3 Venators vs 1 Imperial I class Star Destroyer - Star Wars: Empire At War Remake NPC Battle

[@cinematicnpc]

As a result of the unexpected increase in views of this video, I receive an avalanche of comments like "the video is wrong, this would not happen". I have the impression that many do not read the title or the description of the video, and do not notice that it is written somewhere NPC Battle. To make it very clear, the ships are controlled by the AI in the game, I just create the custom map, choose the ships and use the cinematic camera to follow the action. I have no influence on how the ships move, they will only do what their scripts allow them to do. And the fighters are missing because they didn't have a major impact in this video. In the game/mode the AI-controlled fighters are either destroyed very quickly or fly randomly without engaging in combat and at the same time they are a pain for the multiple frames on the footage where moments of the actual fight are lost. For this reason I have not enabled them in this video and many other videos for a good period of time. If you look at more recent videos you will have fighters in the videos.

[@pope2552]

it’s all Republic fans pissing themselves because they can’t stand the fact that an Imperial-Class absolutely washes the Venator

[@cinematicnpc]

It's all because no one understands what they're looking at, and they want to see in an NPC Battle the reality from the movies or the way they imagine the battle would go ideally. I personally don't care who wins, I just try to make some interesting and pleasant videos.

[@Trains-With-Shane]

Wait people not reading any of the available information before commenting out of hand!? Inconceivable!! lol. I enjoyed the video for what it was. The AI is pretty basic in regards to capital ship maneuvers. That was a hard won victory for the Republic. Makes me want to reinstall Empire at War.

[@Surprise_Inspection]

There is no way that fighters didn't have an impact. In Empire at War, Ventators carry like six times as many fighter craft as does the imperial star destroyer. And there's three of them.

[@cinematicnpc]

Venators fighters are useless when controlled by AI... Watch this and then tell me how much impact they had here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXeqZGV4oNxlpqc

[@scottmorgan2467]

At the loss of one venerator, this battle could’ve been won a lot sooner. By having the other 2 venerators maneuver behind the star destroyer and take out the shield generators and engines. And then just pound the hell out of it from 3 sides.

[@ACCGOO9012]

Bro this is remake mod, the ISD don’t have engine model

[@thegaminodst1630]

Lmao

[@amyr1366]

If they had had starfighters, with a single Venator they would have finished off the destroyer, 420 Venator starfighters vs 72 of the Imperial starfighters. In this video the 3 venators must have had 1260 starfighters.

[@thegaminodst1630]

Keep your n mind the uploaded has no control of the ships. All ships are controlled by NPCs

[@ACCGOO9012]

@@amyr1366you know this is EAW remake mod, a game right?

[@GryphonArmorer]

The only problem I see with this battle is the complete lack of fighters that would have swarmed the Star Destroyer, eliminating all Ties, destroying the shield generators and some of the plasma cannons and turbo lasers.

[@alfredquirinus4025]

best defense/offense on campaign mode (Imperial or Zann Consortium mode!) ... is a wave of 30 TIE Defender squads on each base

[@TheDeepState2001]

No its ship vs ship

[@ifoundmemallet3394]

ISD’s held HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of fighter bro

[@GryphonArmorer]

@@ifoundmemallet3394 72 fighters, 12 bombers, and 12-24 interceptors. 🤓😎

[@ifoundmemallet3394]

@@GryphonArmorer That’s the game bro. Star wars canon is MUCH different

[@ThieflyChap]

The Republic isn't going down without a fight!

[@jman9049]

They did, indeed, go down without a fight-to roaring applause

[@Dutch501st]

Sometimes they did, but then they didn’t.

[@Dutch501st]

Unfortunately.

[@phoenixx913]

You can actually beat a imperator with just a single venator if you target the shield generators first and use it's bombers and heavy proton torpedo tubes.

[@monsterB0B]

Exactly!

[@Phantom19913]

@@monsterB0BYou could also lock it in a tractor beam and slow it down as its moving. Its why Starhawks could solo isd's once you grabbed them the ships own engines would rip it apart.

[@fraisertinko]

That doesn't make sense) If "just target the shield generator" was such a simple and easy solution - there would be no lasting space battles, since everybody would do such an easy thing)

[@strategicperson95]

@@fraisertinko what everyone thinks is the Shield Generator isn't really the shield generator. They also forget that despite how powerful Mon Calamari Cruisers shields are due to redundant systems, the Mon Cal ships still weren't a match against the Empire's Star Destroyers, especially at close range. Granted Star Wars videogames have help solidify this belief that the two bulbs on top of the Star Destroyers Bridge superstructure are shield generators (Rogue Squadron and Empire at War come to mind), but listen back to the Return of the Jedi scene, the crew member didn't say they lost their Shield Generators, They "lost their bridge deflector shields". And that was after the explosion, meaning that the shields protecting bridge were gone. And the crew understood that after something part of the bridge got destroyed. It's actually impressive how people believe X is Y because they didn't pay attention to what was shown and said on screen.

