VR Guide 2022 and Beyond

[@weakestbutterscotchenjoyer]

As someone who has been paying a lot of attention to the vr space for 2 years by now I can say that you really did your research on this video and negated from leaving your own opinion or even dystopian prophecy, very good video! I will send it to anybody interesting in the space.

[@APeXofMarksmen]

I truly don’t understand why other manufacturers aren’t copying the index controllers. Whenever I play on my friends quest 2 all I can think is just how inferior it’s controllers are. The Index controllers are SO much better than the competition that I’d recommend the index for the controllers alone.

[@klystron2010]

Quest 2 needs to track the controllers with the headset, not lighthouses, so I guess they need that ring thing on them. And they just use the headset cameras for finger tracking, but you obviously can't have both controllers and finger tracking at once that way, because the controllers occlude the fingers.

[@fireaza]

Well, that's not much of a surprise, considering the Index controllers cost almost as much as the Quest 2 itself! But yeah, the features and design of the Index controller should be the industry standard.

@@klystron2010 Correct me if I am wrong but controller and finger tracking would be very much possible at the same time. The finger movement and it's tracking would be in no conflict with the controller tracking since the index uses sensors all around the controller to track the finger movement. Other headset could very well implement that feature too. The controllers track the fingers and the headset cameras track the controllers. In addition, the AI tries to correct the lack of data that might occure.

[@masondicroce917]

Considering their price and the huge amount of sensors needed, index controllers don't seem like something that can be sold on the cheap, at least not yet

[@sl_50]

also might be a patent thing (I’m pulling that fact out of my ass, I genuinely don’t know)

[@namenotfound6954]

Please do Half Life Alyx mod showcase. Many cool mods came out lately, completely changing the main gameplay.

[@cementshowcase514]

I can definitely recommend to check the Vaultmaps contests, as there have been many awesome and unique maps created for it(with the last being Portal related). I myself have made multiple maps for Alyx and these contests, mainly trying to take advantage of VR - so fun stuff like Drivable cars or Functional Spaceships and a lot more. There are some showcases on this channel if you're interested.

[@cementshowcase514]

​@thcirblueerf Yeah, it got a little stale initially, as people were still figuring the new Source 2 tools out and by the time some more experimental mods started coming out, there wasn't that many players as a lot of them lost interest. So if you look at the top-rated mods, vast majority of them came out within first few months after the tools were released(which was May of 2020), because new mods have a hard time with getting as many reviews as after the first "boom" of excitement and thus what most players will see are the initial efforts that are very similar to each other. Which is why I believe that exposing the modding community once again could be extremely beneficial for all the modders and players interested in VR and Alyx. It's still a great template for all sorts of VR experiences and the latest mods are definitely the proof of that. I highly recommend you to check it out.

[@SirHorseLegs]

I’m gonna be so happy if Philips includes my C17YSCAPE map if he makes one.

[@cementshowcase514]

Yes, I'd also be very happy if Philip checked maps like: Final Frontier, On A Run, Invasion, Half-Life:Alyx(Yes, that's the name) or perhaps even Mine and House, and if he finds them interesting include them.

[@cementshowcase514]

The youtuber Skummeh would be a great place to start if you look for maps to play. He literally played every single map on the Workshop, recorded his playthrough and made a review with feedback to the creator. Seriously, I can't stress enough how nice and awesome this man is. He's been helping around the community a lot, especially when it comes to helping modders gather feedback, along with other things.

[@WallaWaller]

Of all the VR stuff coming out I'm still amazed that the Index Knuckles are the only controllers that understand it's better to strap to your hand instead of your wrist. Let go of any other controller and your VR hand breaks at the wrist, let go of the Knuckles controllers and your VR hands just open, letting you easily grab something.

[@kilor78]

Mabe a patent thing?

[@WallaWaller]

@@kilor78 I don't think you can patent strapping a thing to your body. I also don't think Valve would bother to force other companies not to use straps, and finally there's third party mods that give you knuckles style straps, so not much of a reason to not have it.

[@kilor78]

@@WallaWaller looking at other ridiculous patents I'm pretty sure a controller and its body mount system can be patented. If valve would have an interest in that I don't know (as far as I know them they won't try to undermine innovation that way, but maybe they patented something along these lines just so no one else can patent it and now no one else wants to risk a lawsuit.) idrk was just a guess

[@edg4rallanbro753]

@@WallaWaller I can see a patent being a problem, but it's also incredibly expensive. It's a great piece of technology, and when cost is a factor, that'll be a problem. The quest 2's greatest asset is that it's cheap, but if they have to use Valve's controller system it might become too expensive to feasibly use.

[@AlexLP0]

I bought controller covers with straps for my Rift S controllers. Its nice to have them in certain games, in BeatSaber it sucks for me though cause I use claw grip. Thats why I take those covers off whenever I want to play Beatsaber

[@PSEUDOSOPHER]

I find it rather confusing that companies still prefer to go with higher and higher resolutions rather than offering finger tracking like the Index. Sure, it’s nice to have a 16k display, but it won’t allow me to flip off people in Pavlov.

[@dagda1180]

@@Beanvee Especially with the current GPU crisis. I'm running VR with a 1060, and I'm glad I can still run certain VR titles. I'm just a little saddened by seeing the focus of higher fidelity graphics, rather than just optimising.

[@Mincecroft]

Competely agree. Everytime I use my Index I am amazed by how good the finger tracking is. It just feels so natural

[@no.7893]

@@dagda1180 yeah honestly vr games are a messy buisness to optimize as it is nevermind with ultra high resolutions in the range of excess. the 1060 struggle is real. every game's a gamble as to whether or not it'll run.

