2GGC: Civil War - T (Link) Vs. LG | Abadango (Mewtwo) Winners Quarters - Smash Wii U

[@ludgerkres.1437]

1:35 "If T gets to top 3, I'll main Link for like, 6 months." Pay up.

[@johnhurley8918]

Kyle CH I know right XD

[@PlusheonPup]

Kyle CH lol truuuee

[@NioXoiN]

just said the same thing lol,

[@alexanderjay4892]

[TN] ELI POWER X

[@rpacba99]

Kyle CH 20centuryfox

[@hellviper16]

VERY well deserved! Link in top 8 winners side is insane. Congratulations to T for this accomplishment. Huge moment for the game and himself.

[@Jknight416]

T deserves to be famous right now! He's the first Link main to ever accomplish such a feat!

[@MrZayJames]

DonLee Wilson Beating players with Link against top tier characters is no easy feat. you need to quickly maxamize damage nomatter how weak the attack. Frame traps with projectiles and controlling distance and against fast characters like Falcon. Speaking of that T vs Fatality was one of the most baddass matches I've ever seen!

[@aisakataiga2290]

Link is a character with a great hidden potential. He is very difficult to use, but he has the necessary tools to be very good.

[@yorwie7]

This is the craziest Smash 4 tourney I've ever seen.

[@MrKynzer]

Brock if I see more of this tournaments maybe I began to get used to smash4

[@SilverScarletSpider]

It's amazing how just as Breath of the Wild's hype reached a peak, T comes out and shows the world that Link isn't only for the For Glory scribs

[@JumpMan64.]

Dark Knight l But Izaw was doing that for years

[@O1DsLeNdYwHiTe]

linkuzumaki0071 No lol. Izaw has no results.

[@fuducker2]

yeah dude Izaw kinda sucks

[@johnhurley8918]

linkuzumaki0071 HELL NAH! Izaw was waisting his time doing fancy bomb combos. I've been a Link main from the begining and very little of what Izaw taught is practical. T is in a class of his own. He is one of the only Link's to effectively utilize ALL of Link's tools and options. The only other Link that's even close is Sova Unknown imo.

[@SilverScarletSpider]

linkuzumaki0071, I'd say this: Izaw makes *entertaining* videos that look smart as he "analyzes" the roster; but he has no results and has shown that he has bad character and can be a pretty shitty person to others. Izaw's Link is nothing compared to T.

[@dreadfury2485]

This Link is godlike. Nothing more needs to be said. Link. Top 8. Winners Side.

[@sidneyhinds869]

Dreadfury agreed

[@Regimeta]

A lone man defeated an army of over 700 players

[@elevate07]

Regimeta The Triforce of Courage is not to be reckoned with

[@CODYLOUIS]

This nigga got me fuccin crying smfh

[@CHRIS07521]

1:35 'If T gets top 3, I'll main Link for 6 months.' Looks like hes maining Link

[@Jknight416]

It's absolutely amazing to see Link make it into the Top 8's, not to mention the Top 3's! T definitely knows what it means to bring out the legendary Hero of Time himself.

[@timon4339]

Link in smash 4 is tp link no hero of time 🙄

[@johnhurley8918]

I'VE BEEN SAYING IT FOR YEARS! LINK. IS. GOOD! No one believed me! They said I was crazy! They'd say, "Why don't you just play Toon Link?" I've mained this character since before the first patch, I've been an fan of T's for a year or two, and now I'm SO HAPPY that T is finally getting the success he deserves and that Link is fonally getting some recognition!

[@SilverScarletSpider]

John Hurley I don't know how I feel about all this hype with people saying Link is a high tier monster. I feel like Civil War was just a good catalyst in a point in the Meta for a Link main to shine. Remember in 2015 when most people had a Sheik and Rosalina? Back in that meta, Link had very little room to shine. But in Civil War, with so many great players coming out using their favorite characters like Samus and Little Mac. There's no getting around things like Link's low speed and ending lag on some attacks, *but* with a great player like T that has studied and developed his character to the teeth, that were we get a Top 3 Link amongst one of the most stacked tournaments in Smash

[@johnhurley8918]

Dark Knight Did I say Link was a high tier monster? All I'm saying is that I've been grinding out this character since the begining and after all the patches, he is much better than anyone gives him credit for. He definitely still has issues, but he has a ton of tools to help him deal with matchups most people thought were unwinable. T is also a very under apreciated player. He did an amazing job playing to Link's strenths and fully utilizing all of Link's options. In a world full of for glory Links and over complicated and impractical bomb combos, T is setting the standard for what high level Link play should look like.

