3 Key Things Every Skater Should Know About Hips - How To Skate Better Any Skill Level Or Discipline

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Joey Mantia

Joey Mantia

Күн бұрын

0:00 Intro
1:19 Keep The Hips Square
5:25 Keep The Hips Parallel To The Surface
7:25 Use The Hips As Reference Points For The Set Down
Hips are the foundation upon which all skating technique is built, whether you are a speed skater, a hockey player, a figure skater, freestyler, a fitness guru, or an aggressive skater, you still need to be able to skate fundamentally well to be able to master your discipline. It also doesn't matter if you skate on ice, wheels, inlines, or quads, these tips should help turn you into a better skater in terms of basic skating ability.
3 Key Things Every Skater Should Know About Hips - How To Skate Better Any Skill Level Or Discipline is an episode of Skate Tips, my series dedicated to teaching you how skate better.
Let me know what you thought and if these things actually made a difference for you.
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@maszexkalex6347
@maszexkalex6347 3 жыл бұрын
@JoeyMantia I disagree - our hips are built in such a way that the most effective work is when the legs and their muscles work perpendicular to the hips. If our leg is angled at a certain angle during a turn, e.g. 45 degrees, then the hips should be at the same angle to generate the greatest possible explosive force - perpendicular to the strongest point of the midline of the femur. Same as the upper part of our body. The most efficient muscle work is related most to our vertical posture, which doesn't like breaking force vectors in half , of their length. A side jump will never be as effective as an up jump, unless you "lower" your hips to the side. The narrow contact point and the oval profile of the wheels make it even more efficient.
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
Respectfully-- I would agree with you IF you were talking about doing something like a leg press or a jump where the only focus is delivering force through a simple vector... But I don't agree with you in regards to skating, which is a complex lateral movement in which you are dealing with a skate that is moving about your center of mass, while simultaneously moving your center mass about that moving skate in a way that creates forward momentum, all while dealing with gravity, centripetal force (maybe more relevant to reference the fake centrifugal force), and friction. It's not exactly a simple motor skill you can define by referencing a single section from your physics or anatomy book. On top of that, you must consider the entire stroke pattern- If you make one piece of it really strong by adjusting your hips in a way you are referring to, you must undeniably give up either time, effectiveness, or both in regards to the remaining motions that make up a full stroke (both legs finishing a full cycle) and that isn't going to be efficient in the grand scheme of things when the goal is to broaden the power curve and ultimately deliver the maximum amount of force OVER TIME vs energy expended. So, for a one rep max effort side push on skates without any regard for what comes next, yes you may be right, and if you want to keep your hips perpendicular to your lean angle because you think that will work and give you the maximum amount of forward momentum vs energy expended, go for it. I just know from experience that skating doesn't work like that and wouldn't teach it that way.
@maszexkalex6347
@maszexkalex6347 3 жыл бұрын
@@JoeyMantiaOfficial T.hanks for the respond. I, too, did not want to be disrespectful in my previous answer. (I hope you didn't took it that way). My opinion was more about turning and cornering than skating straight. After your answer, I spent some time analyzing your videos and other speed skaters (and not only speed), and I think that for straight skating and long radius curves this parallel to the surface hip positioning is achievable - although it looks like it, that in very aggressive and fast cornering, especially during track races, practically every speed skater is bending their hips laterally. My opinion relate also more to tight, fast and intense turns - for example in urban skating (sorry I didn't tick this in previous answer). This kind of turn is short, fast - it requires, a few most effective movements and then such intensity and explosiveness of the movement is most effective when the hips are positioned as perpendicular to the leg line or the leg that is pushing out in case of crossover. And of course I'm a big fan and I love your work! #EveryDayIsLegDay
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
@@maszexkalex6347 that makes a lot more sense now. My concern when teaching is to make the general skating better and more effective without consideration for your discipline's nuances in terms of doing tricks, avoiding obstacles, or whatever else you need to do to execute the requirements for your sport. Maybe I should have been a little more clear that this guide only pertains to general skating and that there may come a time when you need to break the fundamentals to achieve whatever you're trying to do when you're not just simply skating from point A to point B. The ultimate takeaway in that section of my video is that you shouldn't be analyzing video of people and thinking that they're consciously trying to tilt the hips in the turn, but instead realizing that the lack of keeping the hips perfectly parallel to the surface is a result of flexibility and not something skaters are actually trying to achieve
@E4zyp34zyl3m0nsq33ZY
@E4zyp34zyl3m0nsq33ZY 3 жыл бұрын
@@JoeyMantiaOfficial So whats the actual verdict here lol doesn't feel like we got to the bottom of this ... is it that you can't skate with a correct stroke if you lean your whole body to 45 degrees, because pushing straight down along the midline doesn't work in the turns? What would likely happen if you did? I'm pretty sure I get why its better to be perpendicular to the floor in the straights and why even a slight rocking probably wouldn't be good, but the turns thing has always bothered me.