[@no.7893]

just controller comfort in general is an area that needs some attention, I've heard a lot about the index's controllers, and all I can say is the quest 2's leave a lot to be desired, being able to grip objects without pushing a button would do wonders for my hands, not to mention wrist loops should've died with the wii, strapping to the hand sounds miles better. I wish I could buy a pair of index controllers to go with my quest 2

[@totallynotaliar9912]

@@no.7893 You can get hand straps for the Quest that allow you to do that. Admittedly no where near as good as the index controllers, it is still a major step up in my opinion, being able to have the controller "float" on your hand and to grab it in order to grab things virtually; you get the jist. Love mine

[@kilroy987]

This was a great report - no mountain of fluff between the primary points, and the positives and negatives of each device were clearly highlighted - the way all tech reports should be. I'm a little surprised you didn't mention the DecaGear, but the consumer version is pretty much dead, and we have yet to even hear about any actual physical device being sent to preorders.

[@weakestbutterscotchenjoyer]

They're bankrupt and discontinued I believe

[@mineman2002]

The Russian headsets you mentioned are being specifically used for mil sim training, particularly for pilots from what little I've heard about the program. Being manufactured primarily for military use, I doubt we'll be seeing public availability anytime soon

[@toshal22]

The major change I want in VR is an implementation of of leg tracking so movement options get better in games and other applications so that the teleport locomotion ability is sidelined.(without compromising cyber sickness)

[@GlowingOrangeOoze]

I desperately want to punt soda cans whenever I play HL Alyx.

[@jinx8624]

That's been a thing for a while now Most famously the vive trackers

[@toshal22]

@@jinx8624 but other than boneworks no other games have that functionality. And also it isn't in a proper usable state.

[@Taijifufu]

You want to run a marathon while playing games? You want your own physical limitations to dictate movement in a new world?

[@toshal22]

@@Taijifufu no you don't understand, some of foot trackers may allow us to use different movement systems while keeping our hands of the controller making it more immersive. Also you would now be able to access moves like jump and kick. Oh and I actually would love to run a marathon in VR if I got the option, not making it compulsory making it a choice.

[@joedan44]

Love your content philip, glad to see you still around and still making quality guides and so on.

[@TimN-5]

Playing PC VR in my living room, with my PC upstairs in my office, and with no cables or lighthouses to worry about makes the Quest the best for me. Something to be said about no tether cable wrapping around your feet and the freedom to walk around a whole room. And I can do this with no performance dips with just a $120 dedicated wifi 6 router. I was an original Vive owner 4 years ago and it's insane just how far we've come.

[@joshsuttonvfx]

Hey! I’ve been trying to play pcvr games with airlink on the quest 2. I’ve noticed it has been very laggy, and the picture is not great. Even when I have my pc connected to the router in the same room as me, I find it still does not run well. What are your specs so I know what is causing the problems with my experience?

[@joshsuttonvfx]

I just have a laptop with an i7-9500k, GTX 1660 with 16gb of RAM

[@TimN-5]

@@joshsuttonvfx it might be your laptop is too low spec? Try running steam's VR test and see if it's laggy. Otherwise make sure your laptop is hardwired to the router?

[@rhodesianratman1364]

@@joshsuttonvfx There's quite a few factors that aren't just specs. Try to make sure your headset is on your 5 GHz wifi band. Same with your pc if it isn't connected with ethernet. I have specs similar to yours with PC and headset on wifi, not ethernet, and im doing good, even with the headset and pc in separate rooms.

[@generalbacon7476]

Been one of the most efficient video I've seen on the topic

[@danielcolt5542]

I feel like the G2 is underrated and so much more than just "a good option for simmers". Of course if you don''t have a half decent computer it's the quest 2 or nothing but the G2's quality is so much better and factoring the frequent sales the value is arguably better if you are a frequent vr user (well depending on your use case of course). I get that a lot of people were burned by the tracking and fov but if you can get your hands on a version 2 I highly recommend it. It truly is a fantastic piece of hardware, If it had a wireless option, I would never touch my quest 2 again.

[@georgetazberik6834]

"I feel like the G2 is underrated and so much more than just "a good option for simmers". " Seconded, I have had the G2 for over half a year and zero buyer's remorse, especially considering it is often on sale. I have played a lot of Elite Dangerous and appreciate it like that but I have also played a lot of Boneworks, Half Life Alyx, Blade and Sorcery, Pavlov, and Vertigo Remastered, and I never really feel limited in First Person VR games, sure the knuckles controllers are pretty cool, but the reverb g2 controllers are totally fine.

[@olivercook873]

Agree, best vr all round hmd and sold my index after using it a week.

[@MintRobin]

I feel most of his review was really bias. He glossed over the vive pro2 which aside from pimax 8kx is the best consumer headset. It's compatible wirelessly, there's foveated rendering in the works, there's facial tracking, it's 120hz, it uses index controllers (and they're cheaper than the vive controllers, so there was no reason to say the controllers were bad for this headset) it's got a really good fov compared to everything except pimax (including index) but when index came he said "res is a bit out of date" when the res is absolutely abysmal, it's got zero compatibility for wireless etc. it's got equally awful dual stacked glare producing lenses etc but he called it the best all rounder. I strongly believe the G2 is the best all rounder, and I think the VP2 is the successor of the index but not an all rounder because of the lens quality. But he owns an index so I really think that's why he put bias in there, I'm not saying it was intentional, but the index doesn't have the best anything, but it does have the worst image, so I can't call that an all rounder like the G2 is. The only reason the G2 wasn't the all rounder last year was the tracking which is since fixed, now there is zero reason to buy an index over the G2.

