3 Efficient KONE M-Series Lifts with TMS600 controller in Zürich, Switzerland

[@FilipKepa-eb9hi]

The KONE M Rectangular buttons are Insane. The ENTRIE Lifts looks Timeless.

[@TheLiftDragon]

Absolutely! Love the design, still looks very modern to me. A lot more appealing than many newer designs imo.

[@Biasca1]

Einrücklicher Maschinenraum und Steuerung! Gutes Video

[@TheLiftDragon]

Danke!

[@Waberner]

Oh wow... Ich habe vor paar Jahren in der Nähe gearbeitet und musste jeden Tag dort dran vorbei latschen... Zum Glück sind die noch original bis heute!

[@TheLiftDragon]

Bin auch sehr froh, dassdie Anlagen bis jetzt erhalten geblieben sind. Sie sind in einem echt guten Zustand und laufen super.

[@ElevatorExploration]

A very rare installation of the very last KONE units still equipped with Sicor motors and these old TMS600 controls are really great to see working.

[@TheLiftDragon]

Yes, absolutely. It's super hard to find something pre-EcoDisc in Switzerland. And these here are great examples.

[@sathyaak]

@@TheLiftDragonHey nice video ❤❤❤❤ Any chance u can go to india and post about Johnson lifts? Its very easy to find cuz like..its everywhere!!!

[@romanstreule5897]

Schöne Aufzüge😊

[@TheLiftDragon]

Dankesehr!

[@Swissvator]

Der Chime von den Aufzügen gefällt mir!

[@TheLiftDragon]

Ich mag die chimes auch sehr.

[@Boccia74]

TMS600 che spettacolo 🔝

[@Hobbyprofi]

Beauties

[@TheLiftDragon]

Absolut! ^^

[@Lifts_in_Austria]

Sehr schöne hocheffiziente Kone M-Series👍

[@TheLiftDragon]

Dankesehr!

[@wnd-43]

I recall those similar TMS lifts somewhere in Warsaw, they've had an maximum speed of 2m/s, they've had similar motors and they also were installed in 1996, but they've had different buttons (those standard black with green light after pressing). They've been replaced by Schindler.

[@TheLiftDragon]

That sounds nice, sad though that they're gone. I know the buttons you described, for some reason they're both called M-series by Kone but they're two different versions. Shape is a rounded square.

[@Avidiy]

Great to see some non-EcoDisc KONE motors! These are great! It's very hard to find some non-EcoDisc KONE And the leveling is so fast and precise, some good intelligent leveling going on there!

[@TheLiftDragon]

Indeed, Kone is trying to phase out all that is pre-ecodisc and that's pretty sad. Luckily there are still some installs remaining and this group is one of them. This here functions in a similar way to Schindler Miconic B, with a fixed braking distance. Simple but works really well.

[@Avidiy]

@@TheLiftDragon oh the classic miconic! It is sad, indeed! I didn't know how they do that but I fixed stopping distance would work THIS well I didn't know, but it is great to see

[@TheLiftDragon]

@@Avidiy There is no "Classic Miconic". This is a made up word by a certain UK individual who doesn't know s... about how Schindler things actually work. The proper names are Miconic E, Miconic B and Miconic V for the first generation, so to speak. I should actually make a fully detailed video on this topic at some point, explaining how they work, what their history is and what possible drive systems they can be combined with.

[@Avidiy]

@@TheLiftDragon I would love to see it! Thanks for correcting me and helping me out of this misconception

[@BenDeSwert666]

Ahh, good old TMS. Such a shame it's discontinued, so if any of the boards fail they're doomed to be modernised. Beautiful elevators.

[@TheLiftDragon]

Indeed, TMS was really nice. I like the LED panel for diagnosis and calls, it's really straight forward. I really hope these will stay like that for some time.

[@cyan-ecvacnium]

nah why do the buttons look like schindler m series 0:34

[@TheLiftDragon]

Kone M-series looks similar to Schindler M-series but they're not the same buttons of course.

[@sathyaak]

Hey lift dragon ❤❤❤❤your videos are the best of all!!!Perhaps you can travel to india and post about johnson lifts…and trust me it will be easy to find cuz its everywhere

[@TheLiftDragon]

Thank you! Sadly I can't just travel 6000km to only film some lifts.

[@AyKLabs]

Koze

[@TheLiftDragon]

Cone

[@mushroomcraft]

Ah it doesn't use AC and DC. I saw a 1989 TMS 200 which used AC at full speed, and DC for inspection and levelling. I don't know if that's just because it's a lower tier model, and VF drives were expensive, or if they switched to using VF drives in the 90s.

[@TheLiftDragon]

The TMS600 afaik came with 3 possible drive systems: The standard VFD you see here, the SCD, which is a solid state DC drive for high speed gearless machines and in the early days a phase-fired controller similar to what you have seen on the TMS200. From what I know, the TMS200 was discontinued in favour of the 600 before the switch from PFCs to VFDs happened but I could be wrong. A classic phase-fired controller however works differently from what you have seen on the TMS200. The normal working principle can only be used for pole-changing motors with 2 speeds. The mains are fed into the fast windings through the thyristors, which chop off the start of the sine wave depending on the firing angle (0° - 180°, with 0° being nothing and 180° being the full sine wave). Then there is another set of thyristors that only generates DC, which is fed into two of the three terminals of the slow winding. This is used for DC braking. To properly control the lift, a mix of both is used. DC only will not move the lift and AC only is not able to slow down the motor from nominal rpm. There even are systems like the Dynatron MV drive for Miconic V, which in addition to the thyristors for AC uses a separate eddy current brake on the motor instead of DC injection. Also motors for Dyn MV are not pole changers, as the separate brake mitigates the need for the slow speed winding. Now to your TMS200 drive. According to the motor data plate, the motor only has one set of windings, which is very weird for a thyristor drive. It almost behaves like a single speed lift. I must admit that this is some strange system I have never seen before and I also haven't seen pfc implemented like this by any other manufacturer. All other phase-fired drives I know of (Schindler Dynatron S, RST ARC, Ascentronic, ZAdyn 1df, Loher Dynalift...) work in the way I described above. I mean the approach of Kone is not too bad because it only needs one winding instead of two, which saves costs. It works similar to the way that Dynatron 2 stops the lift, by just disconnecting AC power and then braking the lift to a stop by other means. In case of Dyn 2 that would be the eddy current brake, which also runs on DC, but that is a dedicated portion of the motor, needs much less current and the braking process is silent.

[@mushroomcraft]

@@TheLiftDragon Very interesting, never thought they would use eddy currents to slow down a lift. I love learning about how old lifts work, with new lifts, it's all the same. -_- Didn't realize the TMS I saw was a rarer model, I thought it would be really common, as clearly it's a cheap model.

[@tukangmesin41]

apakah ada Ai controler...

[@TheLiftDragon]

No, there is no AI controller.

[@tukangmesin41]

@@TheLiftDragon terimakasih

[@LachieVidsTransportVlogs]

Very similar to the lifts at the apartment building I’m staying at now. Just except for MR21 and TMS600 this has MR26L and TMS50e. Motor room sounds identical though since they both have V3F20. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqPCpHSkhriLa7Msi=dadVQEj_TBNCrdV3

[@TheLiftDragon]

Wow, these are also really nice lifts! They have the classy Kone Novel elements fixtures which are mostly used with TMS 50e.

[@Aufzug25]

ich bin heute im aufzug steckengeblieben

[@TheLiftDragon]

Das ist blöd.