@peterjan2471
@peterjan2471 3 жыл бұрын
@@JoeyMantiaOfficial Does that apply to shorttrack skating as well? I'm a longtrack trainer, and have always taught it the way you explain here. However recently I was watching a video from a shorttrack coach explaining the importance of having the hips in the same angle as your legs. And it actually made sense to me that you would be able to deliver more power that way. When I look at pictures from shorttrack skaters I do indeed see that they have their hips in an angle. Now obviously their angles from the legs with the ice are so small that is would be impossible to keep their hips straight. But I'm wondering if this video I saw is just one coach telling a different story, or if shorttrack skaters really do it differently. And if so, is there anything we can learn from that when it comes to long track :) Btw, thanks for your videos! very informative!
@freshasadaisy4782
@freshasadaisy4782 3 жыл бұрын
Rolling pin was a very good choice, made the explaination very clear.
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
glad you could understand it easily
@santanukundu1817
@santanukundu1817 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Joey, My 9 years son is very much fond of you. I just make him awake up by calling him 'Mantia get up, we must go for training and he gets up. Love from India..
@jashanpreetsingh6115
@jashanpreetsingh6115 3 жыл бұрын
I am also from India and I am 12 years old . I this his channel should be in 1 millions my wishes
@jorritwoudsma7530
@jorritwoudsma7530 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a video about the arms. Where are they supposed to go, and why?
@dineshnagda3172
@dineshnagda3172 3 жыл бұрын
Sir can you make vedio on daily routine of speed skating
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
ill put it on the list
@davidd.7036
@davidd.7036 3 жыл бұрын
Your rolling tip has enlighten a lot of things that I misunderstood. Thank you so much. And keep the good because your explanations are always very clear.
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
Great to hear!
@Inlinespeedskater
@Inlinespeedskater 3 жыл бұрын
Another informative video. Keep them coming!
@markbraverman8267
@markbraverman8267 3 жыл бұрын
Joey, another great video. Your explanations are great. Thanks!
@silvioortiz
@silvioortiz Жыл бұрын
Thank you...!!!!!!
@zacharycawthorne-nugent4988
@zacharycawthorne-nugent4988 3 жыл бұрын
I'm going to try to apply this on my quad skates. Thanks 😊
@vinaykurella4133
@vinaykurella4133 2 жыл бұрын
It was really nice of u to have shared us important inputs.
@jefterReis
@jefterReis 2 жыл бұрын
Great content man
@scider2
@scider2 3 жыл бұрын
Thanx for a very good video! Would love to see you do a video with focus on ice skating and explaining the difference in technique!
@hansgijsen4838
@hansgijsen4838 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Joey, I like your info about speed skating. For Myself I also do so in book format. " The rocker and the bend, a competition skate".
@995kamyk
@995kamyk 3 жыл бұрын
Great tips and great video😁
@ymanbaba8979
@ymanbaba8979 3 жыл бұрын
Greetings From Colombia. I'm just returning to the first passion I remember having, speed skating... so this video helped me tremendously, thank you !
@RichHayterSkater
@RichHayterSkater 3 жыл бұрын
It's amazing what happens when you sudden set your focus on single part of your movement. Thanks for sharing! Got any plans for a sprint start video?
@hound83
@hound83 3 жыл бұрын
Really helpful video! You are explaining things in a very understandable fashion without making me feel like a dumb idiot (even though i am one in regards to skating technique). Yesterday i tried some of these tips and indeed it helps me already! Keep making more of these videos! Thanks!
