2nd Alarm Fire; Mineral Springs Hotel & Bar, Forks Township PA | 10.22.13

[@freeamericausa1]

Many of us who watched that video. CHOOSE NOT to say what we should say about what we saw. It's the brotherhood/sisterhood kind of respect. Those who were there SHOULD be asking the important questions, and getting honest answers.

[@someotherdude]

I would love to know what you're referring to.... but I'm a bit late. What I saw, however, is firemen not making a real effort to put out the fire. I've never understood that. Watch as they spray water anywhere but the hotspots of the fire. For example, at 1:19.

[@Trojanny]

Ever hear getting at the base of flames, instead of pouring in from top, letting suffocating steam just vaporize into air ??

[@larryrwendelljr4465]

Great filming of the fire. You have very steady hand, well done video, Thank you for sharing.

[@kimberlyboysza4954]

I just watched this video. What a fire. It reminded me of one we had here a year ago. It was a neighborhood bar with apartments. The building was 119 years old. Thank heaven no one was hurt but the building was destroyed. It never had any problems in the past. The owner had just got done remodeling one of the apartments so he tenents could get around better and to be able to get out.

[@andyhamilton8940]

What were those FDCs for on that front wall?

[@brianmuller1643]

I have a question because I didn't see it. Was there any interior attack? Was there some interior hazard which made this an exterior only? Was it due to limited water supply? Seeing 1 3/4 lines on such a heavy fire load.....was that also due to limited water supply?

[@PUFCKG]

Excellent video. Refreshing to have radio traffic in the background and not crap music.

[@davemarshall706]

Just not enough water supply for the job. Would have been frustrating.

[@scottdore1578]

I feel bad for the firefighting these people have great equipment but it seems like water supply lets them down for god sakes the rowhomes should tell you that you need to upgrade the pipes for larger applications these guys are given hige fireloads n hardly any water supply I live rural and we know no hydrants bit when you got hydrants and then the water comp or township fails to upgrade or maintain them its just sad it gives the ffs a black eye aswell

[@firebuffvideo]

Why is it that there are no hoses hooked up to the 2 separate sprinkler connections? Nice video getting the overall scene. Where is the aerial video? :)

[@Deletemycomment]

Any updates?. Is she out of prison yet?

[@pizzasubs]

I have seen those tanker truck a lot of times and just like in the vide here how they fill up let's call them pools with water, but just have always been curious, why do they have to use those pools and then have to place the hoses in them to suck out the water, am very surprised that those tanker truck just don't have hose hookups on them just like regular fire trucks have just so the water can just go from the tanker and then through the hoses, I know that the reason why they use those pools is just so once the tanker empties out it's load of water, they can immediately leave a go refill them just like the ones I see that the construction companies uses.......

[@Anvilfist1]

Dumping the water in the "Pools" is faster then hooking/unhooking the tankers when they pull up.

[@BOB2pointzero]

the pools act as the water source (due to no hydrants in the area) for the pumpers, as the tender (tanker truck) goes and refills at a water source. if the water is needed at a higher rate, multiple tenders will rotate, as one is going to the scene to dump, another is going to fill up.

[@pizzasubs]

was just looking at that pool myself and to tell you the truth, if somebody wasn't able to afford a real full sized in-ground poll, one of those that the fire department has would work, looks big enough to swim in when completely filled with water...LOL, When they showed the section of the place where the satellite dishes were, I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that the heat from the fire actually didn't melt them.....LOL

[@lemonade55able]

Lol the guy at 6:50 is like " really? why you filmin' me "

[@kimberlyboysza4954]

Does anyone know if the owner rebuilted this business and old was the building.

[@Minuteman3inflight]

Looks like water supply was not close. Pumper relay??

[@enid0mom]

Actually, the Delaware River is directly across the street. Less than 200 feet away. Even so, it still takes time to fill the tanker.

[@rogerneon]

enid0mom Can the pumpers draft directly from the river and bypass the tankers?

[@Anvilfist1]

I think that would be to far to do that but maybe not

[@enid0mom]

I am not a firefighter, so that is a technical question I cannot answer. I am sure only the firefighters there know all the variables that would make that a viable alternative.

