30-30 vs .35 Which one is better to hunt with?

[@jacklowe3788]

I own several of both calipers & like them both but the 35 will kill better & hits harder - Plain Ole 200 gr. Core locks will put the Smack down on deer & black bear! 170gr. Core locks for the 30/30 do good but 35 is a thumper - I keep 30-30 in my farm truck everywhere I go & store bought 30-30 is cheap & available everywhere - Got plenty reloading supply for 35 & have stock piled store bought ammo over the years - Really would be nice to see 35 get 1/2 the attention 30/30 gets - 35 Rem is almost an old timers secret & should have far more popularity - Thanks for making video.

[@steveww1507]

I agree 100% 35 Rem Is way under rated

[@ripplesnake]

Yeah, I totally agree the 35 has way more thump than a 30-30, that 220-grain slug from big-bore ammo will drop a bear no problem

[@craigsellier5973]

Check these 2 rifle's out at 100 or 150 yards and let's see what they do then.

[@reddawng43x91]

Idk if it will kill better, yes it hit harder but won’t penetrate deeper

[@reddawng43x91]

35 whelen is a thumper 35 rem is just a necked up 3030

[@F84Thunderjet]

The standard factory load for the 35 Remington cartridge is the 200 grain round nose bullet. I bought a Marlin 336 chambered in 35 Remington way back in 1954 when I was sixteen. Very few stores stocked 35 Remington 150 grain loads. Most hunters knew that the 200 grain bullet was by far, the best choice.

[@troyclark100]

Not by these results! Thanks for watching.

[@trentslay255]

During 20 years of shooting 35 remington and brother with a 30, the 150 grain for 35 is the tc round. Pick a speer 180 or Sierra 200 and neck size for that 35 and get the charge right and the comparison stops. I did take a doe in 2000 when I didn't have the equipment and only found a box of 150.

[@cpaoutdoors9926]

The 35 Remington is a better gun the 200 gain loads is what makes it a better hunting rifle

[@charlesmurray1220]

That was my thought. From a straight up caliber aspect not much difference. It would be more telling, more informative, if they had shown what each is capable of with the best option ammo. i.e. the 150gr vs. 200gr round. I've seen 170gr cartridges for the 35 Rem as well.

[@cpaoutdoors9926]

Look at energy bc is irrelevant in both of these chamberings the 30 30 produces around 1800 at muzzle with 170 gr bullet and a 35 Remington 200 gr bullet 2300 at the muzzle and has more sectional density

[@milboltnut]

shoulda soaked those books in water.... and the 35 is well known for it's 200 grain bullet.

[@rrock2025]

Its

[@russellkeeling9712]

My .35 is well known for its 250 grain bullet. I use 225 grain bullets.

[@F84Thunderjet]

The preferred load for the 35 is a 200 grain bullet. I hunted with a Marlin 35 for years. Most stores didn’t even carry 150 grain 35 cartridges. Also, most deer hunters who hunted with a 30-30, used 170 grain bullets.

[@JAD1225]

Sorry guys; but you should have used a 200g bullet for the 35, and results would have been totally different.

[@brianrobinson516]

hope you fellers read them books first

[@bryanyuchasz4637]

They did not

[@ianmadge8258]

That was very predictable with bullets of the same weight the sectionsl density of the 30 caliber os greater and will normally penetrate deeper than a bullet of lesser sectional density. The 35 should have used the 200 grain weight, and the 30-30 both a 150 grain bullet and a 170 grain bullet, for a more interesting test.

[@Razorback30001]

30/30 is no joke. Still 1 of my favorite caliber. And the 45/70.!!!

[@eugenejohnson8635]

Razorback30001 I like the 50-110 wcf

[@moodymac7297]

You picked the bullet designed for the 30-30 for both rifles. A fair comparison would be each in their own element. The most common round for the 35 Remington is 200 grain, not 150. Even 180 grain is a lot more common than 150. My 35 has always punched thru and thru even if I got into the shoulder on deer. Not so for my dad's 30-30. I used nothing but 200 and almost exclusively core lokts. I like the books put together, looks like it would take quite a load to lose a bullet.

[@troyclark100]

We were just comparing the two rifles with the same weight. The 30-30 out performed.

[@pensnut08]

I understand using 150s in both, but a 200 grain bullet is the most common load used in the 35 Remington. I use 150s in my 30-30 and can attest to the fact that that load is FAR better for deer than the 170 grain bullets (having used both). I'd like to see this with a 200 grain Core Lokt.

[@troyclark100]

pensnut08 I’m going to make a video on the 150 grain.30-.30 vs the 200 grain 35. Thanks for the comment and for watching.

