30-06 Insane Velocity! (Part 1)

In this video I take a Winchester Model 70 to the range to try out the Winchester 190 gr ABLR. I test the velocity and accuracy, I also do a ladder test with 6.5 Staball. Hope you enjoy the video!

[@phild9813]

“Don’t suck today please.” I’m dying. I have a 308 that’s like that. I really do want it to shoot well.

[@GGReloading]

Can’t wait to see the accurate 30-06!

[@JamesClark-lw6sw]

I have owned three and have never had an inaccurate one. My bolt guns are all glass bedded and the barrels free floated. I also use a decently made , reliable chronograph( NOT a CHRONY).I also don't use ONE SHOT per powder charge to decide my load levels.It's beyond stupid.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@@JamesClark-lw6sw Thanks for sharing your expertise James...

[@Shaggy_Rogers0001]

Ah yes, my favorite cartridge! This will be great!

[@Amado910]

Sweet video! I love the 30-06 videos👍🏽. Wonder if that load world shoot in my remington 700

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Probably

[@bobhamilton7472]

How fast were the 110gr accubonds going in your 257 weatherby? And how long is the barrel? Super group!!!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

26 inch barrel. Not sure on velocity. Maybe 3600 FPS

[@aaronwilcox6417]

This will be interesting to see how this turns out. Your 270win campaign had stellar results hopefully this also turns out well.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I think we will get something sub MOA with another rifle

[@travissmith-wz5nc]

@@ReloadingWeatherby try hand loading 136 hammer hunter or 150 barnes. Bet 3050 to 3150 or higher if using reloader 15 or 17. Or varget. 53 gr be good starting point. 👌 😁. Hammer nut here. Lol

[@chrisschilling9432]

Thanks for this video! I had been avoiding this ammo bc of a gun mag review where the author said he was only getting 2550 FPS. Clearly not the case! What’s your chrono set up? I’m looking to get one myself

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

This is an old cheap chronograph. Half the time I get errors. Go get a magnospeed chronograph. If you want to splurge get a Garmin Xero

[@chrisschilling9432]

Thanks so much! I love your content, keep up the great work.

[@scotthorner7709]

ps. looking forward to part 2!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Part 2 is up

[@diggernash1]

I haven't loaded StaBall in 30-06, though I have a couple pounds of it. I saw load data for 150s was compressed. Have you seen any data for 125s or 130s?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I haven't checked for 125 or 130 gr bullet data. My buddy uses a 150 gr BT with Staball 6.5 and gets over 3200 FPS with his 30-06.

[@diggernash1]

@@ReloadingWeatherby that would hit hard.

[@michealsmith4465]

Looks like the 30-06 is kicking the crap out of you

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Free recoil

[@scottscheuerman8714]

Have you ever took a bore scope and look in the bore of that model 70 to see how it looks I had bought a Remington 721 at a pawn shop and it didn’t shoot it was also a 30-06 and I have a hand-load that generally shoots really good in my other 30-06 anyway to make the story shorter I took it to a friend who has a bore scope and I discovered that the barrel has longer rifling’s on the one side of the lead and shorter on the other side meaning the chamber wasn’t cut straight to the bore and as I understand it that if it is screwed up there they won’t shoot that is why I am re-barreling it to a 280AI I’m going to do it myself since I have never built my own before

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Good idea

[@MIchigan-Savage]

I'm interested to see what the crown looks like on that model 70.

[@scotthorner7709]

I wanna try these in my tikka t3x 30-06. really curious how that 190 ABLR will do in the 1/11twist barrel. if they are accurate in my gun I think they’d be a good elk load here in Colorado a lot of energy in that bullet at those velocities! and especially at long range!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

At your elevation... it should work

[@randylong8156]

The featherweight can be pickey, but when you get them dialed, they shoot great.

[@DG2244]

I don't know if there is a classier looking rifle than the Model 70 FTW. They are like a beautiful woman, nice to look at but can be troubling at times. Nice video.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Hot crazy matrix

[@briansupermag3918]

Yup tuff day for sure. We all been there most likely.

[@crazyelk3627]

I have a sako 75 with a 1/11 twist i plan to use it for whitetail and moose but im not sure if a 1/11 will stabilized a 190gr 30-06 with IMR4350 i was thinking maybe if u i shot it slower than 2750 i will be fine i really dont know what to do (Sorry for the grammar error I talk mostly french)

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

This Winchester has a 1in10 twist

[@lenniephillips9747]

My thoughts as well, sometimes you you have to choose between velocity and accuracy. You don't usually get both. Also, I have gotten decent accuracy with the 190 grain ABLR @ .070" jump in a Browning X-Bolt,.300WM at close to maximum charge listed in the Hodgdon manual. However, when groups were fired in a minus 20° temperature change, groups opened up to 1 and a quarter inch. Still good enough for hunting to 300 yards with a steady rest.