[@battleshipman56]

​@strategicperson95 facts bro, misconception is real and the fan base doesn't know much about the lore or the actual process of how things work, same as how under powered ion cannons are and turbo Lasers are in the game where concussion missles and proton torpedoes are just bs ignore all armour and shields of a ship, if it was that easy the droids would of wiped the Republic every single battle without any issues

[@vincentmanibusan2460]

honestly had venators be apart of the actual imperial navy the galactic civil war probably be different, you could essentially have them as light carriers meant only for deploying fighters on to the battle and while the enemy is dealing with an isd fighters and venators you could basically call in for a ground assault

[@kyle18934]

plus, they had a lot from the war. some overhauling, and they would be good enough for a police action. only the largest rebellion ships could take them out easily

[@Awesomegamer4567]

Well in the start they did have Imperial Venators while the ISD’s were getting built.

[@vincentmanibusan2460]

@@Awesomegamer4567 true that is. But had the empire kept the use of venators they wouldn't have a need of a death star the orbital bombardment is fear enough

[@myrandomcorner3460]

Honestly Im suprised the rebelion didnt take the venator and Clone wars stuff other than the Y-wing

[@Awesomegamer4567]

@@myrandomcorner3460 that would have been smart to do

[@Gaster_021]

Not that surprising of a result as the Star destroyer is built for anti ship combat specifically while the Venator is more designed as a assault carrier. Without the major advantage the Venator has (large fighter compliment) essentially they had to rely on overwhelming numbers to win.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

That’s like putting a Ticonderoga up against a PT boat, but taking the Ticonderoga’s missiles away

[@papapalps2415]

@@Matt-yg8ub The fact you don't realize that this EXACTLY how the Venator was often used is just endlessly fucking funny to me. Prequel kiddies are so fucking hopelessly clueless when it comes to actual critical thinking; you can cite Scarif and (pretend)you remember anything about it, but somehow, those childhood memories of countless TCW space battles wherein Venators are ALWAYS used as line combatants, and constantly fall 'in droves' to fucking Munificents and the like just seems to have somehow slipped your mind. Funny, that.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

@@papapalps2415 so let me see if I’ve got this straight, you only want to see the Venators utilize the most ineffectual tactics possible, you want them to charge headless into the guns of the ISD in an obviously suicidal frontal attack, no nuance, no strategy, just a full frontal attack, not as part of a battle line providing cover for fighter operations or as an overall strategic thrust, you just want them to sacrifice themselves as quickly as possible so that you can get your jollies off watching them die because of sheer fucking incompetence? I think you’re the one who pretends to remember the clone wars where the CIS had 10 times as many fighters as the GAR and the Venators were primarily utilized to transport and provide suppression fire to screen their fighter squadrons…..which are the main offensive element of the vessel. Many of the battles we got to witness were intentionally designed to be cinematic, given the supposed range of turbo lasers and accurately depicted battle would just be blinking, dots hundreds of thousands of kilometers distant firing streaks of light at one another. Things are done in the movies because they look pretty, not because they are accurate …. Unless of course you really want to except that a flaming kitchen sink can actually penetrate capital ship armor and cause explosions the size of a 747

[@tecnoghost6650]

@@papapalps2415 Well, brother, on the one hand, despite their design more oriented towards air superiority, the Venator are still a main battle cruiser. Naturally, they must be on the front line or at least prepared to show their faces, since the Republic's fleet is so weak. or mediocre that they do not have other cruisers more capable of withstanding a direct attack is not the venator's fault, on the other hand it must also be said that the CIS fleet is very OP (well in general the CIS is ridiculously superior to the republic), The Munificent and Recusant frigates have enough firepower for their type of ships, and the Providence cruisers are terrifying, I say they are one of the reasons why the Imperial class were designed, and they can still fight as equals against them, so As such, the use of the Venator is not bad, the problem is that it is basically the only competent ship of the Republic without counting the Mandator II class battleships, without better support options or more specialized, it is normal that the Venator are the ones that end up doing more than they should and therefore suffering more than normal

[@bryces.4204]

@@papapalps2415yea no shit they were used as line combatants. It was the main capital ship of the republic fleet… but it was NEVER without its compliment of starfighters and as had been shown on many occasions, when faced with separatist ships they were many times outgunned when going ship to ship. IT’s strength comes in its fighters and there no denying that so stop acting like you know something others don’t. Cuz you don’t

[@sebbykaiser6466]

I know this isn't lore friendly but it'd be really cool if something like this DID happen, some sort of Republic Remnants fleet

[@TempestsFist]

Ion accuracy really needs to be buffed in this mod. Right now their basically useless because of how often they miss their target entirely. This leaves any ship without missiles or fighters significantly under powered compared to ships with them. also I noticed during the battle there was a little while were the third venator straight up couldn't hit the ISD, nor was it firing torpedoes. Goofy. (edit) I think I know why, the Venator is trying to engage at maximum range, which is the range of it's torpedoes, but slightly further than the max range of it's main batteries. I still don't know why it wasn't using torpedoes though.

