3. Noah's Flood and the Epic of Gilgamesh

When the Epic of Gilgamesh was discovered in the late 19th Century, it sent a shock wave through the world of biblical scholarship, as attempts were made to reconcile the account of Genesis with the similar account of the ancient Mesopotamians. In this lecture, Prof. Gore seeks to find the proper understanding of the relationship between the two, while summarizing in some detail the most important features of the great Gilgamesh tale. For more free resources, please visit www.brucegore.com.

[@bobthebuilder9553]

I like this expositor. HE is one of the few I can listen to all the way through from one topic and study, to the next.

[@wesdale1753]

Bruce is a living Encyclopedia Britanica. I praise God for his gift to the church.

[@jackjones9460]

The similarities of accounts makes perfect sense after considering Abraham came from Ur which is where Gilgamesh’s account was found. Every similarity confirms a similar source. Every difference confirms Mankind’s desire to pattern the God on Mankind as the ultimate tyrants.

[@Ebiek]

100% if you put aside the belief of God/Gods existence, is it a far stretch to think that any of the monotheistic religious text is based on much older stories? Also, given our current situation with extreme weather events we currently experiencing, that a similar event may have taken place and used to explain some narrative?

[@jackjones9460]

@@Ebiek As I read about Sumerian culture they seemed to have arrived on the scene, knowing how to write, calculate, divided time, earth and astronomical measurements using the same 360° concept. They built ziggurats, beautiful jewelry and ornaments, just about equal to anything any other culture did for the following 3-4,000 years. Arrata or Aratta is the previous city the king of Ur credited with their development but the story is dismissed as myth. I think we should believe what he wrote! Why would any king credit another with his accomplishments unless he knew it to be true?!

[@sablechicken]

It is interesting how the speaker asks, I don't know why Hollywood has picked up on this interesting story? The reason is they don't want us to think about real history or know the truth. Great video.

[@hannah_____thetabloidjunki6691]

Theres a movie 'noah' with tom hanks and emma Watson. Donno if its good

[@MB.MORAN1]

@@hannah_____thetabloidjunki6691 yes, but that movie is so so way out of what the Bible says.

[@fransieobrien3759]

W

[@darylallen2485]

If you think movies get made because movie studios want to teach people something, you are native.

[@josiepens4480]

@@hannah_____thetabloidjunki6691 Not Tom Hanks. Russell Crowe.

[@thephotoandthestory]

I'm a Catholic and I have really enjoyed listening to your classes, hearing your perspective. Your presentations are really captivating and quite funny at times.

[@GoreBruce]

Thank you! One of my dearest closest friends is Catholic. We have wonderful conversations about the things we agree on as well as the points where we differ a bit!

[@VaxtorT]

Sorry to hear that. That You are catholic. I will pray that the Lord will lead You to Salvation.

[@cjude0444]

​@@VaxtorTread between the lines

[@patriothippie5881]

Just purchased your book Thank you Mr. Gore for all of your hard work through the years. I had not heard your name until I somehow stumbled upon your channel just a couple of weeks weeks ago. Browsing through the comment sections in several of your videos it is apparent that there are others who appreciate you as much As I am. Thanks again

[@GoreBruce]

Thank you!

[@patriothippie5881]

@@GoreBruce tell me ... do you recommend an atlas ? Have you in all of your studies come to trust a particular atlas ?

[@GoreBruce]

@@patriothippie5881 I have relied on multiple sources for credible maps of the ancient world, but I don't have any particular set that I recommend above any others. Thanks for your interest!

[@patriothippie5881]

@@GoreBruce thank you for your timely response

[@williamjayaraj2244]

Thank you very much for the message on the Epic of Gilgamesh professor Gore. Great teaching.

[@QuaaludeCharlie]

Gilgamesh travels extensively Just purchased your book Thank you Mr. Gore for all of your hard work

[@williamgrahamsog]

Bruce Gore you are a teacher by all standards of the word. I've visited not only this page, but your website also. And all I can see is a man determine to invest all he has in to the hearts and minds of those who want it.

[@GoreBruce]

I appreciate that encouragement very much. Thank you!

[@BombillaShooter]

I can’t believe you left out the entire Bull of Heaven story. Ishtar tells Anu that Gilgamesh has spurned her advances and insulted her. She convinces her dad , Anu, to permit her to send the Bull of Heaven to punish Gilgamesh. Enkidu ends up killing the Bull and while dismembering it hurls a piece of flesh at Ishtar all while insulting her. THIS is the reason that Enkidu is sentenced to death - NOT because Gilgamesh insulted Ishtar.

[@jackjones9460]

I understood killing the Bull of Heaven was part of the insult. A tremendous sacrilege no doubt but for sure Ia’anna or Ishtar took to another level the phrase “Hell has no fury like a woman scorned”!

[@gilgameshtheimmortal369]

Didnt they also take the horns that were of lapis lazuli from the bull, and i think i remember reading something about traces of lapis lazuli were found on said tablet...? Not too sure if im mistaken.

[@ryanautrey2269]

And this is related to the constellation of Taurus.

[@lisaathens1629]

Mr. Gore, Happy Greetings again from Lisa (your student in Atlanta GA)! My sweet doggie pass of old age, hurt so bad. Finally got a new baby.... my best friend already. I named him Enkidu (inspired by your class) 😊. Big smiles from Enkidu and I.... and thank you again for posting your great (very helpful) classes!

[@GoreBruce]

Very sorry for your loss. I've been through that unhappy experience myself once or twice. I am very happy, however, that Enkidu lives on!!

[@lisaathens1629]

@@GoreBruce Heaven knew my heart was broken, but prayer for a perfect new baby was sure answered! Enkidu is wonderful, needed me too (avoid going to the pound). Already answers to his name and runs to me. Thank you for his perfect name, Mr. Gore!

[@mildredmartinez7498]

Liked your rendering of Gilgamesh. How profoundly human and inspiring,

[@wesdale1753]

Excellent presentation. Thank you. ❤

[@Ramoreira86]

Gilgamesh: 2/3 god, 1/3 man, 100% Chad. Me: Suck at math

[@kevinpicur7739]

HE was a nephilim(descendant of The Sons of Gods mixing with humans)

[@WORDversesWORLD]

No man will ever know the truth of our past world so speculate, theorize, hypotheses and give lectures, but if will never be known!

[@outofthebox7]

You wish.

[@WORDversesWORLD]

@@outofthebox7 You're the reason science can still get away with lies, you believe them.

[@outofthebox7]

@@WORDversesWORLD I am the type of person that knows THE Truth already, so if I can have it, all can have it. You just don't want to have it, so indeed you never will. PS. The ark has been found and it it the exact size the Bible says.

[@WORDversesWORLD]

@@outofthebox7 The ark is made by man and has nothing to do with Christ! And the truth doesn't come from men either. You trust in that which you can see and touch, that's not living in the Spirit, therefore you can't know truth.

[@outofthebox7]

@@WORDversesWORLD The ark was a type to Christ says Peter. The ark was built by man be ause of God's order. My life and faith is not on believing the ark story, but on my supernatural encounters with Him, first being receiving His Spirit. Having said that, the found ark and the evidence of all other huge miraculous workings in the OT still point to the truth of God and glorify His wisdom and plans.

[@frankmithra6140]

The Great Epic describes the "Advanced Beings" in the Middle East ! Gilgamesh travels extensively throughout the region! Happy New Year 😇

[@queenfanpiper6299]

I am an atheist but I do like your presentations.

[@GoreBruce]

I am honored. Thank you!

