3 Reasons NOT to Buy The Triumph Scrambler 400x

In this video I go through 3 major reasons you should NOT buy Triumphs new Scrambler 400x. It's a great bike, but not all it's cracked up to be.

[@Activeowl87]

I can see why you are being unhappy for Triumph to call the 400x a scrambler. Because 900 is double the price and it is a premium bike. But lets talk about practicality rather than just looks. 900 scrambler isn’t really a true scrambler when you compare it with other brands on the market like the Ducati or the Fantic. They have got longer suspension travel, higher ground clearance and they are even much lighter (150-180kilos). Lets see if the 400x fits in this category or not. Scrambler 400x: Higher ground clearance: 196mm ✅ Longer suspension travel: 150mm front and 150mm rear ✅ Seat height: 835mm ✅ Weight: 179kg wet ✅ Scrambler 900: Ground clearance: 157mm ❌ Suspension travel:120mm front and rear ❌ Seat height: 790mm ❌ Weight: 223kg wet ❌ 400x might not be as good as a dirt bike but it sure can tackle different terrains without a problem. You can go places on the 400x. You can only make it to the local cafe on your 900 ☕️ **I am not a Triumph owner**

[@adaptableadventurerider]

Just stumbled on your channel love the vibe and absolutely brilliant video that was my thoughts after looking at one in person in currently looking at the 900’s myself :) mainly ride older Nortons from 1927-67 on my other channel so always interesting. I ended up having to reject 2x 390s and a 411 full of issues so really fancying a 900 at the moment :) hope you are having a great time with the Scrambler.

[@Dailycozwerks]

Thanks for watching and the kind words. Glad you enjoyed. I am absolutely loving the 900. It's a great motor in a nice light feeling package.

[@frankpinion4937]

its too early for after market parts. Need to give it at least 1 year.

[@andysever]

I own a 400X and love it so admittedly I am biased but I have also been on many other bikes and cannot think of any that even come close to the 400x at its price point. You mentioned fit and finish issues but never provided any specific criticism. Yes the thumb controls are not top of the line but they work well. Shocks, brakes etc are not top of the line but they are all good quality...at this price point you are not going to get top of the line. Accessories - are always hard to get for a new model (I am still waiting for several) but they are coming out. Expectations - walking into aToyota dealership expecting a Porsche maybe a bit unreasonable - both can be great cars you just have to know what you are getting. Same can be said comparing a 400x to bikes that are significantly higher priced or have a different mission profiles. If the 400x meets your use profile you will be hard pressed to find a better bike in my opinion.

[@Dailycozwerks]

I respect your points, but it's not walking into Toyota dealership and expecting a Porsche. It's walking into a Triumph dealership and expecting a Triumph... They are a boutique brand that should reflect that on all of their products. Otherwise, the same 5k can take you really far in a Honda dealership. I think they would have better served their core customer base by releasing this bike at 6.5k and making it a bit nicer. Much like KTM does with their 400 class bikes. I do think its a great bike, but based on the 6 Triumphs, I've owned as well as literally 115 motorcycles I've purchased at this point (I keep a running list) This is a step backwards in progression for the brand. The 660s as their entry point was a better representation of the Triumph name.

[@leeinwis]

crf300l rally ?

[@pali3xx340]

I´m not the youngest biker and I´m still something like beginner... I have own 3 motorbikes... Last month I tried Scrambler 400X and it´s great bike for me - light, nimble, powerful enough (for me), relatively cheap... What I love is, that It has almost no plastic parts - I love it. So bikes like KTM, BMW are out of my choice (full of plastic). I love Scrambler 400X. I need nice and good bike / "toy". Actually - it´s really not a fair comparison - Scrambler 400X and 2x more expencive "big" scrambler. I want bike for 6000 and I don´t expect fom it to be on same quality level as bike for twice a money. I want new bike, not very powerful, nice, great... And I´m not willing to spend my money for 12 000+ motorbike (and I dont want usen bike anymore). I have family, another hobbies... to spend my money ;) But - your money, your motorbike, your decision ;) All of us are different people. Have a great joy with your bike ;)

[@chrro466]

