2x NVMe in RAID 0 - Double The Speed? - PCI-E 4.0 Tested

[@TechDeals]

Regarding today's RAID NVMe video, several people have asked... "Why don't you test hardware RAID, instead of using software RAID?" Many are probably under the assumption that BIOS RAID is "hardware RAID". It is not. This is - amzn.to/2NJEUGP That's not cheap :)

[@angrydragonslayer]

I got a 1080 ti for that price....

[@Equand]

Hardware RAID is worse than Software one in most cases. It worked great with hdd. It's a point of failure in case of SSD

[@fernandom5070]

Mr Deals , you forgot to tell us which software RAID you are using .... I will assume it is the one provided by AMD via the motherboard . I bet the poor performance on sequential reads of the RAID 0 configuration in down to the AMD software RAID . Test it on Intel RST PCIe 3.0 and you will see that it scales much , much better . AMD software RAID is known to be very poor and unreliable ... Just saying .

[@TechDeals]

@@fernandom5070 BIOS RAID is just another form of software RAID, and BIOS NVMe RAID options on consumer platforms is almost not a thing... this was done in Windows Disk Manager with striped volumes.

[@fernandom5070]

@@TechDeals Those poor results on RAID 0 sequential read are down to poor RAID implementation or NVMe driver not working properly with the new drives ( I suppose you used the Microsoft one ? - Which stripe size did you use ? ) . Performance should almost double in sequential read in any case .

[@tiltsy8800]

Has anyone told you, you are the Mr. Rogers of the PC community? You are the most humble person I follow on here. Thank You for your quality content!

[@TechDeals]

Thank you :)

[@shadowr2d2]

Yes you are so right. Welcome to Tech Deals. As he is explaining today's Awesome adventure. I can hear *(Mr. Roger's Music) in my head. You sir are an Honest man. You can't put a price tag on that. Don't ever change. Have an Amazing weekend. As you would say. *(Please use our links) below. They really do help out this Channel.

[@nickrosetti9224]

Great point man!!

[@SUPERMONJ]

agree

[@mikeytodd7]

Did you know that Mr Rogers was a navy seal??? Who knows, Mr Tech Deals may have 42 confirmed kills in the gulf war while always asking, to Raid or not to Raid?!

[@zramirez5471]

Dude I love your channel - I'm totally hooked to the "Linus et al" crowd showing what enthusiasts and hyper-privelage people can do, but your channel shows what real people can do, even when your examples are on high-end hardware, it's still topics that are applicable to all of us and you break down the detailed bits so it's easy to understand. Rock on, bro-ski.

[@luminousfractal420]

truth. i nearly puked when gn steve proclaimed he doesnt cook because hes no good at it..he pays someone to do that 🤮🤮 brats.

[@HyperOpticalSaint]

he does? like we just run benchmarks? where is windows boot test? where is game loading test? what a joke.

[@StefanEtienneTheVerrgeRep]

I always KNEW that these PCI 4.0 is overrated. The human eye can't even see more than 24 MB/second!!! We at the Verrge tested Raid 0 configuration, and the best results for the price was running 2 Potatoes in RAID 69. Remember to place both Potatoes in Dual Channel before attempting them in RAID.

[@OZgrow420]

You should make a “Hello and welcome” T-shirt.

[@dallors_teck]

I would buy that!

[@LumbridgeTeleport]

I will buy

[@kiester2046]

"For the 2 of you in the back sit down!!!" just about made me spill my coffee. Great video

[@AzraelIgnis]

Thank Jeebus I found this video. Im planning a build and was considering raiding two nvme drives. You tested and explained things nicely and saving me money. Earned my sub

[@1984crxjas]

I was actually about to do this. Thanks for stopping me.

[@TechDeals]

You're welcome :)

[@marin2213]

This apply for 3.0 pci lines too? Because I have raid 0 on mi pc with 2 nvme disks ..

[@just_morby]

Yea, same here. Considering with RAID-0 alone, you lose all your data if you lose one of your drives it basically doubles the chance of failure for nearly 0 performance increase in real life cases, and a slight increase in sequential (but that's very niche) I don't feel like risking.