[@jaimeneves3745]

@markyhabs they want to bring him back to life

[@kinggilgamesh4549]

who cares if your atheist

[@cintovalenzuela7710]

@@kinggilgamesh4549 I care

[@burningbabel]

Maybe this was based on an actual meeting between a Mesopotamian ruler, Nimrod or someone else, that traveled to talk to Noah about his experience. If he truly lived as long as the bible says and everyones lives thereafter were shortenend he would have seemed like an immortal to his immediate descendants.

[@mollykdaniel8040]

I feel so blessed to have come across this man of God and his teachings! Thank you Jesus and Holy Spirit led us into Your Truth!!❤🙌🙏

[@DoraemonCoolrocks]

Hey if you are reading this can u explain me in short . I really feel so stuck I want Jesus but I came across comment about this Gilgamesh and Noah..I just want to stop over thinking 🥺 please help god bless you

[@mollykdaniel8040]

@@DoraemonCoolrocks sorry, i just got this message! I will try to help however I can! Ask away... If I don't know the answer, I know the One who does... 😉

[@willmcpherson2]

I really wish more people knew about the Enuma Elish and the Epic of Gilgamesh! To me it makes the Old Testament more genuine and real. I could rant forever about this, but I'll just say that we as Christians NEED to recognize the existence of pagan gods or at least the power of idols. We need to take paganism as seriously as Abraham did.

[@GoreBruce]

+swell guy Thanks for the feedback!

[@charliehutch3533]

and maybe, though it might be too big a stretch, that Christianity has been a modified version of those acient religious practices.. The body of christ, for example, has its origin in animal sacrafice where they would sacrifice an animal then ear its flesh and drink its blood... 'sound familiar' on sunday with standing in line or passing the bread around??/ "this is my body, this is my blood''

[@MUJAHID56787]

Abraham smashed the idols!

[@philipocarroll]

swell guy To me it makes the Old Testament derivative and plagiarised. It fits with the reality of the Bible as interpreted myth and legend mixed in with some historical characters and events. Gilgamesh and Genesis use the flood for different reasons. Gilgamesh uses it to explain how Utnapishtim became immortal and how it was so extraordinary an event that Gilgamesh should give up his quest for eternal life and accept his mortality. In the bible it is used to show how a righteous god will exterminate the unrighteous. In Gilgamesh the gods are capricious, drowning mankind because they are too noisy and numerous. It is recognized later in the epic that this was too draconian.

[@arosantoryu8182]

bruh you watched fate too nice

[@NeyTochi]

Thank you so much professor for your presentation.

[@GoreBruce]

Thank you for your interest!

[@danielaweber8491]

Great explanation of the differences in the psych of this non believer gilgamesch and noah....and the true facts. Facts explained is dependent on the way we see the world. I love the bible and i love jesus

[@chrisw8627]

Me too I love the Bible!! I love Jesus!!!! Or true history !!

[@flamelily2086]

Almost every culture in the world has a great flood story. It is probable that there was a catastrophic flood in ancient times and stories were handed down orally before being written down. It does not follow that the story of Noah was copied from the epic of Gilgamesh. The Jewish people had probably been passing down the story of Noah orally for centuries before it was written down.

[@lawsonj39]

The Sumerians were writing the epic of Gilgamesh centuries before the Hebrews learned how to write--if they even existed as a distinct ethnic group--so it seems likely that they got the story from the Sumerians or their successors.

[@leandrodacera6076]

Yes. The accounts of the different cultures all came from the same source. Some biases were added later to make room for the gods they worshiped. My assumption is, the flood story was already told many times before God gave the correct account to Moses.

[@manog8713]

@@leandrodacera6076 Before God gave the correct account to Moses? Wow! a typical religeous fanatic. It was all a natural phenomena like what happenes now every year around the world. The jews made it one of those strange stories to sertve their purposes, that's all.

[@MB.MORAN1]

@@lawsonj39 so, yes I agree but only partially. Hebrews, sumerians, and many other cultures learned about the flood from his ancestors. Abraham learned it from his ancestors while living in Ur, but since Israel was hundreds of years in Egypt, and maybe the oral traditions may have became confusing, the truth had to be restored, so God through Moses told the story again.

[@mynameiswoman]

In 2005 we had a huge flood in my country that lasted just over 2 weeks. The entire East Coast was flooded out. Water was waist deep, cars were damaged and we had to use boat for transportation. Floods happen geographically. It is impossible for the entire earth to be flooded at once. The bible was written in a time when the inhabitants thought the earth was flat. The story was exaggerated to suit their purpose.

[@pragmaticamente4734]

Thanks, you reminded me to read the Iliad again. If Utnapishtim is Nuabu/Zuabu/Ziusudara/Zin Sudu, Gilgamesh (Bilgamesh) would be of the same generation than Nimrod (Nemrut). I'm not saying they are the same historical figure but they must be at least relatives, at least cousins. If Utnapishtim were the grand father of Gilgamesh, the author would have simply put it. The use of "ancestry" instead of "grand father", it suggests that Utnapishtim was at least the "great grand father" of Gilgamesh.

[@UNRELATIVE]

I was hoping for a more discussion on how an earlier flood story does or doesn't discredit the Biblical account of Noah.

[@garnetnard4284]

Spoiler: nothing discredits the flood of Noah. Once you understand that you are on your way to further understanding.

[@MayLNg]

@@garnetnard4284 All known science discredits Noah's flood, which is a made up fiction. The amount of water required to cover the highest mountains is 3 times as much as available above and below of the surface of the earth. Before you repeat the "fountains of the deep" nonsense, the fact is that most of the below surface water is locked in minerals like ringwoodite. The energy required to free this would boil the earth. Also, many civilizations flourished uninterrupted during the flood years. We have evidence of an uninterrupted civilizations in North China for the past 20,000 years and another one in Australia for the past 50,000 years. Either you do not understand science or more likely, you spread lies in the service of your religion and church.

[@iancorrie7043]

I think it describes the creation of the Black Sea and the destruction of the Neolithic settlements there.Either way,it's a great story.

[@simonat7256]

I've always linked them together as well. I'm from Bulgaria, where the oldest golden treasure in Europe was found (7000-8000 years before Christ). I've always linked the Noah flood legend with the last parts of the Ice Age in Europe. I can only imagine what could be found deeper inwards into the sea and under the ground there.

[@catandmouse14]

I don’t know anything about the Black Sea or when it was formed, but I think this is a vary interesting idea.

[@charliehutch3533]

This is a quote found on Wiki with the foot notes removed only: "Andrew George submits that the Genesis flood narrative matches that in Gilgamesh so closely that "few doubt" that it derives from a Mesopotamian account. What is particularly noticeable is the way the Genesis flood story follows the Gilgamesh flood tale "point by point and in the same order", even when the story permits other alternatives. In a 2001 Torah commentary released on behalf of the Conservative Movement of Judaism, rabbinic scholar Robert Wexler stated: "The most likely assumption we can make is that both Genesis and Gilgamesh drew their material from a common tradition about the flood that existed in Mesopotamia. These stories then diverged in the retelling." Ziusudra ("he who found long life"), Utnapishtim ("he who found life") and Noah ("he who found rest") are the respective heroes of the Sumerian, Akkadian and biblical flood legends of the ancient Near East. The tablets are dated 2600 BCE ... ...From the diverse sources found, two main versions of the epic have been partially reconstructed: the Standard Akkadian version, or He who saw the deep, and the Old Babylonian version, or Surpassing all other kings. Five earlier Sumerian poems about Gilgamesh have been partially recovered, some with primitive versions of specific episodes in the Akkadian version, others with unrelated stories.." The book of Genesis is often misunderstood to be 'the word of god'... here's a little hint of another possibility: "Genesis appears to be structured around the recurring phrase elleh toledot, meaning "these are the generations," with the first use of the phrase referring to the "generations of heaven and earth" "Since the 1970s there has been a revolution in scholarship: the Elohist source is now widely regarded as no more than a variation on the Yahwist, while the Priestly source is increasingly seen not as a document but as a body of revisions and expansions to the Yahwist (or "non-Priestly") material. .." My conclusion is these collections of stories were in fact continuously redacted to suit the political and governmental needs of the times and have been redacted ever since. There does not seem to be a 'original source' anywhere as our abilities to produce one are limited to what is found. Perhaps in some future date another more ancient copy will be discovered but never the less... They are ALL the words of men with agendas.