[@AndrewSmith-xd6mz]

Tender shuttle. Pumpers, or engines are the rigs actually pumping water to the attack lines. And no, you can't lay 200 feet of hard suction hose. Water tenders quick dump into the portable tank which can hold 2000 gallons or more. The next tender comes up while the empty tender goes to refill at the water source. Either a hydrant, river,ect.

[@mariah9469]

She destroyed a landmark and took the life of someone who served this country. Heartbreaking and disgusting. She deserves what she gets.

[@christopheryoung8190]

Looks like an incredibly expensive domestic dispute. Did the sprinklers only serve the kitchen? That why they weren't pumped? Looks like your guys saved most of the building, though needs massive repairs. I'd been tempted to lay in 2 1/2 into the building and wye to inch and a half. Do interior attack as much as possible. How close was the river? Able to lay in relay lines from the river to the fire? This is one such fire, where I'd have put in for lawn chairs so the guys don't have to stand around all the time. Lawn chairs, and a gas grille, to keep the guys fed. And a porta potty as needed. Overall, great job.

[@marcbach5880]

Not your best day was it?

[@newsworking]

Thanks Marty!

[@jubelet]

If we stand here long enough, it'll burn down to the point where we can reach it.

[@robertyoung3992]

they have water issues imbecile,there were no hydrants ,or can't you read?

[@gliderydin2911]

@@robertyoung3992 about a half block away there was a driveway that would of afforded them direct access to the Delaware River why not use said driveway to tap into a limitless source of water to draft from? Thats just a question not an argument

[@Og-Judy]

Google maps you have o go back to 2008 view to see what it looked like pre-fire. Just stone and concrete remains. Apparently it wasn't worth rebuilding.

[@TheElwoodBluez]

Why were they using foam on the roof on the already burned out section? Why was the portable pond set up right in front? Why was the Tower pissing water in the window below and to the far right of the advancing fire? So many questions...

[@paser11385]

what were they trying to put the fire out with? THOUGHTS & PRAYERS. the white helmet is a book smart officer, as seen by his attempt to vent windows.

[@jubelet]

Excellent video!

[@jomamma1356]

I would have used a 2 1/2 instead of the 1 1/2 or 1 3/4...

[@AndrewSmith-xd6mz]

Not if you don't have adequate water supply. Those 2 1/2" hoses just become limp noodles.

[@timcwynar313]

***** yes

[@notthatdonald1385]

I woulda took a 1-3/4 into the fire building upon arrival. I saw the 2 guys turning out but nah just bust some windows and give the fire more oxygen.

[@grumpyscatsbestfriend5990]

Did I see double Q's on the Hecktown Tanker??

[@gliderydin2911]

Ones hiding an electronic siren speaker

[@tbio2]

.Why is everyone, well, most anyway, a damn critic? Enough with the armchair firefighters! Even I know that every department is different and have their own way of doing things. Like Paulie Walnuts for instance, nice name btw, just mind your own and stop pretending to be an expert on how other stations should run their stations.

[@ericpl7227]

Because people that watch VIDEOS know everything! Especially when they are watching form the safety of their living room! It's real easy to "be a hero" when you aren't actually near the danger! That and they've seen it in the movies, so they are experts now!

[@markmullin4246]

Sad this business was destroyed because of a domestic dispute! Hope,the girlfriend, is doing some serious time in lockup!

[@Og-Judy]

Prison for manslaughter and arson 5 to ten years at the time. She is likely out already. Start the bed on fire because you didn't like it and the boyfriend being domineering Good grief. A man died of his injuries and others living in the apartments lost everything. Hope she got Psychiatric care

[@alexandermakrianis]

I hate trying to hit an involved roof from the ground with 1 3/4 or 2 1/2 attack line and watching the water either hit the roof just below or shoot over the fire without actually hitting the fire. Its just wasted effort, and wasted water. That's where aerial master streams really make a difference.

[@alexandermakrianis]

***** They definitely are, but even a Telesquirt or something that can get water directly onto a fire in a taller building like the one in this video are an advantage.

[@TheWaynelds]

Hmmm, So how did a domestic dispute escalate into a 2 alarm fire?

[@Tindometari]

TheWaynelds Good question. There's not necessarily any connection Probably the domestic was called in, the police responded, and then the fire was called in, so the call was extended to include fire and EMS response - that's just the technical usage of "escalate". Even if there was, it might not be sinister, like arson. There's a fight, people aren't looking out for what they're doing, maybe a cosy lit candle gets knocked over into just the wrong place, or an open bottle of Smirnoff Silver gets knocked over onto a lit gas stove … People who are really angry get accident-prone, and sometimes the accident involves fire.