@goneflying140
@goneflying140 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the easy to understand demonstration Joey. As I was watching this video, I was thinking about skating, and I believe I am already doing this subconsciously. Now I will be more mindful of it during a practice to see if I really am doing this. I am a skier too, and this reminds me of the explanation a ski instructor gave me for turning.. he told me not to lean into the turn.. just keep your hips level, and bend your knees laterally into the turn to get your skis on edge, and then push your boot into the skis to put pressure on them and make them turn.. My skiing improved drastically with just that tip. Kind of the same thing here. By the way, our speed team is a huge fan of your skating!!!! Our coach drops your name all of the time when he is teaching us things!!
@premiumrolling
@premiumrolling 3 жыл бұрын
Great advice!
@jeffreydraeger2393
@jeffreydraeger2393 9 ай бұрын
Joey Jeff draeger here. Used to skate with you at Pattisons west in fed wa. Your Killin it. Still follow you guys an Jeremy Stolz crazy to see him grow an compete with you
@emmanuel7899
@emmanuel7899 3 жыл бұрын
Yes 👍🏻 l like it thank you 🙏
@czakoof
@czakoof 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tips👌. It's hard to unseen the pin now. I was skating and had this pin in my head most of the time 😆🤣.
@SnapShot83
@SnapShot83 3 жыл бұрын
Great explanation, look forward to trying this on the ice! Definitely need to be more mindful of how my hips are aligned.
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@breeroller9923
@breeroller9923 3 жыл бұрын
I've skated for 30 years and still watch other skaters to learn regardless of age...basically never stop learning but pass down what you know.. Don't let OUR art die out.
@will4341
@will4341 3 жыл бұрын
Love the vids keep up the great content 👍👍👍👍👍👍🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Will do!
@mrdb3310
@mrdb3310 3 жыл бұрын
I’m still working on maintaining consistent balance on the center of my skates from your video a few weeks ago - which has made a ton of difference. I’ve never thought about what my hips were doing other than trying to lead with them so I can’t wait to work on this. Once again, a huge thank you for doing these and sharing your knowledge. Extremely helpful!
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
Good stuff!
@RobearBouillon
@RobearBouillon 3 жыл бұрын
@JoeyMantia Would you mind making a video about skating position? You've mentioned a few tips already, but I struggle to stay in skating position. I wonder if it's how I'm positioning myself, how I'm skating, or whether I need to focus on weight training or endurance training specific muscles. It's not even muscle fatigue so much as simply being winded. Coming from short-track, my skating position tends to be pretty low, and I notice that long-track and inline is less so. Also, when starting short-track, I tried to get into position by leaning forward, making me quad-dominant. I suspect long-track is the same, where you instead want to "sit in your glutes," but I find this hard to achieve unless I'm super-low. The more I lean forward, the more I'm in my quads, and the more I sit back, the lower I get and the faster I fatigue. I can't seem to find my zen.
@gekobcint4973
@gekobcint4973 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative I just wish if my English was that good do fully understand however, very great video 🔥🔥🔥
@SuperTigun
@SuperTigun 3 жыл бұрын
Good video. I suspected something similar, but you have explained it very clear. But this is the theory nos we have to putin it in practice😃
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
glad you found it easy to understand
@kevinnorris1691
@kevinnorris1691 3 жыл бұрын
@joeymantia I dig the videos! A lot of great info! I’d like to see more comparison video of incorrect vs correct technique. I know this takes a lot more effort cause someone has to shoot but it helps to see it done incorrectly and corrected on pavement or ice. Thanks
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
noted, will work on something cool for the next tutorial
@draykkon77
@draykkon77 3 жыл бұрын
could you make a video for technique for indoor skating 100meter track? position, crossover technique and everything involved with skating and exercises that help with indoor.
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
it's on the list, but I need to find an indoor rink to film it
@amiraynor5596
@amiraynor5596 3 жыл бұрын
@@JoeyMantiaOfficial , if you ever get to do this video, please show the drill you had us do that had a cone at the end of each corner showing us where to aim our hips so we weren't trying to turn them in as we cornered.