[@kipbrown1]

+Charlie Hutch ....right...the contents of the Bible are contrived. A grand conspiracy. Despite the fact that it was penned over 1500 years by over 40 different authors most of whom never knew each other, some how there was a master plan to redact in accordance with the "political and governmental needs of the times"...wow! It takes allot more faith to believe that which you postulate than it does to believe in a divine creator capable of preserving His Word in what we call the Bible. In light of the fact that eternity hangs in the balance on this issue I strongly encourage you to reassert yourself in your studies. You wouldn't be the first to set out to disprove the Bible only to discover it is true...even the Genesis account.

[@charliehutch3533]

KIP BROWN Always astounds me ... those that support the Christian Bible's 'truth' can constantly turn a 'blind eye' to what it actually states about its main protagonist. It is equally amazing the inability to recognize its origin in the Epic of Gilgamesh. That it was entirely lost until 900 BCE.. and miraculously found in the 'nick of time' ... but unfortunately did not prevent the destruction of the culture claiming its heritage, namely the loss to the Babylonians. A perfect god who fucked up with his 'perfect' creation to such an extent he had to destroy that creation, man, and start over again..wait.. what? perfect...perfect... wait..oh i c the bumbling 'god'... The priests of the 5th century BCE redacted the writings... after the release from Babylon its captured Hebrews, and in that redaction the Babylonian myths were instilled into it. Clearly agreed upon by Hebrew Scholars. So it started in Sumer, then Jerusalem, then Babylon, then back to Jerusalem then the Christians got a hold of it but it is the original work of a god?? come on that's like 'its just a cold sore, the check's in the mail and prime waterfront property'... I mean 'really' dude ... all that works with the ignorant.. but your not dealing with one here buddy. So go, with your veiled hypocrisy , back to the sheep that will fall for anything out of desperation please.

[@canadiankewldude]

Romans 1:22

[@charliehutch3533]

canadiankewldude If the 'author' didn't even write 'Romans' what does this say of its authority or accuracy? A quick look at the closing verses of Paul’s letter to Rome makes it clear that Paul did not pen the epistle: “Timothy, my co-worker, greets you; so do Lucius and Jason and Sosipater, my relatives. I Tertius, the writer of this letter, greet you in the Lord” (NRSV). Of course, Romans 1:1 indicates that Paul was the author. So who was this “Tertius,” and what was his role in the producing this letter?

[@charliehutch3533]

***** there simply was not a better answer until the age of the enlightenment... 17th century. I would wager as my opinion that your 'agenda' was to maintain ignorance and thereby solidity. The priestly source in and after Babylon redacted well and possibly for the sharper ones to read it the inconsistencies were left intentionally...

[@disastermaster596]

I also love Ovid's representation of the Deacalian flood in the Metamorphosis.

[@GoreBruce]

Great stuff!

[@pseudoplotinus]

So engaging. Such a fantastic lecturer.

[@VSP4591]

The similitudes between the flood of the Bible and that of Gilgamesh can not be underestimated. It is very likely that the Hebrews living in Summer/Babilon were very familiar with the Epic of Gilgamesh and adapt it to their needs and understanding of the world. The opposite is not an option.

[@chekovcall2286]

In Unseen Realm, Dr. Heiser said that the Hebrew response was polemic and rebutted the notion that forbidden knowledge was responsible depravity and the destruction of humanity.

[@mathsfornineyearolds]

The story is older than both of them.

[@VSP4591]

@@mathsfornineyearolds Could be but we do not have an older record than the Epic of Gilgamehs. Who knows.

[@outofthebox7]

Some stuff seem inaccurate in Gilgamesh. The boat was square... I believe oral tradition preexisted and the Hebrew account was the accurate later version documented, and not the supposed previous account of Gilgamesh.

[@VSP4591]

@@outofthebox7 Between the two documents, there are more than 1500 years. The Gilgames epic was the first written version of the flood. The story in the Bible got inspiration from this epic. Not the opposite. There are many materials on this subject. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJfElXd7j8mGpbM Prof. Irving Finkel | The Story of the Ark Before Noah

[@loremasteringwion9930]

Nimrod might be Enmerkar who was king before Gilgamesh according to the Sumerian Kings List. Research Enmerkar and Lord Aratta

[@truejudah7209]

That is a Great assessment. If you read that story he tried to unify the people with one language using amagic called The spell of Nimmud

[@framedheart]

I am so glad I found these videos! So insightful! It makes my Bible reading so much richer! Thank you!

[@GoreBruce]

I am very grateful for the feedback!

[@Joel-bg3cf]

Lots of great work done on this by Answers in Genesis, Creation Ministries International, and Institute for Creation Research. The Biblical account is clearly the inspiration for the Gilgamesh one-though written down later. The biblical narrative is clearly coherent and grounded realistic details, whereas aspects of Gilgamesh (e.g. a non-seaworthy box shaped boat) are distortions in the fashion of telephone telephone.

[@Ebiek]

Nope, it’s clearly the other way around. I don’t see how you get to your conclusion. Religions of old had Gods that were not dissimilar to humans in nature except in mortality. Monotheistic religions only came much later with much of beliefs and practices of the pagans entrenched in them. The telephone part you mentioned is accurate though, stories change based on the story teller and what they want to achieve! 😊

[@Joel-bg3cf]

@@Ebiek No, they become more and more fantastical over time. A rational story is decayed into a silly one. Check out all the world’s other flood narratives for examples. Only the Biblical one is coherent.

[@mathsfornineyearolds]

​@@EbiekKnowers arc in the 'james' bible is the square root of 1.05625 and the square root of three. In the protestant bible the statistic 45 is given. That is also part of the architecture for the heptagon. The flood historically may be a reference to the consequences of ice melt post ice age, but it could also be a metaphore for a psychological consequence. We can see an application of it in the physics of music and wave theory. .5625 is a hexagonal ratio derives from 30 degrees. There in empowerment in music frequency and wave ration. An examination of these statistics can reveal the whole picture, but without the spatial and cognitive awareness to see its presence everywhere we will gain little understanding of it. Mostly I see an instruction book application of it via PhD, or other forms of aquisition. I see from what we were told at college, use of those statistics in academic work submitted for assesment receives a nil score. We were warned not to put any of them in our essays. The intentions of use require ignorance of their existence and credukity of the source. Mainstream media appears to hols a lot of unwarrented credulity.

[@mynameiswoman]

Abraham was from Mesopotamia. He could have taken the story of Gilgamesh and the flood to his ppl.