@@DailycozwerksI’m not sure what your expectations are on a “budget” bike, this is hands down a fantastic machine for the price the first finish and quality is exemplary. If you think that the 900 scrambler is more than twice the price of the 400x then the 900 is a rip off. Basic suspension old school lighting and the fit and finish is Definately not twice the price of the 400. I’ve ridden both and the 400x is a supermotard compared to the 900. I also use a bike as they are intended to be used not to glittery accessorise and run to cafes and back. Get it dirty , drop it, wheelie it and have fun with it!! 40hp in a chassis like this is all a real rider needs and you can utilise all of its power !! Well actually 90%of riders don’t use a fraction of their bikes power, handling or braking capabilities yet they feel the need to want to upgrade, it’s all a marketing scam and you’re hooked landed and gutted. 🤙🏼🤙🏼

[@Beer_goggles]

Not sure what you were expecting for 5k even though you said it's good for the price of 5k...it's like you already knew before you rode it that you wouldn't get one because of what you get for a 5k bike, even though this 5k bike gives you a better bike than other 5k bike competitors.... Yep I'm confused too lol

[@Dailycozwerks]

I specifically said in the video that I decided not to buy it before ever riding it. My ride on it was after already choosing a different bike. The test ride just confirmed I made the right decision. If you look at it directly next to bikes like the Trident, the extra 3k spread over the average buyers 5-year loan starts to look well worth it from a quality for money perspective. Also, keep in mind I have owned a half dozen mini motos at this point. I am no stranger to cheap bikes, but even a $3800 Super Cub feels nicer and higher spec.

[@Sunesen]

I downgraded from a 150 hp sports-tourer to the Triumph 400X and it just fits me so well. Characterful engine, fun acceleration, good ergonomics, runs on practically no gas and super cheap. Even if I end up getting a bigger bike again, I think I'm gonna keep the Triumph on the side because its just such a nice, cheap ride.

[@FixItHandle]

I came from a 2012 Street Triple R, had 2 sportsters and a 96" Dyna before that, love my 400x over all of them. Lots of light to medium off-road near me and it does great.

[@donniecohrt3655]

Wow…Hard to believe you couldn’t find parts…I just got the scrambler 400x and ordered pretty much every accessory they have for it and got everything in a week. Also changed out the front sprocket to a 15 and the power delivery is much better. I think it’s one of the hottest bikes out right now.

[@pali3xx340]

By the way - Scrambler 400X is a new bike. There will be even much more aftermarket parts in short time. This is a bike for people in all world around. So it will be sold in big amount = the more sold bikes / more owners = the bigger market with different parts. Scrambler 400X is on its beginning ;) I sold my BMW F650GS Dakar and I´m going to buy Triumph Scrambler 400X - for me is 400X better bike. I felt MUCH MORE happy while riding it.

[@udmbfckx2916]

1) The fit and finish is as good as any bike in this range. 2) Just 3 months later, a lot of Indian companies are exporting accessories. Zana comes to mind. Even ebay has specific parts and some of the Amazon parts unofficially fit in. You have to give it time. Its a NEW Bike. 3) As someone who is getting older and had its past share of faster bikes (750 cc crotch rocket, SV650, etc), I do not want to ride faster than 80 (true GPS) MPH on the highway. This bikes "suffer" from the 14t front sprocket made for the off-roading crowd. Going to 15t (as installed in the Speed) makes it more pleasant and reduces the 75 MPH cruising speed by about almost 500 rpms. This bike is SUPER COMFORTABLE in stock form for someone who is 5'11" and rides solo. It is also the BEST one at the price (this side of a cruiser) that can carry a small to medium female passenger. The Triumph Scrambler 400X is UNIQUE in the following ways: It is the Scrambler that Kawasaki could have built with their current platforms of what they call "500" (actually 450+cc in their Ninja - Super Sport, Z500 - Naked, Eliminator...) I would have used the torquier engine version of their Eliminator cruiser and voila, it would have completed the whole spectrum and made it a nice bridge to their KLX300 and KLX300SM bikes. Heck it might even have qualified it for power as far as your criteria.

[@udmbfckx2916]

UPDATE: This Scrambler has ONLY 5mm less clearance than the KTM 390 Adventure. That's about 0.2 inches less! Honda's NX500 and SCL500 Scrambler can only dream.....SO yes, you could also mini-adventure (no single tracks, jumps or vertical climbs) and, as the KTM is the yardstick, it will be easier to handle and pickup than the heavyweight adventurers.