[@StalewindFarto]

These are my favorite Deal-Vids. I love it when he takes a deep look at the ways we can utilize these drives

[@abombu235]

Thank you I was confused about the PCI express lanes, the The quantity of and performance you explained it very well.

[@GamersHaven]

Even though you weren't trying to you helped me realize my PCIe slot is 4.0 as is my first NVME drive. Then the other 4 broken into the chipset switched to 3.0 and gave me 16x lanes in total. *_nice_*

[@nickrosetti9224]

This is a little shocking but with native NVMe support in motherboards now a days I guess this makes sense. Seems overclocking and running RAID has become a thing of the past. Great vid Tech!!! You guys rock!!!

[@bellmeisterful]

Dude....Im sitting here now thinking about doing RAID and then I see your comment! Then I see its three years old!!?😳😧 lol guess I shouldn't bother

[@carlossiguenza331]

Great video. Just ran into your channel and I immediately liked that you don’t have these overly dramatic KZbin click bait stuff. That’s refreshing, let me tell you. Plus you’re giving a high level of technical detail with an easy to teach fashion. I’m subscribing

[@NQUSTN]

This was magically helpful as I couldn't get a straight answer from anyone including the manufacturers.

[@EusebioResende]

Bumped into this channel because I was looking for some raid NVME's solutions. I have to say that you put top quality content here. Thank you so much for taking this effort and sharing with the community. Cheers!

[@ForAnAngel]

I always feel smarter after watching your videos, even if I don't understand everything you're saying.

[@KamelJabber1]

Haha : thumbs up :

[@roguestormtv6722]

Try being the sounding board for 99% of the videos - :-) Thanks for the support!!!

[@luminousfractal420]

walk with giants

[@ccgb92]

Long time no see TECH DEALS! LOVE your videos man

[@jonathanmelton5756]

You answered all my in-depth questions and answered questions that I didn’t even know I had, thank you!!!

[@vanb5264]

I feel like if I don't re-watch this video every month, I'll go out and try to raid 0 nvme's all the computers because I'm so drawn to the idea of it.

[@VaibhavGadodia]

I loved the way in which you've made this topic simplified. Thanks for making this video.

[@nikousenpai]

I was going to RAID 0 two 1TB M.2 NVMe's untill I watched this, just saved me a few bucks, thanks for the video!

[@MrPhantom453]

Me too

[@YouWillTunnel]

@@MrPhantom453the only improvement RAID 0 has (on M.2 NVME SSD drives), is that the speed never hardly throttles (slows down) because the drives get less hot with less loads to work with. If you use one drive, then it gest hot more quicker.

[@Chris-ji8jw]

Hey, thanks for doing this video! I guess RAID0 is for making a larger drive, when combined. Thanks for saving me time🔥

[@attilathenun]

Sir, I just want to say I really appreciate this channel. I was looking up this exact issue and when your channel came up on my search, I immediately knew that I'm going to have some concise, technical and non-nonsense coverage that is going to help me make an informed decision.

[@1280-user]

"The two of you in the back can sit down" 😂😂😂

[@gerald4027]

Ok,Drill Sargent .Drop and give me 20.

[@dumpsterdiverspcreclamation]

Thank you for this. I've never seen it explained so succinctly. You do excellent work.

[@blackburd]

This was exactly the question that I had today. Thanks!

[@mnpenner]

Thanks! I think you talked me out of doing 2x1TB Nvme Raid 0. Will just get the 2TB 660p instead!

[@thomask1424]

Thanks for such a clear explanation for *not* doing RAID and simply using the chipset slot for a storage/games drive.

[@Masoudmpo]

Informative, evidence-based, concise and honest. I really enjoy your reviews and benchmarks

[@henryorsomething]

Hi. So I just wanted to say a quick thank you; because after gaining knowledge from watching your videos, today I was able to successfully finish building, and set up, my first gaming PC (and must I say, it looks bloody sexeh). Thank you so much for all the time and effort you put in to your videos as I could not have done this without them. Keep up the amazing work :)

[@yingcluk]

Great detail as always. Thank you for your work for the community.