[@Paddy234]

The events in genesis appear to be an antidote to the difference beliefs of the time. To tell the story of the true God by ways in which we would understand and were already familiar with because of surrounding influential cultures. The difference comes with how the One true God is drastically different from the Gods of the sumerians and surrounding cultures for example who were simply beings in an already created universe. The God of the Bible however is the creator of the universe itself. Not one being inside the universe but architect of it or what some Greek Philosophers believed, the prime mover. The intention of genesis is to explain who God is and our relationship with Him. There is no similarities between their deities and God of the bible. Philosophically they aren't even comparable

[@enki9243]

Abraham may not have actually existed, the bible is penned by differing authors and especially Yahwehist who penned the first 5 books (Moses). Hence we see Abraham engaging with Melchezedik in a Baal-Peor Celebration in the OT.

[@MB.MORAN1]

Well not exactly, Sumerians and Abraham heard the story of the flood from his ancestors, and yes Abraham heard it too, but along the time since the flood the oral traditions changed (purposely or not), if we go to the Bible we see that Shem was still alive when Abraham leave Ur, but even if that didn’t happened, other civilizations had the same stories of the flood and with some details that the epic of Gilgamesh doesn’t have, but Noah’s story has. Hebrews were hundreds of years in Egypt, so when they finally get out the truth had to be restored.

[@janetjones7554]

Yeah they change the story.. this is why the word History is more like his story.. dam sam

[@janetjones7554]

Where. You from .. then where I from go from there

[@Bildad1976]

Bruce, thank you so much for the extremely high-quality of Bible teaching which I discovered a little over a month or two ago! While I am a conservative Bible believer and hold to the inspiration of all scripture (including the Book of Genesis), I differ with my conservative compatriots regarding the method by which Moses received the Book of Genesis. There is very strong textual evidence that Moses actually COMPILED the Book of Genesis from a collection of either stone or clay tablets handed down from the actual authors of each of their respective sections (Adam, Noah, etc.). In countless ancient cuneiform tablets, we find that the Title/Author/Date statements (called colophons) often appear at the end of the documents (as opposed to the beginning as we do in modern times). We find these colophons throughout the Book of Genesis (usually at the end of their respective sections, and sometimes appearing edited), but they notably and curiously cease with the story of Moses himself. These colophons are what are commonly referred to as toledoth (Heb. for "generations") statements. Typical of these is Genesis 5:1-2 {“This is the book of the generations (or “records”) of Adam. In the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them Man in the day when they were created.”} If this explanation of the source of Genesis is correct (which, of course, I believe it is), it goes a long way in explaining many of the mysteries of Genesis [the seemingly stilted or incomplete phrasing of Genesis 2:5 (as if a corner of the tablet may have been inadvertently broken of), the oft-criticized two allegedly “conflicting” accounts of creation, the very orderly account of Creation in Genesis 1:1 through 2:4, the cessation of toledoth statements with the beginning of Moses personal account, etc.]. It also allows for the accounts in the Book of Genesis to be far older than any other similar accounts, including the Epic of Gilgamesh. A more complete (and far better) treatment of this theory can be found in the online article, “Who Wrote Genesis? Are the Toledoth Colophons?” by Charles V Taylor, M.A., Ph.D., PGCE, LRAM, FIL, Cert. Theol. Again, thank you for your very informative & highly-valuable teachings, and may God richly bless you!

[@GoreBruce]

Thank you. I agree with the widely accepted hypothesis that Moses was relying on a variety of sources as well as divine inspiration.

[@stefcui007]

How things have changed with the dating of Gobekli Tepe, Catyal Hyuk, etc. It is estimated that 600 men were required to build Gobekli Tepe, which would have come with wives and families... So Anatolia, 6500-8,500 BC, not Mesopotamia of 3000 BC, was the first attempt at cooperative living. It would be good to start here the roots of civilisation. Did they have their Gilgamesh?

[@kenruble5292]

The acceptance of 1 God over the idea of a gaggle of gods, fighting with each other, means recognition that the world has order instead of being whimsical. From this, comes the idea of natural law and from that we derive Western science which is the envy of the world.

[@jeremyhill2243]

Makes you wonder if he was a giant. The picture would seem to suggest that he was.

[@kevinpicur7739]

Nephilim

[@JRRodriguez-nu7po]

The relative dimensions of the Biblical ark are identical to all modern large ships because they provide best stability. The Gilgamesh ship is round, less stable. The largest wood ship built was of the approximate size of the Biblical ark. How did the Hebrews, who weren't sea farers, come up with the exact dimensions for best stability and largest practical size of a wooden boat? I used to be an agnostic, with extensive STEM background, who decided to prove the Bible scientifically inaccurate. I am now a young earth creationist BECAUSE of the science.

[@jonathanlechman]

❤spears,... i have plenty!...some arrow grinding in you? Jesus is Lord! Thanks again Bruce. Thank you,your friend Jon.

[@harryzero1566]

This guy seems to have a dramatic James Stewart sounding voice, does anybody agree with me.

[@scooprammer5934]

I was gonna answer no but after another listen absolutely spot on, great call

[@scottfoster3548]

Over 10 years ago and Mr. Bruce Gore says going paperless! I may have heard that over the same timeline, and I fought it (you need the hard copy in your hands, I felt) but our office has barely gotten to almost paperless NOW. AND we are a fairly large firm. Very good BG. NOW how about a study/lecture on the cult of Antinous, with shrines from Egypt to Germany and its competition with Christianity throughout Rome.

[@GoreBruce]

Good idea! I’ll look into it. Thanks.

[@moraemepasikhani9153]

Wow, this was amazing!

[@fadhichaldean5416]

The grandsons of Gilgamesh were here, Mesopotamia, the cradle of civilizations, when we hear the world speak of us with goodness, we know that we are people of two things, i am proud that I am from this country and i was born in the city of Your, where God wished me to be, my mother was pregnant with me, and in his journey to that historic city, I carry in my blood the fragrance of the four civilizations as if I were gilgames greeting you in this great lecture to a great person like King Gilgamesh.

[@harrank2786]

Galgamesh/GilGamesh. In kurdish means Gal/Gil= cloth, Ga= Bull or Gamesh means = Buffalo, Or Mesh= sheer fabric pertaining to skin. Bilgalgamesh: Bi= without, Ga= Bull, Gamesh= Buffalo, mesh= sheer fabric pertaining to skin.

[@mikedebell2242]

I remember reading 2/3 god and 1/3 man.

[@GoreBruce]

You are correct. Thanks for the correction.

[@behnam3730]

It refers to killing inner darkness.

[@andreabonanno437]

Golden ratio is 2/3

[@original..mrknowitall]

Number of the beast

[@mikedebell2242]

@Hair Razor Detox Yea. Git it.

[@mildredmartinez7498]

A story created some 5000 Years ago can create such controversy. Who says history doesnt matter?

[@MelanCholy2001]

Satanists. Look around at the statues coming down.

[@diewingfeather2415]

Great lecture!

[@kinggeorge86chadis44]

Awesome presentation.

[@Cod3Thr33]

Poor little inky-doo.