[@kharilane1340]

It's torpedo launchers might have been taken out. That's one of my favored tactics.

[@angelic_disappointment7889]

Yea that’s the great part, you could change the accuracy yourself if you go to the files and change a few numbers, i did it before to increase tubolaser range and and accuracy and it was a game changer

[@Matt-yg8ub]

It makes for a rather unsatisfying battle when the computer intentionally screwed the pooch By firing from beyond the range of its weapons

[@tr4480]

@@Matt-yg8ub thats AI or artificial idiocy for you. Makes you wonder if its really difficult to write up a program for the ships to put their design and features to best use. Something other than "walk into enemy fire in a slow leisurely manner while firing back the same way."

[@Matt-yg8ub]

@@tr4480 the most frustrating thing is knowing that an ISD can be taken out by a handful of starfighters, but Four giant carriers can’t take this thing out because they aren’t allowed to use fighters and are intentionally squandering what capabilities they do have

[@Gamrison]

I gotta admit I got way more invested into this than I thought I would, especially after the first Venator went down. Dang near started shout casting. I love the Venator. Great video!

[@cinematicnpc]

Thanks for your comment! If you want to see more, here is a 1v2 variant of video with fighters active: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXeqZGV4oNxlpqc

[@JustPlainRex]

They really have nailed the look of the turbo lasers hitting the shields just looks so good

[@masonanimelife1779]

Even tho the Venerator cant go toe to toe with a star destroyer without help it'll always be my top favorite ship

[@bigballzmcdrawz2921]

The Venators true strength, comes from its ability to rapidly deploy multiple Starfighter & bomber squadrons.

[@pope2552]

Star Destroyer clears

[@mreggs3731]

the Venator's help is actually INSIDE the Venator

[@FunniMillie]

Funnily enough, Venators are also classified as Star Destroyers, or were until Victory class ships and then ISDs were built

[@Kaiju-Driver]

New vs old, the inevitable March of progress.

[@istoppedcaring6209]

to be honest this is like an aircraft carrier engaging a battleship, entirely unreasonable, the venator would use it's bombers

[@HurricaneMiltonsDad]

Anyway, it was still fun to watch. I used to sit and just draw my space battles on endless notes of blank A4 paper, with colouring pens...and spent hours laying there drawing battles, with ships, and swarms of fighters. Now, it has come alive thanks to this amazing game. I really should take up gaming...

[@thediciple40channel11]

Now imagine if at least one of those venators circled around and attacked from behinds or if one venator was able to deploy its fighter and bomber compliment

[@KaustNothane]

...or even take the lead to save one another.

[@lemans_news_and_stories]

With the amount of fighters, I think even one Venator would be enough to win the battle

[@cinematicnpc]

Possible if the Venator is controlled by a player. But NPC vs NPC doesn't. An ISD NPC can defeat 2 Venator NPCs with active fighters: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXeqZGV4oNxlpqc

[@JIMvc2]

I was surprised how it long it lasted. As someone who played EAW and FOC for a long time. I got good at the ship vs ship thing lol. Great video 😎👏🏻🙌🏻

[@Vodaclall]

What is EAW and FOC?

[@smartbucketreal]

​@@Vodaclall Empire At War and Forces Of Corruption

[@seanwolslau-holdren6731]

Imagine a Star Wars story where an old Republic attack fleet of three Venators actually traveled forward in time and took on an Imperial Star Destroyer? I'd love to see that.

[@GeneGear]

A Far Rim Republic outpost/patrol that had three Venators as part of its fleet meant to guard multiple systems, that got lost in the shuffle post-66 due to Separatist sabotage of long-range communications, would have been all it would have taken, especially if the Venators were crewed more by Republic Volunteers rather than Clones as a result of combating Trade Federation interests and piracy. With a long enough communication delay, and with staunch enough Republic Loyalists in charge of the fleet, the Emperor would eventually have been forced to send an Imperial contingent to hunt down "separatist holdouts" who had "stolen Republic assets." Or they literally could have been refurbished Republic assets reclaimed by actual Separatist Holdouts, or other kinds of breakaway factions prior to the rise of the Rebel Alliance. There are a few legitimate ways that an ISD would have run into a scenario where it would have had to gone up against a Venator or three. Maybe an old Republic captain went pirate. Maybe a pirate lord raided one and stole it before it could be impounded in a scrapyard. Maybe an enthusiast refurbished a scrapped one, and decided to go out in a blaze of glory by doing the tango with an ISD. Or maybe an early Moff just decided to go AWOL and the Emperor sent an up and coming starlet to go correct the error of the older one's ways.

