30-06 Springfield | 150gn Hornady SST vs Nosler BT | Velocities- Accuracy

Re testing after my 30-06 rifle repair. Velocity and Accuracy verified.
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[@joejas22]

Good video! I miss those days of everyday people buying guns at a popular store like Sears, Surgarman’s and Montgomery Wards, it was just a normal thing. On Christmas we would be passing around our new guns during family visits. Everyone was gun comfortable and gun safe, even grandma. Good times. Miss them all! Thanks!

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Glad we are still able to retain and have the normal rights of passage in our own families. The 2-A is absolute.

[@Eric--zs6um]

Glad to see its printing vg groups after repair. The 30-06 is not only a family member. Its THE GOAT.

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Yes, and Thanks for your comment here.

[@luvtahandload7692]

Some nice groups there! A 308 v. 30-06 vid using 4895 powder would be very interesting. Thanks, Dave!

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Never tried H-4895, but I heard it is good in almost all cartridges especially for reduced charges.

[@luvtahandload7692]

@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 I believe it was developed just for the 30-06 to use in the Garand. It also happens to be a perfect burn rate speed for the 308.

[@KenBlackRifleAmerica]

Some great groups on the old 30-06...I had a Sears bolt-action 30-30 back in 1966....it was a carbine and served me well in the woods of Maine and New Hampshire....thanks Dave, God bless!!

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Yes, we of the older generation grew up with state of the art rifles in their times. We new nothing else except the mass production rifles from the big companies. Good news is they still shoot well indeed.

[@davidmartin1015]

Oz here, I did comment on your previous video. I mainly have shot 150 gn. Hornady bullets in my 30.06 with good results for over 30 years. One of the reasons I always liked Hornady other than they shot the tightest groups was because when I put the on the scales there was less variation between bullet weights than any other projectile I weighed , to me that’s a great start. The other feature I like on my FN Mauser rifle is #1 Low mounted scope #2 High, Weatherby style cheek piece , I have shot a few .30 caliber rifles and have found that if you can get that snug, tight cheek fit it absorbs recoil , the wrong fit there gives the recoil a running jump at your face which doesn’t help at all. In my experience ,(which is not unlimited) flattened primers are a sign of high pressure ,i.e. you are right up there with your load.

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Glad your rifle set up works well for you and your needs. Thanks for your comment here.

[@tripplebeards3427]

Whoo hooo!!! 06 time!!!! I love the 180 grain ballistic tips. They make a mess but drop deer and bear in their tracks. I've used them in my 30-06 and 300 RUM with sub moa accuracy

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

300 RUM? You are a tough man indeed.

[@tripplebeards3427]

@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 ...that one does not recoil bad...my 375 RUM does though.

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

@@tripplebeards3427 WOW!

[@carlwilliams6300]

I remember getting the Sears catalog in the mail we always called it the wish book that’s a great old gun buddy

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Yes, those were shining times, especially the Xmas catalog.

[@bradboe1901]

I worked up great load this Summer for my 30-06 for here on Minnesota white tails, 150 gr Sierra pro hunter spitzer 58 gr of H4350 Win LR primer New Starline brass 2930 fps .730” SD of 2.8 amazing

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

That sounds like a great combo indeed. Thanks for watching.

[@DadWil]

Thanks Dave.. you just saved me a whole lot of load development... I was planing on working up so 150grain 30-06 loads using Win 760 ... thanks to you I have some load data with out firing a shot... your loads are faster than what I'll be aiming for something between 2700fps-2880fps looks like I can stay well below 57 grains on the charge for the 150s I am also planing on doing some 165gr loads with Win 760..

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Best wishes for your load development. Remember the Cardinal rule of handloading, "Start low and work up cautiously." Thanks for watching.

[@bobcatforever3485]

Dave. Good video and great groups. Looks like you are close to where you want to be. Thanks for sharing and take care.

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Thanks Bobcat.

[@RickNethery]

Awesome, I just got the notification for this video. I'm looking forward to watching it when I get a little slack time. 30 06 Springfield is my favorite cartridge, and I love the Model 70 Winchester rifle. 👍

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Thanks Marine!

[@RickNethery]

@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 You're welcome Sir

[@clintonlayne9253]

Nice Shooting Dave. It amazes me that some folks scuff at rifles labeled Sears Ted Williams . I see them at Gun Shows for far less than Winchester model 70's. Basically they are the same rifle just labeled differently. I would take the extra cash saved and apply it to a better line of Scopes or buy extra Ammunition for it. I have a Winchester Ranger in 270 Winchester. It's great. I would like future videos on the 308 compared to the 3006.

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Actually the Sears model 53 "Ted Williams Deluxe, was made by Winchester to Sears specifications that included premium checkering, jeweled bolt, high luster bluing, engraved aluminum 2 piece floor plate and premium waffle style recoil pad.

[@hoffpbass]

Certainly, I'd appreciate a 308 comparison. Great shooting considering the scope, but the improvement after getting it fixed. Beautiful rifle.

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Thanks for watching and for your comment here.