[@1000archangels]

CORONA GANG WHERE U AT

[@WoundedEgo]

It should be noted that the reason that the LORD sent the flood was that he regretted making mankind: [Gen 6:7 CSB] [7] Then the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I created, off the face of the earth, together with the animals, creatures that crawl, and birds of the sky ​-- ​for I regret that I made them." We see the LORD also motivated by regret here: [1Sa 15:11 CSB] [11] "I regret that I made Saul king, for he has turned away from following me and has not carried out my instructions." So Samuel became angry and cried out to the LORD all night. I'm not sure if we are not intended to understand Noah as a righteous man who intercedes for humanity, and talks God out of destroying humankind entirely (which he said he intended to do), much the same as we see Moses convincing the LORD to spare his People: [Gen 6:7-8 NKJV] [7] So the LORD said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them." [8] But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. [Jer 15:1 NASB95] [1] Then the LORD said to me, "Even though Moses and Samuel were to stand before Me, My heart would not be with this people; send them away from My presence and let them go! [Num 14:1o-20 NASB95] [19] "Pardon, I pray, the iniquity of this people according to the greatness of Your lovingkindness, just as You also have forgiven this people, from Egypt even until now." [20] So the LORD said, "I have pardoned [them] according to your word; And the reason that the LORD decided to give the rainbow covenant was the delightful smell of Noah's BBQ: [Gen 8:21 CSB] [21] When the LORD smelled the pleasing aroma, he said to himself, "I will never again curse the ground because of human beings, even though the inclination of the human heart is evil from youth onward. And I will never again strike down every living thing as I have done.

[@watashielshaeddo5454]

"I speak of the origin. Heaven and earth divided in two as creation is eulogized by the void. My Sword of Rupture shall cleave the world asunder. The millstone that rotates the stars guides the eve of genesis to the hell that lies above. May death silence you. Enuma Elish!"

[@atharvakulkarni1892]

nice reference zasshu

[@Mr0rris0]

This is not just made for movies it is most movies... You look at this and the enoch stuff and its basically the same as the epics of homer and star trek star wars the guardians of the galaxy dc and marvel universe starcraft and a lot more... at some level of magnification its either coming from or heading you to the nibaru alien visitor thing Making you want terminator genises and aliens and galactic federations and gaia ma ka, ma ga

[@golfer0422]

I am very curious of the time table here as it relates to when the epic was written, or when it took place compared to when the Biblical account of the flood was written in Genesis and then even compared against when Noah actually encountered the whole flood. I think it was explained to me that the time of the actual flood predated the Gilgamesh account.

[@GoreBruce]

The date of the flood is not known with certainty. An estimate based strictly on biblical chronology would put the date roughly around the year 2500 b.c., but that remains highly debated. Assuming there was a catastrophic flood as described in the Bible and in the Gilgamesh Epic, the Epic would obviously have been written sometime later, but the date of the Epic also remains disputed. The Exodus took place sometime after 1500 b.c, at the earliest, and thus the writings of Moses must have come later. It seems quite certain that Moses wrote his flood account centuries after the Epic of Gilgamesh was written. It seems likely that Moses was aware of the account. I believe Moses wrote, not 'borrowing' from the Epic, but critiquing and correcting it in favor of the robust monotheism of the Hebrews. Thanks for your interest!

[@louisemonaghan7399]

Robert Melendes b

[@golfer0422]

? Louise...

[@masada2828]

Agree.

[@rsyme4997]

Hi Robert and Bruce, you can check out the timeline of the Bible, Hebrew history, and world history at Periodic Table of History - in KZbin. There is a great explanation of the history from Adam to modern day and as exact times as people can get in relation to the events.

[@stevedelchamps5113]

Very enjoyable lecture. One observation: The versionfrom which the professor reads Is the acclaimed prose synthesis by NK Sandars, A female scholar who studied at University of LLondon and Oxford University. Available in a Penguin Classics edition.

[@isaiahrarrick5456]

Good summary... I wish more people read the narrative in the bible. There be less to reason with people.

[@linilorayin]

If you suggest that Noha's story is real because it is accounted in the Epic of Gilgemesh, then one must also believe that the Epic of Gilgemesh is True. Are you actually saying it's not just a ancient piece of literature but a true story? If so, we must start praying to Ninsun, Shamash etc..How can you discredit that part of the Epic but take the flood story to be real ??????

[@GoreBruce]

Thanks for the feedback. Of course, I'm not saying either account is accurate because the other incorporates elements found in both. The accounts vary widely, but not completely. It suggests to some a common though varying memory of an earlier event.

[@muddsmugglers]

you say( a ancient)instead of an ancient and we're supposed to think you have intelligence

[@ADogNamedStay]

dirty 4 play n is next to the backspace. The fact that you're grasping for straws already denotes your argument.

[@dh728]

Your assumption is a logical fallacy. Suppose I say to you, "The story of George Washington chopping down the cherry tree tends to validate that George Washington lived. Why? Because, along with other historical evidence that George Washington lived (such as other accounts, paintings of his likeness, etc.), this clearly fabricated story about him chopping down a tree and then admitting to it, adds to the weight of evidence that he, in fact lived. It would tell us other things about the way he was respected, about how his honor and character were considered of the highest quality, none of which would've been bothered with by the people of his day had he not existed." By your 'logic', we would be required to accept this cherry tree fable in every detail as absolute fact, simply for pointing out the obvious truth that it lends credence to the premise, that Washington lived. So it is with the Gilgamesh Epic, as the lecturer pointed out.

[@ADogNamedStay]

I say it happened but not to the extent that has been accounted for

[@rocketsurgeon1746]

1/3 god, 2/3 man? Nephilum?

[@maximussuffarion7767]

YESSIR

[@Mario_1611]

@Ozzy bin Oswald He didn't present himself as an expert on the subject. He handled the topic fairly well and did not make any error that affects the essence of his talk. You needn't be rude. If you thinking you know something make a youtube channel and teach us, O Wise One!

[@RockandrollNegro]

I don't know if you've taken a look at the work of Rob Skiba, but it's pretty compelling stuff. I believe that Nimrod and Gilgamesh are one and the same, and I find him popping up in pretty much all ancient cultures. The stories are the same, only the name is different. And the name difference is easily explained if you believe that God split the nations into 70 different languages after the Tower of Babel.

[@GoreBruce]

Yes...that has long been an intriguing theory. Thanks!

[@scottleft3672]

lol

[@jesuschristismygodtotheglo7533]

Marvin Harrison Smith II Read my comment above. Let's have dialogue, my friend.

[@jaredyoung5353]

Rob Skiba is a Heritic who denies the Trinity. Unfortunately I can't support him anymore. He has gone full false prophet.

[@MC-bd5ub]

Jesus Christ is my God To the glory of the Father I'll speak about your mythological god if you want.

[@gilgalbiblewheel6313]

It seems like the middle east around the time of the tower of Babel was pretty much dominated by the sons of Ham. There's Canaan, Heth (Hittites), Nimrod the son of Cush, as well as Egypt which seemed to extend to the land of Canaan until a certain point. Then there were the Phoenicians. Who were the Amorites descended from?

[@GoreBruce]

From Ham (Canaan) according to Genesis 10:15.

[@gilgalbiblewheel6313]

Bruce Gore so basically Ham’s descendants dominated the Middle East whereas Shem was the East and Japheth was the West.

[@zhihanlim3500]

@@gilgalbiblewheel6313 there was intermarrying between the descendents as well

[@jbussa]

Good presentation. There is no question there were floods. They lived in a river valley :) So.. Joseph goes into Egypt and shares with his a story of a particularly rough flood that was passed down since before Abram. The fact that this story is so similar to the biblical one suggests they both came from an earlier source but changed a bit over time as it is retold by peoples in a new land. Later, Moses includes that story in his new Monotheistic cult religion. I'm sure other stories like Daniel and the Lion, Samson and Delilah were passed down in similar fashion with a religious element added later.

[@mathsfornineyearolds]

I found these astronomical metaphores interesting when I started reading them in the 1970's. The Noa's ark aspect and its statistics all describe the coordinates of chi and phi and how they relate to the production of a heptagon. We studied that in search of a universal mathematical formula that would give us all the answers.

