3 Types of Satire Every Storyteller Should Know - Horatian vs. Juvenalian vs. Menippean Satire

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The history and types of satire including Horatian satire, Juvenalian satire, and Menippean satire.
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro: The 3 Types of Satire
03:03 Origins of Satire
03:47 Horatian Satire: Light in Tone & Milder Critiques
07:40 Juvenalian Satire: Dark in Tone & Harsher Critiques
11:30 Menippean Satire: Targeting Morals & Beliefs
15:05 Satire Example: 3 Steps for Creating Satire
What is satire? It's easy to throw out a quick satire definition, but many people don’t truly understand the origins of satire or the characteristics of satire. In fact, there are three types of satire, each with their own approach, targets, and goals. In this explainer, we’ll take it back to Ancient Greece and Rome to see the origin of satire and how it branched out into Horatian satire, Juvenalian satire, and Menippean satire.
In general, we can define satire as a storytelling genre that mocks, ridicules, and criticizes perceived wrongs in our society and belief systems. Therefore, one of the main functions of satire is to inspire change intended to “right these wrongs.” The method with which each writer or filmmaker uses satire to achieve that change varies between the three main types of satire. So, where can we use satire? Let’s jump into some of the most popular satirical examples in film history that answer that question.
Our first and one of the most popular types of satire comes from Horace (65 BC - 8 BC), a Roman writer known for playfully mocking leading figures of his day in his work. Horatian satire is usually comedic in tone and the critique can be mild - it’s more of a playful mockery than an abrasive condemnation. In our video, we chose Stanley Kubrick’s Dr. Strangelove as one of the best satirical examples in the Horatian mode. The film takes aim at the absurdity of nuclear brinkmanship and the cartoonish leaders responsible for it.
Next, we have Juvenalian satire, which is one of the more darker and antagonistic kinds of satire. Named for the caustic Roman writer Juvenal (1st Century AD - 2nd Century AD), this mode of satire is light on comedy and much more pointed in its criticism of social institutions like government, politicians, and class structures. A fantastic modern example of Juvenalian satire is Bong Joon-ho’s Parasite - which tackles capitalism and the way it forces both the rich and poor to act like parasites.
Finally, we’ll look at Menippean satire, which can vary wildly in tone but focuses its critiques on mental attitudes and belief systems such as racism and religion. This satiric mode of storytelling is named after Menippus (3rd Century BC) even though all of his own writings are lost to time - all we have are other contemporaneous writers discussing his work. We chose Taika Waititi’s Jojo Rabbit as our main example of Menippean satire because it turns a very serious and dangerous historical movement (Nazi Germany) into something completely absurd.
No matter the social institution or belief system you feel needs changing, one of these main types of satire can be the ideal vehicle to deliver your message and bring change to the world.
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"Fairydust" - Eagle Lake
"144" - Live Footage
"Tiki Beach" - King Flamingo
"Any Other Name" - Thomas Newman
"Relaxing Roman Music" - Aetas Romana
"Ancient Greek Music" - The Lyre of Classical Antiquity...
"Spietati, io vi giurai" - Handel: Rodelinda / Act 2
"America F*** Yeah" - Team America
"Bomb Run" - Dr. Strangelove… Music From the Films of Stanley Kubrick
"She Calls" - District 9 OST
"Medula Oblongata" - The Dust Brothers
"What is Fight Club" - The Dust Brothers
"Back to D9" - District 9 OST
"Opening" - Parasite OST
"Zappaguri" - Parasite OST
"Ending" - Parasite OST
"Jojo's March" - Jojo Rabbit OST
"I Don't Wanna Grow Up" - Tom Waits
"Komm Gib Mir Deine Hand" - Jojo Rabbit OST
"Eye of the Tiger (String Quartet Version)" - Jojo Rabbit OST
"Corporate World" - The Dust Brothers
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@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
Chapters: 00:00 Intro: The 3 Types of Satire 03:03 Origins of Satire 03:47 Horatian Satire: Light in Tone & Milder Critiques 07:40 Juvenalian Satire: Dark in Tone & Harsher Critiques 11:30 Menippean Satire: Targeting Morals & Beliefs 15:05 Satire Example: 3 Steps for Creating Satire
@jonathansnagel
@jonathansnagel 2 жыл бұрын
I love this video! Thanks for sharing it. Question: what is a good book about how film is broken down like this? I’m starting to think through all the subgenres in various categories and would love to know where to learn more about these various forms.
