30-06: The 6.5mm Killer!

In this video I take a Winchester XPR to the range and shoot the 190 gr ABLR Winchester ammo. We also shoot some handloaded 190 gr ABLR. I compare it to the 6.5 PRC to see how it stacks up. Hope you enjoy the video!

[@JonRangel87]

This channel is criminally underrated

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks

[@texpatriot8462]

If he renamed the channel 6.5 Reloading, his stats would go through the roof allowing him to get the coveted Sonoran Desert Institute sponsorship. 😂😂😂

[@adamshaw8214]

Probably. The sheep would be all over it.

[@BigTimberLodge]

Hahahahaha@@texpatriot8462

[@Hondayo77]

awesome the 30.06 Needs some love the 30.06 is my favorite do all cartridge. It really is the king

[@Shaggy_Rogers0001]

You got over 2,800 ft/s with a 190 grain bullet😲 I'm impressed

[@isaactrujillo76]

That’s what I was thinking!

[@thomasmarchese2808]

Welcome to modern 30-06 ammo.

[@tommyhood5900]

Modern Shoulder and Modern Cartridge Design are Hornady marketing terns used to sell their ammo. In the ranges I have hunted in my life, I see little to no benefit in changing from my 35 Whelen, 300 win mag, and 30-06.

[@hunterjohnson5635]

Yup, this. Hornady wants you to sell all of your guns in your standard calibers (.308 .270 and .30-06) and buy their AMAZING AND NEW AND GREAT AND INCREDIBLE CARTRIDGES. Mind you though, they are more expensive. Have feeding issues due to the sharper shoulder lengths and by far the biggest grievance I have is that they have much less capacity.

[@edwardabrams4972]

@@hunterjohnson5635newer is not always better😳 just more money! Oldies but Goodies🙌👏👊

[@pauldickson1495]

I got caught in 2006 with the 7mm wsm hype . Now I have a 30-06. You can bet a lot of the new cartridges will be in the same place as the 7mm wsm is in 20-30 years

[@bobmcmillen4502]

I want to own them all! (Most of them)

[@pauldickson1495]

@@hunterjohnson5635 and barrel burners . But they are better on paper. Lol. At distances that are not ethical

[@jaybailleaux630]

The 30-06 is just plain all American hero that can't beat as a do all cartridge .

[@TrapperScottyAlaskan]

You have reminded me of many things my old man taught me and helped me up my game as well. 30-06 was his favorite. I have it in Browning lever, Sako bolt, semi auto and pump Remingtons. Next is an HCAR or B.A.R.

[@johnmorganjr769]

Thank you for your effort !! 👍 🎖

[@montanamusings]

Good job with your load development! #savethe6.8western!

[@jamesbromstead4949]

I agree with you, the .30-06 can maintain it's place in the hunting world with the newer factory loads and better yet with handloads tweaked for individual rifles. Thanks for the time, effort and of course, the video.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thank you for watching!

[@michaelhennegan9637]

Good info here. Can’t wait to try it myself.

[@kylemartin832]

Dominic Toretto said it best "it doesn't matter whether you win by and inch or a mile, a win is a win" clearly past 650 the 6.5PRC kills the 30-06 in velocity, energy, drift and drop. Thank you for showing everyone 👍🙏✌️

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

If... you get those velocities I put on paper. And yes the 6.5 PRC is a better target cartridge

[@hunterjohnson5635]

Sure but that’s a maybe. Also, enjoy the lowered magazine capacity, feeding issues, mediocre performance sub 500 yards (shouldn’t take a shot past 5-600 yards in general) and barrel life. There’s truly nothing new under the sun and these Hornady bullets accomplish nothing new. The .270 and the .30-06 own the standard cartridge realm and likely will until we get laser guns.

[@kylemartin832]

@@hunterjohnson5635 oh, for you my friend, from what you said the 6.5CM sounds perfect for you. It's all you really need 👍🙏✌️

[@kylemartin832]

@@ReloadingWeatherby no such thing as a target or hunting cartridge. They are just delivery systems for a target or hunting bullet.