[@leandrodacera6076]

It could be possible that Utnapishtim was Noah. The people, including Gilgamesh mistook him to be gifted with immortality. Noah lived 350 years after the flood. Noah died when Abraham was approximately 58 years old.

[@Joshua-dc1bs]

LoL at him living for another 350 years.

[@randyeilers4061]

​@@Joshua-dc1bsNoah lived 350 years after the flood

[@Joshua-dc1bs]

@@randyeilers4061 Sure! If you believe in Fables.

[@randyeilers4061]

@@Joshua-dc1bs Its a pretty good fable. Written 4700 years ago on clay tablets in Gilgamesh's time. You should look it up instead of just being ignorant

[@Joshua-dc1bs]

@@randyeilers4061 Look it up? How would a Google search verify that someone lived to be 900 years old?

[@nebraskasandhills4635]

Genesis 6 says there were giants in those days and also after this, Nimrod I believe was a Nephilim

[@charlitoadams777]

You actually believe that. I'm no longer a Christian because of these farfetched stories. Also the contradictions.

[@bosshoggish1]

@@charlitoadams777 LOL Thank you! That's what I was going to say. I'm an ex-muslim but always had questions. Gilgamesh sealed the deal for me. Actually the stories might not be as far fetched. Science has evidence that the Younger Dryas impact may have cause a great flood as ice caps melted. There is evidence that the Sahara has fish and rivers in the desert. I'm definitely not suggestion relgion is real, I'm just saying these stories such as the flood may have come from something real. I think the bible took from Gilgamesh but the Sumerians may have had better knowledge of the story being passed down.

[@8698gil]

@@bosshoggish1 No doubt there were huge, catastrophic floods due to ice age melts, but still not worldwide.

[@snigdha7722]

@@charlitoadams777 what is your view of the footprint on Adam's Peak if giants did not exist ?

[@charlitoadams777]

@@snigdha7722 The bible is fake, non historical and has stolen mythological stories from other Cultures. Works of fiction, use real locations, real events, historical figures as background, but only as a background setting. Non believers try to reconstruct relevant facts & context. Believers try to concentrate on irrelevant facts, & give them false relevency. Hinduism which is close to 2,000 years before Christianity talks of Giants. Maybe you should become a Hindu. Canaanites, Moabites,Hittites,Gebusites are historical figures that are in the bible to make it valid. It's odd that none of those groups don't mention the Israelites amazing conquests.

[@StephenSulyok]

So interesting. Thank you

[@Thea_MojaveOutliersWhipmakers]

Hahahah! I laboriously created a tidy little play list for these lectures. And it was only THEN that I discovered.... lol! *le sigh

[@botha89]

Great presentation and insights thanks. Are there any ancient scriptures detailing Nimrod at all?

[@markbernard8312]

Only what is presented in Genesis.

[@Th3BigBoy]

Jasher.

[@basedxrp]

This is incredible work. Thank you.

[@raywinsor3948]

Notice that the ship in the Gilgamesh Epic had 6 decks (line 60) whereas the ark in Genesis had 3 decks. Also, the flood in the Gilgamesh Epic lasted one week only (lines 127-130)-hardly sufficient to bring about a global catastrophic flood , as evidenced by the worldwide distribution of billions of fossils of all life-forms. The Genesis Flood, on the other hand, lasted 150 days (including the 40-days and 40-nights of rain) before the flood waters abated or receded. Finally, the Genesis account tells us that a dove brought a freshly plucked olive tree to Noah-tangible evidence that the flood waters had receded from the earth-whereas the Gilgamesh Epic tells us that the raven, which saw the waters receding and found food, did not return to the ship (line 156). How then did Uta-napishti know for sure that the flood waters had actually receded? He could only have assumed because the raven did not return that it saw the flood waters receding and found food, but he could not have known for certain, as did Noah, without some tangible evidence. Some skeptics and liberal theologians would have us believe that the Jews who wrote the Bible actually borrowed myths of Babylonian origin concerning the Genesis Flood from the Gilgamesh Epic (and others) to include with their own writings. However, the big problem with this assumption, as we have observed in our comparison of the Epic of Gilgamesh with the Genesis Flood, is that the latter is far more reasonable and believable than the former. The details of the Gilgamesh Epic, which merely reflects the true record of the Bible, are the ones that have become corrupted and distorted, due to the limitations of human fallibility. Obviously stories handed down generation after generation that are not carefully preserved-particularly if they are handed down by word of mouth-do not improve with age. The truth is lost and the stories degenerate markedly. On the other hand, the biblical records have been handed down in written form (though there was a slight period of oral transmission in its early history), carefully preserved by the superintendency of God and have not been corrupted. Assuming our ancient past was very primitive and over a long period of time, we must ask ourselves how certain details of the story of the Great Flood or Deluge (we looked at same) could have been handed down from one primitive stone-aged culture to another purely by oral tradition, for hundreds of thousands of years, to be fully incorporated into the Gilgamesh Epic of the Babylonians. That such a thing could have happened for several thousand years is remotely conceivable. That it could have happened over a hundred thousand years is quite inconceivable. “The Gilgamesh Epic alone, rightly considered, administers a fatal blow to the concept of a vast antiquity for Noah” (quote by Dr. John C. Whitcomb in The Early Earth). Conclusion: The Epic of Gilgamesh is a distorted and corrupted reflection of divine revelation-the true record of the Genesis Flood. A friend, a highschool teacher, pointed out that The Gilgamesh Epic predated the biblical record of Noah’s Flood by centuries. Here is my answer to Paul. Yes, Paul, I knew you would say that but Genesis, written by Moses (the author of the first five books of the Bible) goes right back to the beginning of creation, so what I said and the details of each show, still holds true. Moses, who wrote Genesis, the book of beginnings, was writing under the inspiration of the Spirit of God (the supreme Author of scripture) so that Genesis is an accurate account of factual history going back to the original creation (most biblical historians recognize it as such) whereas the Gilgamesh Epic is a distorted corruption of divine revelation--of the true record of Genesis, as my careful and thorough comparison of the details of each clearly shows,. Certainly, the details of the biblical account, as I have shown , are far more reasonable and believable than the Babylonian Gilgamesh Epic,. It makes more sense that Genesis is actually older--that it was the original and the pagan myths arose as distortions of that original account. While Moses lived long after the event, he probably acted as the editor of far older sources. For example, Genesis 10:19 gives matter-of-fact directions, ‘as you go toward Sodom and Gomorrah and Admah and Zeboiim’. These were the cities of the plain God destroyed for their extreme wickedness 500 years before Moses. Yet Genesis gives directions at a time when they were well-known landmarks, not buried under the Dead Sea. It is common to make legends out of historical events, but not history from legends. The liberals commonly assert that monotheism is a late evolutionary religious development. The Bible teaches that mankind was originally monotheistic. Archaeological evidence suggests the same, indicating that only later did mankind degenerate into idolatrous pantheism. Stories of a gigantic global flood that nearly destroyed all humanity are found all over the globe (over 200 non-biblical historical accounts from tribes and nations around the world. The most detailed accounts come, as we would expect, from countries nearest to Ararat, where the Ark landed (Genesis 8:4). Other versions turn up in Persia (modern Iraq and Iran) , India, Burma, Indonesia, Sarawak, New Guina, Tahiti, Hawaii, China, Japan, Siberia, Australia (among the aborigines), and New Zealand (Maoris), Alaska (Eskimos), North America (Red Indians), South America, Egypt, Sudan, Nigeria, Congo, South Africa, Greece, Iceland, Lithuania, Finland, Lapland, Wales and Ireland. This agrees with Genesis 9:19: “These are the three sons of Noah, and, and of them was the whole earth overspread” ( or the populated). Of course,now the Bible has come to all these countries , but the “legends” were independent of the Bible, passed down over centuries in scores of tribal languages , and understandably corrupted and distorted in details of the original biblical account. Some details are very interesting. For example, Lxtlilxochitl , the native historian of the Aztecs, says that the world lasted 1716 days before it was destroyed by a flood (This figure is only 60 years different from the 1656 years which the Bible gives us by addition of the ages in Genesis 5--taking into consideration the overlapping of each subsequent generation by birth. The Chinese character (symbol) for a large ship is a combination of a figure 8 and the symbols for “mouths” or “persons” (recall Noah +Shem + Japheth + their wives = 8 “persons” aboard the Ark ). The Hottentots of South Africa believed they are descended from “Noh” , and the Hawaiians report a flood which only “Nu-u and his family were saved. I could mention many more that give details that parallel the biblical account, though clearly distorted and corrupted over generations of time. Liberals often claim that the Gilgamesh epic was embellished from a severe river flood, i.e. a local flood. This might work if there were similar flood legends only around the ancient near east. But there are thousands of such flood legends all around the world. Even the Australian Aborigines have legends of a massive flood, as do people living in the deep jungles near the Amazon River in South America. Dr Alexandra Aikhenvald, a world expert on the languages of that region, said: ‘… without their language and its structure, people are rootless. In recording it you are also getting down the stories and folklore. If those are lost a huge part of a people’s history goes. These stories often have a common root that speaks of a real event, not just a myth. For example, every Amazonian society ever studied has a legend about a great flood". This makes perfect sense if there were a real global Flood as Genesis teaches, and all people groups came from survivors who kept memories of this cataclysm. And keep in mind, as just pointed out, that It is common to make legends out of historical events, but not history from legends. Jesus accepted the historicity of the global flood of Noah (Matthew 24: 37-39; compare 2 Peter 3: 3-9), even comparing conditions in the world at His Second Coming to conditions in the wicked world of Noah.