@candide1065
@candide1065 2 жыл бұрын
Btw, I didn't get the part about fight club and "tOxIc MasCuLiNiTY" - can some non-toxic, non-binary Poc from Studio Binder explain that to me? :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
@Nic7320
@Nic7320 Жыл бұрын
Can you post a Table of Contents for the movie clips?
@alozie__
@alozie__ Жыл бұрын
@@Nic7320 seconded
@Mavrik9000
@Mavrik9000 Жыл бұрын
@@Nic7320 The film titles are on the bottom left of the screen while they are shown.
@virakchhang
@virakchhang 2 жыл бұрын
You can show a girl get stabbed and kids hung but you have to blur out a middle finger to conform to youtube guidelines... On a video about satire. Brilliant.
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
We should make a video on the different types of irony 🧐
@mr.b6789
@mr.b6789 2 жыл бұрын
@@StudioBinder Yes, that will be fun! 👍😏
@callmefox630
@callmefox630 2 жыл бұрын
I felt like the Censoring kind of added to the "American-ness" thought
@tryyoncemore383
@tryyoncemore383 2 жыл бұрын
@@StudioBinder Please do! 😃
@maddieb5787
@maddieb5787 Жыл бұрын
@@StudioBinder Wow y'all actually went and made s video on irony!! I'm watching it next!!
@CSXIV
@CSXIV 2 жыл бұрын
Another fact about the war room: the table is covered in green felt, like you'd find on a pool or gambling table, emphasizing that the whole thing is either a game or a gamble. Yes, the movie is in black and white. Yes, the audience can't actually see the green felt. Yes, Kubrick specifically requested a green felt table in a movie that he intended to shoot in black and white, knowing full well that the audience would never actually appreciate that little touch. But-the actors knew it was green felt and what it represented.
@robbieaulia6462
@robbieaulia6462 2 жыл бұрын
It would be even funnier if the landmass in the maps are red and black, and the compass is the shape of that roollet wheel thing (idk what it's called) to make it truly look like gambling.
@thecoldglassofwatershow
@thecoldglassofwatershow 2 жыл бұрын
@@robbieaulia6462 a roulette wheel!
@BeinIan
@BeinIan 2 жыл бұрын
That's actually really interesting, and just the atmosphere of sitting around that table must have naturally put them in the right mindset for the film. Kubrick is a damn genius, man.
@nuascannan
@nuascannan Жыл бұрын
@@BeinIan exactly
@reallyfurious
@reallyfurious Жыл бұрын
That's pretty interesting.
@ashwindsouza606
@ashwindsouza606 2 жыл бұрын
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
Classic line 😂
@wolfheartdarnell324
@wolfheartdarnell324 2 жыл бұрын
One of the best jokes in SAO Abridged
@men_del12
@men_del12 2 жыл бұрын
Translation: Please make a rampage in peace room.
@pixelettee
@pixelettee 2 жыл бұрын
Ah, yes. I should have known that would... Wait! You get my references?
@goldenduck3931
@goldenduck3931 2 жыл бұрын
Why did the narrator repeated the joke like we didn't get it lmao kinda ruined it
@alexbadeau5027
@alexbadeau5027 2 жыл бұрын
Satire is essentially holding up a circus mirror to an issue to illustrate your point. The specific distortion that circus mirror creates can vary, as excellently covered in this video ! Great job once again 💪
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
Great description!
@chairwood
@chairwood 2 жыл бұрын
Reductio ad absurdum
@MidnightAssass1n
@MidnightAssass1n 2 жыл бұрын
@@chairwood expelliarmus
@chairwood
@chairwood 2 жыл бұрын
@@MidnightAssass1n pls u can't b using spells like that on me. I'm not even a frikin wizard.
@Sepharig
@Sepharig 2 жыл бұрын
“Wow, this is so metaphorical!” But really, I do like this metaphor
@ethanrummel7638
@ethanrummel7638 2 жыл бұрын
So I took a Roman Satire class as part of my masters in Classics, and I happened to watch Borat for the first time that semester. It was honestly wild to see how the tradition has carried on. I would say the one element missing from this analysis is the way in which Satire mocks something, but in doing so turns a mirror on its audience. At first, you laugh at the thing being mocked, but the bigger question is: what does your reaction to the target being ridiculed reveal about you?
@andylumehibringyougold.5764
@andylumehibringyougold.5764 2 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/nni8cmh7bLSjb5Y My missing bicycle must be brought back to me now. Andy Lumeh Ministries Evangelist 🇬🇧, Black British History Month. 🏅🍰🎸🚘
@Jianju69
@Jianju69 Жыл бұрын
Borat was just awful.