[@MrWookiecck]

Fantastic Channel. When I get asked these type questions - I just send them a link to one of your videos xD. (The different Raid levels video would be nice - even though there are a lot on youtube, I believe your explanation would help otheres more)

[@Jameslawz]

It's funny because RAID 0 is not how RAIDs are supposed to be used but it just so happened that the byproduct of this setup helped perceptive performance on older machines. System responsiveness and snappy-ness could be felt on RAID 0 with 2 cheap HDDs as a boot device but that was like 8 years ago...things have moved on and NVMe's are becoming the new gold standard, essentially replacing SATA 3 which was originally designed for mechanical hard drives in mind though it's practicality was used elsewhere. RAIDs should be primarily used for redundancy as it was intended too, it's literally in the name (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disk). A NAS on RAID 5 is the perfect example for industry and world-wide use.

[@davidc5027]

Many thanks for doing this.... I wish I had watched your other video about the Aorus PCI Gen4 before I bought it! I'm a bit hard headed, so I really needed to see those stats on paper to convince me, and you have done just that, so thanks again for saving me money and the dumping the idea that Raid 0 solves all :). By the way, I'm a linux user, and the fstrim utility doesn't work with Aorus. I've tried to contact Gigabyte as well as Phison and received the standard answer "Linux isn't supported". I then contacted the maintainers of fstrim, and ran kernel diagnostics at their request, and apparently there are return codes from the Aorus NVMe that are non standard codes (The codes are currently set as "reserved" according to NVMe standards). Anyhow, I thought you might be interested in hearing that. Anyhow, thanks for driving these Raid0 points home as you are doing a great job!

[@xKevmachinex]

Great video, Now that Chia is taking off, you need to do a video on plot performance with different setups and drives, I think you would get alot of views on it and it would help the chia community :D Your knowledge of hard drives and the performance of them would also help the chia community pick better drives for plotting.

[@paulfairchild8942]

Your videos are always sooo informative. Tech Deals is the best tech channel on YT.

[@carlosnumbertwo]

So I was thinking about doing a raid setup with two Samsungs. Dude, I’ve just been taken to school. Respect!

[@bertob9835]

Concise, no BS, info. Thanks for making this video, it’s all a lot clearer to me now.

[@ProfessorVector]

Wow, Excellent video - Thank you. My idea on RAID is Data Safety not performance. I seen so many Dead SATA SSD after 2-3 years. Database and Video editing are the top two killers from what I heard from ISP. But My friends did neither who showed me their dead ssd's. Thanks for the great clarity even tho I have to watch the text overlay section again to fully get this. Keep up the good work. I'd love to see you write different SSDs 24x7x365 until Burn out!!! Small one easy on you budget.

[@FrankEGee88]

Holy crap. I learned so, so much watching this. Thanks so much!

[@4.0.4]

I learned quite a few things in this video, thanks. Hopefully Zen 3 / Ryzen 4000 comes with more PCIe lanes outside of Threadripper. Edit: 10:10 really happy that my 970 Evo 1TB is represented and surprised about its random speeds.

[@309steve]

This was a great video love these types of deep dives. I have a 970 evo myself and was wondering what to do when it comes to my next drive as i need more space. Thanks for this makes my decisions much easier 👍👍

[@jamesthomson8659]

Took your advice and bought a 660p 2 tb. Using it as data drive. Already had a 960 evo boot drive.. Really pleased with the performance. Installed it using a pcie to nvme adapter card on a B350 motherboard with only one M2 slot. Tried it on a pcie 3x16 slot and on a pcie 2x16 slot. Only the maximum sequential read/write speeds drop in diskmark. Going from about 1900 on pcie 3 to about 1500 on pcie 2. Have it installed in the Pcie 3 slot , but good to know that can install a second 660p in the pcie 2 slot with little impact on performance.

[@BraynerBR]

well....... you did answered all my questions about raid0, I couldn't be more happy and sad at the same time, happy because now I'll save $30 because I just need 1 1tb instead of 2 512gb, and maybe at night I'll dream with a perfect world where raid0 would increase the random read speeds :c really great video!

[@ripiosuelto]

👍👍👍 EXCELENTE amigo, la mejor explicación sobre el funcionamiento de dos SSD en RAID 0. Además, estos resultados coinciden con todas las demás pruebas que he visto.