[@kylemartin832]

@@ReloadingWeatherby I'm just teasing ya man. Was a very click baity type title, just saying.

[@nicholasbarcomb2324]

Nice!!!! I'm going to have to do some ballistic modeling with that 6.5 StaBall powder to see if it will be worth it for me in the long run. I usually run VV N550 and N560 in almost all my cartridges. Good luck and stay safe!!! 😉😉😉

[@user-tv6ix9ro3e]

30-06 is the G.O.A.T, there’s not even a close 2nd, we’d probably be speaking German if it wasn’t for 30-06, I own 6 of them, got my first one in 1980 when I was 13, also own many other calibers including 7mm REM Mag & 300 Win Mag but I always come back to 30-06, when I need more my go to is 300 Weatherby Magnum which I own 4 & been using for 26 years & is the actual “Big Brother” to 30-06 & IMO is the Greatest & most efficient of the 30 Magnums, 30-06 Springfield is the caliber in which all others are judged by, that should tell you something.

[@LegacyOutdoors88]

Awesome work gentlemen, I was able to get to 2750 with 212 eld-x and 6.5 staball but accuracy was lacking. I switched to Reloder 19 and they shoot less than 1/2” at 2700. Unfortunately I haven’t been able to get a hold of the 190 ABLR’s. Look forward to testing them.

[@umbertoharo3841]

Spot on!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching

[@hunterjohnson5635]

I’m a big Hornady hater myself. I hate their business model shift. They also hate my beloved .277” caliber likely because of the 6.8 Western. They under-load the .270 (all manufacturers do) and won’t release quality bullets in the caliber because they themselves aren’t invested in it (funny how things change due to Hornady putting their name in the cartridge game) They are also leading the charge to change our traditional imperial units to metric because they want people to think that imperial units are outdated and uncool. Whether you think I’m schizo or not, it’s a big deal and an attempt to metrify the world in unison.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Hornady will come around eventually. Remember the military is changing to the 277 Sig Fury

[@hunterjohnson5635]

Btw I’m convinced the military chose the .277 cal because of its purely American origins. 7mm comes from Germany, .30cal from Britain, and 6.5 from Scandinavia

[@TrademarkMediaTM]

I love that after each shot the recording rang like I forgot my hearing pro. Feels like I was there with y'all lol.

[@hopefulballistics]

Nice handload!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks

[@joztunes69]

The 30-06 still holds her place even in the military

[@PencilProper]

Uh... which one?

[@joztunes69]

@@PencilProper 30-06 held her place for the longest time in the military until the 308 win or 7.62 NATO took over

[@PencilProper]

@@joztunes69 Well it use to be the main service round of USA for about 50 years until modern tech and powders led way to the 7.62. My point is the 30-06 is not relevant in any military and has not been relevant since the 50's. The 7.62 which replaced it has been in service for nearly 70 years now. It is still a great all round hunting cartridge, especially in the last 20 years when powder and bullet tech have really let it shine.

[@robertaus8420]

I am using hornady superformance 165gr in 30-06, very impressive rounds

[@SpudOutdoors]

Finished working up a load today, Kimber mountain ascent 30-06 with 24” barrel. RL17. Nosler accubond LR 190s at 2938 with lapua brass. I think once the barrel settles it will gain. Right after load test I did some fire forming and my barrel sped up another 50 fps so might have to redo the load test. But a 30-06 with 1500lbs of energy past 700 yards is nuts. 600 yards is my max.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Impressive

[@Tradmark454]

And now for barrel life. When thats factored in its over. 30.06

[@BorealEDC]

My 22 inch barreled m70 fwt is chucking 165 grain tgk's at 2930 w/58 grains of H4350. Need to work in accuracy but that's quick!

[@ErickaC-mc7vg]

If I were going after BIG game, moose or brown bear, and I had to choose, I would take the 190 grain .30-06 all day long, maybe that's just the 59 year old "fudd" in me. But I have to admit the 6.5 PRC is a pretty damn respectable cartridge with impressive ballistics and seems very versatile. I really like the 6.8 Western as well. I don't have a dog in the fight as I don't own any bolt guns, I only hunt coyotes and hogs here in Texas so I use AR rifles and pistols. I guess my "fudd" cartridge is 7.62x39, but my new hipster cartridges are 350 Legend, 300 Ham'r and 450 Bushmaster. I guess that makes me a cool "fudd".