@Dragoon710
@Dragoon710 Жыл бұрын
@@Jianju69 only if you're the type of person they're making fun of lmao
@Jianju69
@Jianju69 Жыл бұрын
@@Dragoon710 Right, because there's no reason to dislike a comedy save for feeling picked on. Try again.
@Dragoon710
@Dragoon710 Жыл бұрын
@@Jianju69 just bad taste I guess
@angelomorales1932
@angelomorales1932 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't think I needed this video but Studiobinder is back at it again
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
Always will be 👍
@GroovingPict
@GroovingPict 2 жыл бұрын
The German version of "I want to hold your hand" isnt really a "cover" since it is actually The Beatles themselves, recording an alternate version for the German speaking market (West Germany, Austria, Switzerland). It might seem strange to us now, but this wasn't too unusual back then
@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266
@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 Жыл бұрын
Yep, some guys still do that like Ricky Martin, Shakira and some italian and spanish singers.
@frds_skce
@frds_skce Жыл бұрын
Tbf, even the Korean singers do Japanese cover of their songs; cuz it's to reach further demographics
@pexobestia
@pexobestia Жыл бұрын
You gotta look for the spanish phonetical version films of Laurel and Hardy...
@slipperchicken
@slipperchicken Жыл бұрын
Came here to say that 🤦‍♀️
@alexithymia9337
@alexithymia9337 Жыл бұрын
It was the only song they did entirely in a foreign language.
@jadehughes8695
@jadehughes8695 2 жыл бұрын
It seems like juvenalian and menippean would have a huge overlap - ridiculing institutions or class structures would quickly become tied up with the ridiculing the attitudes and ideas upholding those structures.
@nuascannan
@nuascannan Жыл бұрын
right
@karaqakkzl
@karaqakkzl Жыл бұрын
Well, they were the proto balkans, they still had impact on balkan memes today
@nikshmenga
@nikshmenga 2 жыл бұрын
Jojo Rabbit: Nazi satire as a satire of "The Wes Anderson Style."
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
😂that's a good take
@oauwneicustastrokeisyaiwk8368
@oauwneicustastrokeisyaiwk8368 2 жыл бұрын
@@knifola4128 Pretty sure OP wasn't talking about the color palette
@aviewerman
@aviewerman 2 жыл бұрын
I study an MPhil in Modern Philology and one of my courses on poetry of the XVI century started by explaining the three types of satire, like you guys are doing with movies! It's always a pleasure to watch your videos
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
Literature and cinema are lifelong companions :)
@ericmuschlitz7619
@ericmuschlitz7619 2 жыл бұрын
It all translates to expression, the different forms are merely modes.
@andylumehibringyougold.5764
@andylumehibringyougold.5764 2 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/nni8cmh7bLSjb5Y My missing bicycle must be brought back to me now. Andy Lumeh Ministries Evangelist 🇬🇧, Black British History Month. 🏅🍰🎸🚘
@lurkzie
@lurkzie Жыл бұрын
It's a shame that 'The Boys' wasn't mentioned in this video. It's probably one of the most relevant satirical shows right now with It's depiction of Capitalism and Celebrity culture
@mannamedthumb
@mannamedthumb Жыл бұрын
Imo it’s less satire and more a commentary on the issues
@lurkzie
@lurkzie Жыл бұрын
@@mannamedthumb pretty sure satire is a form of commentary. Did you not watch the video?
@fabriciofazano
@fabriciofazano Жыл бұрын
@@mannamedthumb is satire not a form of commentary?
@Myeauxyoozi
@Myeauxyoozi Жыл бұрын
After watching the video I'd be inclined to say it's a Juvenalian Satire, right?
@johngr1747
@johngr1747 Жыл бұрын
And the superhero genre, which is very popular nowadays. Homelander is the best example of Juvenalian satire of Superman I can think of.
@DrNitroGecko
@DrNitroGecko Жыл бұрын
Actually, the Beatles got their breakthrough singing in Germany before they got famous in the UK. That was probably their original song in German. They had a limited repertoire of songs that could be easily translated.