[@andrescastro5027]

Greetings from Barcelona! Love your vids

[@r3tr0nic]

Much thanks mate. Short and sweet to the point, everything I needed to hear to confirm my thoughts after looking up specifications on this platform... And test data to back it up. So tired of painted blissful reviews that don't really tell you much, or product pages that do the same. I just don't have the money to buy multiple products to test for myself.

[@250hero]

Can you try amd driver based raid 0 and not via windows disk management? I had my X470 Crosshair VII Hero running two 1tb Adata SX8200 pro's in raid, because it had two direct to cpu x4 m.2s, not going through the chipset. I really did see double in all performance due to not going through the chipset. Also I used raid drivers and did raid config via bios. Now that I have a different motherboard I can't say it performs as well as it did with my CH7. However, if you can try it via the bios, I would like to know if it has any performance gains? Not that going through the bios allows it to have both nvme drives direct access to the cpu.

[@bardacuda82]

I second this.

[@operatora588]

Asus X570 boards have one M.2 slot using the CPU lanes and the other slot using chipset lanes. It's on the specs. They also advertises it supports NVMe RAID.

[@tangotyke6870]

@@operatora588 it would be much slower. The chipset pcie is a shared bus. The cpu pcie lanes aren't. This means both would work at the slowest connection speeds in a raid.

[@WhiteGeared]

@@tangotyke6870 Umm how then Mr. pepper said that he had two direct-to-cpu M.2 drives?! X470 has two CPU lane NVME port? What? X570 is worse than X470 then.

[@tangotyke6870]

@@WhiteGeared there is a hack on gigabyte where by you can disable a pci lane and instead use 2 nvme direct to cpu on x570 which is my setup. It's less of an issue now SLI is gimped but an issue if you'd rather have the pci active

[@robiecalong2]

Awesome video. Very informative. It helped me become more informed and educated when it comes to upgrading to a new AMD platform. Thank you so much, keep up the good work.

[@trystenhemmah]

Saved me a future headache. Thank you kindly.

[@ManiGovindRamachandran]

I asked for this video, still surprised you actually did it!

[@Raminotaur]

Honestly this is the best explanation of the intricacies of PCIe that I've ever seen. Thank you.

[@AlexRoseGames]

this video is incredible, it's instantly cemented my opinion on like 4 things and stopped me from considering a bunch of terrible ideas

[@KunalVaidya]

one of the best explanation of justification to use threadripper instead of ryzen based on needs, a professional who needs to perform all these configuration for getting the storage for work also has important work that justifies the extra lanes on threadripper. those are not just more cores but more of other useful features for productivity.

[@resid3nt]

As a fellow PC enthusiast, I salute goood sir! Subbed

[@marvinace5003]

This channel is underrated,seriously,you deserve more subscribers

[@WhiteGeared]

NO! He's a NAVY SEAL, he's here to destroy others!!!

[@ErgoProdigy]

This is the exact question I wanted to know! Thank you!

[@rlmillr]

Very accurate and well explained for your intended audience and to be fair you told the 2 guys in the back to sit down :) Just remove the statement "that is not what raid does" and I will sit down. That IS what raid does in addition to redundancy, just not for this audiences hardware/software and which cannot be removed from the equation. I am only commenting so someone won't propagate that blanket statement. I always enjoy your videos including this one. I was wondering how the pcie4 was going to perform through the chipset.

[@elementalfootprints8209]

Thank you for this! I just bought another 500 GB 970 evo plus for my other m.2 slot. Asus rog strix mobo. Considered using raid 0 with them, but after watching this you have changed my mind about it.

[@Standard.Candle]

Bro, this video was fucking fantastic. So educational, and you didn't once speak down to your audience. Perfectly balanced... as all things should be.

[@senzatiitari8989]

Thank you, I was thinking to buy for raid o, I returned one, keept only 500gb Samsung evo, now I wAnt a 1tb one. Thank you!! Really thank you.

[@emjay9280]

You could get another 500 and RAID0 it.

[@robertoaverilla7653]

For some reason i never get bored watching your videos. I suggest doing a sweet deals for pc parts and tech and how to videos like how to build, add components etc. I believe everybody will be pleased

[@AggressiveHiDef]

Great Video, you saved me the hassle in Raid 0 these M.2 drives. Thanks, So it's better to just buy a much faster M.2 single drive. Thanks Man, 👍

[@screenieman]

Great video as always. Please don't stop.