[@HooksHalligans]

Awesome footage here....as always.

[@shawnthomas5557]

And yes great job filming

[@garkar908]

Most likely electrical. Why? The attic ! So sad.

[@hayden199516]

Id like to point out the firewood sign at around 3:45 haha.

[@blinko656]

Good footage, very nice action shots…:)

[@jennychapman8774]

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[@Desoto875]

Whatta Cluster

[@jamesmorris7677]

it's a shame i use to go here and go past this on my work never thought something like this would happen its such a shame.

[@donbrinkman3874]

Not good with no hydrants.

[@dptcruiser]

once again since I moved home to PA, why can we not say where things are, instead of generalizing it as Forks township PA, or where ever, where the heck are we

[@shawnthomas5557]

My moms friends son is the one who was injured with 2nd and 3rd degree burns. so far he's ok.

[@stuartsullenbarger2471]

I guess no one in PA owns a chainsaw to open the roof....

[@hihfty]

It’s amazing to watch a simple attic fire just run unchecked. One engine company with a line and a pike pole could of ended this disaster On the exposure building. Place this building in a city/town with competency and training and this fire turns out different.

[@SpartacusColo]

The description states that there is no hydrant system in the area. Water supply was a problem, obviously. That and, no doubt, the issues with delayed response time from what are, most likely, volunteer departments, probably helped spiral the building into a total loss. You can see one of the aerials was put out of action, most likely due to the fact of insufficient water supply. I would guess they decided, not only to fight defensively, but use more of a containment strategy to let the building burn itself out and avoid running into a serious water deficit by aggressively trying to put it out, in case things got totally out of control with respect to exposures.

[@mothermarylspeaking8989]

​@@SpartacusColo and I am learning where there is a water supply issue there can also be water pressure issues, too. Add to that the contents inside the building play a huge roll in feeding the fire.

[@pauliewalnuts4990]

Why aren't they using the deck guns I see atop every rig? Hand lines are a joke on an advanced fire like this unless you are doing an interior attack.

[@Lagaffebis]

Deck gun, deck gun, what is this? You mean the shiny thing on the deck? Oh that's what it' for... No use of the deck gun, propane tanks not protected, sprinkler connections not used, no aerial, water tender shuttle with the river at a mere 200 ft away, no aerials, etc... Wha else did go wrong?

[@rogerneon]

Notice the black kitteh at 7:31.... I'm gettin' the HELL outta here!!

[@littleblitz8239]

I am stumped as to how a domestic disturbance turned into a structure fire? Please don't tell me one of the parties involved started this fire. Little Blitz 85 LZFD Retired Illinois

[@oneshoeshort]

Sadly yes. That's exactly how it started :/

[@jamesaddie4895]

to much fire and not enough water

[@christophernilescoughlin7049]

Sweet tanker great job

[@SirImperialist]

Did anyone notice the chief from Nazareth trip on that blue attack line at 7:17

[@TheStevo427563]

This place was a tinder box. My wife and I lived there when we first got married. I always said if there was a fire there it would burn quick. The food at the bar was great. The apartments were really old though.Some girl burnt it down after an argument with her boyfriend.

[@4133EWvianen]

+TheStevo427563 That is what girlfriends are for.

[@williamclark5339]

+TheStevo427563 Did she get arrested ? just think arson and attempted murder charge for each person people in the building at the time she set it off ....Not the kind of women you want to meet mom

[@oneshoeshort]

Not only did she get arrested and charged with arson and domestic violence, a man ended up dying from his injuries. She was charged with negligent homicide. I doubt she's gonna be hooking up with anyone else anytime soon.

[@Og-Judy]

@@williamclark5339 she was sent to prison for manslaughter and arson

[@jamesmorris7677]

newsworking good job man on the film its such a shame this happen

[@poppiarlin5612]

Someone had their plate and hands full

[@gugussugiarto7375]

relax, slow respon, slow action....

[@faerieSAALE]

So, I'm guessing that my dinner reservations have been canceled then?