[@georgetazberik6834]

@@MintRobin I completely agree, I never owned a headset before middle of last year and when I saw the resolution of the Index compared to all other headsets out there, read the reviews about screen door effect, the fact that it NEEDS lighthouses, I concluded that it was already obsolete and it's more obsolete as time goes on.

[@johnnyfazb3344]

i personally love the G2 and have played games like pavlov with it personally ive not had that much trouble when it comes to the controler tracking it messess up some times but not that much for me.

[@pold111]

im happy with how vr is evolving and i hope to see that vr will be accessible to everyone, if not, almost everyone

[@vladbat4050]

While a bit harder to find than other Headsets the Samsung Odyssey Plus is certainly a good Headset from my experience. Same resolution as the Valve Index, Inside out tracking, better colors, and decent audio quality I never complained about. My main issue would be the FOV of trying to play some VR games and going in the perfect spot out of view of the 2 cameras

[@johnnyfazb3344]

samsung makes headsets?

[@existentialselkath1264]

I just really hope someone like valve makes a true competitor to the budget oculus headsets. I'd be willing to spend a hundred or two more for a budget index as long as its about as good as an oculus but without a scummy company behind it

[@colonelvector]

Literally, literally this

[@iraklimgeladze5223]

They need just drop some price for index

[@MintRobin]

Unfortunately that's the reason oculus sells so cheap, so any contender would be double price today + cost of a gaming PC, but oculus will release something soon which will refresh that value for money meaning any contender will be triple price for the same quality + cost of a gaming PC. This whole reason they're doing this is to monopolise on the budget and mid range VR, they're putting in all the effort to make sure these competitors you mention *can't* exist

[@Underqualified_Gunman]

Valve is working on a successor to the index but it will be more expensive though it will be sold at cost for what consolation that provides

[@albingrahn5576]

@@MintRobin exactly. i'm pretty sure oculus/facebook is losing money on selling quest 2's rn, they have enough money to play the long game so right now they're bleeding out the competitors. it's the same thing amazon does, in 2009 amazon sold diapers at a 100m loss until their competition died, and then they could raise the price to whatever they wanted

[@Masterchezze]

Its kinda funny how quite a few years ago VR was kinda stagnated, like it would be a dead end. But now it is really succesfull and the speed at which it evolves makes it seem like whatever you buy will be ridiculously outdated in like a year. (And for this reason the oculus will be the most profitable since even if it becomes outdated it is still super cheap compared to others)

[@AntiViGames]

I hope you realize that they are selling the Quest 2 at a loss in order to gain a huge market share so they can be in control of the market and lock people down to their storefront in order to recover the funds by selling games and applications not to mention that they are buying up any VR developers and VR game studios they can in order for them to release exclusively on their storefront and in order for them to focus on Quest compatible games and often even Quest exclusive games. In the end Facebook is very Anti Consumer and honestly nobody should support their practices and what they're doing isn't good for VR in the long run at all but we all know that the hardware is good aside from the comfort and nobody can really beat the price since they're selling it at a loss and in order to compete other companies would have to sell at a loss as well and considering the size of those companies compared to Facebook they don't have the amount of available funds in order to get cheaper manufacturing costs by buying in bulk or just by sheer reputation.

[@DeskToyStudios]

Thanks for the info! I've been looking to expand my VR equipment and this opened up a lot of alternatives! I really appreciate it :)

[@Mar_Ten]

I hate that the budget option is one owned by Facebook. I simply don’t want that… :(

[@user-gl1ls1jx3h]

Protip: they're selling the headsets at a loss, because they're getting their revenue from user data and establishing their OS as the standard. This is also why the price/quality ratio is so good. So if someone were to, say, jailbreak the Q2, buying it and hacking it would actually very slightly decrease the amount of money Facebook has.

[@infiniteyeet9235]

@@user-gl1ls1jx3h I don’t think they’d risk actually loosing money with the quest 2 if no one bought tithe company would be fine. They probably make most of the money back on game sales the games in the quest store are pretty expensive and a lot of people don’t use pcvr. It’s the same thing every console does.

[@joostfloot5279]

@Ramses 7 are you 100% sure that you can use it without having a Facebook account?

[@Mar_Ten]

@Ramses 7 Yet it still provides information to Facebook probably. Their software is probably embedded in it.

[@beanos2287]

@@user-gl1ls1jx3h the quality isn't actually that great. I had 9 of them and they all had lenses with defects.

[@doctor_dinosaur]

Strange to have a comprehensive kliksphilip guide released right as I'd started to look into buying a headset myself. I think for now, with so much coming up next year and beyond, I'm going to hold on and hope something good comes into fruition. I was this close to buying a quest 2 before that! But now, I'm hoping for some further down the line wireless tech with some better inside out tracking. The Index 2 sounds like just what the market needs to push in that direction.

[@killingtimeitself]

to me it seems the whole vr scene right now is early adopter tech still, so im waiting until things start to slow down developmentally atleast.

[@swingly6061]

I do believe whatever Valve is cooking could take another year, they're still working on the Deck after all. Facebook(Meta)'s next headset "Project Cambria" will be more of a prosumer headset, all we know of the pricing is it's more expensive than a Quest 2, so if you just wanna get in on VR, the Quest 2 won't be replaced entirely by Cambria.

[@killingtimeitself]

@@swingly6061 im not intending on supporting facebook anytime soon so im prepared to wait a while.

[@christopher8530]

Thank you! This rundown of what's coming in 2022 came at exactly the right time!