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for commenting

[@Biglove1997]

I like my 06 but my 300 win mag is always going to be my ride or die round. Like i said before I went to 165 nosler accubond and it's right in the sweet spot for me. Can easily take deer and bear which is what I hunt and if I ever get the opportunity to get an elk tag here in PA thats what im taking out too. Only live about an hour from the Elk here been trying to get a tag for years eventually it'll happen. Might go 200 grain accubonds for those and use the rest up on bear but other than that I'll stick with 165. Still will continue with my 308 and 30-30 for deer too

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I get it. I choose a 300 Weatherby over a 30-06

[@chevyon37s]

Funny because the 190gr ABLR load he just cooked up is on par with many factory 180gr loadings for the 300 win mag, and really not too far behind many 200gr loads.

[@bobbyscott8024]

I think you're right! I shoot a 280 Rem. I had rather have the larger bullet that groups the best even if lose a little speed, especially on larger game ( such as Alberta Whitetails, Mulies or Elk) Thanks!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching

[@TomL3grandsons]

Wow! Your putting the smack on a 7mm rem as well

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Yep

[@kjc9293]

Considering the 06 piled up everything in N. America with a 180 at 2700fps(box) for over 100 years this is really an amazing load if your gun will shoot it!!!!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Yep

[@Dave-cf2ng]

The 6.5 been doing it longer

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@@Dave-cf2ng In Europe... sure.

[@Dave-cf2ng]

@@ReloadingWeatherby been killing moose and bears for a long time.

[@matts4852]

@@Dave-cf2ngso have arrows and spears, 30-06 is better for large and potentially dangerous animals

[@gunman-6646]

I like that statement, 6.5 killer!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

You know me... got to kick the hornets nest

[@gunman-6646]

@@ReloadingWeatherby Right on.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@@gunman-6646 And the 30-06 doesn't beat the 6.5-300 obviously

[@gunman-6646]

@@ReloadingWeatherby I do love my 6.5-300!

[@Yetified_Mayhem]

We having fun:)

[@ValcoBayrunner]

My neighbor killed a 70" bull moose at 50 yards up here in AK with one shot from his 30/06. Seen a video years back of a guy killing a 9ft Brown bear on Kodiak as well.

[@Eggomania86]

It would been interesting to see how this particular load compares to factory 180gr cup and core .300 Win loads.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Yeah it matches it

[@248Lt1]

What is your honest opinion of the FN made Winchesters? I've been looking for input but can't seem to find any in my area. The local gunshops only have info on the lower end Savages or the upper end Brownings. My current '06 is a Remington 700 BDL from when I was a teenager back in the mid-80s, though I'm always in the market for a midgrade rifle if I can be incentivized properly.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Seems like most of the FN Winchester guns are good. My brother bought a Model 70 Featherweight and it has been a very picky gun for accuracy

[@ajsomp]

What were you seeing SD wise out of factory ammo? Winchester has never been a go to for me when shooting precision rifle - so I’m curious for those of us who don’t reload how this ammo fairs. It seems they are the only ones loading 190s. It makes me reconsider having a 30-06 in my arsenal

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

SD of 22.5 ES 54

[@charlesa811]

Hey man, Do you have any reloading data for the Barnes 200 gr Lrx? If you do, what reloading book would it be in? Also, I saw the 212 gr Barnes Lrx needs a 1-8 barrel twist, is this true. Can you give me any info?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Go to the Barnes website. It has load data for 200 gr LRX in 30-06

[@longrangeautist6117]

Big fan of the 190 ABLR, especially in the 30-06. It’s like it was tailored for that cartridge… assuming you’re a good enough reloader to get them to shoot without going broke.😅

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I'm a fan as well. I would love to test the 168 gr ABLR in 30-06. Get a little bit better trajectory.