[@ahmedawad563]

You're right on all points. I bought the Scrambler 400 x two weeks ago, and have done my first 1k on it . I love it, but I am a brand new rider, and this is my first bike. So something that is more powerful would be a bit scary for me at this early point in my riding journey, as I am still finessing my throttle control and learning basic riding skills. But even with that, the very short 1st and 2nd gears were instantly noticeable for me. I stopped using 1st gear after a couple of days, as I found that in intersections or light stops, it is very short to the point that if I am first in line and wanted to be a little quick off the line to reach the other "safe" side of the intersection, I had to change gears before even reaching the middle of the intersection, and that's a bit dangerous for someone like me who is still slow with changing gears, and sometimes make mistakes. So I stopped using 1st gear altogether, and now 2nd gear is my new 1st. Also noticed that the bike is perfect for in-city riding where you're always between 50-60 Km/hr. (this is Canada). I tried it on the highway though, and after 80 or 90 Km/hr. (55 miles/hr.), the experience becomes unpleasant. I am not sure if it is the vibrations from the single cylinder, or the lack of wind protection or a combination of both. So for me, this bike is a great first bike for someone to learn on, without being intimidated. Or a great second bike for an experienced rider who is looking for a chill bike around town. It is lightweight, and it looks gorgeous. People turn their heads everywhere I go. Thanks for the review.

[@Dailycozwerks]

Thanks for watching! I appreciate your insight and perspective. Congrats on getting a pretty cool first bike! My first bike was a Yamaha Vino, so you win for sure!

[@cpuuk]

I think if you had seen the new RE Himalayan 450 (your picture is the old REH 400), this conversation might have gone in a different direction. Thanks for cluing us in on the 400X decision.

[@Dailycozwerks]

I am excited to try it out. Hopefully, they start popping up in our dealerships soonish. Thanks for watching!

[@Aztek_scrambler]

Its going to be the same, new bike, hard to find aftermarket parts

[@beamerstearoom5657]

You have not given the independent fabricators time. It’s been 4 months since you made this. I had a pre-order scrambler and with in the last couple months, all the sudden you can choose 2 different full exhaust with cat delete, and 4 different slip on exhaust. You can’t expect a new model to automatically have a bunch of aftermarket. Manufacturers do a modest selection of stuff. Aside from the bits from Triumph (seat upgrade, engine guards upper & lower and luggage rack) I have fitted a ADV - Amazon FATECIM 15.5" Clear Universal with 7/8" or 1" Handlebars - ordered an Omega slip-on, and some foam grip sleeves. E-Bay. ( I find stock grips a little too small) You just have to be able to adapt things to your needs.

[@tonsofbees537]

I was considering getting a 400x. came up with the same things you did. For insurance i was quoted over 1k a year. i went with a scram 1200 xe. thanks for the video!

[@Dailycozwerks]

The XE is super nice! Thanks for watching, and congrats on the new bike.

[@malakandar]

What do you mean when you say Triumph scrambler 400x is better equipped than Royal Enfield? (3:50) What are the differences in equipment?

[@ANIK5261]

Better equipped than scram 411😂😂😂😂 bs . My bro had just too much expectations from scrambler that's it....

[@souravmohanta-k6f]

Great points , The scram 400x is a 1st generation motorcycle ,for a group of people who wanted a lower bar of entry , where they wanted to try the brand and then they have a lot of option up the ladder . BTW there are a lot of after market parts available in india or other asian markets , and the new himalayan 450 has all the same negatives you mentioned , quality , aftermarket etc . Having ridden the 1200x , I could definitely say you got a lot of performance that a sub 500 cc would never be able to give you .

[@pali3xx340]

Scrambler 400X is not only for beginners, but also for people, who don´t need a lot of power. I am 40++++ :) and I want a bike for relaxing... BIG bikes are heavy, too powerful (let´s say scary), expensive... Scrambler 400X is powerful enough (in comparision to for example Royal Enfield HNTR 350), its "full size" bike and mainly VERY NICE ;) Some of us are not able to fully use big and strong bikes ;)

[@levamarco]

Hai provato la 400x DOPO il rodaggio?

[@alexc2505]

How is this bike $5000 in the US but £5600 sterling UK ???????

[@Model192]

Congrats on getting the 900. I just got mine this past weekend! What a great all-around bike, and the torque is awesome.

[@Dailycozwerks]

Nice! Look at us twinning! I am loving the bike so far. I plan to make a lot of videos on it. Thanks for watching!

[@Aztek_scrambler]

I own a 400x, I was about to go full keyboard worrior just for the title of the video, jeje but for you indeed this was not the bike for you, I also want to modify the bike and I cant find anything but I love it the way it is now, so it doesn't bother me to wait a bit, also i got my little chinese 250cc bike that I'm going to convert into a cafe racer!, great video, Sub!