[@BenjaminEmm]

This is all super exciting for the VR space. I love the innovation and I love the competition. I've had the HTC Vive since 2016 and since then, have acquired over 50 VR games. I play at least 10 hours per week and have seen the evolution of VR tech and game mechanics over the past 5/6 years - it's all been fantastic. My take on all this is that for me *personally* for me to shell out the cash for a new VR headset, it'll be the NEXT generation of VR tech that gets me to put my hand in my pocket. Am I missing out on resolution and clarity still sitting on my HTC Vive? Certainly! Do I have the best controllers out there? Nope! Am I missing out on the comfort other headsets bring? Oh yeah! I feel though, like those things are only really emphasized when you get the opportunity to compare them side by side. For example, I didn't realize what I was missing in resolution until I got to try someones Quest 2, same with the comfort. So If I manage to trick myself into looking the other way for another year or two, I don't think I'll be any worse off game-play wise, especially having a PC that can do some supersampling within the SteamVR settings. But I just can't part with my Vive right now. Non of these next generation headsets seem to be the "full package". The Index has the controllers and the speakers - but not the resolution. The HP Reverb G2 has the resolution, the comfort however the controllers don't quite compare to the Index, nor do the stability or the speakers. For me, that's the reason I'm holding off for whatever comes *AFTER* this. I'm hoping that the "Next, next" headsets, will be a golden year for VR, similar to how the 30 series GPU's were a golden year for gaming. If you're buying your first VR headset, you can't go wrong with any of these options and you'll be having a fantastic time with any of them, but for me - I just can't part with my trust Vive yet... flaws and all.

[@AdlerWeber]

This is a great take on the current state of VR. I also own a Vive, circa 2017, and I was absolutely blown away by the comfort of my friend’s new Quest 2! Four years ago I would have told you I was disappointed because it seemed to be nothing more than gimmick. Now I really believe the Quest 2 is shaping the future of affordable access to VR. I’m glad there’s finally mainstream competition

[@lensy6]

Between the last video and this one I both bought a VR headset, and also sold it some months later because I rarely used it for more than using my PC while in bed.

[@jujuteuxOfficial]

the next valve index and other gears are working on making eye tracking rendering that would allow from a 16x to over 64x reduction in processing needs as they only render a 5-10° cone of your vision and the rest is LOD'd away, the larger the FOV the larger the ratio you could have a 8K screen and render fully only a 1024x1024 circle where your eyes look at this will change the game entirely, the games could be run entirely on the headset instead of running on an external PC

[@Taijifufu]

We'll see since any time I've seen it in practice it's too slow to update. You look at something and it's great, but turn your head and everything is blurry for a split second every time. It's much more disorienting than just plain upscaling everything instead.

[@jujuteuxOfficial]

@@Taijifufu yeah it's all about getting that eye tracking quality up

[@thenonexistinghero]

@@Taijifufu They could render the rest in a lower resolution or something and have it quickly adjust. But it shouldn't be noticably longer than it takes to adjust sight in real life, so I imagine it'll take a few more years before the tech is that fast.

[@Navhkrin]

Your statistics are absolute bullshit. Valve's official research documentation shows around %60 FPS increase with foveated rendering. Not "16x to over 64x". Your peripheral visual is not as detailed yes, but you still can't get away with rendering those parts at too low resolution, They still need to be decently high - like 1080p. Especially since you can still perceive sharp contrast differences in peripheral vision pretty well (think of stars for example, rendering stars at low resolution would result in very-very annoying popping artifacts.) And it is not like current games are not using same tricks. They just apply it to center of the image instead of having the effect where you are focusing at. This is of course, unless you are fully content with having 5 degree FoV. But even then game engine still needs to process all the AI behaviour, physics etc just the same.

[@jujuteuxOfficial]

@@Navhkrin no, current games don't They use viewport culling, wich still renders the entire screen In this case we can reduce the render from two 5k screens to 2 1080p screens, wich is 25x faster. hell you could even go lower if you made the resolution an actual circle since it's 57% less vs a square and the 1080 is a 16:9 So 5^2/((1-0.785)*9/16) = 57x reduction at the 10° reading cone Everything else can be basically set to potato mode and you get a 55 ppd headset with a ~50x increase in fps

[@VinLyScratchton]

Just bought a index for Christmas for myself and i can say. Its really good and i think eveyone that is investing in vr in 2022 are making the right choice. As long as more good titles release

[@mktwos]

as someone with a vive pro 2, i do have to say that with a 6mm face pad, and a lot of adjusting the headset for comfort, the headset is the most immersive experience i’ve had. i’ve been the lucky few who haven’t had an issue with the overlap or the sweet spot but if you are unable to get a valve index, your next bet is a vive pro 2.

[@valajonny9162]

0:28 wouldn't be a kliksphilip video without the AI upscaled text

[@legendp2011]

I think the upcoming quest pro in 2022 will be huge for people who don't mind spending a bit more (mainly in the comfort area, looks to be much lighter)

[@chunkylover5367]

We'll have to wait and see, but I'm pretty sure it's the quest 3 that's going to use an OLED screen. I'm pretty big into horror and atmospheric games, and I was shocked at how much worse quest 2 and Index are vs Vive 1 in this regard.

[@SpookySkeletonGang]

Half Life Alyx is one of the best games I played last decade, and reminded me of how I felt when I first played a 3D game (Mario 64). It has flaws, but it's truely a next gen game.

[@telgou]

I am honestly asking, what is next gen about it ?