@clouseaux
@clouseaux Жыл бұрын
Not the original but it was the Beatles recording, Germany was a big pop market , they found it didn't make them any more money so they only made a few German language records
@christopherangstadt926
@christopherangstadt926 Жыл бұрын
This makes the alternate reality of the Beatles in the Wolfenstein games make a lot more sense (they were forced to sing in German, Yellow Submarine became Das Blue U-boat)
@danielm6089
@danielm6089 2 жыл бұрын
Ok, ok, look, I haven't watched Idiocracy, but the line "so you cared whose ass it was, and why its farting" has convinced me to
@rorypuds
@rorypuds 2 жыл бұрын
Man I wish there was some Four Lions references in here, one of the best satires.
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
Also a great option 👌
@filmreviewer117
@filmreviewer117 2 жыл бұрын
It's an incredible movie!
@prettyvacant3605
@prettyvacant3605 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for reminding me this amazing film exists Need to rewatch it!
@SedatedGhostwriter
@SedatedGhostwriter 2 жыл бұрын
13:54 I don't think that's a cover. The Beatles did record German versions of a couple of their early songs.
@Xeppeling
@Xeppeling 2 жыл бұрын
I went in the comments to see if anybody else brought this up. It’s definitely the actual Beatles. They learned some of their songs in German since they often had gigs in Hamburg, Germany
@waxmeltfan
@waxmeltfan Жыл бұрын
Finally someone said it
@sildaz
@sildaz 2 жыл бұрын
This turned out useful to help me clarify how could I do a script that targets the ideas that I want. Before I just wanted to shoot everything but now I think reducing the targets would work better. A menipean satire would work, or maybe It could turn Juvenalian during writing
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
Having a framework to focus your creativity would help!
@vitor262
@vitor262 Жыл бұрын
I don't understand the categories. The first ones are based on tone, but the last is based on the target
@yellowpowr8455
@yellowpowr8455 Жыл бұрын
The first two are also specifically about societal conventions as opposed to moral conventions, etc.
@michaelnurse9089
@michaelnurse9089 Жыл бұрын
I squinted at this too. It means the video author never thought about it too much - just quoted what they read on wikipedia.
@drmchillchristianbeats1455
@drmchillchristianbeats1455 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting ideas. Every upload all the core ideas you've mentioned before just comes together. Keep informing
@ma3ahumma3ahum94
@ma3ahumma3ahum94 2 жыл бұрын
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@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
Will keep informing and entertaining :)
@Mtv-get-off-thee-air
@Mtv-get-off-thee-air Жыл бұрын
I remember learning about satire for the first time when I was a kid in a language arts class, and I just remember thinking “oh my gosh this is literally all the stuff I like”
@kavothekua6074
@kavothekua6074 2 жыл бұрын
Truth be told mate, I can't wait to be a filmaker, watching all of your videos really helping me, keep doing your own work,. Who knows, maybe one day a fella can say how did he make that, and his answer will be studio binder
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
That would be amazing :)
@Kinzokugia
@Kinzokugia Жыл бұрын
Sometimes I wonder if Team America failed as a satire, considering the most common usage is unironic jingoism
@spimbles
@spimbles Жыл бұрын
nah
@Mavrik9000
@Mavrik9000 Жыл бұрын
Even the 'merica people get it, at least a little bit.
@alexithymia9337
@alexithymia9337 Жыл бұрын
I thought it failed as humor, satire, or political commentary. I love a lot of Southpark though.
@StayFractalesque
@StayFractalesque Жыл бұрын
what do you mean, 'failed as satire' .. I'm not familiar with this phrasing?
@robc8841
@robc8841 Жыл бұрын
Same is true of Borat
@robertobuatti7226
@robertobuatti7226 2 жыл бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Robocop (1987) a satire even though it wasn't laugh out funny but had humor to it and poked fun of the corporate situation of that era.
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, we’d say Robocop falls under a Juvenalian style of satire due to its darker tone, and harsher cirques of corporate greed and government corruption.
@robertobuatti7226
@robertobuatti7226 2 жыл бұрын
@@StudioBinder Yes definitely, sure is. When I first watched Robocop as a 12 year old in 1993 I didn't know what satire was and just thought it was a cool action/thriller with humor but as I grew up and started to understand life more I definitely see it in a whole new light at age 39 and seeing how the it pokes fun at corporate greed and stepping on a colleague just to get ahead in the business and corruption, that's why Robocop was needed to clean up the streets and the people higher up in power, which in the sequels was lacking from the original and made them empty hollow films just to have action for action sake.
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 2 жыл бұрын
@@StudioBinder , what about Judge Dredd? Satire or just plain over the top stupidity?