[@Dailycozwerks]

Thanks for watching! I appreciate the support. I'm glad you are digging the 400x. Hopefully, they get some good parts rolling out soon for ya.

[@pali3xx340]

You are rait - the point is "...this was not the bike for you..." = too big expectations from a bike for this price. For person who has "right" expectations - Scrambler 400X is a great bike ;) It´s not common, to want 400X and buy Scrambler 900 = they are different "worlds" ;)

[@silviobiasotto7069]

A 660 scrambler would be nice

[@Dailycozwerks]

Now you're talking! Yes!

[@Headsavvy]

I just bought one and noticed the fan to keep the engine cool activates frequently and is also significantly noisy. I was surprised by this as nobody mentioned it in the countless reviews that I watched. Does anyone else notice this and is it bothersome for you?

[@Dailycozwerks]

That is a thing with all of the Triumph modern classics actually. They are tuned to turn the fan on fairly early just to keep the engine as safe as possible and the fan definitely aren't the quietest. You eventually learn to tune it out though.

[@davidholt4216]

I just bought one today to use as a fun second bike (have a BMW GS as primary). We'll see how it goes.

[@Dailycozwerks]

Hopefully it works out well for you! What made you decide on it versus the baby GS?

[@davidholt4216]

I just had my heart set on A triumph scrambler for putzing around locally. When the thought process began, I was considering selling my GS and getting the 1200XE or 900. I couldn't bear parting with the GS quite yet, so I thought the $6k 400 was a decent compromise. The price leaves a lot of room in the budget for accessories and aftermarket stuff...when available. I'm in no rush. The stores around here can't keep them in stock. The one I bought just came in yesterday.

[@pali3xx340]

@@davidholt4216 I hope you won´t end up selling your BMW GS... I sold my BMW F650GS Dakar few days ago. I owned it 2 years... I found out, that some parts are VERY expensive - for that old bike. So I want a new bike (possibly very simple) and Scrambler 400X seems to be very good for me (I tried it short time ago). I need a bike, which I will love to watch too ;)

[@swami2727]

It's a beautiful machine..❤ got it in india. Super smooth, quick throttle resp., nimbleness at its best. Full of twisties and curves very esy. Scrambler 400x. Its better for it's price.

[@landonfolken03]

I would hope people looking to buy one of these know all of this beforehand. They are being produced out of Bajaj so the quality absolutely wasn't going to be the same, it's a brand new model globally so there aren't going to be many accessories yet though there definitely some out now and how much power it has. Not entirely sure what you were hoping to get out of this bike I guess. Now that being said, as an owner some things that people really need to be aware of right now: 1. You have to wait for it to cycle when you turn it on. People are having issues with the ECU in regards to that. 2. Mine has randomly died on me at lower speeds/RPMs MANY times. Sometimes it struggles to restart. Not great when you're in traffic. 3. It has issues shifting. Mine has multiple times not wanted to get into gear both upshifting and downshifting. Again not great in traffic. Others are having those issues as well. I really wanted to like this bike more. Overall it's still absolutely a fun bike. Super nimble and quick for a 400 single and looks great but I'm already looking into trading it. Sadly I have some Evotech parts arriving tomorrow too.

[@pali3xx340]

I did a testride on 400X and it was absolutely great. Shifting was fine and great. I´m used to gearbox from BMW F650GS Dakar - and it´s very tough compared to 400X :). Sometimes there is need to rew engine before shifting ;) After all - Scrambler 400X is a new bike - so it needs time to be perfect (it´s normal, that new products are not perfect. It´s good to wait a year and then buy)

[@KirkVarley]

The bike is great quality for the price you pay!! All fuel injected bikes cycle for a few seconds before you start them. I have 6k miles on mine with out one problem, never stalled, no immobilizer issue, the clutch and transmission on this bike just might be the the smoothest and best tranny I’ve ever used, I have not missed one shift yet, I’ve been riding 45 years now! The only problem this bike has is new riders that don’t have a clue on riding motorcycles!! This bike is fun, light has great power and a total blast to ride!!! All for a great price. Also without question the best looking bike on the market!

[@fendermon]

I was quoted 7k (USD) for the speed,...7600 for the scrambler. Didn't buy so don't know if that let me load it in the truck.