[@longrangeautist6117]

@@ReloadingWeatherby the 168 ABLR is what I started with in the 30-06 and I will probably stay with in lead core bullets. If you were turning out those 190s at 2700-2750 I’m sure you can nip the heels of traditional 300 win mag FB 180s with the 168 ABLR.

[@mike.hardy37]

There's a big difference in caliber between the 30-06 and 6.5 PRC. Dont know many that would cross shop between the 2. Maybe 30-06 vs 7mm RM/PRC or 6.5 PRC vs 6.5 CM

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Nothing wrong with comparing them. As you said it's a big difference in caliber.

[@mike.hardy37]

@@ReloadingWeatherby true, I enjoyed the video.

[@NCWoodlandRoamer]

Midway has the 190 grain Speer Impact in stock right now.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Sweet

[@SaddleHunter]

I’m getting over 2900fps with the factory Barnes 175 LRX out of my .30-06. Hard to complain about that.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Very nice

[@galenpedersen4755]

Would you consider pitting the 190 grain Speer Impact against the 190 ABLR? The BC's are basically identical, both are tipped, bonded bullets and the Speer is usually more available.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Haven't seen the 190 Speer Impact yet. I do want to test them

[@NCWoodlandRoamer]

@@ReloadingWeatherbyMidway has them right now for $39.99 per 50. Not bad for a bonded bullet!

[@ValcoBayrunner]

Depends how poor you are 😅 🤑

[@SpudOutdoors]

So did a test on 30-06 with a 208eldm at 2850 with rl26, 1500lbs at 900 yards. To me that beats 7prc because more frontal diameter and more weight in the bullet

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

How long is your barrel?

[@SpudOutdoors]

@@ReloadingWeatherby 24”

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@@SpudOutdoors Crazy

[@SpudOutdoors]

@@ReloadingWeatherby it is heavily compressed though. We only tried it to see what it was capable of doing. Ideally you would run it at 2775 which is still awesome.

[@nikos6220]

3325 ft-lb out of a 30-06. That is a seriously warm load, and still showing great precision. Nice! Factory ammo is usually only a tad over 3000. Have you seen any pressure signs? Thx

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

No pressure even with the 57 gr load

[@nikos6220]

@@ReloadingWeatherby wow, that’s awesome. I guess now that the hunting season is done I need to revisit my 30-06 handload 😁

[@georgezink8256]

That’s a hell of a spread ? I can’t believe your getting that much of difference

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Yeah

[@Bowhunter66]

Dont know if you've done any actual seating depth testing. I've shot several ABLR bullets in a few calibers. I have one rifle that shoots them at .020 of jump and I've got one that likes them at .130 jump. Nosler states that they like to jump and that came straight from Nosler.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Haven't tried it with the 30-06 yet

[@Freezer003]

I'd still pick the 6.5. plenty of energy, less wind drift and flatter trajectory. The 280 AI should beat both of them though. I still have yet to hear a compelling argument for larger frontal diameter, unless shooting solids. Maybe you could cover that?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for commenting

[@llamawizard]

.30-06 FTW!!! 💪💪💪

[@geejoe4506]

It's all about the twist

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

umm okay

[@geejoe4506]

@@ReloadingWeatherby Not going to get silly here but some twists favor 150 grain bullets in 30-06 but turn to shit as you get heavier. Just saying. My old M77 hated 180gr no matter how I loaded them at. My Weatherby 6.5 is a little more forgiving with bullet weight but is loaded at slower speed. It's all just a bunch of variables. Fun Vid

[@bobmcmillen4502]

Nice job using the same bullet😅. 30-06 rocks. So does the 6.5 prc. Can’t we all just get along?😂😂😂

[@victoraguilera5805]

This bullet (190gr ablr) make the old 06 a magnum cartridge in all sense

[@jamiehurtt3530]

Try RL 26 in 190 grain-210 grain ablr

[@DrewEdwardBacklas]

That is nothing to sneeze at.

