people and wanted to depict themselves as more advanced and richer historically. They hated Greeks too,but Greece accepted a Germanic Bavarian king so they didn't do the same to you. If Othonas (Otto) didn't come to rule,they would've wrote down how ancient Greeks are Albanians,just like they wrote Ancient Serbs are Albanians. Austrians hated both Serbs and Greeks,but tolerated the Greeks because they accepted one of their own to rule upon them.

[@Trontotario]

We wuz vinca n shiet

[@sidimightbe3246]

Both Albanians and Serbians are heirs to this history, as the people living in these Vinča areas have the same genetics as Vinčas

[@Pedrohnm]

JEY WHATS UP

[@jeffreyhill4705]

Any current books on this subject?

[@gerila1285]

only in Serbian but you can search for a channel called Srbija global, they have some clips translated into English. Take it with a grain of salt though watch?v=XKbpjWa19dU watch?v=nBihTLG0aPo

[@didierdrogba7708]

no because the vatican doesnt like us very much

[@ToyoSoarer]

In serbian there are some: Boris Klebec - vinčanski kod, French writer Rober Liris - U traganju za evropskim identitetom (search for europes identity).

[@gerila1285]

@@ToyoSoarer there is also svetislav bilbija decoding etruscan via slavic key

[@champlife6353]

its just a compilation of lies

[@michaelbedford8017]

'genuinely mysterious' : a touch of the oxymoronic there.

[@ianmedford4855]

"Where In The World Is Doctor Valverde"

[@TheDigitalBass]

There's so much more... I'm disappointed

[@kalemegdan6566]

Old Slavic is actually "Church " Slavic.

[@raoulduke8003]

"Not an absolutely conclusive but" is not a good name for a band.

[@AB-yx4tr]

Thanks for pointing out ,that the Slav "Horse Steppeople" came in in the 3-4 Century. What claim do they have to the Ancient Culture. They are Settelers on Illyrian and Thrakian Lands. Respekt for escavating and preserving the Sights, but this Nacionalistic BS ,is causing still much Problems downthere

[@predragdzambasevic3101]

No one claims that. We just claim that we have culture now unlike Iliryan descendents.

[@AB-yx4tr]

@@predragdzambasevic3101 shure about that? .Srebtenica!

[@Trontotario]

Saying Serbia is the birthplace of civilisation is like saying America the birthplace of mankind

[@ousmanmanjang3732]

Lies 😅

[@champlife6353]

This is so much Bull Shit its incredible