[@logangodofcandy]

I ordered a tall touring screen (the tallest of 3) for my 1200xc and that was over a month ago and it hasn't shipped yet. Good thing I don't really need it, but parts can be hard to come by

[@vgahren]

It should called the Street 400😂 The parts are there to make a 400X out of a Speed.

[@detch5307]

I like your style. Rapid fire, know what you're talking about, explain things really well. I especially like the way you described the engine characteristics...first two gears too short, poor low-end torque, and have to get up to 6,000+ to feel the torque & power kick in. I hate this characteristic...kind of like the KTM 390. Thanks for the great explanation...I'm passing on the Triumph. I'm an old guy who doesn't have the strength any more to lug around and pick up huge adventure bikes. I'm looking for a lighter and capable bike in the 400-500cc niche that would be excellent in my big town and also good on the mountain dirt roads. Hoping for a Royal Enfield Scram 440 with tubeless alloy wheels. Any ideas for a bike that fits my needs?

[@Dailycozwerks]

Thanks for watching. I appreciate the kind words. Pending how comfortable you are with taller bikes I would look at the DRZ400 and Crf300 Rally they'll both outpower the Scram411, but ya can't really beat that Royal Enfield price or that low seat height.

[@husqvar34]

I will get the Speed 400 in blue. Can't wait ! Already ordered in southern France !

[@Dailycozwerks]

Congrats on the new bike, and thanks for watching!

[@leeinwis]

I was skeptical but you made good points , I myself even before this thought the handle bar controls seemed too big and ugly smooth/cheap looking .

[@Dailycozwerks]

Thanks for watching. I really appreciate it!

[@grundyman26]

can you wear shorts on the 900?

[@waynehabig5058]

Congrats on your Sc900! Looking forward to seeing what you do with it. I got mine a month ago, fell in ♥️ as soon as I got on it. Already done a bit.

[@Dailycozwerks]

Thanks! I am excited to get cracking on it. I have some cool ideas for it. Thanks for watching.

[@danrodbell3513]

genuinely appreciate the straight talking critiques you've made on the Triumph 400's. Some of the things you stated are not really a concern to me like the aftermarket parts, and your critique about soft low RPM torque is actually a positive for my confidence as a new rider about to take MSF. Compared to your video, just about every other influencer video is either pompom cheerleading these bikes or avoiding firm criticism. Some of your points do make me have a stronger consideration for the Speed 400 despite the aesthetic of the Scrambler 400x drawing me in.

[@Dailycozwerks]

Thanks for watching. I am genuinely shocked that more reviewers aren't mentioning the negatives. I would definitely suggest the Speed over the Scrambler. You could always add some aesthetic enhancements as they become available to better suit your tastes.

[@danrodbell3513]

​@@Dailycozwerks I like the capability of the scrambler around Louisiana because we do have our share of messy roads and some that aren't even paved. Adding radiator and stump guards plus throwing a set of Metzler Tourance shoes on the speed 400 will get me most of the way to that aesthetic

[@MotoDash1100]

4:33 Wait, I might've missed something, so which bike did you go with? Edit: nvm, I'm stoopids.

[@Dailycozwerks]

Scrambler 900. I just borrowed several other bikes from Triumph.

[@BoogieGrows]

i wish my head was round enough to shave bald

[@jdreign7210]

Well spoken and well said. Might make an MT07 scrambler or get a Tenere 700. Daily ride is an XSR700

[@Dailycozwerks]

Thanks for watching. I appreciate you. Orrrr Scrambler 900 👀. Jk, Tenere sounds sick.

[@pali3xx340]

Of course - both of them are more expensive. Non of them is a competitor for Scrambler X.

[@logangodofcandy]

Can't believe you didn't go for the 12. Then again,they did ditch the xc

[@Dailycozwerks]

Replying to both your comments in one here, but yeah, getting parts can be a nightmare. Hopefully, yours ships soon. I really like the 1200 motor and usability, but the 900s size appealed to me more since the majority of my miles will be on-road in the city. The Speed Twin 1200 was reeeeally tempting, though.

[@MotocaLitoral]

In Brazil, the CG 160(24k dol) with no ABS is almost the same price as the speed(29kdol), here there is no way to say that it is not worth the price. I actually prefer riding it. scrambler 1200x(100kdol) here costs 3.5x the value of the 400x Note: we cannot convert the currency, our minimum wage is the same as yours. Yes, here is BR 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@Dailycozwerks]

It is so much different in our market. It's a good value here, but there are definitely better values as well as bikes worth spending a little more on. Thanks for watching. I appreciate you and your comment.

