3 Key Verses Postmillennialists Use When Defending Postmillennialism

[@jordanmattievisuals]

Thank for this! One other verse that really hit postmillennialism home for me was Hebrews 10:12-13: "But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet." Similar to Psalm 110:1 and 1 Corinthians 15:25, it emphasizes the fact that Jesus is sitting at the right hand of the Father, and "waiting until" all of His enemies are put under His feet. In other words, He will be in heaven (and not on the earth) until all of His enemies are put under His feet.

[@mikedvirgilio1960]

You did it! There really is a man behind the curtain. Great job!

[@Jglassmin]

Dang! The man behind the Eschatology Matters Mask finally reveals himself! Great job brother, you need to be in front of the camera more often.

[@Spurgeon_General]

Solid verses! One passage (multiple verses) that I think are often neglected by postmillennials is from Romans 11. It’s a powerful apologetic to the fact that the great commission will be so successful that Israel will be “provoked to jealousy”. Israel’s rejection leads to “the reconciliation of the world” (all nations). Which in turn will provoke their nation to become Christian. There is so much yet to happen in church history.

[@Hartman0914]

Not all postmills view Romans 11 the same tho. I don't hold your view. Some agree with Calvin and the reformers and others take a view similar to yours, like Murray for example.

[@eschatology_matters]

I use this as an arguement for Postmillennialism myself. But some, like Calvin, had a different view of this passage.

[@Spurgeon_General]

@@eschatology_matters True, and if I recall Calvin’s view, it was that the Israel spoken of in chapter 11 was simply the church. Most Amillennials hold to this view, and I think that it really needs to be more publicised how exegetically untenable that actually is. The entire context as well as key passages (such as a “partial hardening”) does not allow for it. This channel should do an episode on this. Seriously. Get an Amill who holds to this and a postmill to discuss that chapter.

[@Hartman0914]

@Spurgeon_General there are a bunch of debates online on this subject. But it would be interesting for two postmill brothers to have a friendly debate. Its usually a debate with a dispy since they unanimously hold a future conversion. A book I'd recommend to you is the Israel of God by O Palmer Robertson.

[@ethanlash914]

A rare, but awsome sighting of Mr.Wood himself

[@wgterry73ify]

Daniel 2:34As you looked, a stone was cut out by no human hand, and it struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces. 35Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold, all together were broken in pieces, and became like the chaff of the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away, so that not a trace of them could be found. But the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth. Thoughts??

[@eschatology_matters]

Postmil verse

[@tarascoterry]

The stone is referring to Jesus not “The church”. Right? But I think post-mil would need this to be the church. So say it is the church. Then it’s destroying the kingdoms, not evangelizing them and … did that already happen? Calling the church a kingdom (spiritual I’m guessing) also doesn’t match the other physical kingdoms. We inherit the kingdom (future tense), not we are presently a kingdom. There’s just too much that doesn’t match without a ton of explaining away things. That doesn’t make it wrong, but it means these are NOT post-millennial verses. The seed tree parable and great commission fit my idea of post-mil verses (not Ps 110), but the hermeneutical principles that guide post-mil (and a-mil) theology eliminates any of the OT from being “their” verses IMO. I mean, you wouldn’t call Genesis 1 a good set of verses for “day age” theory of creation and for the same reason.

[@oracleoftroy]

@@tarascoterry I don't think it makes that much sense to separate the king from his kingdom. It is about Christ and the kingdom he established during his first advent. That rock is Christ and is the Church that he is the head of. _"Calling the church a kingdom (spiritual I’m guessing) also doesn’t match the other physical kingdoms."_ That's a feature! The rock in the dream is a kingdom not cut from human hands and is a kingdom not of the world. The kingdom Christ established is also a kingdom not like the kingdoms of this world. That lends credence to the postmil position. The church is certainly in the world, but it is not of the world. It is unlike any of the other kingdoms of the world and dwells in the midst of its enemies such that often one can't see its workings until one looks at the big picture across centuries. The way I view it, the OT passages eliminates most premil thought, especially dispensationalism. There, Christ returns to establish yet another worldly kingdom to beat up all the other worldly kingdoms. The only difference is that Christ is physically on earth serving as a king. But the Postmil understanding does not entail a physical kingdom in the same way, rather it spreads through the preaching of the gospel, changing hearts and minds, even the hearts and minds of magistrates who now want to live out every aspect of their life in accordance to what Jesus commands out of love for their savior. That means the kingdom has an impact on worldly kingdoms because the gospel is mighty to transform the lives of sinners, but it is still not itself worldly kingdom.

[@wgterry73ify]

Good job Brandon!

[@AustinGonder]

My top 3 postmil passages: 1. Psalm 22:27-31 2. Matthew 13:31-33 3. 1 Corinthians 15:20-26

[@MichaelPHays]

Psalm 110:1 is more than a keytext, is the most repeated verse in the entire Bible! Matt 13:32 is only one of a dozen showing the growth, and victory, of the Kingdom, over time. Matt 28:18-20 means exactly what it says. Look how the world has been transformed over the last 2000 years, due to the power of the Gospel of the Kingdom. The blessings that we, and the world, enjoys today is due to the Gospel. Jesus and presuppositions rule! Let's talk.

[@henrylopez7721]

Don't forget the Great commission Matthew 28. All authority has been given to me

[@eschatology_matters]

That was in the video 😁

[@sufficientlyrandom8184]

Sounds very similar to the Amillennial position. Perhaps you could do one to explain the nuanced differences between the two?

[@eschatology_matters]

Sounds good

[@tarascoterry]

I don’t think A-mill really defines much left in the way of prophecy, does it? It’s hard to imagine what an amill passage would mean for eschatology. They are more likely to have verses against other positions which isn’t the same.

[@sufficientlyrandom8184]

@tarascoterry not sure if you understand the Amil position then.

[@tarascoterry]

@@sufficientlyrandom8184 perhaps. So in a-mil, what is the next prophetic event?

[@tarascoterry]

@@sufficientlyrandom8184 For example, for disp it’s probably the rapture (or tribulation depending on sub category) and post-mil it’s the church taking over the earth either through evangelism or conquering (I’m not sure which at this point). The verses chose match my expectation of the post-mil position, but I don’t see them matching an a-mil position. But as you say, I may not understand it enough.

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

I have a hard time seeing how these passages are postmil? These align perfectly with the amil position. Where do postmils get the idea that the majority of the world will become Christians before Christ returns? Why do they deny that the world will get worse as time goes by just as Jesus and the apostles definitively teach in the NT?

[@itedin]

What about babies dying at 100, does that make the top ten list?

[@TheApologeticDog]

how did I know...Psalm 110:1 :D

[@eschatology_matters]

👊

[@toddstevens9667]

Ummmm … none of those verses are about post-millennialism. Just saying

[@Stardestroy]

Wrong.

[@toddstevens9667]

@@Stardestroy I agree. All of those verses are the wrong verses to try to prove post-millennialism. In fact, I’m not sure there are any right verses to prove it 🤪😜🥸

[@toddstevens9667]

I mean, amillennialism, postmillennialism, and dispensationalism all believe those same 3 verses. But they each start with different presuppositions about the mechanism by which those verses are brought to pass. But it’s all about your starting premises. Different premises lead to different understandings of those passages.

[@kzgdan]

Debated a post millennial guy recently and he brought up all of these verses.

[@toddstevens9667]

I suspect that if you debated an Amil or Dispy that they would use the same 3 verses to defend their positions lol