[@jakeoly5109]

Absolutely right! The ol' dirty thirty has tons of life with new powders and bullets. Just doesnt have all they sales hype around it...and the guys firing it dont have douche knots on their heads. Lol 190gr doing 2800fps is impressive

[@Hondayo77]

was that action polished? seems slick like a tikka

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Don't think so

[@carlpreston1680]

That's how they are there underrated rifles mine shoots 3/4 groups with Barnes bullets and is not overly picky speed or seating depths

[@RCRWJR]

run piggies. run n' hide Piggies !

[@llamawizard]

What speeds could be achieved with a 130 gr TTSX?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

His hunting load is a 150 gr at 3200 FPS. Probably 3350 FPS

[@llamawizard]

@@ReloadingWeatherby holy smokes. Whitetails beware! Thanks!

[@Dave-cf2ng]

It’s a pretty big troll post, because under 600 yards it doesn’t matter what you pick between the two the elk or anything else is dead with a good shot. The 6.5 mm bullet has been killing big game before the 30-06, it’s a tried and true big game caliber.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I 100% would pick a 30-06 over most 6.5 cartridges. It's not that the 6.5 can't kill large game. It's that the 30-06 is better suited for the task

[@ScottGostick]

Any time you are running a ladder test if you plot your data points on a line graph and it looks like mountain peaks and not some semblance of a curve it's time to do some legwork. Ask the questions, how can this be, why is this, could I have made one or more errors along the way? 54@2696 49.92FPS/G 55@2809 51.07 FPS/G 56@2772 49.5 FPS/G 57@2821 49.49 FPS/G. I'm going to see this data and say "I've made a mistake at the bench!. What has led me to this mistake?, and what do I need to do different to be certain that I am not making mistakes?". I understand that these results can and do occur at times but in a case like this I'm starting over and if the data is not somewhat similar on round 2 it's time to rethink my processes and focus at the bench. Purpose of a ladder test is to find your sweet spots and dead spots. If that limited data has truth to it then it would appear that your sweet spot lands somewhere between 54 and 55 grains.

[@DaNewfNL]

I was wondering if maybe the 55 and 56gr loads were mislabeled. 2696/2772/2809/2821 would have seemed more to be expected. From what I've read Staball 6.5 performs better around max charges.

[@jamiehurtt3530]

It's about time somebody telling the truth Try Loading up some 210 grain ablr in 06 .a 24 inch tube pushes 2600+ fos 1748 ft lbs of energy at 600 yds

[@GeneralObeseus]

I would love a video on your thoughts and perhaps fictional data on a 257-378 Weatherby. I would love to see hot takes on cartridges you wish existed or could be improved. Lastly, I was wondering if you think we could see a 180-grain or even a 200-grain bullet for the 6.8 Western and what that would look like hypothetically! Thanks in advance for your time!

[@tylorwoloszyn9076]

Woodleigh makes a 180 grain already

[@zebacake4683]

I ran the numbers on a 25-378 at one point. I believe it would be similar to the 257 Allen Magnum. 101 lrx at 4300fps or so

[@Hummingbyrd99]

Use the 22 Eargensplitten Loudenboomer for reference. It’s a wildcat cartridge using the 378 Wby and necked down to 22 cal. The 220 Swift commonly taps out at 4,200 fps. The loudenboomer tapped out at 4,600fps. Not very efficient compared to the much smaller 220 Swift. You’re just burning so much powder and I believe the neck diameter is a real limiting factor as well. Just my thoughts.

[@zebacake4683]

@@Hummingbyrd99 the eargensplitten was tested before there was any powder near slow enough for it. With modern powders 5k fps is probably not too hard.