[@Jknight416]

+John Hurley How can anybody argue against that statement after what we just witness?! Link, a character who was considered to be low tier, took out Mewtwo, character who's obviously high tier, in a grand major tournament! Not to mention that this Link was against the best Mewtwo player in this match.

[@johnhurley8918]

JohnKnight416​ Mewtwo is not the greatest example. Mewtwo is the second lightest character in thr game, where as Link is very heavy and deals a considerable amounr of knock back from most of his attacks. Meaning Link can kill Mewtwo far earlier than Mewtwo can him. There are more nuances to thr matchup than just that, but I would say that's the main advantage Link has over Mewtwo. Link has a suprising host of atributes that let him even the odds in a lot of matchups. Also, my point is, prior to this tournement, nobody would give Link thr time of day. No one except nuts like myself and other Link mains. A lot of people are attracted to Link at first because he is great at punishing poor defensive play, making him great for stomping for glory players. But few ever stick with him long enough to see the hidden potential Link has.

[@GoulashOne]

+JohnKnight416 Not saying Link is bad or anything, but keep in mind: a) being a low tier doesn't mean you automatically have bad MUs against high/top tiers. b) People don't really have alot of experience against Link, because there are barely any. I'm super happy about Link placing this well, and T is an amazing player, but it's really hard to say how much of a factor MU-inexperience is.

[@MrVince329]

LINK IN TOP 8!?!?

[@ugxsan]

MrVince329 Link in top 3

[@samuelvibritannia4831]

ugxsan TK better pay up

[@ciscoduenas106]

LOTS of unexpected things have hapened in this tournament

[@cobravenom1316]

I told you guys that Smash 4 is WAY more balanced than we once thought.

[@TheGothGaming]

for real man. there are some good characters out there. people need to explore more characters.

[@mika_fernandes]

3+ years of the game and it's still "new". 'k

[@ugxsan]

Collin Huggins I would argue that in Link's case, he should probably be higher up than he is. He has a lot of hidden tech that make especially good Link players terrifying. Not saying he's anywhere near the top, but bottom 10 or 15 seems a bit unfair. Mikael Fernandes It hasn't been three years, yet, and even then, three years is still new in terms of competitive fighting meta, especially when the most recent patch is less than a year old. There will be low tier warriors making upsets like this and causing us to rethink a lot of things about the meta. And at the end of the day, tiers tend to be rather subjective, based on how much emphasis you put on player skill (meaning that characters getting punished hard has less of an effect, if you don't expect the player to get punished), how much you understand about the character (Game & Watch tends to be thrown into tier lists haphazardly, from what I've seen, as very few people know enough about him to make a reasonable decision), how much OTHER players understand the character (because a character like Olimar is uncommon and weird enough that the unlikelihood of coming across an average player that knows the matchup gives him some serious points), and a large assortment of other things. Sure, we can agree on a few values that are almost always good. Having more options is never bad for a character to have, which is why Sheik is so high on the list despite the relatively limited killing power. Mobility is good. Kill power is good. Combos and follow ups are good. The question is how much to you rely on each of these factors to set your tier lists?

[@AlanDarkworld]

No, it's not. By no means. If you don't believe me - ask Ganon.

[@ugxsan]

Ganon can and DOES kick ass, in the hands of someone that excels at reading and predicting patterns. He is a character that can do a LOT of damage with very few reads and can kill absurdly early. This means that once you get tilted, it's probably going to cost you the game. Don't get me wrong, he's clearly not as strong a character as Cloud or Sheik, who seem to always have options in almost every single situation. He struggles to get in on characters with a heavy zoning game, and in high level play, most players are practiced enough to avoid the majority of the mistakes that Ganon loves to capitalize on, but at the end of the day, you still can't sleep on a Ganon, so yes, the game IS, in fact, more balanced than we thought. Just a suggestion, Ganon isn't even a bottom 5 character. If you are gonna try making this argument again, at least use Jigglypuff. I still feel Jiggs isn't as outclassed as Kirby was in Melee, but you'll still have a much easier time trying to claim the game isn't very balanced by using the worst character in the game. #buffthepuff

[@adrianchapa9194]

A link in top 8? Time for zero to make another their list

[@SilverScarletSpider]

Adrian Chapa I think on his latest one he plans on putting Link low High Tier

[@ugxsan]

Dark Knight I think he planned on that originally, but may change his mind in light of T getting Top 3.

[@Jknight416]

Zero hasn't even mention Link yet in his 2017 Tier List videos. I first thought that he was going to include Link in the Mid Tiers video since he didn't mentioned in the Low Tiers video. But since he didn't, I'm starting to get a feeling that he may actually include Link in his 2017 High Tier List video! Which would be crazy if that actually comes true!