[@janzak8762]

Both ships look cool, but damn from an angle at the end the star destroyer looks so menacing

[@aryawahjoesetiawan3831]

Well that's an expected result since the venator Proton torps is very helpful

[@nikkotan2840]

The Wedged Shaped designed of the Imperial Star Destroyer is very good looking and intimidating, the only downside is that they never took advantage of the wider hull to place more Turbo Laser Turrets on the forwards placement frontal arc that could actually bare full barrage on enemy ships not build on the side of the superstructure that could not open fire completely because it was block by the front facing turret. The most simple solution to this kid of problem is give their broadside turrets an elevation starting from the 2nd turret next to the front turret to the back like battleships do.

[@177SCmaro]

Yeah, it's too bad George Lucas didn't know more about navel design when he based his star destroyer on WWII battleships. The fact that both the Venators and the ISD are very limited in their firing arcs since their main batteries are not centerline or superfireing. The best thing to do instead of pointing straight at the target would be to dip the bow down to clear all the big turbo laser turrets.

[@kharilane1340]

​@177SCmaro Lucus forgot that space battles can use different angles and depth points than surface water battles. Spaceships are more like submarines than surface ships.

[@nikkotan2840]

@@kharilane1340 Exactly but i seems George Lucas focus of recreating a 18th Century NAVAL Battle than actual Space Battle.

[@kharilane1340]

@@nikkotan2840 An 18 Century naval battle with starfighters doing WWII dogfighting.

[@nikkotan2840]

@@kharilane1340 right again.

[@kurtstergar1042]

How many attack/bomber starfughters can a Venator carry? Two of the Venators carrying bombers launch bombers far out of laser range. Staggered formation , target, fire torpedoes. First bomber wave return for reload. 2nd. Bomber wave continue with attack fighters. The Venators all move to flank the SD. 1st bomber wave returns to launch more torpedoes.

[@TheJedaiHero9000]

Venator-Class Star Destroyers for the Abso-fraking-lute Win here!!!!!

[@lydethgullam7601]

I feel like the venators woulda used their fighter wing rather than go toe to toe with an ISD

[@cinematicnpc]

Fighters are useless in videos like this, NPC vs NPC, the AI that controls them doesn't make them as effective as you think.

[@rjpx947]

My expectation was that the Imperial would take out one Venator, and heavily maul another before losing the fight. Also, I'm not sure it's an accurate match, as none of the Destroyers used their starfighter compliment. The Imperial's TIE squadrons would be hard pressed, both screening the Venator squadrons, and trying to actively swarm them. If this represents an Imperial vs. Alliance battle, I'd say a squadron of B-wings, properly used, could give the fight a decisive turn. The ISD could have used its broadsides, but neither did the Venators attempt to share armor. I feel the outcome would have been two surviving Venators, if they had done this.

[@Callum_Summer0972]

Because this is only just a Capital ship on Capital ship battle. No other help just using their guns.

[@litlefoxx3573]

I know this is just ai controlled/simulated, but if this were to actually happen, the 3 venators would have won in minutes, flanking and manuevering around the star destroyer but also the fact each would have a few squadrons of fighters to help target weak points

[@Uncle_Tato]

You know what this doesn't really take into consideration? The fact that the three venators combined have 1260 fighters, and the isd only has 70

[@kennkoala]

In any other battle gaining a height advantage would see a win but here, with both ships having their main armament on the top hull going under your opponent and blasting the hell out of it's belly would be the wiser course. In the opening scene of A New Hope the Star Destroyer has a few guns underneath, in an episode of the Clone Wars (animated) a Venator escapes by exposing it's underside to the enemy as it turns away.

[@arcanetactician8997]

3 Sherman vs a Tiger.

[@mrsqueegee4240]

“Concentrate forward fire power!!!”

[@Tony-rn5fm]

this is what a small battle should look like, wish is was late clone wars era with the bottom mount SPAT on the venators , that might make a difference

[@diablo56100]

A battleship (ISD/SSD) versus three carriers (Venators). If the aircraft in the actual hangars were loaded, the Venators would have won due to sheer presence of fighters and bombers penetrating the shield and taking out key targets and hardpoints on the battleships exterior. Still nice to watch just because cinematic space fights are awesome like that in Star Wars

[@DerDrecksack87]

Yeah but than you would have to give the ISD its corvette & frigate escort, an ISD would never engage alone, with the on board garrison & maybe extra fighters from something like a TonFalk carrier, the Venator would have a tough time getting enough bombers & fighters trough in one piece.