[@TrapperScottyAlaskan]

I have 20 rifles but never owned an assault rifle. I'm going Big

[@scottrossingnol6034]

The 30-06 is a weak 30 cal. There was a time it was definitely the leader of the pack. In today's world it towards the rear in the 30 cal world. Unless it's a family heirloom rifle there's no reason to shoot the weak 30-06. If recoil is an issue the 308 is better. If it's energy or velocity you want (over the 308) there's likely a half dozen better options. Better options that all shoot the same bullets and some that will shoot heavier, higher BC ones as well.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Some people don't want magnums and want a little more power than a 308. 30-06 is still extremely relevant

[@scottrossingnol6034]

@@ReloadingWeatherby , It's only relevant because people romanticize it. It does nothing well in today's world. There are zero advantages to the 30-06.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@scottrossingnol6034 Did you not just watch the video? Sub MOA with a 190 gr going over 2800 FPS. This comes extremely close to matching 300 WSM factory ammo. You're getting just about the same performance as a 300 WSM with less recoil, less powder and cheaper to load for.

[@scottrossingnol6034]

@@ReloadingWeatherby, All while requiring a long action to almost get there. Again, no advantages. Let's compare equal information... The 30-06 can be loaded, with published Nosler data, at around that 2750ish fps and the 190ABLR. The 300WSM you compared it to can be loaded, with published Nosler data, to 3000ish fps. 250fps isn't "extremely close". A 308 can be loaded to within 150fps of the 30-06 and that same bullet.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@scottrossingnol6034 Why is a long action bad? I honestly don't get the appeal for the argument for a short action. Speaking of 300 WSM... worst feeding I've ever seen. And my handloads with a 24 inch barrel were 120 FPS slower than the book.

[@shanerhodes925]

Please don't let the secret out about staball 65. I can find it as of now but if everyone knows about it. I will no longer be able to get my hand on it lol 😊

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I mean it's terrible

[@Dfleuryoutdoors]

Better watch out, the 6.5 crowd don't take kindly to losing. I posted a gel test with the 6.5 creedmoor and 308 using eldx bullets. Literally just shot both into gel and chronographed them. I examined the gel and showed how the 308 had a larger wound channel. I still had people saying that there's no way the 308 could have more damage because the 6.5 is superior in every way.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

They are already here

[@davidwarren3433]

At what distance was the gel for the test? .308win will have a more devistating wound channel out to 300ish yards because of the diameter of the bullet but after that, the 6.5CM will retain it's velocity from there to way out beyond the .308's capabilities. The 6.5CM has a higher BC also. For hunting out to 300ish yards the .308win is awesome but after that "6.5 CM". Hunted with the .308win most of my life and now using 6.5CM. Very happy with both and now looking at 7mm08 and 6.5prc.

[@dhooter]

Why is Winchester obsessed with nickel coated brass?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

I'm not a fan of it

[@francoisbuys8783]

I own a 6.5 prc with a 24" barrel. I dont think you will be able to push it to 3050 with a 150gr bullet. Im getting 3000fps with a 142. And Im very close to over pressure

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

My dad's 24 inch 6.5 PRC gets 3000 FPS max with the 143 gr

[@francoisbuys8783]

@@ReloadingWeatherby i got to 3080 with the 142s but the bolt lift was very stiff and the accuracy was just as bad.

[@Farmer_1776]

30-06 with 24+ inch barrels will surprise the hell out if f folks that don’t have a clue!

[@joeltucker5488]

300 PRC

[@amym828]

So if the 30-06 is a 6.5 killer, why do we have so many newer 6.5 cartridges? And you do know rifle shooting isn't always about hunting, right?

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Because our society can't handle recoil anymore

[@davidwarren3433]

@@ReloadingWeatherby Your grandfather and the one before him dreamed of a day when they would be able to shoot a caliber that was easy on the shoulder but still ethically took game at longer distances. These PRC's anmd AI rounds are the new calibers your grandfathers dreamed of having and you are putting them down. WOW! Nothin wrong with the older calibers but just WOW!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@@davidwarren3433 LOL

[@GeneralObeseus]

400 Legend vs 450 Bushmaster!

[@TrapperScottyAlaskan]

Factor in to your "home cookin" that your becoming a better shooter. I've watched your practice and focus evolve. With this kind of effort, anyone will become a better shooter. Just sayin, Brother

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks?