[@heyshutupman8387]

i was listening to the entire thing on our radio...crazy stuff good shootin

[@Firstfruits288]

"Consider him who endured such opposition from sinful men, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart." - HEBREWS 12:3

[@patsematary]

with that tangle of coated or uncovered power lines they can hardly approach and work on the roof. Not even down there in Chiapas... are so “culturally” backward

[@dawgplanet9436]

SAVE THE BEER!!

[@Nash1a]

The reason for breaking this specific window... "It wasn't broken yet." Doesn't matter that it wasn't even the same floor as the fire.

[@bplayer47]

Wow

[@allcot6219]

The river is 200 feet away....if they can suck out of the pools you would think they could suck out of the river.Seems to logical,must be a reason.But then again common sense still evades people.

[@alexandermakrianis]

+allcot Not if they didn't have a good place pull a draft. You don't want sand, dirt, rocks, and all that other crap in a river getting into your pump.

[@oneshoeshort]

According to news articles, they did end up pulling water from the Delaware River.

[@glennhuber4975]

allcot yep, evaded you years ago

[@ryanrader4736]

Kinda reminds me of the blue fox fire...

[@dawgplanet9436]

Somebody's going to jail!! It's Arson!!they

[@poppiarlin5612]

Apparently these firefighters didn’t have a hydrant to use or maybe they did and the available water was inadequate. I see tankers shuttling water. Next what about the sprinkler system? Depending on fire conditions at arrival you very well could be wasting time and water. Now let me address the comment about ventilating the roof. You are an idiot if you ventilate a roof that already has a huge hole in it with fire ripping out of the hole. I guess you are attempting to draw the fire to the new opening. So with all that being said go ahead and second-guess because the way I see it these guys had their hands full.

[@heidiracloz4280]

12:53 - Let's all stand around the propane tanks, since that's the safest place to be.

[@PoppaBlue59]

Those tanks didn't pose any threat. In fact, they probably weren't even warm. Where do you fight fire, Heidi? Just curious. Cheers from Texas.

[@heidiracloz4280]

PoppaBlue59 It's still in the warm zone. Not the ideal spot to be sitting around. I don't know what was in the building (I also don't know if the fire crews do or not) or if the tank was even warm. It's called precautionary actions. It's easy to answer the call for moving people away from it than explaining a possible injury or death. I was always taught to stay away from them and priror officers have taught me to keep crews away. I'm from CT.

[@PoppaBlue59]

Heidi Racloz Fair enough. It just doesn't seem like a problem too me. Keep Safe.

[@poppiarlin5612]

@@heidiracloz4280 This was in the smoldering stage. At some point during a large fire like this you will have no choice but to be close to them. You stay away from them at certain times. If you are that scared of them I assume your department keeps a water stream on them during the entire event? Here’s something, if there isn’t any blistered paint on the tank that is a reliable indicator. Direct flame impingement is the hazard.

[@garthtrotto9644]

putting foam on strucuture fires is stupid waist of money

[@theshadow1559]

Just something to talk about and receive backslaps, kudos and attaboys for a job well done at the next firehouse fish fry or at the VFD Lady's next Bake Sale. All VFD's need at least one of these fires a year, its how they falsely justify spending taxpayer money on FD equipment that is essentially useless and a waste of money without a county installed water supply and professionally trained firefighters.

[@Jammin6796]

i guess theres a difference between spraying water on a fire, and trying to put out a fire.... :P

[@bezzlebedeviled4756]

It's all about smashing the windows for no reason.

[@glennhuber4975]

Bezzle Bedeviled you know not what you speak of.. so please shut up

[@richardnorris2505]

Put the wet stuff on the hot stuff.

[@13zhuk]

капец.... всю крышу просрали.... олухи....

[@marvinengman1939]

IS THERE ANYONE FIGHTING THIS FIRE?? I GUESS NOT, THIS IS HOW NOT TO PUT OUT A FIRE

[@brianmuller1643]

I have a question because I didn't see it. Was there any interior attack? Was there some interior hazard which made this an exterior only? Was it due to limited water supply? Seeing 1 3/4 lines on such a heavy fire load.....was that also due to limited water supply?

[@hindugoat2302]

nope

[@AndrewSmith-xd6mz]

The horns sounding at the beginning was an evacuation warning. My guess is they tried an interior attack initially. Fire behavior, fuel load, collapse and water supply would be contributing factors to pulling out and going to a defensive operation. Risk a little to save a little.