[@mpeugeot]

Nicely done. I finally tried to make a bootable ASUS Hyper M.2 ($58) with 4x 1TB Silicon Power P34A80 NVMe drives ($125 each) in RAID-0 on a $239 ASRock X399 Phantom Gaming 6 and a $199 Threadripper 1920x (12c/24t) clocked at 4.1 GHz all core running on PCIe 3.0. Just looking at sequential Q32T1, performance was 7+ GB/s read and write, however the PCIe 4.0 seems faster in Q8T8, Q32T1, and Q1T1 by a significant margin, so your setup is faster but 50% of the capacity. Still for the money, what a monster, boots so fast my underwear gets ripped off as is!

[@examancer]

RAID 1 with 2x 2TB 660P in a tiny ASRock A300 is working amazing for me. Affordable and redundancy gives me piece of mind. I can't understand why I would ever want RAID 0. If you are doing NVMe RAID, the best place for a boot drive isn't NVMe at all. Boot via SATA, and then your boot drive bandwidth is capped and contends less with other traffic.

[@rafaelborre2001]

Thanks for saving from committing the stupidity of configuring my two 970 EVOs in RAID. But I just realized about one mistake I did when I first assembled my PC. I installed my original SSD in the M2 slot right at the bottom of my MB (Asus Strix B450 F-Gaming) instead of the one closest to the CPU. My main concern is whether I would need to reinstall Windows if I just swap it to the suggested slot. The second concern was about GPU performance loss if I decided to still use the second 970 EVO I purchased in the second slot. Per your comments that shouldn't be the case. I did my homework and checked a video of the 5700XT benchmarked over different PCIe versions and difference is just of 1~2FPS max. My concern is whether having two 970 EVOs is suggested. I don't want to keep messing it up.

[@hackerman7682]

0:43 he's wearing the same shirt over an extended period of time: true gamer. Auto sub!

[@timpolster]

Thanks for your great video. The details are so important.

[@austin2994]

Quality content. Good explication of the pci lanes. Presentation is good. Op sounds like a person who had their braces tightened.

[@stevenwilliams6638]

Always love your approach to hardware configuration. You're always looking out for the consumer. "The two of you in the back can sit down " haha! That was great. Also look at that sub count! It's good to see this channel getting the recognition it deserves. Keep up the great work Mr. Deals

[@philm7758]

Whenever I am upgrading my hardware I think to myself "Self, why don't you RAID those M.2s?" And then I refer back to this video. Thank you for your ever-useful content!

[@djdavis1977]

"Great, Wonderful! The two of you in the back can sit down" Made my day :)

[@WhiteGeared]

Shut the fuck up! He was a fucking NAVY SEAL hiding in PC world now. That nature wants to peek occassionally.

[@dave5991]

I appreciate the work and research you have done on this new tech. Very educational and valuable information. Thank you.

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

I can only speak anecdotally, but for me RAID was a good thing back with mechanical hard drives because all too often using just a single one in a main pc for me meant that the thing never lasted even a year, let alone 3 or five. On the flip side, even a basic two drive RAID 0 had those drives lasting far longer for me, long enough to even get to where I could upgrade to something better later and be able to move them into separate use cases. As for SSD's, it was mainly for the fact that the next step up in capacity was often more expensive than two of a given size drive. That was certainly the mindset three years ago when I built my current main pc. Thankfully prices for solid state storage really has been progressing where it should hopefully not need to do that much now. But even so, it does feel like a proper "enthusiast" thing to do.

[@bellmeisterful]

This guys teaching stuff no one ever talks about. And we can understand. Sub

[@MrHytin]

Realy nice vid on the how the lanes work good job on the info tanx

[@jawnTem]

So in my setup, I have 4 NVMe drives (all 660p) with the first drive (a 1T) on the MB as my OS, and the second (on the MB-a 2T) along with the Expander card that also holds 2 X 2T NVMe. The last three are striped to give me a total of 5.6 terabytes named "Tech D" (Lol-Tech Data) drives. What you are saying is that it's going to cut my PCIe 1 (GC) down to 4 lanes? and slow the other drives down as well? Poor configuration? I apologize, I know that you can't anticipate all the questions that may come up so I will wait for any future vids. Really great that you have done this for all those that have these questions. Further, each system and board is different.