[@Jacksaur_]

@@telgou The fact that it's the first VR game so far to truly make full use of the platform. Boneworks tried but ended up being a clunky physics tech demo. Alyx is a true game, and makes use of VR in the best possible ways.

[@telgou]

@@Jacksaur_ You just repeated the original comment's point but made it 5 times longer. What are the examples of it making use of VR in the best way ?

[@cate01a]

Oh yeah I suppose that's right. Like if the definition of being next gen is to make a decent game on a new platform, well you got pavlov and likely many others. HLA I then don't think is anything special, apart from that it's a game with great (valve) attention to detail - I find it a boring, pretty walking simulator, with basic though enjoyable (but very short) combat.

[@friendofp.24]

@@telgou The game's mechanics are designed entirely for VR, but also doesn't fall into the tropes most gimmicky VR games follow. The game's gravity gun, the gravity hands, make total sense for VR controllers. A huge amount of objects are physics based. They also have a huge amount of detail, interactivity, and often times react with other objects in the world, which heavily compliments VR's level of input. Levels in Alyx are designed so that you won't need to spin around too much, they are crammed with those aforementioned physics objects to gawk at. Combat encounters focus more on tactics, staying behind cover, flanking, rather than guns blazing. Guns blazing and 30 enemies on screen is much harder in VR. The game doesn't do weird restrictions that make it feel gimmicky, like locking you in a tight area like most VR games, or relying entirely some niche mechanic. Plus, the game is structured and feels like an actual, linear story based game like Half Life 2, and not a tech demo with a story tacked on.

[@everything71]

0:21 well of course the tracking is good, its made by Facebook

[@karthiksnayak]

Underrated

[@noice7381]

4:50 was not expecting such a savage burn in a VR hardware video

[@henrik1743]

I'll trust it once the devices are seen, since the HP Reverb first version jebaited many people from early reviews

[@gulfcoaster210]

Reverb g2 v2 is the goat for 1000$ or less. The improved tracking is a game changer for the reverb. Better fov and sweet spot is also a plus. Picture quality is worlds better than the index and the tracking is on par with the quest 2 now.

[@sovietlovehammer]

I just got a HP Reverb G2 for 330 dollars, I know there are more/better stuff coming out, but for almost 300 dollars cheaper I just had to get it and I am in love with it.

[@rtyzxc]

Depending on local prices and sales, Reverb G2 can be superb value. It might not best VR all-rounder, but it's really premium headset.

[@isaacweisberg3571]

The music is new and I like it

[@IgnatRemizov]

Hell yeah, VR is so cool. Thanks for the summary. I'd love to get my hands on the Varjo VR-3 to test out, it's probably the best VR headset right now if money is not an issue.

[@vindiesel682]

Hopefully something comes out that gives the quest some real competition

[@StiekemeHenk]

If it does, Meta will buy the company and fizzle it out. That's what they all do, buy and consume before they compete.

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

reverb g2. But best competitor is honestly rift s. yeah I know, it's older and not being sold anymore

[@StiekemeHenk]

@@user-wq9mw2xz3j Since when is the reverb standalone, so a full package for 300

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

@@StiekemeHenk for pc vr. couldn't care less for non pc. also there are more alternatives there

[@StiekemeHenk]

@@user-wq9mw2xz3j if its for PC its not even near competition for a Quest, its 2 different markets and PC is the niche. So what alternative standalone device is there around 300 bucks available in the EU or US with actual games in its store.

[@joostfloot5279]

This video was exactly what I've been looking for, what a coincidence!

[@emerson-biggons7078]

All I want is basically what Pimax Promised in their new 12k headset, everything they promised is my ideal headset. So here's to hoping they follow through for once

[@VisualBasic6]

One incredible uses for augmented reality is for flight simulators, If you think a full VR setup where your hands reach out in a virtual cockpit is fun, or if you think physical hardware with a screen in front of you is fun, imagine having the benefits of both. 100% physical buttons and layout like the real thing, but when you look "out the window" (keyed by a greenscreen) you're looking in the "AR" world, outside of the aircraft like you would in real life. It's truly insane how good it feels too. It's tremendously expensive of course, but such a joy to fly.

[@kamikazilucas]

if psvr too has the better lens which makes it lighter and smaller i will be very happy, a big problem when using vr is how heavy it is on my nose so it would be alot better

[@thenonexistinghero]

Well, for the Arpara 5K Tethered and AIO versions they did manage to increase the brightness by 40%. It should be around 95 nits now and comparable to most other VR headsets (but not the brightest ones, obviously). There's still a decent amount of questions left about the AIO version... but my main concern is the tracking. I hope it's good, since no other VR headset capable of wireless streaming from the PC is better than the Quest 2 and it's a question if one will even release this year. Well, we should know soon once KZbinrs get their hands on the AIO version this month, before the Kickstarter ends.

[@danmur15]

I wont be able to take mixed reality seriously until we get more stuff like those Huawei glasses at the end. I want mixed reality where you might not even tell it was a headset until you put it on

[@phoenixvance6642]

I'm eagerly waiting for something to come in that competes with the price point of Oculus stuff.

[@meyomix2816]

you should make a video about the state of vr every year or 6-8 months

[@noam15A]

Should've also mentioned headsets than can be bought second hand for a good price. Quest, Rift S and CV1 are still good value for 150$ used

[@TayoTheT1000]

There was an optics company that were making VR displays that used projectors to project layers on, behind, and in front of your retinas. I forget what the company was called, but I'm really hoping that tech makes it's way into the consumer market.

[@wesleybcrowen]

Trying out Resident Evil 2 Remake in VR is a good start of the year.