[@Kidlink77]

He was going to, he had to reupload his original Mid Tier video because he accidently included the wrong end slate, which listed Link at the very bottom of high tier. He might change it though, because the video was before civil war.

[@miguelkh950]

"So a lot of people have been wondering, How good is Link?"

[@nicholascarey6507]

This set blew my mind when I watched it live. So hype

[@nicholascarey6507]

Tk's comment "if T gets into top 3 I'll maim link for Luke 6 months" is hilarious too

[@nicholascarey6507]

"He has defeated over 700 people in this building with Link!"

[@kuramijuno2482]

Holy shit dude, my heart is racing. That was a well earned victory, T!

[@Marcoscma]

Awesome. I'm a die-hardLink player since SSB64. Glad to see players still showing what he's capable of! :)

[@maxducks2001]

I love the relaxing Animal Crossing music in the background. It fits oddly well with the fight. Idk why...

[@hush8469]

i just went to the channel tabbed ALL the Link(T) matches.

[@theshroud2541]

Words can't describe how happy I am to see Link in top 8. Honestly have no idea who T is, its like he came out of nowhere I FUCKIGN LOVE IT>

[@asaemon278]

あばだんごスペシャルは世界共通語なのか...

[@Pかい]

こんな所に日本人がいた

[@randomgamerdude98]

As a link main i knew about T for a while now and I'm so happy to see him get third place in a tournament this stacked

[@lk8lk8lk8]

seeing this in 2021?

[@devindunlap99]

I love Abadango too much to be happy...

[@ReggieSova]

Rocking the 4sova tag!

[@dvaccaro96]

Is there a single predictable match in this tournament? Amazing T

[@garrettjanssen7683]

T inspired me to make Link my secondary. Ironically with the spike at 8:20 the D-air would've resulted in an SD had it not hit Abadango. The bounce from the hit put T back on stage. Super risky but that's top-level play.

[@gunslash321]

this is how a commentary should be! good job guys

[@SnuggsMcDuff]

Never forget the man that defeated 700+ people to get into top 8

[@rafaelorozco2580]

That was the most exciting and heart pumping game ever!!

[@Agniratha]

Question: Where does one get the Hoodie that T has? Been looking for ages but can't seem to find a source of them

[@dicaprio2677]

T is awesome, insane Link. Good job!

[@Aflay1]

HE DEFEATED 700 PEOPLE WITH LAKE! WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY?! -KZbin Captions, 2017

[@AdivingShamWow]

he fuckin' did it dude. so much hype for my main. GAH. I love you "T"

[@eaglgenes101]

2gg upset saga when

[@4137Swords]

Why is Link's Fast Fall Speed so freaking fast? Like, most characters fast fall speed line up with the fall speed: Fox has the fastest fall speed, and the fastest fast fall speed. Link? 24th fall speed, but 3rd fast fall speed. Why?

[@yonatanbeer3475]

Ethan Schmidt most characters fast fall increases speed by 60% and links increases by 90%

[@afoose]

Ethan Schmidt he really needs it bc otherwise he would never land or get back on stage from a high recovery

[@gatlynman]

If you had to carry a sword, shield, bow, boomerang, bombs and a clawshot, you'd probably fall fast too

[@cullenhutchison6528]

0:24 Did that bomb go permanently inactive? It looked like it was never going to explode naturally.

[@rubenhood1141]

Awesomee Link!!!!!!!! Congratulation T!!

[@bryanhalloran7290]

I'm not amazing at Smash 4, but I'm a decent online player with Mewtwo (main). I always feel I struggle against Link mains who are equally skilled as me when online. Is it a tough matchup for Mewtwo generally, or no?

[@Reallyjoyboyfr]

Bryan Halloran Might actually be even or lose in link's favor but only slightly

[@penssmell997]

I used to main Link until I realized how hard he is to use in competitive tournaments. I felt like a clunky old man trying to chase around a bunch of youngsters.

[@lmao2302]

Get of my stage you youngsters!

[@sophiaringspliverpoole8440]

0:00 my dark pit succs.. LMFAO

[@TheMrSwampert]

T is the love of my life.

[@thomask7441]

nice going link

[@Patoliflonge]

Did he shoot an arrow in this match? I don't think i've even seen one, anyone can confirm?

[@ineedclosure4163]

Abadongo has lost games to IzAw too. I wonder how this matchup fairs for mew2. Great stuff from T.

[@O1DsLeNdYwHiTe]

Landis Rumble The game against Izaw was just a friendly.