[@jk-kr8jt]

Good afternoon RW, Regarding that M70FW 30-06. Couple of things I noticed. First the placement on the front bag changed ever so slightly during the 3 shots. Not much of a change but those Feather Weights are notoriously picky. Might be the bedding, might be the barrel "whip". Some of them are frustrating, while others are just a joy to shoot. Secondly, if would have been interesting to see a 4th or even a 5th shot (I know you didn't want to waist the ammo). I say this because I've had FW's that needed a "fowling" shot. No matter how many dry patches went down that barrel, they still needed that first shot. If the rifle was left uncleaned it was fine. I never figured out if it was the thinnest of an oil film or what. Thirdly, I had M70FW's that are pickier about bulket weight than any other rifles I've owned. Maybe, for grins, throw some 150's, 165's, 200's and 220's at her to see what she can do. Or you just have a beautiful rifle that has a ghost living in her. Unfortunately the only answer to a haunted rifle is to spend her down the road to a new home. Or an exorcism. Good luck. Cheers, Jeff

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I really need to try some flat based bullets.

[@jk-kr8jt]

True, I didn't actually think of that. Yeah, some rifle just don't like the boat tails. Remember when the "all copper " bullets came out? Some rifles just hated those.

[@patrickgarner3623]

Wow, I’m pleasantly surprised you got better than box posted ammo. May have to snag some of these next time I see them. As for your accuracy, there’s a strong chance your barrel just doesn’t like those. Seating depth changes with tangent ogive bullets, such as the AB/ABLR, ELD-M/X, etc. Will yield little to no improvement. It’s a great way to chase your own tail and waste components. I’d try changing powder first.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I'm changing rifles.

[@kjc9293]

Great 30/06 load if it will shoot. Maybe set up for a cold 1rst shot and not worry about grouping?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Possible

[@BigTimberLodge]

00:48 you look like a young Randy Travis

[@thorseim7177]

You may want to actually push those cartridges into the magazine box. The bolt on that thing I'd designed to pick those cartridges out of the box, rather than "push" feed them into the chamber.

[@user-vf2hq3xg9c]

If you want accurate readings from your Chrony make side curtains from cardboard & attach to the guide rods with zip ties. The light has to come straight down so the shadow of the bullet passes directly over the skyscreens. Looks goofy works awesome . Not good on windy days .

[@ruanschmidt6207]

If I may, I would advise adjusting your shooting technique slightly. I shoot a budget Remington 783 in 30-06 with a 22" magnum contour barrel. My load at this time is 57.7gr of local Somchem S365 powder. Even after bedding the action and stock with a solid epoxy which added some decent weight to it, it still has some serious muzzle lift off the front rest. O couldn't get a group smaller than 2.5" at 100m. After adjusting my shooting technique by holding the rifle down in the position like I would be shooting it in a hunting situation, I drastically improved my groups and have recently settled on a 0.3" group at 100m. I would shoot those same 190gr ABLR factory loads again through the same Winchester M70 rifle, but just adjust my ahooting technique slightly. I'm almost sure you'd be able to get a sub-MOA group, as the group formed a nice triangle shape on the target.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I'll have to give it a try.

[@Marcus-jg4jb]

I was thinking the same thing, looks like that's a rifle that jumps enough it might be throwing bullets in free recoil.

[@ruanschmidt6207]

@@Marcus-jg4jb that's exactly what's happening. Because the rifle has a sporter barrel and is relatively light weight with that 22" barrel, it does generate a considerable amount of extra free recoil. I watched a video of "Desert Dog Outdoors - Load Development Tips" and he explained this very issue on that video. I took to his advice on the shooting technique he prefers off the bench with a lightweight rifle setup and has definetly improved my shooting experience. I highly recommend watching that video. It has a ton of good information which I believe can help any shooter who wants to improve their load development process.

[@UngulateGuardian797]

Is your Model 70 bedded? If not, it may help it!!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Don't think it is

[@beamonk]

They have crappy bedding from the factory. I always re bed mine with it being an inch or more down from the lug. Works great usually. Still have to keep pressure off of the forend.

[@chadhaupt472]

Did you watch ultimate reloaders video on 308 entering 300 win mag territory! Insane

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I heard about it. Still need to watch it

[@jameswilson5562]

That was good velocity in 06.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Yep! Just need the accuracy

[@jacktrout5807]

Doesn't that winchester factory stuff have a weird crimp of some sort? That might be the issue. I was a little surprised with the velocity achieved but with staball 6.5 and if your at any kinda elevation not really. The most impressive thing about it is you hit "box" velocities with a factory rifle. I'd call that a partial win.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

It was a partial win...

[@jimmiebuckler997]

My new production model 70 will shoot right at an inch. I’d get rid of that gun OR swap the scope/bases first.

[@tonyZ338]

A fair bit of recoil.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Yeah this Model 70 is a pretty light rifle.

[@tonyZ338]

I tend to put a two handed hold onto the lighter rifles with bigger calibers. Otherwise they whip around too much.