[@nervigeskind3131]

I think that steam deck is definitely a stepping stone to standalone headset

[@EnzoBergstrom]

Oculus quest 2 actually has exclusives that PC does not have. Mainly resident evil 4 VR.

[@helved807]

I'm looking forward to full hand tracking gloves coming to the consumer market at reasonable prices

[@Gheno]

Yeah, although the quest 2 has already a really interesting hand tracking feature. Maybe gloves won't be necessary

[@charlesveegetable2201]

I've kinda pinned my mindset down, I keep telling myself that I'm going to buy the oculus quest 3 when it launches, ive been telling myself that for about a year, and now I feel like it's deffinitly too late to get one, I don't have a whole lot of income, so I wanna get it when it's fresh. In other words, I don't want to buy the quest 2 just for the quest 3 to release 6 months later

[@ZooL_Smith]

Really not disappointed by the Quest2.. it's a bit buggy when you wanna try to get it on PC.. but it's totally worth every penny for what it has to offer.

[@UberPanzerhund]

But is it worth selling your soul to faceb-- i mean, Meta? I mean idk I own one too

[@HandsomeGamerGuy]

@@UberPanzerhund Well if you don't, you sell your Soul to Steam.

[@ZooL_Smith]

@@UberPanzerhund idk, I've disabled the most I could, my facebook is empty anyway haha. If corporations want your data, they'll manage to get it anyway.

[@Game_Crunch]

@@UberPanzerhund You can setup a Quest 2 without a facebook account, it's a bit tricky but I know it's possible. There are some videos on youtube about it

[@Skerathh]

@@Game_Crunch They'll drop the Facebook integration next year too. They'll still continue to monitor your date though through your Oculus account

[@Jackikins]

One thing that always perplexes me is how DLSS or FSR is just seemingly not implemented into VR games. It seems like those technologies are just meant for eachother. Maybe with AMD doing that "FSR on all games" thing with their drivers, it might open up the gates to see how it might improve performance on weaker hardware for VR users who can sure as hell get a headset, but no get a GPU because of this whole scalping crisis going on.

[@harrifongostudios]

There is an FSR mod that can be installed on a lot of games to help performance.

[@vgaggia]

@@harrifongostudios It would be extremely helpful if you'd tell us the name of the mod.

[@Mugnum_]

I heard that DLSS is difficult to implement because of it's temporal nature. I also heard that VR games are tend to be made using forward rendering for antialiasing, latency and performance reasons... which I imagine makes adding DLSS even more difficult. It's hard to find concrete info on this online at the moment. If somebody more knowledgeable can chip in, feel free to do so.

[@SpookieD00kie]

The reason ill be sticking with the quest 2 is the lack of wires and being able to stream from my pc. Yes, if I had a more expensive unit it would be able to output higher quality images, faster refresh rates and better tracking, but honestly having that one heavy wire dismantles all immersion for me

[@Navhkrin]

Precisely, I can even have 2 rooms between my PC and where I use Quest 2 and it still works really good! Nothing beats ease of usage. And Its not like Quest 2 is lacking is resolution either, it has really high res.

[@brandon8384]

Great but tbh i stopped using quest 2 after getting almost every glitch that could imagine on the quest 2 i hated it after like 6 months or so it was bad

[@PashaGamingYT]

It should DEFINITELY be noted that Pimax names their headsets as 4x the actual resolution This means the Pimax “5K” is actually 1440p The Pimax “8K” is actually 4K (2160p) And the Pimax “12K” is likely 6K, and you weren’t going to be driving 12K without a 4090 anyway

[@Xanbunny]

The HP Reverb G2 is sooo good

[@ObitoUchihaisgay]

Got my Samsung Odyssey+ for 200€ used. Don't use it too often, but probably the best PC upgrade for the price

[@Glafuski]

Jus yesterday i decided to buy reverb G2. You mentioned that it is going to have upgraded version. But however it is only available in US at the moment.

[@zarrowthehorse]

Why isn't field of view more taken into account? I find that it's just so immersion-breaking when the field of view is low on headsets

[@ParticleGhost3453]

I would still get the valve index, even if it's resolution is low. I do hope that a new valve index headset is updated for high resolution in the future.

[@najtrows]

I'm still on a OG Vive and think it's still a great experience. But the resolution makes me want more sometimes, a resolution where watching a whole movie or a tv-show on my headset without a bad experience would be really cool. The controllers would be cool to upgrade but I have never been annoyed at the OG Vive sticks tbh, they work great still! Would the Quest 2 feel like a upgrade worth the money? I'm not rich by any means so a upgrade for me would need to mean a much better experience and I'm not sure that any of the "cheaper" headsets is worth it.

[@GorujoCY2]

I think the G2 and Quest are a great option considering your potential budget however Thrillseeker did review the V2 of HP Reverb G2 and if you are a VRChat user then it might be best to use a Quest 2 but both don't have the best fov but since you don't wanna spend a fortune, it's actually okay

[@najtrows]

@@GorujoCY2 Thank you for the reply! I will probably look more into these options to see what I feel. I might have some tax returns coming in this year so it's not out of my possibility to get either of these.

[@RacingRalphEVO]

It’s odd that you didn’t mention the Pimax 8kx. It seems to get positive reviews and it has the best FOV on the market by far - something that is difficult to overlook. I personally stick with my reverb, since I wory that even a 3090 will come short when trying to play simulators like Assetto Corsa Competizione on the 8kx.

[@SplitScreamOFFICIAL]

'Strange he didn't mention a Ferrari in the best road vehicles of 2022"

[@georgetazberik6834]

@@SplitScreamOFFICIAL He mentioned the Varjo Aero, which is way more expensive than the Pimax 8kx.