[@andrewmcdonald7435]

Ok so a lone ISD has the firepower to go guns against two Venators and win but needs to be part of a battle group for more than two good to know And this is without fighter support

[@Mr-Lister]

I would expect a compliment of fighters to swing things in the Venators favor heavily, as that's three flights of fighters vs the SD's one. However, if this were an ISD II, the octuple guns might swing things back in the Star Destroyer's favor.

[@helghast1149]

Based on what ships being used? If they're clone wars era fighters then they're all outclassed by their Imperial counterparts. TIE Interceptor's would decimate the V-Wings and ARC-170's. TIE Defender's, TIE Bomber's, and TIE Reaper's would ensure that the swarms of inferior craft aren't able to complete their attack runs on the ISD. That way the ISD simply focuses on capital ship bombardment. @@Mr-Lister

[@joewright2304]

The two venerators on the flanks should have moved further to the sides to force the destroyer to split its fire.

[@joer9323]

That's one hell of a fight! Excellent! For a "fair" fight though, make it a Super Star Destroyer.

[@kingghidorah1415]

Losing 2 ships to destroy one ship shows how much better the Imperial I class is.Love those ships

[@Astralis_Z]

Esta es un barco contra barcos, unos que se utiliza como Porta Aviones y otro como Destructor antibuque, o si no hubiera cambiado, ya que 3 Venators, ya te imaginarías la gran cantidad de cazas, bombardeos y de todo tipo de caza que se desplegarían

[@Razgriz-Flight-Spotting]

1 Imperial Class vs 1 Lucrehulk, or 2 Providence Class ?

[@cinematicnpc]

I have a video of ISD 1 vs Providence: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n16nqqRmqtdpmM0

[@BruceWayne-mb4hk]

This was better than the sequel trilogy space battles 😐

[@Cryorex]

I want an episode or two about a conflict like this in Bad Batch Season 3 - Clone Rebellion Arc - Venators VS The first Imperial Class Star Destroyers

[@allninelivez7631]

What about the Acclamators vs a Imperial Star Destroyer?

[@johnmorris6710]

So the venerator has like 420 fighter craft and the Imp has 72, so 1260 vs 72. And most carry proton missiles or bombs, so was the ensign left in charge of the battle tactics

[@papapalps2415]

'Most' don't, no.

[@anaruhoani2597]

Just like a tiger and three shermans

[@cinematicnpc]

Lol, I know that scene

[@Firefocus-fz2we]

I love the Remake's scale of the SSD when compared to TR. For me in TR the Executor is just some bigger Pizza Slice while in the Remake it's THE Pizza Slice

[@cinematicnpc]

lol

[@GameboyDoesNothing]

I think Rebel Alliance using Attack Cruiser for their new weapon

[@carsonhogue8]

if the venators had their star fighter complements, they would have won easily.

[@carsonhogue8]

won way easier as in a lot less losses, minimal casualties.

[@saac0937]

Then the imperials would have won east

[@Matt-yg8ub]

@@saac0937 but not north south or west. This kind of battle goes to the carrier with the standoff capability at least 75% of the time if not more….. three carriers with a combined 1200 starfighters could massacre an ISD without ever exposing themselves to counter fire

[@papapalps2415]

@@Matt-yg8ub They can't, though, and no amount of copy pasting 'b-but, fighters, thoooo??????' like as if 1200 fucking V-Wings who's total armament consists of fighter scale proton torpedo launchers at absolute best is going to do anything to a ship with a reactor outputting teratons of energy a second will change that.

[@Matt-yg8ub]

@@papapalps2415 bro, X-wings and bombers are what the Rebellion used to take down ISDs. You really want to make the argument that the XWing is exponentially more powerful than 100 times as many ARC-170s ?? How about the bombers, each one of those Venators is carrying close to an entire rebellion worth of support craft.

[@manhunter433]

In the Mods, I usually utilize Venators as fleet carriers while the larger capital ships did the primary ship to ship. Though this didn't stop me from using the Venators for fire support engaging enemy vessels.

[@violin1113]

Good origin story for Captain Shack’s Liberation in AotR

[@MrANTICRAZY]

If this were an accurate representation of ship capability at it's fullest the ISD would never have closed to range. But since its a game it becomes a simple damage output vs target strength calculation. Each venator has 14 total 12 weapons harpoints for a total of 42, the ISD can only target one ship at a time, the ISD has 29 total hardpoints 27 of which are weapons. Yes the Venator had half the shield strength and half less than half the weapon emplacements but thats why theres 3 venators. Sacraficing one venator to strip shields amd destroy the ion cannons and hangers means the other 2 survive with minimal damage.

[@tr4480]

The ISD would have been better to position itself so that the other two Venators couldn't get completely clear shots on the ISD. Tricky in such a space environment which as someone else stated is like a submarine like area of operations, but still feasible.

[@heheuur962]

Man I wish the star destroyers were shown to be this powerful in the movies, that would’ve been awesome.