[@RogerSnell]

Comparisons are always good.

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Thanks for watching.

[@pauldickson1495]

Enjoying the videos .👍

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Thanks for watching.

[@Longtrailside]

Very nice groups. Hats off for taking that heat all morning.

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Thanks for watching.

[@lmbear]

Looking great. Another good shooting old Winchester model 70. Someone made the comment about your scope. Nothing at all wrong with that Elite 3200. I know in the other video, you say you had it for 40 years, but that scope debuted around 1995. That's when all the hype was on better coating on optics, and the rainguard on the Elite 3200 and 4200 rifle scopes was one of the best. They are known for holding zero very well, and were tested to 1000 rounds of 375H&H, to prove they were very durable scopes, as well. Nothing at all wrong with that scope or rifle. Glad to see it's shooting very well after glass bedding. Bedding is extremely important on rifles like this. For those that don't know, it is wise to glass bed your rifles, before the stock splits. Glad you were able to repair this one though.

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

You maybe right about this scope as I believe I did swap it out about near 30 years ago. Thanks for the correction, comments and for watching.

[@clintonlayne9253]

Sir I was referring to the upgrade of a Scope for MY purposes in my budget limitations. Lately I've been mounting Vortex Diamondback.

[@KellyJones-be9kn]

Thank you again

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Thanks for watching.

[@easttexan2933]

who says the post 64 winchester mod 70 don't shoot well. That's some good stuff. I sold a gun show purchase JC Higgins Model 53 in 30-06 about a year and a half ago t hat shot very similar groups. What a treasure you have in that one.

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Yes Sir, it is a keeper for many more years. Thanks for watching.

[@billhendon1017]

Love the rifle ! Like to see the 308.

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Thanks for watching.

[@lloydryan-e4l]

Put a Timney trigger in it because if you are getting 1/2 " groups with a 6-7# trigger bringing it down to 3# will make those nearly one groups hole. Just a suggestion it shoots very accurately as is.

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

This Winchester trigger is adjustable. I chose to leave it as is, because this rifle is rarely used now. Thanks for your suggestion.

[@cw2a]

Morning Dave! Good stuff. ❤❤

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Morning CW!

[@lylewalters909]

Always enjoy your videos Dave.. great shootin with the old 06 lol. Yes do a direct identical bullet comparison with the 308 and throw in a Barnes 130gr ttsx to show the difference.

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

I have not shot a Barnes all copper since the late 90's. I am told they have re engineered them for better accuracy, less barrel fouling and lower chamber pressures. I may have to give them another try.

[@lylewalters909]

Yes they have come a long way. It would definitely be interesting but remember only shoot copper with a very clean barrel. The 130gr Barnes is close to the same size/length as a normal 150 to 165gr bullet. oh ya copper must be shot with a very clean barrel not after you shoot your normal bullets. ​@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009

[@nmelkhunter1]

Great results! You obviously have a shooter in that ‘06. Thanks for sharing your tests and best of luck with the 165 Sierras. I’ve always thought that 165’s doing over 2800 fps is the ideal load for the 30-06.

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Thanks for the kind words and the tests on the 165's are finished and will be shown on an upcoming future video.

[@nicholasbarcomb2324]

I always had great luck with 165 gr bullet weight as well. For whatever reason, my rifle never cared for the 150 gr weight bullets. I believe a .308 Win vs .30-06 SPR video would be great. Good luck and stay safe!!! 😉😉😉

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

I will do a comparison with the same type and weight bullets, as the two cartridges and rifles are vastly different.

[@michaelthompson7570]

Always enjoy your vids,,more the merrier,,,,,

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Thanks for watching.

[@scotteisenbraun1581]

Very nice groups! I think you shoot better when your scope is mounted low to the barrel like this 30-06. Head cradles the stock correctly. A lot of your rifles have the scope mounted very high off the barrel.

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Thanks Scott for your observations. High scope mounts especially on the AR's is because of the stock configuration and personal preference. As for shooting better, like others I have good days and not so good days as to accuracy and my videos do indeed show those days of inconsistency.

[@usafret4709]

Great video, Dave. Definitely the Nosler BT, either load. That is a beautiful rifle. I remember as a kid, the most exciting time near Christmas was getting the Sears Christmas catalog. They had everything a kid could want. The Amazon of the 1970s. So, I am recoil shy as well due to injuries. If you drew an elk tag, what caliber would you choose from your lineup? I got rid of a HOWA 30-06 a while back. It was an accurate rifle and with a suppressor, actually pleasant to shoot. I got a custom 280 AI and I think that is my ticket for a bigger rifle. 7mm Rem Mag velocities with handloads without all the recoil. Also a + on the 308 comparison.

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

300 H&H or Browning BAR 300 Win. Mag. for elk. The 280 Rem. and the AI version are sure getting allot of attention these days with great numbers.

[@reloadingfun]

I've also seen the magnetospeed make a load shoot better. once it's removed, the groups open up.

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Thanks for watching and for your comment here.