[@RacingRalphEVO]

@@SplitScreamOFFICIAL He also mentioned the Vive Pro 2, which is similarily priced…

[@FiNiTe_weeb]

True, tho I hear ppl have been having issues with the far reaches of the fov being distorted.

[@georgetazberik6834]

The fov being distorted is an artifact related to eye tracking, the pimax 12k will have fully implemented eye tracking so I imagine those bugs will be completely worked out. I'm really hyped for it tbh.

[@johannesb7013]

Got the Quest 2 and it's crazy how good it is

[@MinnySteppa]

Especially with the low price compared to other headsets

[@yeetleslaw8529]

I brought a quest 2 a few months ago. It's a game changer. As much as I hate facebook, they really did make a great headset. Honestly, 300usd is a perfect price just to play VRchat. lol VRchat already stole over 1k hours from me. I'm just waiting for GPU prices to drop so I can finally play half life alyx. My poor RX570 can't keep up with HL:A T_T

[@exodia275]

I wanted to ask: can you play pirated games on it while not doing anything such as jailbreaking it?

[@dylanpresidafonseca2545]

@@exodia275 you can if you just take a video signal from a pc.

[@gmt1]

Have you looked into using FSR to improve performance?

[@eglewether5523]

I think so far the problem with VR is actually the games, not devices ... there is very few games that are actually good/enjoyable/worth it, majority are "same as on pc/console but you have screen directly on your face" and the rest are minigames that are fun to show when your friends visit you but nothing that you could spend 50 hours a day in like, some VR mmo or something ...

[@Sedokun]

The problem of Game Dev is both the tools and the customers. As long as the VR is a niche product devs are not able to spend lots of money and time on it and hope for nice sales. And the tools, like UE4/Unity are not VR first products. (UE4 only "fixed" the VR template in 4.27/latest release, and added proper OpenXR API integration) Many hardware developers still can't settle on some fixed API, each manufacturer making custom software "middleware". Even OpenXR is not solving the issue completely. Oculus games are completely different from PCVR, as the hardware there is very weak, plus it's an Android/ARM platform.

[@battmarn]

The dream VR setup I'm waiting for is wireless with minimal screen door effect

[@littlenickjr]

Quest 2?

[@iron3764]

I decided to buy a Oculus Quest 2 after seeing all the positive reviews, when I first got to try it, I was so dissapointed, the FOV is so low, it doesnt feel inmersive, it just feels like you have a monitor really up close to your face, or its like you wearing diving googles. Absolutely destroyed my experience and I just gave it to someone else.

[@hoti257]

It is a nice budget option ,it is a bit disappointing especially the resolution for me but I enjoy it still ,in the end it's the game you play that matter the most for me

[@FedericoTrentonGame]

will you make a videogame guide as well? I got some more titles in these steam sales but I'm interested to know what's coming up in the near future :D

[@sealofapproval3163]

I'm so hoping that we will see a inside out tracking kit from Valve

[@TikkaQrow]

You should include that options past the Quest 2 require a gaming PC capable of mid range gaming at a minimum. Whatever those cost in 2022....

[@casedistorted]

I have an Oculus Rift CV1 I bought from a friend for $150 USD but then we got the kids an Oculus Quest 2 128GB for $300 plus elite strap and Logitech earphones for Xmas, and they have not put it down. I really don’t like that you can’t play rift games on the Quest 2 without some kind of AirLink cable, or vice versa (so hard to play games together with two VR headsets) but so far the kids will not put down their headset and with no cables or PC needed it’s really convenient for them. Only issue is the lenses and how they keep getting them greasy with their eyelashes, etc. I haven’t even bothered to clean the lenses yet because last time I used a microfiber towel on my CV1 I scratched the lense barely just trying to get a bit of dust off. Really wish the lenses & the battery inside these headsets were replaceable. Also not sure how I get higher framerate in the Quest 2 & didn’t know it had that option but I’ll see if I can figure that out. I def like the clearer resolution of the Quest 2 over the screen door I get with the CV1

[@FiNiTe_weeb]

Airlink is the wireless (preferably done over 5ghz wifi or wifi6) solution. (Theres also Virtual Desktop for quest which also can be used for wireless pcvr, it's paid but some ppl prefer it) Link is the cabled solution, though I don't see the issue since CV1 also needs a cable anyway, if you're worried about the official cable costing alot, there are cheaper 3rd party cables (technically any usb 3.0+ cable thats long enough and has a type c connector should work) Are you sure you cleaned the microfiber cloth before using it? Maybe it had some sharp dust idk? I had a vive and now a q2 and never had issues with my microfiber cloth scratching the lens. 120 Hz can be enabled in experimental settings. If you wanna use 120 Hz for PCVR ur gonna need to go to Oculus app=>Devices=>Q2 and Touch=>Graphics Preferences and set 120 Hz. I too wish Q2 would be easier to replace stuff on and had more open software, but unfortunately that's the current situation for alot of tech :(

[@6Twisted]

I gave my Index to my brothers when I got bored of it after a few months. Looking forward to the next gen of VR that addresses some of its shortcomings though (lack of quality games, wired, limited resolution, limited contrast, bulky headset, no full body tracking, noisy tracking stations).

[@grqfes]

???