@cbrcityrollers
@cbrcityrollers 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome knowledge
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
thank you
@RuSSSat
@RuSSSat 3 жыл бұрын
Also you have to gain weight to adjust that muscle balance around hips, and above it. Thank you for explanation Anything about riding up slope? Or against the wind?)
@radhepraveen77
@radhepraveen77 3 жыл бұрын
Great Tips bro... Many good skaters still does this mistake... Noted to work on it... Thanks bro...
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
Happy to help!
@samvedd5562
@samvedd5562 3 жыл бұрын
can you make some more race analysing videous and race strategies for long distance events
@AConnorDN38416
@AConnorDN38416 2 жыл бұрын
4:45 this is an issue of mine that I just noticed after seeing a picture someone took of me skating at the track. I have a habit of rotating my hips as I'm pushing through with the left skate on the cross over and I could see that my body gets all twisted up going around the turns.
@billmask
@billmask 3 жыл бұрын
Could you do a detailed video on how to use the the body position in turns and breaks? I mean, I am always straight and I really have no idea how to bank the body to left/right in a turn and I almost fall every time I try a more intense turn.
@NovanP
@NovanP 3 жыл бұрын
Great vid! You talk about lack of flexibility to keep hips square in the turn. How would you train this flex?
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
the hips are square in my video, but they're not perfectly LEVEL- to achieve this you need to gain flexibility in the IT band, hamstring, quad, and hips. You can look into stretches for those on youtube until I am able to make a video with all those stretches.
@grantsk8
@grantsk8 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. I am a very good quad skater but I got some bont Lunas with 2pf 6061 13.2 4 x 110 frames and some high roller wheels and only ha stem for ablut 4 months and your videos are supper helpful. Keep up the good work 👍
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help!
@grantsk8
@grantsk8 3 жыл бұрын
Love your skating what is your professional skate set up
@grantsk8
@grantsk8 3 жыл бұрын
And did you ever skate quads
@benjiblading2548
@benjiblading2548 3 жыл бұрын
good stuff 👍
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@Koibboy
@Koibboy 3 жыл бұрын
Nice explanation with rolling pin! BTW another good usage of it is to massage U'r quads with it :D
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
True!
@GC-Roller
@GC-Roller 3 жыл бұрын
Great video!, sure it will be Great video!, sure it will be very helpful
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you think so!
@pratibhachaware7472
@pratibhachaware7472 3 жыл бұрын
Sir I'm a professional inline skater thanks for your info it was so useful btw love from india. ❤️❤️
@smichelotti
@smichelotti 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video; this topic is crucial, what do you say about hip distance to floor; is that always the same during the straight direction technique or goes slightly up and down?
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
in a perfect world you keep the the same distance from the ground always, but often times with inline you will have a little up and down movement... that being said, it's not something you should be TRYING to do
@smichelotti
@smichelotti 3 жыл бұрын
@@JoeyMantiaOfficial Awesome! thank you Sir!
@manuelmontesdeoca2787
@manuelmontesdeoca2787 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Great information. I would like to know how you heat mold/adjust your fit on your in-line skates. I feel like I am battling my skate to get a good fit. Heat molding with little affect.
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
if the boot is generally too big for you, or the carbon is not strong enough (you can easily squeeze the ankles together with a pinching motion), heat molding is going to have very little effect on your feel. It's best to spend the money on a good, stiff, custom racing boot so you can control your skates better- or look into a higher cut, stiffer stock boot. I wish I had a better answer, but I feel like it's better to be up front with those kinds of things than sugar coat
@manuelmontesdeoca2787
@manuelmontesdeoca2787 3 жыл бұрын
@@JoeyMantiaOfficial yeah might need to try some more options. Currently using the Bont jet boot.
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
@@manuelmontesdeoca2787 have you watched my tutorial on skate setup? might be a good place to start before spending money on a new boot - kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKrXe3Wajp11r6s
@AdamKruvand
@AdamKruvand 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tips. Do you lead your stroke with the hip or your foot?
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
Think of them together as one unit
@mcdyas
@mcdyas 3 жыл бұрын
I watched this vid again and then went out and applied it during a long skate. It gave good results. I have to say that I got a few funny looks skating down the trail holding a rolling pin in front of me, but so what.