[@timw483]

I fully see something like this happening in The Bad Batch where rogue clones get ahold of a few Venators, intending to restore the Republic. Then just when it looks like the clones will succeed, we get the first canon appearance of the ISDs

[@stephenrowland7300]

Enjoyed the video, only thing I’ll say is outside of ship positioning, the venators would have deployed their full squadrons of fighters and bombers so the fight would have ended much faster without the loss of any venators.

[@breretonschwartz8427]

Clone Lieutenant: Admiral, a ship of unknown origin, has just jumped out of hyperspace! Admiral: Open a hailing frequency! Admiral: Attention unidentified vessel, you are in restricted airspace, identity yourself! Imperial Admiral: Actually, your ships are in Imperial space, surrender, or be destroyed! Republic Admiral: The Republic will not be intimidated by you! Imperial Admiral: Vary well. Open fire!

[@lepourceletbarthelemy6555]

*Boredom Wars* - We wait for your orders commander !!! - Yes. *Star Wars ending music*

[@chancegarrison7636]

16:16 in this video the imperial class star destroyer has meet it's match.

[@BokserPerm]

Why did the captain of the Imperial Star Destroyer only use two batteries of heavy turbolasers? He has six of them. And didn't use heavy ion cannons? Did the captain of the ship also forget about the air group?

[@illusive1805]

Beautifully done👊

[@HandsomeDanVacationRentals]

In 1983 the GOTY for computers was Lode Runner. In 1984 it was Star Wars. How far we’ve come….

[@majorpark]

You should do one like this where it is the full battle of Coruscant.

[@JaguarWarri0r1]

Venator Starfighter compliment:192 Alpha-3 Nimbus-class V-wings, 192 Eta-2 Actis interceptors, 36 ARC-170 starfighters or a mix of 192 V-19 Torrent starfighters or BTL-B Y-wing starfighter/bombers or Z-95 Headhunters. Total standard compliment=420 Imperial Star Destroyer 1 Starfighter compliment: 72 TIE fighter series starfighters. Bombers, Fighters, Interceptors. Venator, 420 vs ImpStar 1, 72

[@svampen7782]

The thing about Venetor Class is that its essentially i guess a Light Carrier rather than a full on boom boom ship. Its strength lies in its airwings which the hangars for it take up most of the ship meanwhile ISD is one small hanger with 72 Ties while Venetor has more than double that. I think this still makes Venetor better as its more flexible in its reach. One ISD can go boom boom true enough but its essentially a ship that requires a bunch of smaller vessels to support it Frigates, Cruisers etc because it cant really send its own smaller vessels on missions so if ur far away then its kinda "Oh well they are too far away and we have only 1 ISD" I think this will make sense to some of you. Not to mention that Republic fighters are superior to Tie fighters and this is due to the empires glass cannon doctrine when it comes to fighters. They put alot of power and speed into the Tie Fighter but it has no shield and no hyper drive but it has powerful lasers hence Glass cannon. With all this in mind i think 1 Venetor with a commander who knows how to use its airwings will beat an ISD simply because the Tie Fighters are no match and will be destroyed and then the Venetor bombers will just bomb on and on as the Venetor is shooting at the ISD.

[@RADD93]

Imagine if Admiral thrawn was in charge of those Republic cruises or the Imperial style destroyer

[@judahschultz]

I wonder how a harrower-class dreadnought would do against an ISD.

[@derrickstorm6976]

Do the NPCs in this game just sit still until someone is out of firing range and that'sthe only time they will move?

[@zatnikutel635]

11:57 15:25 best part is when the camera is in the venator class and we can hear that SW1 Phantom Menace torpedo sound effect. the camera should have been more on that.

[@TheWxwookie]

The Ventators greatest strength wasn’t used, it huge fighter corp. That happens to be the ISD’s greatest weakness.

[@RPDTyrant103]

If this battle would have included the Venerators complete complement of star fighters, it would have ended a lot sooner. The second I noticed the venerators did not have their ships deployed I thought it was all over. Interesting take, I do like it :D

[@RPDTyrant103]

I didnt see the part about the fighters. But in actual battle with humans and not AI, I think 3 venerators would win. Each one had what, over 500 fighters on deck, all piloted by clones. If they still had clones piloting in their prime then yeah, venerators would win. Not a pretty fight, but they would win.

[@papapalps2415]

​@@RPDTyrant103But the fighters don't matter, though, because they can't do anything.

[@8ZakattacK9]

@@papapalps2415 Bombers absolutely matter and would tip the scale in the Republic's favor in this battle.

[@papapalps2415]

@@8ZakattacK9 Sure. That isn't what I said, though. Fighters. V-Wings or Torrents or whatever are not making much of a meaningful difference, bar to deal with other fighter craft. Although regardless, even the bombers being enough is arguable; 3 Venators should have about an equal reactor output/offensive punch to match or exceed an ISD, and the bombers would absolutely be helpful, but it's somewhat dependant on the commanders and the circumstances; a clever enough ISD captain could very well win.

