3 songs that use the “5 7 8” Metalcore Riff

3 Songs that use the “5 7 8” metalcore riff, 578 refers to the frets/notes used to make this sort of sound with the heavy palm muting on the low E string, how many songs have you heard use a riff similar to these songs? A lot I’d bet,
First 2 songs are in Drop D tuning (DADGBE) and the 3rd is in Drop C (CGCFAD), and I’m using @stltones Tone Hub Plug In, with the Machine Preset “Walk In Hell Lead 2”, using a Scarlet 2i2 Interface by @wearefocusrite into GarageBand
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[@banatiansniper]

5-7-8 now is what 12-bar-blues was way back

[@briancasteel1193]

😂😂 truth

[@jayocaine2946]

nah, more like ii-V-I

[@Bkens023]

I love 5-7-8 core. Was the best era of Metalcore

[@drewccxvi]

It certainly was,

[@hclyrics]

I call for a revival.

[@Yah_Mean]

Damn right it was. 💯

[@thewlzr8658]

Still miss the Myspace-era mathcore

[@MercuryHg34]

@@thewlzr8658 Ever heard of Ultrageist? Check out their 2010 album for a hidden gem

[@n_o_n_t_u]

5 7 8 is like the metalcore version of 0 3 5

[@Fretboardmastermind]

5 7 8 is responsible for some melodic classics 🤘

[@mrhamburgler480]

honorable mention the first two As I Lay Dying albums 😅

[@jakeyoung661]

This reminded me how sick as blood runs black is

[@paul-emilefrancois3731]

Crazy how they were all inspired by Slaughter of the soul by at the gates

[@TheDrewjameson]

I was gonna say, this was very At the Gates ish!

[@d_byrd]

electric eye

[@dannycheesums]

I remember being so frustrated in the 00s by trying to tell people who had got into killswitch / trivium etc to check out at the gates and then being told nah I don’t really like old music

[@modernlifeisadam]

big fax. i couldnt get into this music for a little as a kid who had heard SOTS first and just heard modern metalcore as "at the gates worship" lol. stuff is obviously good on its own but yeah it's so heavily influenced that I literally couldn't unhear it as a 15 y/o

[@tshred666]

@@modernlifeisadamit’s funny because even as a kid I thought SOTS was overrated and that their previous records were better. My main gripe back then as it is now with most of the SOTS inspired bands is the over compressed production, and in the case of those a7x and trivium records, Matt’s vocals. They’re both good vocalists now but back then they were god awful

[@Yah_Mean]

5 7 8 core was king. *honorable mention 4 too tho

[@ProducingInTheBox]

Why is no one talking about the absolutely perfect execution of those pinch harmonics? 🤘🤯

[@psyghtseer]

Im partial to 3-5-6 core

[@noesunyoutuber7680]

Hell yeah, that's like the whole post-ETID Southern Rock/Metalcore thing.

[@BruceCopperfield]

Lamb of God

[@Yah_Mean]

He Is Legend, Maylene & The Sons of Disaster, A Life Once Lost, that was a great era in 3 5 6. 👌🏽

[@joshuabeauchamp4525]

I really thought this would include Rose of Sharyn and Through Struggle lol!

[@schoolgamer9592]

The 5-7-8 Core is Amazing. I Also Just Subbed

[@schoolgamer9592]

You Are Also Awesome 🤘

[@themightymcb7310]

I love that ABRB riff, that band was so good

[@DarkSydeSean1]

Eveb though the pattern is synonymous with metalcore, death metal pioneers, Death, were using that pattern in the late 1990s.

[@ObieCS2]

5-7-8 riffs are also a staple of melodic death metal, which metalcore takes influence from

[@happycat4838]

I have just called it the Spirit Crusher riff, I like when songs have that in them

[@triplej8666]

Judas were using it in 1982 and maiden

[@horrifyinggelatinousblob]

it's crazy how all of these riffs were invented in the 90's by Dark Tranquility and In Flames and hundreds of bands built careers essentially covering Swedish melodeth with better guitar tones.

[@serjaoguitarreiro2003]

All As I lay dying songs

[@user-wo6oj7wh7z]

You're Amazing 🙌

[@me4tgr1ndr]

I love all of those songs!

[@SpiritofPoison]

Knives and Pins Black Veil Brides

[@chupiconverge6034]

Cooool!!

[@joethesheep4675]

provided you are on a drop tuning (should be D here but works exactly the same for every drop tuning) what 5th, 7th and 8th fret on the A-string in conjunction with the open E-string (which is dropped so not an E but D for drop D and so on) amounts to is basic minor sound. The open string that gets played along is the keynote. The 5th fret on the A-string is the same note but an octave higher (thats standard metal; doulbing the keynote) and then you add in a major second and a minor third (which adds the minor sound). Another interesting note in this context is the note A which you find on the open A string and in case of a drop-d-tuning on the 7th fret of the E-string (which is dropped to D in open). A is so interesting cause that is the fifth in the key of D minor and is basically interchangeable with the keynote and is typical for metal. And ofc you play that a lot too in these songs. So yeah. Pretty common.Basically every metal song thats ever written similar i would say. edit: obviously there is a lot you can change musictheorywise. Like, for example swap the major second for a minor second (play 6th fret A-string isntead of 7th fret). That would move the sound from basic minor to phrygian which sounds totally weird (but awesome in my opinion).

[@sweetypuss]

nobody is reading all of that

[@Yah_Mean]

Autism

[@PRR-ny6eq]

Someone who knows what they’re talking about doesn’t use words like ‘keynote’. Do you know about keys in songs? You could’ve cut your wall of text in half

[@joethesheep4675]

@@PRR-ny6eq i am not an english native and had to use a dictionary for this.