[@braveboy1010]

Awesome, informative video. Truly helpful, thank you.

[@Yamagatabr]

Now THIS is a throughout video! Thanks

[@laloajuria4678]

great vid. classic tech. great info. THIS IS WHAT WE WANT!

[@GonzoZener]

I wouldn't believe the software 4.0 4x slot identification at the time this video was made. I'd like to see this same test done again with an updated mother board BIOS and newer generation AMD cpus.

[@soholingo]

Damn good points, thanks for this!

[@SlimeXero]

Thanks, I was really on the fence with trying out some cpu lanes for Raid0. Had good results with sata drives in the past. Looks like I will be able to increase my speed by adding 1 drive to my pcie.

[@WickedStuntz]

Awesome content. Gained a sub just from this video. Explained every question I had in a very short period!

[@TechDeals]

Awesome, thank you!

[@Vydonis]

ty for doing this video, I asked about it earlier

[@deadpixel4106]

Great explanation! I learned something new today. Thank you

[@franciscofredviana743]

Fantastic review... I was wondering on the case of the new Chia mining that makes huge use of fast drives (NVMe preferred) I'm wondering if any of the Raid 0 benefits apply. Today also new motherboards have Raid on their chipset and I was wondering if you using HW raid from the chipset would do any good. I would love to see a new review with this in mind. Chia mining is growing (as mining overall).

[@QuadyMcQuadFace]

this explained alot. ty for the video and keep it up.

[@MrAndroid2013]

I love this video. Not being sarcastic. My favorite part is when you said "With that SHORT SWEET explanation out of the way..." 7 minutes in to a 14m video. Hahaha 6:58

[@cflynn3684]

X570 and ryzen 3000 are simply pure innovation. Too bad it cant use the 40 io lanes

[@Chris.Brisson]

We need 8 lanes between the CPU and chipset. There would still be 16 CPU lanes available.

[@haukikannel]

Yeah, but for that I supose we would need new socket so AM5... but who knows what AM5 at 2021 will give us. At least ddr5 most likely, maybe pci5, Hopefully more pci lines, but would make motherboard more complex and more expensive, so I really doupt that. But yeah, more pci lines between cpu and chipset could be usefull!

[@WhiteGeared]

@@Chris.Brisson What? 16 lanes only? So one GPU will leave no room for other hardwares directly to CPU. Sounds bad.

[@Galomortalbr]

those help if you have very little ram, you can use Raid 0 SSD as Swap memory, and it can help a lot under stress

[@pcfabris]

yes please. more raid explanations. All that info was like a diamond being shot through my forehead.

[@PaddyMcMe]

I hope Linus flies you to his LTT Expo thing he does each year. You're seriously amazing from the consumer standpoint, you really focus on being practical & informative to the buying audience, where as most other channels are more Tech enthusiast content which incidentally involves pricing but isn't like the detailed consumer advice that you provide. This video in particular is a brilliant one, I'm an armchair PC Tech enthusiast and it never even occurred to me to assess the differences between CPU & Mobo PCI-e Lanes in terms of Raid, NVME, etc, and if most people are being honest neither would they. Thank you for making these videos and maintaining your channel, it's great appreciated.

[@WhiteGeared]

He's a freaking Navy Seal hiding his war scurs. It's dangerous to be around such people!!! Noway I want him near linus.

[@Pavel-q1r8s]

Great video, thank you!

[@norman1907]

i had no idea how to type this into google, thank you for doing the juxtaposition. With new 8core 16thread APUs coming out, there will be the opportunity to utilize your x16 pcie slot for raid

[@larrygrill1410]

Great. Really helpful and clear. Thanks!

[@krollic]

This dude has the best explanations. Completely unrivaled.

[@cheesefries7436]

I kind of accumulate HDDs and SSDs... I had 3 120gig SSDs out of older machines that I set up in raid 0 so windows treats them like one drive, it solved the problem of trying to keep track of which drive games were on and how much space was left on them. A lot of games are over 120gigs now so having one big pool of storage was a lot more useful than 3x 120gig drives. Okay I'll take a seat now.

[@MrPhantom453]

Excellent video. Thank you.