[@DerDrecksack87]

​@@papapalps2415 the Venator just cant match the shield shredding power of those ion canons, their output might be comparable but their main batteries & shields are much weaker and when the shields go down they are toast. I agree regarding fighters & bombers, they are cool but an ISD would never engage alone, it should have a bunch of corvettes & cruisers as escort, those would put up an anti fighter screen so i doubt those 3 Venators could win in any scenarion in a direct force on force confrontation.

[@alfredquirinus4025]

this is why I always prefer Venators over ISDs ... weaponry and compliment variety + shield generator boost ... like an MC75 but with destroyable shields!

[@Leopard1a5NO]

This just shows that the empire is much better than the Republic. I'm glad that the Galactic Empire took over! We can not have unloyal, unpredicteble, and dangerous clones to fight for us! The Empire is the best! LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!!! LONG LIVE THE EMPEROR!!!

[@chrismartindale7840]

I know you weren't commanding either fleet, so I guess the AI doesn't know about the one weakness of an ISD. There are no rear facing weapons. He has 3 Venators, have 2 face it head on while the third circles behind it. Oh, and this was a cool battle. Any chance you could do one where there are starfighters as well?

[@KENAXION88]

I just wanna know why this music is so peaceful for such a big battle...

[@rjkillorin121]

this battle was great, however, ISDs have far more firepower then what was shown here

[@saac0937]

Fr

[@angelic_disappointment7889]

Suppose the game devs could only put so much firepower for balancing probably

[@ДмитрийМуравьв]

На планету упали из космоса 3 подбитых корабля, каждый длинной более 1 километра и весом сотни тысяч тонн, а ещё у Венатора 1 главный редактор + 3 вспомогательных + токсичное гипер топливо, в трюме нейтронные бомбы и т. д., на Империале тоже самое и даже больше. Результат боя на орбите планеты : Внизу планетарная катастрофа, разрушены целые континенты, активизировались все вулканы, землетрясения, наводнения, цунами, заражены радиацией и токсичными отходами сотни миллионов километров, началось глобальное вымирание всех живых видов, голод, разруха и т. д. П. С. Думайте о последствиях. Всегда в фильмах этот момент обходят стороной, а после снимают фильм катастрофу про падение метеорита. 😀👍 П. С. Спасибо автору за ролик. 👍👍👍

[@Bapterion01]

The Galactic Republic vs The Galactic Empire.

[@peaceraybob]

Everyone appears to be trying to work out easier and faster ways for the Venators to win, but what I saw was an ISD operating in the finest traditions of the over-grown, under-trained and poorly skilled Imperial Navy of the immediate Post-Clone War period. It just sat there, no maneuvering at all and masking most of its heaviest batteries. This is kind of what I'd expect from a Navy that has grown massively in just as few years and simply run out of trained cadre to crew its ships. Add to this the likelihood that the Command Staff were promoted for political reliability rather than merit, and the abysmally poor performance we see in this battle makes a lot more sense.

[@cinematicnpc]

An interesting and different comment from many that I have received. The problem is that everyone tries to explain how Venators would win, thinking that they are players or that the game can recreate something from movies/series. No one reads in the title or description that the video is an NPC Battle. All ships are NPCs.

[@vexile1239]

And npcs are extremely limited in what their programming can do

[@Maker_of_Order66]

It's three ancestors vs one incredible strong descendant.

[@captaincool3560]

with the shear amount of fighters a Venator carries, this battle should've been over a lot sooner 😂

[@glassofmilk3474]

Remake is the only mod out there that carriers or fighters can go toe to toe with a big capital like an ISD and have more chance at success than the capital. Even FoTR and TR need you to spam more than a few carriers to win a battle.

[@stevefelten1197]

A Victory class SD has a lot more fire power, shields, and armor than the old Venerator, but if fighters were involved, it would've been a whole different fight.

[@Plasma187th]

Considering each venetor is equipped with atleast a squad of y-wing, thus battle could of been over before it began

[@bluenight104]

I’m not seeing any fighters which is the main capability of the venator

[@cinematicnpc]

This video was made as an experiment, to see how long the ships resist, that's why there are no fighters.

[@SuperNova1701]

One thing about the venators they were designed to fight above their weight class with numbers A 3v1 overwhelmed the confederate Droid command ships so beating an imperial SD isn't a stretch

[@Summerofsam]

If Thrawn was on the bridge, it would have been a day for the Empire!

[@TheMaxyms]

Watching an ISD advancing from its prow will never be not cool. It looks so menacing.. Anyway, in a pure ship vs ship scenario, the Venators’ proton tubes is their best weapon here: it could have either taken down the shield generators, or those heavy ion quad cannons first, and the ISD would have had a much harder time.