[@levpor89]

Take it easy, Beato

[@Rayman120]

This applies to the entire Unhallowed album from TBDM!

[@Magdalena8008s]

"At the Gates" core.

[@piercestormmusic7708]

The 5-7-8 riff is a very specific thing and a little deviation is okay but not every melodic death metal riff is a 5-7-8 riff. Songs that use that riff specifically are Unholy Confessions like you mentioned, Attack Attack's What Happens If I Can't Check My Myspace When We Get There, Asking Alexandria's Not The American Average, Chiodos' There's No Penguins In Alaska and many more that have that same melodic motif.

[@DrSuess360]

Awesome bro!!! Also, Savoir Saint Salvation by Bleeding Through. Which also has Matt from Avenged on it too. 👍

[@BlazonStone]

Judas Priest - Electric Eye

[@meltingautumn867]

I never noticed the pattern in unholy confessions until now

[@6idangle]

Yea same string skipped riff all of the melodic bands used. Darkest hour used it, and so did pretty much every metal core act doing melodic stuff.

[@triplej8666]

unholy was the one that made it popular, or atleast is the most popular out of them

[@alexgalloway9310]

Hell yea as blood runs black!

[@BodaciousWickerman]

The good old days man!

[@shawndefiore]

Boundaries is somewhat bringing this style of metalcore back with a hardcore punch to it and I love it so much

[@ApCommunityRock]

good good !!!!!!!!

[@redlober9982]

all of these songs are part of my childhood, damn

[@christianstojgtr]

chuck invented it 🎉

[@clarkcrichton]

which chuck. shuldiner?

[@d_byrd]

listen to judas priest

[@christianstojgtr]

yeah but chuck made it happen in a more extreme sense that inspired the metalcore shit@@d_byrd

[@christianstojgtr]

yes@@clarkcrichton

[@faust8218]

No, more like Swedish Melodeath. At The Gates - Slaughter of the Soul (the album) is the obvious source. Even though it's just a basic minor shape, but that definitely inspired the later metalcore stuff the most.

[@ethan_loves_emma]

rose of sharyn by killswitch engage comes to mind

[@naoki-tanaka]

very famous songs

[@TokyoNightGirl-fk4cn]

Wow💗💗💗💙💗💙💙

[@Kevly_]

Not the American Average by Asking Alexandria and What Happens If I Can’t Check My MySpace When We Get There by Attack Attack! are also another two that are near identical

[@glitchyrhythm6749]

Every as I lay dying song from before 2010 lol

[@seanbrown6904]

5 7 8 taught me guitar

[@mentox6592]

This is still the kind of music I write 😅

[@preythefox]

Like Light to the Flies is one of the best in history.

[@nvjohansson9741]

I named my son 5 7 8

[@latentthreat.]

melodic black metal is also based on this sequence

[@zonadogt]

i was thinking all metalcore songs use 578

[@firdauszainudin7118]

No Old Bullet For My Valentine & Joneswitch Engaged, no subscribe

[@LaVidaDelRoba]

There are way to many, here comes the kraken, chiodos, asking, etc

[@keithedeadlierreaper5661]

Bring Da Muthafuking Ruckus

[@TPD]

king for a day?

[@BRPDProductions]

I HAVE THAT EXACT SAME GUITAR WTF

[@jarrett4154]

bring back core bands that use 5-7-8 riffs!

[@DrSuess360]

Where you live?? How about we start a band and just do it ourselves. 😂

[@tylerhand6759]

Phinehas - I Am The Lion

[@EnigmaticAnamoly]

Silent Night Bodom Night?

[@AustinBrake98]

Well, it is the minor scale pattern. A lot of metal uses it, not just metalcore.

[@adityag9199]

Me when 5 7 8: 🥰🥰🥰🥰

[@dgkallday9]

Boneyards

[@dennismetzger9287]

Trivium? Banned...

[@venrakdrake]

Real lads know about 7 9 10 (C standard supremacy)

[@fromthecrypts]

Extremely basic music theory got people like 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@Spaaanky]

Make me feel 14 again haha

[@JeremiahDaniel1995]

What about 8 7 5 lol

[@rahafjabari5656]

how do you get this tone bro please help a brother out 🙏🙏🙏

[@the_BattleGoose]

ABRB did it the best. Ill happily die on this hill.

[@mega_jonne1546]

5-7-8 is from the 70s

[@omertito4223]

i actually never noticed that

[@ghhdgjjfjjggj]

Can someone help me understand what 578 means? I'm not a musician

[@DrSuess360]

Fifth fret, Seventh fret and eighth fret of the guitar. Usually the A string.

[@ghhdgjjfjjggj]

@@DrSuess360 thanks

[@jturquoise]

Damn dude You’ve got all the boxes checked ✅. lol Great playing though. You could use a Phenomena and Tenebrae poster though. Argento would be disappointed.

[@sparechainge]

Only metal core I know how to really play lol

[@mojolito]

would sound better if you panned the guitars left and right

[@whahappend8222]

Lol kinda says it all the stereotypical metalcore riff was something that was already a decade overplayed by the time it trickled down to core.

[@Hugo-Glatzos1980]

Metalcore😂😂😂

[@drummerdude476]

It’s just the minor scale lol

[@gabriellangston3175]

Too bad guitarist don't know music theory. Natural minor. It can be in a key that sits well with the open strings of a guitar in that position. Case closed. Its not inherently "5,7,8". Try a different tuning and see where you find yourself.

[@Hdhdjdudh-fv5jk]

Jesus loves you all, stay safe out there and stay strong.

[@vanya65]

Its the reason i dislike mid 2000s metalcore. 90% of them used this. They are the cookie cutter 80s glam of 2000s metal

[@Hohlopidor]

👍