@alexisstaib6824
@alexisstaib6824 2 жыл бұрын
Hi My name is Alexis Staib and I am a distant cousin. Your grandfather jimmy and my great grandfather Nickolaus/Nick were brothers. Good Luck in the Olympics you have amazing talent.
@danflanagan9536
@danflanagan9536 3 жыл бұрын
What should the shoulders be doing then? Do we also want to keep them them parallel with our hips and the surface of the road?
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
ideally yes, but the shoulders have a little room for error since they are not responsible for keeping the connection between the body weight and the skates. I'll cover the shoulders in a future video.
@saint3k.
@saint3k. 3 жыл бұрын
I always turn my upper body when i go into the corner do you have any other tips?
@pranav7444
@pranav7444 3 жыл бұрын
Could you please explain how should we take perfect turns and using the bank
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
I'll make a video about turns in the future
@videoelnino10
@videoelnino10 3 жыл бұрын
:) Hey Mr Mantia Hope we will race somewhere and you will see old school all best man! :)
@kaushik9434
@kaushik9434 3 жыл бұрын
sir can you please do a video on transferring speed from straightaway into the corner without losing grip , balance or momentum......maybe like a compilation of corner technique
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
i'll put it on the list
@kaushik9434
@kaushik9434 3 жыл бұрын
@@JoeyMantiaOfficial appreciate all the videos....all the best for the future
@jashanpreetsingh6115
@jashanpreetsingh6115 3 жыл бұрын
I am from India and my parents are saying the is no scope in skating now please tell me that is the a good scope in skating. And a a little bit fat but I want to do skating please can you make video on (HOW TO BE FIT BY DOING SKATING TIPS ) please sir I am waiting for your reply. AND I WISH THE YOUR CHANNEL SHOULD BE IN MILLIONS GOD BLESS YOU❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@yoshikitsai3354
@yoshikitsai3354 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your video,it always let me learn so much. Inlineskate is not so popular in my country,that I only learn knowledge on KZbin. If I want to increase my speed from 22km/hr to 30km/km ,how should I do ? I use marathon boot with high cuff and 125*3 wheels ,and I always train myself three times a week. Distance usually 21km 42km or 60km .should I change my boot to race shoes? What can I do do increasing my speed? Training more harder?
@Surupkolik
@Surupkolik 3 жыл бұрын
You should change your training program in my opinion. You should add interval programs in to your week. They simply increase your avg speed for higher distances. There are some programs on net.
@CRM08
@CRM08 3 жыл бұрын
Interval training is key to getting faster. Try 30/30sec, 40/20sec, 4/2min & 8/4min intervals.
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
the replies are correct- shorter efforts with higher intensity will teach your body how to get to that next gear. You need to spend time being uncomfortable at higher speeds so that you can adapt
@Surupkolik
@Surupkolik 3 жыл бұрын
@@JoeyMantiaOfficial hey joey, thank you for reply. Can I add you on strava or Instagram?
@yoshikitsai3354
@yoshikitsai3354 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much,I will keep train.
@skatography6276
@skatography6276 3 жыл бұрын
What a great video! Just want to know something else related; leg extension (longtrack). I.o.w. always keep them in the same angle and let the hips do the work or extend them while leaning? Btw are you reachable via mail?
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
It would be impossible to prevent bouncing up and down with your hips if you never extended your legs, so to give an annoying answer you want to do both things that you're talkin about, using the hips and lean to create action, but also extending the leg to maintain a connection between your body weight and your foot thus keeping the hips the same height of the ice as you skate
@skatography6276
@skatography6276 3 жыл бұрын
@@JoeyMantiaOfficial just got off the ice. You made me shave off 2 full seconds from my pr!
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
@@skatography6276 awesome
@Flyzguy
@Flyzguy 10 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for taking the time to put this info out there. I love the use of props to help communicate the ideas. It would be amazing in the future if we coudl ever see some of these concepts applied to an athlete with before/after videos and drills to help correct, along with any lap times or HR reduction to show the improvements. I realize thats a huge ask but hey - no harm in asking :)
@avniarya3207
@avniarya3207 2 жыл бұрын
Well we can use paddle turn
@Catmomma
@Catmomma 3 жыл бұрын
Do you think you could take and do 3 tips for people who were born with uneven hips who want to rollerblade better
@txjsports5937
@txjsports5937 3 жыл бұрын
It is best to wear protective gear for greenhand
@stanjones129
@stanjones129 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Joey, I was actually skating with my hips parallel to the ground but then saw your d.p. video and thought I was breaking at the hips doing that. For most skaters it looks like the hip follows the set-down leg a bit - if you force it flat, isn't that breaking at the hip ? I am torn between the kind of hip action I see short-track skaters doing with hips horizontal (almost a shuffle) and long trackers and inliners where the whole body seems to sway... it is confusing :). Any insight ?