[@ineedclosure4163]

+H20 Aquarius True, but I was just showing that this match , rather tournament, isnt a fluke... the wins show that Link does have the potential and tools to deal with the high tiers previously thought the bane of his existance.

[@O1DsLeNdYwHiTe]

Landis Rumble The one who's proven that is T. While I agree with your statement, Izaw is irrelevant to Link's tournament success.

[@ineedclosure4163]

+H20 Aquarius IzAw has won a tournament, granted it is wasnt a major, with Link. He also has several other top 8 winnings. All im saying is any Link who goes to tournament and wins a game against a notable top player demonstrates his character's potential. T, IzAw, Cat, Sill, and the other notable Links show his potential, in and out of tournaments.

[@bonssimple857]

T.... Mr.T?

[@JumpMan64.]

Link was always good? People just put him in the pocket seat cause of faster characters

[@ugxsan]

I would argue very few characters are actually bad, in this game. Many with limited or questionable use and a few that are overshadowed by characters that do a similar thing, but better. Still, very few characters are actually legitimately just bad.

[@etaquince5220]

ugxsan cough puff cough

[@ugxsan]

"I would argue VERY FEW characters..." Puff is one. You can make this argument for Miis, too, as long as customs are still banned and even then only Brawler gets all that much better. The argument also could be appied to Zelda and Ganondorf, but you're gonna have trouble making that argument after that. Even with Zelda and Dorf, they have some extremely clear upsides, and even Jiggs can get results in the regional scene.

[@Lavi_BT12]

Agreed, I feel like every character in this game is good when it comes to certain MU's. For example, Puff can actually do decent against character like Falcon and Sheik. Just look at how Fatality was struggling against a good Puff at one tournament, it was like game 3, last stock. And Puff v Sheik can actually be scary for Sheik because she can die super early to Puff and can't be using needles all that much. Puff actually has good aerials to contest with Sheik being her Nair, Fair, and sometimes Bair. Her Nair is super strong and comes out very fast making it useful as a combo breaker if Sheik is to late on a fallow up and is a decent kill move. Fair has a long lasting hit box like Nair but is better as an approach option since it sticks out. And even thou its slow, Bair can kill Sheik super early if she's not careful. Another thing is that, since Puff is floaty, Sheik can't get heavy combos on her, and can live long to get rage since Sheik has trouble killing.and can go for rest reads unlkess your at kill %. And Ganon himself can do decent against all the heavies, and he can pretty much strike fear into any lightweight.

[@grapplesauce9939]

If you turn the playback speed to minus 0.5, it sounds like the commentators are either high or drunk.

[@ernestorawlins2034]

its this smash 4 ??

[@SilverScarletSpider]

Affirmative

[@SrMissileMonkey]

Ernesto Rawlins this is the most definitive representation of Smash 4

[@servandojurado5868]

Links have their champion already in T... I'm still waiting for our DDD savior

[@xx_v_xx4373]

Servando Jurado Im still waiting for Falco and Zard

[@MakoTheFrog]

lol the camera guy couldn't be less interested jus chillin on his phone

[@NioXoiN]

1:34 , Aye pay-up!

[@roykoopa64]

Awesome set!

[@greenamogus]

Do you pro Link players ever use arrows?

[@Tiresomejim]

Andrés Kmny up tilts? I was kinda surprised that he didn't use it that much

[@etaquince5220]

Andrés Kmny Of what I heard from some, its a far less interesting option than bomb or boomerang.

[@supersonic7218]

Andrés Kmny depends on the matchup. Vs characters with linear recoveries like fox arrows work well with gimping

[@xInfernoDragon]

yes

[@andrewbianchi1294]

Am I the only one who's always considered Link a better character than Toon Link? Both are good, but Link's frame data and zoning are just straight-up better.

[@TheUltimateNatural]

Neither of them have exceptional frame data but Link's attacks generally have more end lag behind them.

[@lordvegetables]

that was really satisfying

[@Marcusjnmc]

obv T is just an incredible player but Link good match up with Mewtwo & Lucario ?

[@ugxsan]

As a Link main, no. Link does not have a good match up with Mewtwo. Link has a LOT of trouble returning to stage in this MU. It's not necessarily all bad, though, since Link can get some really scary early kills off of a good read. Similarly, most Links consider Lucario to be an even match up. I don't have any data on that one.

[@Marcusjnmc]

I'd assume it's because Link seems to have a fairly good chance to take Lucario's stocks before they get to very high percent which minimizes how much of the match Lucario gets to play with rage, xP & by good match up I kinda meant not bad as opposed to positive.