@martysmaps7411
@martysmaps7411 Жыл бұрын
My favorite satire is Irresistible. Unlike other satires, it is VERY mild in it's exaggeration. It's so toned down that it feels like a "based on a true story" movie. Looking back on it, I would describe it as a grounded Horatian satire on the American electoral system
@Robert_McGarry_Poems
@Robert_McGarry_Poems Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love tropic thunder, and believe many people miss the very obvious satire. Thanks for including it.
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 2 жыл бұрын
"Every satire needs a target". Strangely, this reminds me of The Wild Ones: "So, what are you against?" Brando: "Whaddya got?" After seeing the movie The Sting in the theatere, my dad asked me what I thought the moral of the movie was. I puzzled over this for a few seconds and replied that I didn't think there was a moral to the story. "Sure there is", my dad replied, "the moral of the story is, 'Crime *does* pay!' "
@WallKenshiro
@WallKenshiro 2 жыл бұрын
Idiocracy isn't a satire, it's a true story told 15 years too early.
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
Haha. It ages like a fine wine.
@LuisSierra42
@LuisSierra42 2 жыл бұрын
Camacho = Trump
@WallKenshiro
@WallKenshiro 2 жыл бұрын
@@LuisSierra42 I'd sooner have Camacho
@_Rick___Grimes_
@_Rick___Grimes_ 2 жыл бұрын
educate the left wow that was such a good one man you really got em
@WallKenshiro
@WallKenshiro 2 жыл бұрын
@@_Rick___Grimes_ I'm still crying
@CarletonTorpin
@CarletonTorpin 2 жыл бұрын
This is amazingly succinct and the outline for how to get started is a great template for creativity. Also, superb editing and sound in this video. It’s evident that you all love the craft of visual storytelling.
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
We do! And we love getting other people to love it too ❤️
@OGdadpool
@OGdadpool 2 жыл бұрын
I love satire in all forms. This was such a good explanation of each of one.
@TicketToLiterature
@TicketToLiterature 2 жыл бұрын
I have previously watched some of these movies but didn't get the nuances. Now I got it... Great explanation and what an edit! 👏👏👏
@DamonNomad82
@DamonNomad82 2 жыл бұрын
My favorite kind of satire is the kind from Greek mythology that has horns and goat legs, plays pipes and chases nymphs around. Wait, that's a satyr. I used to get the two confused as a kid! XD
@phlegios
@phlegios 2 жыл бұрын
So in simpler terms: Horatian satire is when you make fun of your target by pushing things to the absurd (Idiocracy), Juvenalian - is when you criticize the subject by drawing parallels to what happened or is happening in real life, and Menippean - is a mix of mockery and absurd? Tell me if I'm wrong.
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
Juvenalian is more about the tone, it's designed to make us angry about whatever topic is being addressed. Menippean can be either humorous or dark; the unique feature is what it targets- morals and beliefs
@Chesterton7
@Chesterton7 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant and valuable reminder to our new generations. Thank you.
@MarcusStaAnaBurSelF
@MarcusStaAnaBurSelF Жыл бұрын
Hello Martin! Nice to see you here! Yes, it's definitely helpful for us younger generations to learn about these kinds of things, as it helps a lot of us to not get easily offended and understand the true intentions of a lot of stories, novels, films, and a lot of series they show to the public nowadays.
@reallyfurious
@reallyfurious Жыл бұрын
This channel is worth it's weight in college film school fees. I love this channel more than I love some people in my own family.
@patrikmartin513
@patrikmartin513 Жыл бұрын
I learned what satire was Senior year of HS, thanks to our Film to Lit Professor Mr. Golden. Very important topic in which an informed populace should always be well versed.
@andrewharper1609
@andrewharper1609 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the lesson in Satire. And for drawing attention to Idiocracy, it's a great film and deserves more attention.
@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266
@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 Жыл бұрын
It's a gem.
@sifatshams1113
@sifatshams1113 2 жыл бұрын
Here are some more great films that could be relevant: The King of Comedy The Heartbreak Kid (1972) In The Company of Men Modern Romance Citizen Ruth Unfaithfully Yours Election Eating Raoul Catch-22 American Psycho Man Bites Dog The Ruling Class Welcome To The Dollhouse Drop Dead Gorgeous Monsieur Verdoux A New Leaf Kind Hearts and Coronets
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
Great list!
@rishabhrockstar5739
@rishabhrockstar5739 2 жыл бұрын
As a literature student, i know all these but understanding along with movie references is so awesome 👏😊, keep the good work Sir
@peterfrank3365
@peterfrank3365 2 жыл бұрын
I wish there were references to Robert Altman's works. My favorite of his is 'The Player'.