[@YouTubehatesconservativespeech]

Ray Winsor, I must say that was an excellent apologetic for the Historical account of Noah's flood. Keep up the STRONG Work Soldier of Christ.

[@stevemclendsy9478]

Atra Haris and Zuihutra both tell the same story and they predates Noahs ark by almost 2,000 years. You are a liar.

[@joshua3392]

Ray,excellent job brother.No doubt the Holy Spirit helped you with all those proper perspectives & corrective comparisons.Naysayers & nonbelievers are known as such for a reason.They cant understand or testify for that which they dont know.May the LORD bless them to know the truth in HIS Holy word through CHRIST our SAVIOR.GOD warned us of fables & traditions,for obvious reasons.Titus 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.(KJV) 1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.(KJV) 2 Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.(KJV) 1 Timothy 4:7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.(KJV) 2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.(KJV)Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.(KJV).Im amazed that people put so much faith in anything that came out of Babylon.Satan the father of lies & confusion told the first lie in the garden.Henceforth Nimrod with his perverted mystery religions & the spirit of Babylon-satan,have been lying to man ever since.Manufactering counterfeits to almost every thing ALMIGHTY GOD ever did for HIS children.Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.(KJV)Ill take GOD'S word over the Babylonians any day. Psalms 12:7 “Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” King James Version (KJV)

[@kerbstomp1016]

Beautiful thank you!

[@DoraemonCoolrocks]

I think God heard my prayers...I was feeling so stuck... I really want Jesus I really want to love me and god tooo.... I read these comments saying oh because of Gilgamesh and Noah I left Christianity.... I was so broken how someone can give up so easily? I want to fight against my flesh I know God is real... because how humans went from nothing to everything (clothes, technology, relationships, emotions etc) thanks a lot for explaining things 😭

[@mariloubannon5874]

According to the epic and the Dead Sea scrolls, Noah was a son of a god and a human.

[@CDRamo]

Well? Abram (Abraham) was from the land of Ur. Maybe he took the stories with him when he moved away and became the “father the Hebrews”

[@mrnoedahl]

It’s nice to have all the archeological evidence, but all we really need to do is read The Institutes of The Calvin Religion.

[@olegoakley928]

"He put out his foot and prevented Gilgamesh from entering the house, so they grappled, holding each other like bulls. They broke the doorposts and the walls shook, they snorted like bulls locked together. They shatte red the doorposts and the walls shook. Gilgamesh bent his knee with his foot planted on the ground and with a turn Enkidu was thrown. Then immediately his fury died." - Where does it say that no one won? Clearly, Gilgamesh is the winner by throw.

[@GoreBruce]

Fair enough. Thanks!

[@olegoakley928]

Thank you! Don't get me wrong. I enjoyed listening to your lecture.

[@neilmurphy966]

It depends how we define victory.. I'm thinking of different example of ancient Egyptian art where defeated often shown under foot..or have hair held before being struck.. if there was any symbolism in Gilgamesh of person showing submission.. I always thought it was a playful fight..a way of communicating not just combat..? It was physical but also mystical..?

[@chekovcall2286]

@@olegoakley928 Bravo!

[@maximme]

in ancient days, DATE of recording is NOT date of event.

[@Sfhakrn]

This man eludes to some very ancient secrets during this lecture. Very learnéd. I’m impressed.

[@ava1234ish]

Earlier today I read a chapter from 'The Bible as History' by Keller describing Sir Charles Woolley's archaeological excavations at Ur with the Anglo-American Expedition that began in 1923. They dug a deep pit through various strata's beneath the 'Graves of the Kings' and discovered potsherds and vessels that had been turned on a potter's wheel. Then beneath this strata they struck a layer of pure clay that was 10ft deep and below that another strata of potsherds that were hand-made and clearly from a different era. Woolley telegrammed London with the words 'We have found the Flood'

[@GoreBruce]

Yes, Prof. Woolley's work is still considered 'ground breaking,' and Keller's book is worth it's weight in gold!

[@jonathanlechman]

❤ see my comments in the debate here.

[@chekovcall2286]

@7:06 I just remembered thst i meed to write down all of my contacts for wen my phone dies. (:

[@mvt28]

God. Sovereign. Providence. Peace. The world in sin, turmoil and confusion, but God…..rest in Him. The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the Lord. Proverbs 16:33 Wonderful presentation as always. Thank you Bruce.

[@GoreBruce]

Amen to that!

[@36summers]

Hi Great lecture. I was hoping that you or someone could help with the date setting though of the said tablets. I appreciate that any good study on the Taldots of Genisis and the written accounts of Genealogies in Genisis disprove this fairy tale, but anything on other facts that show the tablets couldn't have been written prior to Genisis ch 6?