[@ronlowney4700]

🕵️‍♂️ SOA Online Just Did a Video on the 7mm prc, Using a 22" Barrel and Horneday's Factory 175 Grain ELD-X Ammunition! The Velocity They Got Was 2,867 ft/s? So, How Does That Compare to The Velocity You Got From the 30-06 and Your BEST Velocities With Your 190 grain Handloads in a 22" Barrel? 😁 HUMMM...😜

[@ronlowney4700]

😏 I Believe You Got 2,883 ft/s With Your 22" barreled 30-06 in That 190 grain Nosler ABLR? 😎 Thus, I Know What I Would Prefer to Hunt Elk With!!! 🤣

[@ronlowney4700]

🤠 Follow-Up Video = The 30-06: 7mm prc Killer! 😂

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

People would come with pitch forks if I made that video

[@ronlowney4700]

👨‍🏫 "FACTS, NOT FEELINGS!" People Think The Older Generation Are Just a Bunch of Angry Old "Fudds" That Don't Know Anything (Not True - At Least the Second Part 🤭)! But, the 30-06 Has Survived Many a Challenger and is Still a "Top 5" Hunting Cartridge For A Reason! It Works So Well On Every Game Animal in North America! 🦌🥩

[@ronlowney4700]

😎 No Guts, No Glory! 🏆

[@jozefmichalko7643]

👍

[@user-yo6fz3zi3f]

I love how everyones argument is well mines better after xxx yards. Ok so your argument is that once both cartridges have lost enough energy to not be adequate for large game yours is somehow better even though it has insufficient energy.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Yet... here you are doing just that

[@user-yo6fz3zi3f]

@ReloadingWeatherby wasn't directed at your video, I just find it funny how all the 6.5 prc guys immediately jump to well after 500 mine is better. Even though it doesn't have much energy left.

[@davidwarren3433]

The 6.5 will still kill animals just as dead under 300 yards. The above statement was not an argument, it was a FACT! Hunted with the .308 most of my hunting years and my 6.5 kills at the same distances as the .308 and then some.

[@cw2a]

6.5 PRC has been a disappointment from videos And Write-ups I have seen. I am of coarse bias to my 6.5/06 I made back in '95. Boxes proclaim same ta slight better then numbers I shoot. But videos have yet ta come what I call close ta box claims. 30/06 is and will forever remain the cartritage all will Compaire them selves to and many wont make the cut. Good Video man! ❤

[@davidwarren3433]

Hum, Ron S. just made a video and talked about how the 6.5 PRC was doing extremely well in mid-west long range hunting

[@cw2a]

@@davidwarren3433 I like Ron, but ya need ta remember who pays his salary.

[@davidwarren3433]

I have also watched videos of people killing elk and moose specifically with the 6.5 and hunters up North saying they have been killing large North American whitetail with the 6.5 for awhile now. Seen pictures of a guy that killed a large Grizzly with the 6.5 also. This was part of my reasearch, plus ballistics to purchase a 6.5 and I made a good choice from my findings and time with the round. Also I hunted most of my life with the 308 win.@@cw2a Get what you want but dont knock it till you try it.

[@cw2a]

@@davidwarren3433 I have owned 6.5 Sweede before my 6.5/06. Look at tge history if the Sweede and moose. Its long skinny 156g bullet penetrated to incredible distances. In not at all talking what its numbers can do on game. Im stating that yet again a Cartritage doesn't reach its claimed ballistics. This ine seems ta fall a lil eXTRA SHORT...

[@davidwarren3433]

@@cw2a When he shows videos of several long range hunts in the midwest to prove the point, it does not matter who pays his salary.

[@michaelatkin9649]

Can we all agree 6.5cm fanboys are thee worst?

[@ronlowney4700]

🤣 But, These Are the Same People Group Now Saying The Same Horneday Talking Points About the 6.5 PRC Cartridge! "USEFUL IDIOTS" Promoting the Same "Misinformation"! 🙃

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

haha sure

[@davidwarren3433]

Then why are the .30 caliber fans the ones arguing here?

[@trentsnaza3372]

So who wins in the barrel burn out category??? 6.5 prc 1500 rds, 30/06 5000 rds, 30/06 wins again!!!