[@solarchos4352]

Given the sheer amount of firepower an ISD has, those Venators did quite well despite losing two of their number.

[@luisfuhrmann4350]

Why the Venatores didn`t use their big laser weapon, which is shown in the beginning of episode 3. (looks like a small death star)

[@nikobelic4251]

It’s revealed somewhere on the lore that only Anakin’s Venators had those. Most didn’t.

[@skybreak0675]

Venators are broadsiders in addition to assault carriers, having the middle one turn to broadside while the two on the sides keep moving to broadside the ISD would make a republic win faster

[@carlburgess4235]

Kinda was expecting more of s hail of fire from the Star Destroyer.

[@HurricaneMiltonsDad]

The hilarious thing is, such lasers wouldn't be able to fly through space in this way. They need to be full on beams, lightsaber like, or point beams where it flashes from the gun and hits the ship in the next nano second. These lasers? they'd simply veer off into space in a circle, orb like blob.

[@Everie]

The battle nobody thought of

[@daitoray9876]

In reality, the Venators would have deployed their fighters to attack the ship as they relied mainly on their starfighters to take out enemy ships over their own fighters. Their cannons and defenses were mainly used for bombardment or defensive(which they were not really good at.). The Star Destroyer would have done the same after a while but chances are, it would have been overwhelmed by the sheer number of star fighters that the Venators could deploy.(A single Star destroyer can only deploy a max of 72 TIEs(including interceptors and bombers) while Venators could deploy 420 star fighters.)

[@cinematicnpc]

Fighters are useless in videos like this, NPC vs NPC, the AI that controls them doesn't make them as effective as you think. I put ISD I vs 2 Venators with fighters activated, but they didn't mean anything, ISD took down the two Venators only 1/2 minute more than the situation without fighters.

[@daitoray9876]

​@@cinematicnpc Yeah I know. Its very unfortunate that the starship AIs are kinda useless. My situation above was meant to describe how an actual battle in the Star Wars Universe would have played out between the two ships should they have met.

[@papapalps2415]

@@daitoray9876 Execpt it wouldn't, lul. Snub fighters don't matter, and especially not when not only do Venator's generally not carry that complement, but they are all, per the very sources that gave you this number to furiously fap yourself to completion over, by and large, fucking V-Wings, lmfao. And they matter even less when taking into account how badly Venator's are outclassed in power output and guns.

[@Tony-rn5fm]

all that is missing is the color commentary

[@garrettlarson7611]

Didn’t take one thing into consideration. The venators massive star fighter compliment. If launched at the beginning, there wouldn’t have even been one venator lost in this battle.

[@davidblalock9945]

Honestly, I can’t think of a scenario where the ISD isn’t completely hosed. A single Venator has superior Fighter and Bomber complements, and the ISD has minimal point defense. Facing 3 Venators means its paltry 3 squadrons will be overwhelmed and destroyed rapidly, the fighters will then turn to attacking weapon emplacements, as bombs launch to come in for the kill.

[@sgregg5257]

The physics in the SW universe are great. You do not have to worry about orbital mechanics, gravity, Newtonian laws of motion, etc. All that aside, the tactics leave a lot to be desired. If I was the Imperial, I would come in hot between the sun and the Venators, and do a gun run as a fly by. Then zip over the horizon and force them to follow me. Turn around and come at them again for another gun run. If I was the Venators, I would split up and hit the Imperial from behind and in front and from the side.

[@Cyber_Horse_Studios87]

Honestly as much as I love the Venator and feel saddened by the end result, I’m not that surprised. The Venator may be able to pack a punch but the Imperial 1 can take a hit pretty well… and since the Imperial 1 was built for far more devastating warfare compared to the Venator’s seige based design, the Imperial simply had a lot of beef and power residing in it, and that’s enough to overpower a Venator… now if Anakin was in one of those Venator’s, the battle would have been VERY different. XD

[@Nicole1Cha]

Where are the fighters/bombers? For both sides.

[@SX41799]

The Venator class is the Anakin Skywalker of the space ships

[@stevebotham2018]

Each Venator has 3x the number of fighters and bomber of an ISD & here you had 3 Vens v1 ISD. Not to mention no way are all 3 just going to sit there stationary & trade blows 1st they send in their fighters take out the ties that they would outnumber 9 to 1. then the fighters & bombers strip the gun emplacements off the ISD & hit the shield generators. The ISD might take 1 Ven down but as soon as it is critically damaged we saw this in the clone wars. the ship commanders weren't shy about using a Venator to ram. So it would be more than plausable for the 1st Venator to Kamakazi on the ISD when it got critical damage.

[@MartinMolloy-c2k]

Where were the fighters to swarm the destroyer and heaven fighter bombers (wings or arcs)to pound the destroyers shield generators.