[@KirkVarley]

I own one, I needed a buget bike. It’s a great bike, I understand the aftermarket concerns, but it’s a great bike fit and finish and power delivery is great! A simple gear change changes everything. You can compare a 400 power to big bore power.

[@pali3xx340]

The main thing is - what we expect from the bike. If I´m using BMW GS1200 or another GREAT and strong bike, I hardly can appreciate bike like Scrambler 400X I have found out, that 30 - 40 kW is absolutely enough for me, so I find Scrambler 400X GREAT (I tried it - and love it and I want it) ;)

[@diegodelsol1309]

Built in India for the Indian market. They're putting it out here to have SOMETHING in the sub-500 cc sector.

[@Dailycozwerks]

It is a really good first attempt honestly. I'm excited to see how it progresses. I bet the second generation will be top-notch.

[@regregor]

You talking about quality. What isn’t good about the quality off the 400 x?

[@Dailycozwerks]

​@regregor Overall, I think it's better than a lot of bikes at the same price point, but having owned 5 of them long term, it's not the typical Triumph quality. They clearly had to cut corners to come in at that price. The levers connection point was a bit flimsy. The exhaust heat shield and other assorted covers are thin and tin feeling, the hand controls are also much lower quality than normal. Paintwork however is still really nice. It's totally fair that they cut corners to meet the price, but I just want people to know what to expect.

[@Steven-bh3uk]

Seen the nose ring, clicking off.

[@Dailycozwerks]

Interesting that you pick your content based on how attractive you find other grown men Steven.....

[@stumpytkd1774]

I want I want I want!!!!!!! What did you expect it's a brand new model from the ground up its triumphs biggest seller and will win many awards it's a global hit and is amazing value for money I have the scrambler 400x I preferred the speed 400 ride but was to cramped for my height I don't regret my purchase the quality is very good I agree the 1st and 2nd gear are low but there is plenty enough power I thrash mine around all day I do plan to change the sprocket apparently the speed 400 fits I've just ordered after market parts from Thailand like you said triumph don't know when there parts are arriving there's also plenty out already in India where the bikes were launched 6 month or so back the bike is very economical remember its off road styled not a off roader it looks stunning all singles vibrate I have no issue cruising up to 120 km also there is no motorcycle in the world that can compete with it on value for money and branding

[@Dailycozwerks]

Glad you are enjoying it! I definitely think its right for many, just not right for me. I can relate on the Speed 400 feeling a bit more cramped. The Scrambler definitely fit me better. The big problem with lots of aftermarket coming out of India and Thailand is shipping to us folks in the US. Shipping will often cost 2-3 times the amount of the parts. We really need US or European distributors to make it financially viable.

[@nigelscott3046]

I was going to say that.....I want this, I want that, I want, I want.... Wait a year the market will be flooded with after market parts, it's gonna be a popular bike

[@ANIK5261]

You can use front sprocket from speed 400 or ktm duke or rc 390 15t does the job right (even 16t will do fine but for now I am fine with 15t)

[@longjonwhite]

Wait a year and see how many used ones are for sale.

[@brucegeange7082]

Suzuki SV650

[@jonathonsimmons2341]

Body in their right mind is going to take motorcycle advice from a dude that looks like this lmfao 🤣

[@Dailycozwerks]

Who is going to respect a comment from a guy with grammar as bad as yours, and possibly the dumbest possible way to spell Johnathan as their name? 😂 Punctuation exists "Jonathon". You should give it a try sometime.

[@miketran4289]

The Triumph 400's are made by Baja in India which is why the fit and finish is crap. They also make Duke 390's and other low ktm cc bikes.

[@fuglbird]

I remember Triumph in the sixties and seventies. The Indian made motorcycles are much better made.

[@longjonwhite]

@miketran. They are built in India exactly to Triumph’s specifications for that model. Just like the “real”, Triumphs are made in Thailand to their specifications. Yes, the 400 could be better, but it would cost more. It would not make it better just by moving production to another part of Asia.

[@davidmacgregor5193]

My BSA Gold Star 650 was made in India and it isn't crap, the Indians have built a stylish, quality modern retro BSA. The engine is a Rotax DOHC liquid cooled single with a four valve head, it has plenty of grunt and a pleasure to ride fast or slow.

[@pali3xx340]

Nowadays bikes from China are good roo - like CF moto. Thay are competitors for Honda... By the way - all testers appreciate the quality of Triumph 400 Speed / 400X ;)