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
Altman's works are always classics 💯
@hopsiepike
@hopsiepike Жыл бұрын
I waited too long to watch Nashville, because I didn’t know is it was a subtle satire. Then it clicked.
@gr8witenorth61
@gr8witenorth61 Жыл бұрын
i just found this series, and im enjoying it, nice work guys...............
@wolfheartdarnell324
@wolfheartdarnell324 2 жыл бұрын
Came up in my recommended today. You sir have a new subscriber.
@NawidN
@NawidN 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the movie recommendations!
@nydabeats
@nydabeats 2 жыл бұрын
I recognize your choice selection of clips and I approve!
@diegolucano3354
@diegolucano3354 2 жыл бұрын
Hi there! Big fan of your content as well as an aspiring filmmaker. Thanks to you, I have a ton of information on how to budget, structure, and produce films. Is there any way you could introduce more information on producing animation? Especially since everyone on the internet tells you only how to animate it all yourself. This is also important because animation budgets can vary widely from simple 2d shorts to lifelike 3d films. Thank you for all of your videos. Everyone here truly appreciates them.
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
We might! Thanks for the suggestion :)
@curtisjackson5793
@curtisjackson5793 2 жыл бұрын
On Northrop Frye's Anatomy of Criticism, he explains that the difference between irony and satire, as genres, is that satire is militant, or political, as it makes clear that there is a legitimate moral code of conduct - which is implied as the normal, or the ethical way of seeing things - to which the narrative contrasts its characters and characterization, in general, against an absurd or ridiculous set of beliefs. Satire is closer to comedy than irony is, because it's the clash of a normative/oppressive society against the hero's society (or system of beliefs).
@mybachhertzbaud3074
@mybachhertzbaud3074 Жыл бұрын
Finally,! A deep documentary that combines all three and fulfills the dream of Mr. Farnsworth that TV will be used to educate the world! Bravo 😜 🐑 7 of 5 💫
@visassess8607
@visassess8607 2 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best narrators I've heard on KZbin!
@CoClock
@CoClock 2 жыл бұрын
Recently had my first watch of Don’t Look Up, would that be more Juvenalian than Horatian? I found the commentaries on our online community and society legitimately hilarious, but couldn’t completely ignore the pain I started to feel while watching it.
@kel5037
@kel5037 Жыл бұрын
It's full blown Juvenilian. I barely laughed when I watched it. To me, it was so painful it was hard to watch.
@k33k32
@k33k32 Жыл бұрын
@@kel5037which is why I haven't watched it...I'm just going to get depressed
@JonnyCrackers
@JonnyCrackers Жыл бұрын
Gonna have to watch all of these movies again. Such great examples.
@seeingmine
@seeingmine 2 жыл бұрын
Best narrator voice of all time.
@southerncinephile6258
@southerncinephile6258 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been trying to learn the specific types of satirical representation This helped
@violenceisfun991
@violenceisfun991 2 жыл бұрын
Your profile picture is from one of those chinese cartoons for peeDoeFiles
@chapablo
@chapablo 2 жыл бұрын
There’s so much Mike Judge here, and I love it!!!
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
Can always use some Mike Judge!
@kellylyons1038
@kellylyons1038 2 жыл бұрын
@@StudioBinder yeaahhh...if we could have more mike judge, that'd be great...
@jonathangriffin8060
@jonathangriffin8060 2 жыл бұрын
I have written a screenplay that is a satire of the film noir genre and the tropes and politics within the genre. It takes place in Los Angeles in 1945. It completely goes against the strict rules of censorship within the genre, the slang, the aftermath of World War II as well as the Golden Age of the film noir genre itself. The characters in my screenplay are parodies of the actors and actresses of this particular genre. This video is awesome and really great. I have learned a lot as far as satire. I hope you can do a video on parody in the future! Thanks!!
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
Parody, not a bad idea!
@jonathangriffin8060
@jonathangriffin8060 2 жыл бұрын
@@StudioBinderCool! And maybe it can also contain the camera shots as well as the history, different parody movies and how to visually tell a story with the camera shots and writing.
@tryyoncemore383
@tryyoncemore383 2 жыл бұрын
A satirical take on the film noir genre itself?! 😀 I would love to read excerpts if available 🌟 In any case, I sincerely hope it gets picked up 😊
@jonathangriffin8060
@jonathangriffin8060 Жыл бұрын
@@StudioBinder Oh, by the way...the screenplay is Horatian! LOL.