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

True

[@flynnryder7798]

what drives me crazy is these channels promoting the new cartridges that compare old projectiles in the older calibers to new projectiles in the newer calibers. For example, backfire said in his 6.5PRC profile video that the 6.5 prc has more energy than a 30.06 past 160 yards. This was my repsonse..."Subscriber of a long time who loves your content, but the part about the 6.5 prc having more energy than the 30.06 from 160+ is just not accurate. If you compare a 6.5 eldx to a 3006 core lokt, sure. However, when you compare premium loadings of each, it's far from the case. I just checked Winchesters expedition big game long range loading with the ABLR for both the 6.5 prc and 30.06. All of the way out to 800 yards, which is as far as the program allows me to see, the 30.06 has more energy. If you want to talk about the merits of modern projectiles, that is great, but that is not exclusive to modern cartridges."

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Good points! Thanks for watching and commenting

[@flynnryder7798]

ive loved his channel for a few years now, but once you realize how some of these influencers are purposefully skewing data to fit a narrative, it's a bit of a turn off. It's not like someone as knowledgeable as him doesn't know what he's doing. @@ReloadingWeatherby

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@flynnryder7798 Everyone has their bias... I try my best to not be biased.. but there are a handful of times my bias comes out too

[@sinistersilverado965]

6.5 PRC wins

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

If you say so

[@jacktrout5807]

​@@ReloadingWeatherbytechnically you said so. 😏 I mean the only advantage the 06 had was slight energy at 400yrds. Beyond that 6.5 begins to walk away. ( with the data provided) Not the "most scientific" method using custom load data vs box data? Vs factory ammo. Using 1 round strings for velocity etc. However I am impressed with your handload and the results in accuracy were certainly surprising especially the factory winchester with that wierd crimp. I could see why someone might choose the 06 vs a 6.5 prc and vice versa application and personal preference applies. However I think the statement "30-06 is a 6.5 killer" is not accurate. I believe there is definitely some overlap and if someone were hunting elk within 400 yards it could be a better choice especially if the hunter has more confidence in it due to whatever personal experiences and or preconceived notions they may harbor. But I'll tell tell you that the 6.5 prc is going to kill an elk just as dead at ranges even perhaps further than the 06. Hell the 6.5 creed kills elk dead as does the 308. My niece shot a cow elk @ 400 yards with the creed 143 eldx double lung 700# cow went 30 yards. The guy I know that's shot the most elk has done it with a 250 savage ai with 80 grain ttsx @ ranges beyond 400 yards he uses a high shoulder shot. I dont understand why we as a " community" have to sh×t on each other's personal preferences and equipment. It's getting really old.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@jacktrout5807 For what it's worth I used handloaded velocities for the 6.5 PRC

[@awsomedude12345678]

​@jacktrout5807 lol did you just write a thesis to protect a huge corporations feelings? 30-06 and 6.5 prc have almost identical powder capacity. That means almost exactly the same potential.

[@jacktrout5807]

@@awsomedude12345678 what? What huge company's feelings? I have no interest in any "huge company" it's not a thesis ( theory) just my personal experiences and a smattering of facts. If that bothers you buy a coping mechanism. 🙄

[@adamshaw8214]

I hate 30-06, all of the 6.5mm, and 9mm. Those are the brainwashed people's cartridges who cant think for themselves.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Thanks for watching... even if you hate it lol

[@yousuckwelder]

Hey dough boy my 6.5 prc will do first 3 shots in same hole every time factory ammo your insane

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Every time? Liar haha How fast is your factory ammo? 2850 FPS? I'm going to guess you have no idea

[@ronlowney4700]

🤭🤣

[@davidwarren3433]

@@ReloadingWeatherby Your going to call someone you dont even know a lier and you have not even seen the guy shoot with his 6.5prc rifle to find out if it's the truth or not? You need a reality check.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

@@davidwarren3433 Will you also call Hornady a liar? One of their most famous videos is called "your groups are too small" They explain that groups will never stay small. That your group has dispersion, that you will get flyers. I get keyboard warriors that make stupid claims like they get one hole groups every time they shoot with factory ammo. I'm going to call them out on it