[@hopefulballistics]

Pretty good factory ammo. Box published velocity was actually accurate.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Yep!

[@beamonk]

All technique with the featherweight

[@308reloader5]

nice the 30-08 needs a muzzle break

[@gsnicholas8522]

The ablr likes to jump. You seated it at 020. Try it starting at 050 and adjust from there.

[@audieladd2476]

Try using both hands and a firm grip on those rifles.

[@tylorwoloszyn9076]

So was that 56 grains 2889 with that 190???

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

56 gr got 2883 FPS

[@tylorwoloszyn9076]

Damb that’s cooking

[@blueridgeboy7721]

Loaded way to hot, that is a ticking time bomb. Dumb, and I bet a 4/5 shot string would have a worse group than a shotgun would. Especially at any long range distance.

[@randylong8156]

Also I have not had any luck with the ablr bullets in any caliber.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

My 270 Win really likes them

[@CHARLIEGRINER7654]

You should look into the wildcat cartridges made by Allen magnum he has a 257 that will spit out 110s at 3900 fps

[@CHARLIEGRINER7654]

It’s basically a 338 ultra mag necked to 257. So much for efficiency, but speed is plentiful

[@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595]

@@CHARLIEGRINER7654Is he using copper bullets? I can’t imagine most lead bullets are going to hold up to 3900 FPS.

[@texpatriot8462]

On that 1st group, it would have been interesting to see if the first shot was anomaly in a 4 shot group.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I'm not wasting anymore of this ammo on the gun. This gun hasn't been able to get a sub MOA group with any factory ammo, and even my handloads it can only muster a .8 inch group

[@phild9813]

I have a 30-06 from the 80s that I struggle a bit with and I’ve wondered if it needs an expert to bed it or something.

[@texpatriot8462]

@@ReloadingWeatherby selling it?

[@ErickaC-mc7vg]

The big take away from this video is the achieved box velocity. Meaning a person with a .30-06 can pick up a box of that ammo and if it shoots well in their rifle they don't need to tune a round to get good performance. Off the shelf performance is what i think most people want.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Yeah, just need it to group well

[@ErickaC-mc7vg]

@@ReloadingWeatherby Absolutely.

[@jaybailleaux630]

It is rare to get max velocity load to be the most accurate load, at least for me anyway. Only rifle I've owned that gets max velocity and happens to be its most accurate load is a custom barreled Remington 220 swift. It is a handload with max charge of IMR 4895 with 55 gr Noser BT. Primers show some flattening.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Unless it's a Weatherby cartridge lol.

[@jaybailleaux630]

@@ReloadingWeatherby Riiiiiight

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@jaybailleaux630 That 257 group in the video is a max load. My 300 also likes max loads as well

[@jaybailleaux630]

@ReloadingWeatherby You are a blessd man when you get the full ballistic potential of the rifle and cartridge you purchased. I hated it when your most accurate load is that of a lesser cartridge. An example is loading a 30-06 to 308 velocities or a 22-250 to 223 velocities. I love bolt action hunting rifles of reasonable weight and achieving target grade accuracy from them has been a lifetime hobby.

[@tripplebeards3427]

Never got great accuracy with accubonds testing in over a half dozen calibers with hand loads and ladder testing. .7/.8 at 100 was the absolute best. Never liked how they did on th8n skinned deer with broadside shots. Never opened up for a lot of energy dumping dropping in their track’s performance. All deer shoot with a broadside heart and lung shot either stood there after the shot or ran like they weren’t hit. Same shot placement with a good old ballistic tip will drop them in their tracks 99.9% of the time. It doesn’t shock me that it didn’t group with a darn. It seems like most bonded Boolits I’ve tried don’t group as good as cup and core. I think they just don’t expand enough inside the barrel, when going down the rifling to stabilize well enough for grouping.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I've gotten .4 inch accuracy with the 165 ABLR in my 270 Win

[@kylemartin832]

I didn't think you were hitting 2750 today with those 190s, I'm impressed. Too bad they don't shoot well. The 06 jumped on the bench way more than the 300 from what I could see 👍🙏✌️

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

300 Weatherby has a muzzle brake

[@eduardoolaechea]

@@ReloadingWeatherby Why dont you try to hold the featherweight slightly firmer and see if groups improve.

[@travissmith-wz5nc]

Hornady outfitter 3006 150 gr 3000 ft a second. Better than 140 6.5 prc.

[@thatguyfishingben4794]

it only beats 6.5 prc if its accurate enough to use.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Trying in another rifle. We will see

[@johnnorman7708]

190 grain and 2750 FPS is decent power. The bullet already has a decent reputation. Now just get a group....

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Yep!

[@stuartnash4563]

Lol can’t handle it hay,300 wyb

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

?

[@tbone-ml4ex]

Why dont you accurize the rifle. I have a mod 70 in 270win did the same thing. I did several easy things to it and now it shoots 1 inch or less.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

It's my brother's rifle. Maybe someday I will