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
Admittedly in that DP tutorial it's a little confusing in the doorway segment, I should have explained the desired end result of core engagement a little better. Think of your body like a flowing parallelogram as you skate where the shoulders and hips are shifting left and right, but still staying square and level, in this way you can maintain a good lean all the way through your skate without breaking at the hips. In short track, because the angles of lean are so aggressive, it's nearly impossible stay completely flat when going a decent speed, but you want to engage your core in a way that is promoting them to be as flat to the surface as they can be, this helps you keep your center of mass connected to your skates by being "in the hip" as opposed to being "up" or "out of the hip" sorry for the confusion that original video caused
@stanjones129
@stanjones129 3 жыл бұрын
@@JoeyMantiaOfficial No worries. Thanks for the clarification, that makes sense now- I was trying to be a rectangle I think. Love the videos :)
@stanjones129
@stanjones129 3 жыл бұрын
I wasn't clear either, in that I meant straightaway technique :). The short trackers do a move like the straightaway weight transfer exercise (shoulders and hips parallel to the ground moving over the feet) and long trackers have a distinct swaying (more weight transfer ?).
@briseboy
@briseboy 3 жыл бұрын
THe graphic demonstration of Joey's efforts can be seen in the smooth balletically powerful rounding of a speed skater slingshotting around the turn arc and redirecting onto the straight. As a surfer, ballet dancer, and user of the great god centrifugal force, skiing, snowboarding, and things demanding precise direction to do better than Wile E. in cliff eschewal, and avoidance of vconsequent novel osteodivorce proceedings, nous avons raison et devons découvrir les forces que nous ressentons et réorientons, Joey being way up there on our list of venturers to the edges of motion. Viewing kinetics at speed will help you understand your necessary evasion of the chaotic rolling pins of fate. Understanding and internalizing Joey's directional predator warning calls are worth your interpretive efforts. Gravity is more forgiving to the surviving agile who can forcefully evade her clutches, lion that she is.. I see below that hubristic theorists beg to differ from real animal kingdom facts. Do not lend them your priceless if-abused bones, brains, or joints. Let them smoke their own in solitude, believing that things revolve about themselves. Agility is your friend, and Copernicus was correct, not solipsists omitting real, consequential, and fun vectors.
@VIKTOR-di4cs
@VIKTOR-di4cs 2 жыл бұрын
These tips works for Urban skating?
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 2 жыл бұрын
You can bend and break these rules a lot more for free skating, as these are to maximize efficiency so you can go faster longer, and with free skating there's a lot of obstacles, so the terrain dictates your style and needs much more
@stanjones129
@stanjones129 3 жыл бұрын
Question- doesn't the swaying (including the hips) in long track improve the weight transfer and the ability to get an outside edge ? It seems to me that having the hips tilted a bit on set down in long track (straightaways) also allows a more direct push from the quads on the pushing leg, and gives more "bite" on the skate (no bite when the skate is vertical) ? It really seems that long track skaters do not have the hips parallel to the ice, but you would know that much better than me :). I have been very puzzled by that for a while.....
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
the sway IS essentially the weight transfer- which allows for a push without engaging JUST the big muscles, making skating quite a bit easier, but it should be done without tilting or twisting the hips. I've never heard anyone teach to tilt the hips into the pushes on inline or ice, so I'd have to say if it looks like ice skaters are doing that, I hope they're not doing it on purpose. Tilting the hips to push is basically just a cheat to get a momentary feeling of comfort, giving what I would call "false pressure," and leads to much bigger problems in the subsequent motions of the stroke.