[@Mincecroft]

Yeah the wired aspect is certainly my main problem. I don't find the base stations too bad though. They are noisy but it's not like you can hear them whilst gaming

[@NoelJasik]

I personally only really play pavlov on my headset, and my biggest problem is the weight of the headset and not the best tracking (i use vive cosmos lol) i had a pretty seriouse skull injury few years ago doesn't affect me that much unless i put too much pressure on it making the headset extra uncomfortable, if i wear a hoodie it's way better but also gets really hot. Tldr: vr is great but the headsets are way to heavy

[@luider8795]

there is a severe lack of good games. I can't find anything fun to play in vr with my friends. they are either too hard to run, not multiplayer, or fantasy garbage

[@luider8795]

btw I use a ceiling mount on my g2 so it feels wireless

[@Techyyy]

sometime in the future I can have those glasses Agent Norman Jayden had in Heavy Rain

[@NoahRichard]

Hey Philip, would you consider making another video like this for 2023? I'm thinking about trading in my first gen Vive for something wireless and easier to use, but doing research into the market it looks like there are a ton of potential new headsets coming later this year; so I'm unsure whether to go for something like a Quest 2 now, or to wait and see what we get (like Valve's "Deckard", especially since I already have the Index Knuckles). Regardless, I greatly appreciate the time and effort put into this video, and I'll definitely be using it as a resource when I make my decision. Thanks!

[@joonatan1032]

What do you mean Pimax underdelivered? I've had their headset more than 2 years and could've not made a better choice for a vr headset. How has noone else tried pushing the VR headsets like pimax has, especially the fov. Most baffling to me is that everyone else is still stuck with 120 fov or less, while Pimax is at 200. They do deliver, may it be a bit late. They can be a bit overoptimistic on their deliveries dates, but the end product works.

[@chompers5568]

I bought a quest 2 because I had credit on ebuyer but they had no GPU. You can side load what ever you want and completely avoid Facebook. For the price the quest 2 is the most value I've ever had from hardware. It's amazing and it being able to connect to a PC and run PCVR titles makes it kind of unbeatable for me. With Facebook subsidising the quest it's hard to find anything at its price even in the next year.

[@jerrodshack7610]

Don't you still need a Facebook account to actually use the device at all?

[@NanyaBissness]

Okay so, the Lynx R1 just screams Dystopian future. If it doesn't, I don't know what will.

[@i0.0t]

Beautiful music

[@plastefuchs666]

This is the first time I have heard of Roscosmos vr system. Considering how the whole company is run, I doubt it is real.

[@dyas4881]

The music sounds like Shine on you Crazy Diamond

[@Web720]

Isnt the Samsung Odyessy+ more cheaper than Quest 2? It's OLED 90Hz and better resolution and FOV. Got it for $230. 4:50 I bet it's because of the failure of the Kinect so they feel VR is akin to that and they REALLY don't want another Kinect.

[@swingly6061]

It has been discontinued for quite a while, has lower per eye resolution (1440x1600 vs Quest 2's 1832x1920), and uses WMR tracking, which is the reason the Reverb G2 is mostly used for simulation, where you don't need controllers. The Odyssey+ sure was the best WMR headset back in 2018/2019, but it's not an option any more.

[@JoeMustache321]

Hopefully Valve announces a release date at E3 this year for their new headset

[@rocksnaek]

0:24 Philip AI Upscaling a textbox? Nice

[@jordirapper]

I hope the psvr2 headset might be used on pc. I hate LCD panels. It's like comparing todays TV to the big TV box from decades ago. Also why is index the only controller to strap on your palms? This makes vr games way more immersive. I am also curious when we will see the solution to locomotion. I am fine with stick but it would be awesome to be able to manually run in some fashion.

[@bolsius1172]

I can only hope that a lot of pc games will be ported to psvr2, because it has a lot potencial to be one of the best vr headsets out there. And im one of the lucky ones to have a ps5.

[@grubwirld]

Still chugging along on my original htc

[@ingusmant]

What we need is more AAA vr games like alyx, most of the stuff out there its phone-tier and not because of the quest

[@3adir_]

Look into psvr2.

[@Hanstra]

I get the feeling that the Half Dive will have lots of potential for more... 'intimate' VR experiences.

[@too_oden2199]

Just bought my Vive pro 2 with Valve index controllers yesterday...wish me luck.

[@jlewwis1995]

The lynx r1 doesn't look like it would be so great for gaming since it doesn't even look like it covers around your entire eye so it looks like a lot of light will leak in from the sides so unless your playing in the dark it's probably not gonna be so great unless they add some bottom and side blinder accessory you can flip up and fully block the side and bottom :v It would probably be great for ar though

[@cheese_man2717]

I love the hardware but we need more games like half life alyx

[@lalgg2907]

I love your videos keep up and good luck to you

[@L3THALXFOX]

There should be 4 adaptive triggers. Each giving resistance

[@pizza_lizard]

I can't believe you forgot to mention the $22 DIY VR gloves :^)

[@falxie_]

I appreciate the shout out to SadlyItsBradly

[@Pogram1]

I recently got my own Quest 2. Tested it and had to make a few days break, pulled a muscle swinging sword in Until You Fall. Do you have any recommendation for fun SINGLE PLAYER games? Some military shoters prehaps? Or all are multiplayer only?

[@thenonexistinghero]

Resident Evil 4 VR is probably the best single player game that's available in VR and I think the VR version is exclusive to the Quest 2 (for now, at least).

[@kairu_]

Try Roblox VR, some games have vr support, but not all

[@isaacweisberg3571]

Philip, can you make a video on pancake lenses?

[@akat0nus]

please do more vr stuff!!!

[@mikejox]

Keep up the good content

[@youju26]

Maybe I will buy a VR Headset at the end of the year. I especially want to play Half-Life: Alyx. Should I wait for the Valve Index 2, or buy the Valve Index 1?