@Droidsbane
@Droidsbane 2 жыл бұрын
Huh, clearly CinemaSins either a: never even known what Satire is and is trying to make it seem it they do, or b: is trying (and failing) to be all three types of satire... and I don't know which is worse.
@richardgibson8403
@richardgibson8403 2 жыл бұрын
or c: they’ve descended through too many layers of irony, and the truth is unrecognizable now
@Droidsbane
@Droidsbane 2 жыл бұрын
@@richardgibson8403 that works too
@mikemorro140
@mikemorro140 2 жыл бұрын
@@Droidsbane Cinemasins never really was satire though I think that was just something fans said
@Droidsbane
@Droidsbane 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikemorro140 and yet they decided to run along with it as a convenient excuse
@mikemorro140
@mikemorro140 2 жыл бұрын
@@Droidsbane I don't think so I've seen more fans and detractors call it satire than they do
@BenWells95
@BenWells95 2 жыл бұрын
man I haven't started watching and already I know this is good.
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
We won't disappoint!
@candide1065
@candide1065 2 жыл бұрын
@@StudioBinder You have disappointed.
@Filmation77
@Filmation77 Жыл бұрын
Kudos for highlighting "Get Out" but there's a couple of African American themed satire that's either been overlooked or done through sketch comedy 1.The 90's Rap Mockumentary "Fear of a Black Hat" which was a Satire of Gangsta Rap and Hip hop 2. or more in sketch comedy:In Living Color, Chappelle's Show and Key & Peele, consistently,played with the notions of what it means to be "BLACK" but ,love the Video
@eugeniamikulan3328
@eugeniamikulan3328 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent, loved this video!!! I actually make comedy skits pretty often so this is extremely useful
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it could help with your art 😉
@shotakonkin2047
@shotakonkin2047 2 жыл бұрын
7:40 South Park perfectly fits the description of Juvenilian satire.
@eedoamitay3341
@eedoamitay3341 2 жыл бұрын
Nice timing with the Fight Club shot ; )
@wildcardjonathan
@wildcardjonathan 2 жыл бұрын
That ending touched me...
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
Important stuff 👌
@poiuyt975
@poiuyt975 Жыл бұрын
You can do satire without exaggerating, almost writing a documentary. There's a perfect example of that, the best TV show ever created - Yes, Prime Minister.
@nene2734
@nene2734 2 жыл бұрын
Jojo rabbit is one of my favorite films I wish there was more like it . If anyone has recommendations pls
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
One of the best of 2019!
@piyam5948
@piyam5948 2 жыл бұрын
Have you see Death of Stalin? It's brilliant
@youngkob3408
@youngkob3408 11 ай бұрын
Never knew there were different kinds, ive googled it before and got nothing, so this video is cool! I've always been a fan of Menippean Satire
@ShetlandShanty
@ShetlandShanty Жыл бұрын
I've never heard of Idiocracy but I need to watch it now.
@StickySauce101
@StickySauce101 2 жыл бұрын
so many comments "internet killed satire" or "modern world can't have satire as everyone gets offended" - yeah.. it is because people get so easily offended satire can grow.. if anything many of the extremes we see happening in real world are satire that the masses have gobbled up in the need for perpetual offense in search for attention.
@annabellemoore4214
@annabellemoore4214 9 ай бұрын
Satire - Moral Outrage transformed into comic art Examples Horatian - Overtly cometic, light in tone Juvenalian- Make you angry, can be funny but is more dramatic Menippean - Attacks beliefs or moral attitudes (Attacks moral beliefs) What the movie sees as morally bad
@bazzfromthebackground3696
@bazzfromthebackground3696 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid for a stumble onto your channel.
@jonatasnobrega2676
@jonatasnobrega2676 Жыл бұрын
Sir on the grave voice, I miss your amazing voice 😍 good hear you again
@sayanneogy3079
@sayanneogy3079 2 жыл бұрын
The voice is so soothing...
@KyleLeland
@KyleLeland 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I'd counter however that the target of Idiocracy is not politics, but rather Capitalism and Populism.
@DelightLovesMovies
@DelightLovesMovies 2 жыл бұрын
"no fighting in the war room." Stanley Kubrick is the best...haha
@Emily-nx4hl
@Emily-nx4hl 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for the amazing video!!!
@SpaceMissile
@SpaceMissile Жыл бұрын
that tropic thunder scene will never stop being funny to me
@kartawijaya3927
@kartawijaya3927 2 жыл бұрын
can a film manifest all 3 type of satire? i mean like jojo rabbit the biology class scene seems to be horatian but clearly the gestapo scene is menippean, and the dinner table scene is juvenalian?