@stanjones129
@stanjones129 3 жыл бұрын
@@JoeyMantiaOfficial Hi Joey, I hear you but I actually meant away from the push but before the push, just as the leg is about to set down. Maybe we are having a communication breakdown , what I am talking about is leaning the shoulders and hips into the inside during the set down on long track - that would allow landing on an outside edge and a more "direct" push but it does move the pushing hip up, but it wouldn't absorb energy (I think) though it does change the way one pushes. I am not talking about moving the hips relative to the shoulders. My sense from your video is that you are saying the hips should always be parallel to the ground, and I really don't see that here -kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJXOYWaLjNyXaZI I certainly hear you about the hips and shoulders and I noticed that Bart Swings used to have his whole body swaying quite a bit but now seems to set down with the hips pretty much parallel to the ground, and they pretty much stay there, and I can see that is good double push technique but in long track I would say that the hips don't stay parallel (maybe a bad thing ???). Thanks for the discussion, it is helpful :). I bet if we had some paper or could do this in person it would be resolved quickly :).
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
@@stanjones129 you could pull up 100 videos of amazing skaters and pick something they're not doing perfectly. Take a peek at the fastest man to ever skate a 5k - kzbin.info/www/bejne/nX-VZZ2aeNyIesk&ab_channel=SashaSkatingChannel - his hips look pretty parallel to me. To get over the top nerdy- skating is a complex lateral movement in which you are dealing with a skate that is moving about your center of mass, while simultaneously moving your center mass about that moving skate in a way that creates forward momentum, all while dealing with gravity, centripetal force (maybe more relevant to reference the fake centrifugal force), and friction. It's not exactly a simple motor skill you can define by referencing a single section from your physics or anatomy book. On top of that, you must consider the entire stroke pattern- If you make one piece of it really strong by adjusting your hips in a way you are referring to, you must undeniably give up either time, effectiveness, or both in regards to the remaining motions that make up a full stroke (both legs finishing a full cycle) and that isn't going to be efficient in the grand scheme of things when the goal is to broaden the power curve and ultimately deliver the maximum amount of force OVER TIME vs energy expended
@stanjones129
@stanjones129 3 жыл бұрын
@@JoeyMantiaOfficial I see that. Would you say that Bloemen is getting less weight transfer than the Norwegian ? The latter seems to be setting down more on an outside edge. I had noticed that skaters generally set down with the hips perpendicular to the set down leg.
@stanjones129
@stanjones129 3 жыл бұрын
Or there's a tendency there...after watching a few more Olympians I can see that they tend to have the hips level. Interesting !
@manchalasrinivasarao5504
@manchalasrinivasarao5504 5 ай бұрын
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@satyaram384
@satyaram384 3 жыл бұрын
Hi sir
@vedant4407
@vedant4407 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine heart from world champion
@slapdashdigo6758
@slapdashdigo6758 2 жыл бұрын
Omg you are a goat.
@paulaadesokan288
@paulaadesokan288 3 жыл бұрын
How to develop speed skating
@danflanagan9536
@danflanagan9536 3 жыл бұрын
Tilting the hips would make for a more efficient double-push, wouldn't it? Especially, as your body is falling towards the center line as you set the skate down?
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
It's a lazy double push and essentially you're giving up compression in your skates when you tilt. So, it's efficient in terms of making a motion that is 'easy' but if you want the most out of each push, you should concentrate on trying to keep your hips flat. Yes you want to 'fall' into the strokes, but not by consciously dropping the hips to do it
@Zenskatemaster
@Zenskatemaster 3 жыл бұрын
@@JoeyMantiaOfficial Why, please? Why does keeping your hips flat get you the most out of each push. To get the most out of each push you need to be maximising the underpush (as the outside edge can deliver more force for longer) and as your torso is tilted, so should your hips. You seem to be conflating skeletal tilting with consciously dropping the hip.