[@WalterRMattfeld]

The Sumerian account of the great flood mentions 5 cities which succeeded each other in bearing rule over Sumer. The first is Eridu (modern Tell Abu Shahrein in Iraq). According to Sumerian myth it was the first city ever built. Excavations by archaeologists, to bedrock, determined it was settled circa 5000 BC and finally abandoned circa 500 BC. The last city (5th) is Shuruppak (modern Tell Fara, in Iraq), THEN THE FLOOD OVERWHELMS THE LAND (according to Sumerian myth). Shuruppak was excavated to bedrock by archaeologists in 1931, and found to have been in existence from circa 3000 BC to 2000 BC. At neither site, Eridu or Shuruppak, was there a flood sediment layer found circa 2340 BC of Noah's Flood. At Shuruppak was found one flood layer, of 18 inches of Euphrates river mud, circa 2900 BC. Conclusions: The Mesopotamian flood accounts were anchored in a flooding Euphrates river circa 2900 BC and confined to Shuruppak. The world's mountains were not engulfed in flood waters as claimed in the Gilgamesh account (1800 BC). Archaeologists excavated ancient Jericho, near the Dead Sea, to bed rock, and discovered it had been founded in the Neolithic period (New Stone Age) circa 9500 BC. It was abandoned circa 580 BC upon its destruction by the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar. When Israel returned after the Babylonian Exile (circa 539 BC), they built a new Jericho on virgin land nearby, not atop the ancient city. The excavators found no evidence of Noah's Flood at Jericho. They should have, if the account was true of a world wide flood covering mountains for Jericho lies below sea level, so there is no excuse for its not being overwhelmed by Noah's flood sediments. No flood evidence at Jericho (9,500 BC to 589 BC) means Noah's flood is a myth. The Bible is a myth, so too, its God, and Jesus, who accepted the flood, is not the son of God, and Mohammed, who also believed in the Flood, is also a fraud.

[@gilgameshtheimmortal369]

It does seem to me that the epic of gilgamesh is a sort of blueprint for later religions in the area, you can see the story of noah' flood in gilgamesh the story of nebuchadnezzar' tower and reach for god like status (immortality) and even the story of christ with gilgamesh staying up for 7 days and 7 nights to receive visions (which he failed at in the story as he slept every night lol)

[@rickden8362]

There was no mention that there was no flood story history in Jewish ''biblical'' history before the Babylonian captivity, it only pops up afterward.🤔

[@lonw.7016]

There's good old Nimrod!!

[@rosesacks7430]

nimrod, always thought that was a made up name 🤣

[@BarqB]

The timing is probably off if you move the biblical acct back and Gilgamesh acct forward you probably have the same timing. The ark of the bible is different ark than that of Gilgamesh acct and is where we get the giants (Nephilim) coming through the flood as the fallen ones or foreign gods were still privy to the council of el and knew it was coming. They copied the instructions given to Noah and built an ark so the bloodline of the serpent would make it through the deluge. Noahs ark rests in southern turkey in the foothills of Ararat range and the Ark of Gilgamesh story probably is the one that elite are most interested in and most likely the one on Mt Ararat proper. The one they make all the movies and tv shows about.

[@kevinpicur7739]

Interesting

[@MisterN0b0dy]

Wasn’t the ‘boat’ in the Epic of Gilgamesh a 200 foot square cube with six levels? That was my understanding, which is just a little different from the description of Noah’s ark, which has been proven to be a seaworthy design.

[@GoreBruce]

Oh, yes, there are many differences. This is another argument that neither copied from the other!

[@MisterN0b0dy]

@@GoreBruce I certainly know which design of craft I’d prefer to survive a global flood in! 😊 Obviously, the mainstream narrative is that the Gilgamesh story predates the Genesis account, ergo the latter borrowed from the former, but I wonder if you’ve come across the work of Hermann Vollrath Hilprecht, Professor of Assyriology at Pennsylvania University between 1886 and 1910? Between 1889 and 1900, the university conducted four seasons of digs at the ancient Babylonian city of Nippur, where Hilprecht unearthed a large fragment dating from about 2200 BC; earlier than the earliest possible date proposed for the Gilgamesh epic. Unlike the Epic of Gilgamesh, the tablet discovered by Hilprecht was monotheistic, rational and did not depart from the Genesis account in even the smallest detail; it didn’t contain any of the pagan babble found throughout the Gilgamesh writings, or even its rival, the Atra-hasis epic. I’m not aware his work has ever been successfully refuted, so it’s just been ignored instead?

[@hamish001]

@@GoreBruce Hi, from what source then did the author of Genesis get the details of their version of the flood story if it wasn’t influenced or informed by the ubiquitous, preexisting ones which Abraham and his descendants would’ve been well acquainted with?

[@GoreBruce]

Moses' account probably came down from oral tradition, and was offered in part as a critique of the pagan myths from Mesopotamia.

[@kevinpicur7739]

Agree😊

[@hinong218]

Noah living till 950 yo would appear to be immortal to 120 yo post flood.

[@alanthiercelin5218]

How can Noah fit 2 Million species in a boat? Plus all the poopoo to throw overboard.

[@fomalhauto]

and animals from other continents like penguins in Antarctica

[@Bookworm-ye9qi]

Poo poo

[@whitepunksvevo1343]

if you actually read the Bible it does not say species of animals, it says "Kinds" In other words you would only need two dog, not every specie. Plus there are not 2 million kinds of "land animals" A whole lot less. Also he didnt need any aquatic animals for obvious reasons.

[@Bookworm-ye9qi]

@@whitepunksvevo1343 Non believers don't read the Bible. They cherry pick soundbites and verses instead

[@whitepunksvevo1343]

@@Bookworm-ye9qi Haha..I like your honesty.

[@natew.455]

Is there anything from history not in the British Museum? 😒 I’ve heard many people sought out Noah after the flood. It makes sense seeing he was still kicking around the times of Abraham.

[@charliehutch3533]

jj The region of Sumer was long thought to have been first inhabited around 4500 BCE. This date has been contested in recent years, however, and it now thought that human activity in the area began much earlier The city of Uruk is held to be the first true city in the world. The cities in that area were founded, at least as villages, much earlier than c. 5000 BCE. After the Ubaid Period (c. 5000-4100 BCE) came the Uruk Period (4100-2900 BCE) in which cities began to emerge across the landscape and the city of Uruk rose in prominence. Though the period is named for the `first city’ of Uruk, Eridu was considered the first city by the Sumerians themselves, source: Kramer.

[@Hecatonicosachoron]

Çatalhöyük has activity and a settlement from the 8th millennium BCE. Arguably earlier than Uruk in the 5th millennium BCE.

[@Mr72Dolphins]

He skipped the whole Garden of Eden chapter after the flood story.

[@okshadowbannedjet7981]

the name of the lecture is: Noah's Flood and the Epic of Gilgamesh ;-)

[@Joshua-dc1bs]

@GordoScarface lol

[@danielaweber8491]

It's just matching with this catastrophie now (around 36.00) ppl try to explain but at least god has everything in his hand.

[@free_gold4467]

It's good that you encourage Christians to read stuff like 'the epic of Gilgamesh'.

[@nebraskasandhills4635]

we have been living in a fallen world since the Fall in Eden, we are lost sinners that need a Savior, His Name is Jesus

[@enki9243]

Irving Finkel already discussed this. The epic of the flood was already pre Biblical mythology. Biblical mythology expands on the epic with folktale of "Noah". Keep in mind that "Tevah" from Genesis means to be "startled or alarmed" and does not mean "ark" as the Bible would have you believe. Tevah is a loan word, check strong's concordance.

[@lahaina4791]

All tribes knew about the Flood, it was the most famous account on earth. Moses account in Genesis was the accurate version of this historical event.

[@whatWJDo]

Excellent

[@bernardmauge8613]

This is aliterally

[@RKarmaKill]

My hamster's name is Gilgamesh...and he hates water! Go figure

[@halloransusan1842]

haha

[@claire3gen710]

Just thinking, is it possible there were actually two floods?

[@brucedressel8873]

No jenius.

[@JRRodriguez-nu7po]

The great flood myths are also in the Americas.