@Bizarro69
@Bizarro69 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant!
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
a film can certainly show elements of all three; they just usually focus on one type
@jenniferariesta6635
@jenniferariesta6635 2 жыл бұрын
11:30 korean dramas and movies are so often comical AND then extremely dark later on, western audiences would say it’s a tonal whiplash but I wonder if cultural difference is at play here
@itseveary5756
@itseveary5756 Жыл бұрын
11/10 video I absolutely Love this video it explained so much to me
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 2 жыл бұрын
Surprised not to see Bulworth in here. Or Blazing Saddles!
@o_o-037
@o_o-037 Жыл бұрын
14:45. I Finally found the source of the houses with eyes.
@samwallaceart288
@samwallaceart288 2 жыл бұрын
Best part of this video is how in explaining the "origin" of satire, you present 30 seconds of Greek names and a single quote as if that's more than fuckall.
@tulikaentertainments6370
@tulikaentertainments6370 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video ❤️
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@THEJOHNiVERSE
@THEJOHNiVERSE Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this.
@CluelessIndianGamer
@CluelessIndianGamer 2 жыл бұрын
Absolute bunch 'a geniuses ❤️
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
Just well informed cinephiles ;)
@andresabadr
@andresabadr 6 ай бұрын
amazing essay but.... i was kind of hoping to see something about the main differences between satire and parody in movies. Showing work like the one from Mel Brooks for example
@areyoufriendly
@areyoufriendly 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like “Don’t Look Up’ is a mix of Horation and Juvenalian. Is that possible or am I just wrong?
@IdiotParty
@IdiotParty Жыл бұрын
Idiocracy was an amazing way to end the video. All of the movie examples were phenomenal by the way, props.
@abhijith6589
@abhijith6589 2 жыл бұрын
What's the name of that stop motion animation clip you showed at the beginning? Which movie is it from?
@surajchaudhary613
@surajchaudhary613 2 жыл бұрын
Parasite and some other films mentioned in the video explicitly critique Capitalism and labor exploitation and not just simplified version of it which is "have vs have nots."
@StudioBinder
@StudioBinder 2 жыл бұрын
Capitalism plays a role, but Bong Joon-Ho has always been interested in class inequality and Parasite focuses primarily on it
@stealthven2352
@stealthven2352 Жыл бұрын
This narrator is amazing!
@devingraves8044
@devingraves8044 2 жыл бұрын
Never had a movie take me from laughing to crying like Jojo Rabbit
@stealthven2352
@stealthven2352 Жыл бұрын
This narrator is amazing
@JC_Cali
@JC_Cali 2 жыл бұрын
This was so amazing and I thoroughly enjoy it. Curious if there's any examples of non-white examples of satire, as this is obviously very euro-centric...
@billyalarie929
@billyalarie929 Жыл бұрын
i love that even the "Origins of Satire" part was satire.
@billyalarie929
@billyalarie929 Жыл бұрын
sorry. what i really meant was: *ahem* i like how he said "it's satirin' time" and then satired all over the place. there. culturally relevant reference for our current moment!
@nyanSynxPHOENIX
@nyanSynxPHOENIX 2 жыл бұрын
Aristophanes is honestly amazing. Why do we read Shakespeare and not Aristophanes?!?
@birdie_cathare
@birdie_cathare Жыл бұрын
Great work tyyy
@beenieyesproduction8433
@beenieyesproduction8433 2 жыл бұрын
StudioBinder is just amazing
@nobodynowhere3170
@nobodynowhere3170 2 жыл бұрын
Man this is gold.
@BaldPerspective
@BaldPerspective 2 жыл бұрын
You missed one of the best satires of the past decade with Shin Godzilla.
@LeonAllanDavis
@LeonAllanDavis 2 жыл бұрын
Not making a lot of sense, here. Movie clips obfuscate the subject. For example, if you introduce Aristophanes, provide a few quotes. The man was screamingly funny. He was forever attacking Socrates and putting words in his mouth. One of his funniest bits was Socrates' opinion on whether a mosquito made its high-pitched noise with its mouth or its asshole. Of course Socrates never said anything of the kind. That's just one example.
@RedSW
@RedSW 2 жыл бұрын
really good video!
@davidavien4338
@davidavien4338 Жыл бұрын
It seems that the entire point of satire is to amuse the intelligent but powerless. Satire has never changed anything, has it?
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