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
@BackwardSkater because... although you may me able to spike your compression by titling the hips (creating a small burst of speed), there comes a point where the hips have to tilt back the other way and in that phase of tilting from one side to the other, you lose compression in your wheels and thus efficiency- the name of the game is delivering force over time, stretching out the power curve, as opposed to what most skaters on the planet do and trash at their underpush because they think it's the best way to skate- I blame the underpush frenzy for this. I think all too often we look at people who win, or have won huge races and assume that they are doing things completely perfect, which is rarely the case, if ever... They are just doing things BETTER than those they are racing against. I agree you need to maximize what the skate does when it is underneath your body, but imagine how much more power you could create if you did it without giving up the flat position of your hips. I challenge you to go out and try to double push with keeping your hips flat and pay attention to how much more control you have of what you're doing, vs consciously trying to tilt or rotate your hips. I also think it's worth noting that if you feel like you physically skate better by doing wild motions or tilting the hips, then you should skate that way. I'm all about whatever enhances your skating experience, but it's worth mentioning that after spending 25 years trying to be the best on the planet at skating more efficiently than any other human alive on multiple surfaces with multiple kinds of skates, I'm confident you need to work to keep the hips flat to make that happen, even if they don't ever actually stay completely flat, that should be your working goal to actively maintain the highest level of skating you can do. Hope that makes sense.
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
@@Zenskatemaster also, I don't agree that you can deliver more force for longer by tilting the hips- I think that thought process is likely brought on by human anatomy because the range of hip flexion isn't quite there without working diligently on it, so perhaps it becomes an illusion that you need to drop or raise your hip to FEEL like you're maximizing your push. In the end, it is not easy to keep the hips flat and skate, which is probably why skating properly isn't the easiest natural movement for humans
@Zenskatemaster
@Zenskatemaster 3 жыл бұрын
​@@JoeyMantiaOfficial Thank you for taking the time to answer but you have not explained why keeping hips parallel to the ground is better. You keep using tilt as an active verb as an alternate to dropping your hip, which isn't what I'm talking about. Hips should be quiet. Perhaps I shouldn't have used the term 'underpush' as I agree about the frenzy and thrashing at it but if I am pushing all my power through an outside edge, I want my hips strong and perpendicular to my spine which will not be perpendicular to the ground, I will be leaning at an angle and therefore so will my hips be 'tilted'. I am certainly not advocating any independent movement of the hips or any "wild motions" and I never said "you can deliver more force for longer by tilting the hips", I was trying to make the point that when timing is optimised more force can be applied through the outside edge for longer than you can the inside edge, due to the mass of the other leg shifting your centre of gravity. I have spent the last 25 years as an instructor, at the opposite end of the skating spectrum, trying to workout and help the most hopelessly keen beginner skaters achieve a basic level of comfort, confidence and understanding so that they can skate the simple stuff well and move on from there. What is truly amazing is that the issues affecting and preventing beginners from achieving are often exactly the same as they are for experienced skaters who's natural ability has taken them past spending the time to really nail down some of the very basics - like scales and arpeggios on a musical instrument. I've spent years understanding why "skating properly isn't the easiest natural movement for humans" and
@mekkuper6746
@mekkuper6746 3 жыл бұрын
Hips don't lie.
@shyamberabera8008
@shyamberabera8008 2 жыл бұрын
Hlo sir plz hindi translation type ☺️🙏
@carterjanssen5353
@carterjanssen5353 2 жыл бұрын
It's hip to be square!
@oeylille
@oeylille 3 жыл бұрын
it's hip to be square
@JoeyMantiaOfficial
@JoeyMantiaOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
the nerd in me thinks so, the skater it me knows so
@dudinishaq1511
@dudinishaq1511 3 жыл бұрын
hi joey can you give words of encouragement to my son in any photo post on his Instagram account @logan _ishaq because he always looks at you on youtube n instagram
@trollobite1629
@trollobite1629 2 жыл бұрын
#1 Drop your weight into your hips. Of course, you have no idea what that means until you can skate reasonably well at which point this tip is of no value because you already know how to drop your weight into your hips. 😁 #2 Take the air to your diaphragm this will help to drop your weight into your hips. Beginners are nervous and naturally take the air to the top of their lungs which helps to pull their weight out of their hips making them even more unstable. #3 Wear a spine protector. It doesn't matter how good you are on skates freak accidents happen and can floor you before you've even sensed you're on a fall. I did exactly that and landed on my tailbone and it took nearly 18 months to be able to skate again without pain. #4 Don't take my advice I'm divorced 🤣
@aslsahin6063
@aslsahin6063 3 жыл бұрын
this is my problem, my hips want to move
@edwinmontero8194
@edwinmontero8194 3 жыл бұрын
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