[@pcmfmacs9087]

Hi Dave great video full of great information are they still making Winchester 760 we can’t get it here in Australia Hoo Roo Paul

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Yes, Hodgdon makes the powder under the Winchester name.

[@quinthiggins5975]

Would like to see you use stabal 6.5 in the 30-06 . Stabal match in the 308. I have seen with Speer 172 grain impact and 165 grain spbt in the 30-06 do great things like same hole accuracy and no change of point of impact between the two different projectiles. It would be interesting if to see if you can get the same type of results in 06 and 308. Velocities seem to be higher with the bonded bullet with this powder with less powder used even with heavier projectile. 2900 ft. Ps is actually achievable with this powder combination. This makes it easy to back off and keep a load right where you want it. Velocity spread seems to be a bit more with accuracy with this powder. But this really doesn’t matter with ethical hunting within 400 yards. The powder seems to really respond to seating that as far as accuracy goes to getting two different project out to hit exactly where you want them every time in the same spot without point of impact shift. It’s a nice tool to have in the cabinet with this caliber. Just wondering if you could find the same with stabal match and 308. And try match with the 30-06 and see what the differences are in the two powders.

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

I have tested StaBall 6.5 in my 30-06/25.06/.243.and 6.5 Creedmoor, although I got great speed with the 150gn projectiles (3,075fps) in the 30-06, the precision numbers were unusually erratic (ES 80-100fps) but did work well in my Creedmoors. I have not tried StaBall match in any cartridge as of yet. Thanks for your information.

[@quinthiggins5975]

I didn’t see that much velocity spread as you did , more 30 to 40 . Case fill was around 90%. I wonder if more Case fill with match would be a improvement in this with velocity close to 6.5 stabal.

[@poorfatman5317]

That first group of the Hornady. Look like. A 1/2 inch group or smaller.Yet I didn't hear you mention it

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Thanks for watching and for your comment here.

[@joelclark2130]

308 comparison please. You need a backfire recoil pad. Go check them out.😊

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Will do! Thanks for watching.

[@michaelthompson7570]

Shooting with that magneto on the end does not help,,,but looks like the critters better beware…..

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Thanks for watching.

[@nohandle257]

I'm with you on recoil. Almost didn't watch this as I don't enjoy watching people suffer. 😢 🤣

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

HaHA! If you are having a bad day, sure enough a good excessive recoil session will wake you up indeed.

[@TomL3grandsons]

I would like to see a comparison between the 308 and 3006.

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Thanks for watching.

[@IRishbuck58]

Nice groups nice old Ted Williams. This generation probably don’t know who Ted Williams was LOL😅

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Yeah but we do. War hero, batted 400, baseball HOF and avid hunter.

[@bayouknivesandoutdoors501]

Have you found the magnetospeed changes impact

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

Group size No. Point of impact is usually lower.

[@poorfatman5317]

😂 You'd be wrong. They used a 150 grain bullet. You was probably right about the powers.

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

What grain 30-06 was used in WWII? 30-06 Springfield Cartridge | World War II Wiki | Fandom 30-06 Springfield came in two forms, the M1 and the M2 Cartridges, each with their own specifications. Both had an overall length of 85 mm and rim diameter of 11.9 mm. However, the heavier 174.5 grain M1 bullet had a muzzle velocity of 807 meters per second compared to the 152 grain M2 bullet's 855 meters per second.

[@bayouknivesandoutdoors501]

You sure those arent accubonds instead of ballistic tips as they are gray tipped

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

I bought these from Nosler and they advertised them as "Ballistic Tip Seconds.

[@theoriginalDAL357]

Comparison? Sure!

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

OK.

[@reloadingfun]

magnetospeeds are known to affect group size. couldn't your gun have the potential to shoot smaller groups, and you wouldn't know it?

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

My experience is a slight point of impact shift (lower) but group size has little change. Thanks for watching.

[@reloadingfun]

​@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 Are you implying that since you haven't seen it, that it doesn't happen and you don't believe has happened to other people? just looking for clarification is all.

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

@@reloadingfun All I can relay to you is "my own experiences" and not the experiences of others. The Magneto speed meets my needs of gathering numbers as that is my priority when working up loads for precision and consistency. ie: Velocity, Low SD's, Low ES's and ruling powder/bullet combos in or out for further fine tuning and point of aim and point of impact adjustment without the Magneto speed attached.

[@pauleddy5146]

I can't use a 3 -9 any more. 4-12, 4-16 X 50 are my preferred hunting optics. Rifle looks familiar as I own a 1980 Winchester 70A 300 Win Mag. And yes, the shoulder pays a little for the privilege. And go with the 30 06 vs 308, that'll be fun too. Love the analytics on this channel. Does KZbin allow video on "how to" load? I'd like to see your process. As hard on yourself as you are about velocity, you're pretty darn accurate with all of them.

[@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009]

I use to show a complete reloading process. KZbins rules do not allow "manufacturing" of ammunition anymore. Maybe soon they will re-allow the procedure as it is instructional and a safe practice when done properly.