[@ugxsan]

I would figure if Link had trouble killing Lucario at all, that would make it a rough matchup, since Lucario can get incredibly hard to punish or really do much of anything to. But yeah, I'd probably argue that in that sense, Link has very few truly bad matchups. Certainly plenty that are a little tougher, but few that really make life all that difficult.

[@Nerom99]

8:31 I that was cool!

[@chocobro___]

Ppl 4get what Lonk is capable of

[@L3thalShad0ws7]

Imagine if the up B would have got it tho

[@99TaraNejiTen99]

T's zip-hoodie is super cool. o: Where do I get it?

[@johnhurley8918]

1:34 TK the prophet.

[@jan2l52]

Abadango has lost to 2 Links now, first Izaw, then T. Poor Abadango

[@Kidlink77]

Against Izaw, that was just a friendly game I recall.

[@jan2l52]

oh ok

[@kevinalbarn120]

still a lose

[@aliber885]

Who is better IzAw or T

[@Silverthemystic]

T

[@krisbrown5471]

this is life blood

[@0990machados]

8:19 OP.

[@Spikes_Not_Included]

ABA NOOOOOO!

[@jaredmartin7040]

Link is more of a mid tier IMO

[@showmeyourmoves8551]

Jared Martin your opinion is not important

[@jaredmartin7040]

Who are you the judge of important opinions?lmao

[@Zippyd00da132]

Jared Martin Who are you, the judge of character tier placements?

[@johnhurley8918]

Jared Martin IMO Link is high tier. But I'm very bias.

[@jaredmartin7040]

***** I did say imo so no

[@MrZayJames]

Abadango being the scariest mewtwo out there. getting beat with Link Talk about Woke 😲

[@ejfunny]

who wrote this script?

[@SilverScarletSpider]

T.

[@SrMissileMonkey]

Ezra Washington what script? that shit burned up when Leo got 65th and Zero 49th

[@sotoreplays2544]

Any Mewtwo mains know why Abadongo doesn't fully charge his shadow ball while T is still respawning?

[@Spark31Gaming]

Not a mewtwo main, but mewtwo gets some pretty cool movement tech off of double jump cancel shadow ball (i.e. instand ledge get up to shield with double jump cancel from ledge -> shadow ball -> shield)

[@itsbattleroy]

Icarus he uses shadow ball differently trying for Jab locks and things... fully charged shadow ball can actually hinder performance in some areas for mewtwo and combos do much more damage than the full shadow Ball plus bait

[@kevinalbarn120]

because the fear

[@josiah6969]

Holy fucking shit.

[@zabalyro6865]

Stick to your word MAIN LINK

[@samuelvibritannia4831]

1:40 TK pay up Link got 3rd

[@johnnyweasl1894]

Link is so overpowered...

[@TMRanMw]

well played.

[@saimena12]

Fuck yes!

[@thatdude3977]

as a link main this is cool but he stole my color looks like he now has to face the underground king link... thats me by the way

[@O1DsLeNdYwHiTe]

that dude Who are you? Lol

[@BlaximilianD00d]

Abadongo slipping

[@ugxsan]

Joey'sEvilTwin 9 of the top 10 global PR didn't even make top 8. ZeRo didn't even make Top 32! Civil War shook everything.

[@renishbadarpura7740]

Rip ZeRo Banessa is sad

[@grandmastr2602]

T stands for teeth

[@ygmflighty]

inb4 ZeRo deletes his video complaining about how bad Link is and decides he's top-tier

[@ugxsan]

Well, he was already gonna put Link in his High Tier 2017 video, sooooo...

[@williamalisca4756]

I hate the way Link's up-air looks in Smash 4

[@tjoliver2218]

WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO GOOOOI LIIIIINNNKKKKK

[@みくなに]

Tさんかっこいい

[@ringoyuri9387]

二人ともうんめぇ〜

[@five_6_seven_8]

WITH LINK

[@KxngDxff]

dammit Mewtwo

[@dudelove9]

#22

[@ChillavaKirby]

I wish they'd stop talking about tiers and start appreciating T showing that this character, like many others, can be used regardless of the most popular picks.

[@mo533]

;-D / X-D NICE SET

[@mar3oner315]

Get rekt by Link kappa

[@pokmonjunior]

700+

[@なし-k3h2c]

Tつよ

[@griffinfarrell15]

First

[@dorayaki_take]

Ｔなんか腹立つなw

[@asaemon278]

k_k Tさんすこ

[@めぐみん狂-e7z]

俺はTさん好きだな…

[@源内オラガ]

俺もTさん好きやけど

[@Sonickart]

I always thought link was OP as fuck. Annoying as fuck to play against.

[@SendFoodz]

TKBreezy is gonna main Link, awesome!

[@johnhurley8918]

1:34 TK the prophet.