[@patwatson7115]

I'm 46 I started hunting with the 35 at 10 gift from my grandfather,all I use is 200 gr ammo in it the 150 gr was designed for Thompson center 35 rem pistols but I'm also a wild boar remover here in Florida, and when you're life is on the line the 35 won't fail I've killed everything from hogs to elk with my 35 one shot 3030 is a good round but doesn't have near the on game performance as the 35

[@cottonman1973]

I use a 35 hog hunting as well

[@SemperParatus1234]

.35 Remington 150 Core loc is what I use in my contender super 14" pistol. With a 200 or 230 it hurts the shooter. But for hunting with a rifle 150 is fine, but 200 or 230 is what I would choose.

[@garyh1449]

I would say for hunting purposes, the 35 Rem is the clear winner. The penetration was just marginal between the 2. The 35 had more energy to push a 35 cal. bullet the (almost) same distance as the 30 caliber bullet.

[@pseudopetrus]

I never see 35 in the stores around my place, but lots of 30 30. So 30 30 it is!

[@6.8SuperDutyDriver]

I have Marlin 336's chambered in both rounds. In my opinion, the 30-30 does best with 170 gr. round nose bullets and the 35 Rem. does best with 200 gr. round nose bullets.

[@russellkeeling9712]

I own an old model 94 Winchester in 30-30 cal. It seldom leaves the gun safe now days because of its value. It cannot be compared to my .35 caliber because my 35 is a .35 Whelen in which I use 225 grain bullets traveling about 2800 fps. No comparison between those two.

[@aldeureaux5184]

I have owned and love both. Normally a deer shot with the .35 is DRT. Step up to Buffalo Bore and the .35 is a different animal.

[@Razorback30001]

30/30 is a wonderful caliber round. In fact it's 1 of my favorites.

[@airbornesoldieramerica7125]

I own both. Not bad mouthing the 30-30, but just speaking for myself, I like the 35 Rem better. I do think the 30-30 is a better long distance round, and the 30-30 is a real fun shooter, but for a big game hunting round I would take the 35 Rem. And from what I read some were it was also John Browning actually came out with the 35 Rem. Then it was Texas ranger Frank Hammer used the 35 Rem to track down Bonnie and Clyde. Sad that this round lost its popularity, from calibers like the 222, 223, 5.56, 243, and now the 6.5 Creedmore etc..... And according to the book Cartridges of the World (which is one of the most reliable books on this ) it says that the 35 Rem has much more knockdown power at any distance then the 30-30 has.

[@troyclark100]

AirborneSoldier America we were just showing the damage and penetration of the same brand shell with the same grain bullet and this is the true outcome. You can see in the video!

[@moodymac7297]

@@troyclark100 What is the point of shooting one rifle with its designed bullet weight and handicapping the other by not shooting it with its designed weight? I do not ever recall seeing anyone (other than at the range) using a 150 grain bullet, it was not designed for it.

[@dr.froghopper6711]

A 200 gr bullet in the 35 will hit harder and leave a bigger hole to bleed through. Comparing a 170 gr 30-30 with a 200 gr 35 Remington would be much more informative.

[@robertwalters4676]

Both are great guns and will get the job done. The 30-30 is a bit faster than the 35 so all your test are doing is verifying that fact. Speed kills but I would not want to be on the receiving end of the 35. The 200 grain 35 is what most folks like and not the 150 grain, which will yield more damage than your demonstration. Especially the Hornady leverevolution 200 grain.

[@leedaily2766]

Not a fair test. 200 gr. Is pretty much standard for the 35. Not that there is really that much difference in the guns. Deer probably can't tell. People shoot a 35 because they can use a heavier bullet. Very poor realistic comparrison.

[@Mythologic_Exotics]

Why you’d compare the two guns with the same exact grain is a little confusing. Shoot a 200 grain out of the .35 and do it again.

[@MisterBrewer]

Thanks for the video. I expected that with the same weight bullets in the different calibers. Please do another video some time and use 200 grain 35 rem with your choice of grains for the 30-30. 😊

[@MisterBrewer]

Subscribed!

[@steelgila]

In conclusion they will both kill the s@%^ out of anything out to 200 (300 on smaller game) yds. As the other comments have pointed out employ 200gn or heavier bullet or what's the point in using a caliber which is essentially designed to improve on the earlier model by way of handling larger heavier bullets. We are waiting for the retest!

[@bobbymitchem]

One problem I see with the test which can explain why the 30-30 penetrated deeper is because the encyclopedias were propped up on the board with the 35 shot and they absorbed some of the impact when they where knocked off the board. The 30-30 was shot with the encyclopedias completely resting on the ground and did not absorb as much impact. It would be interesting to see the outcome utilizing 2 different sets of encyclopedias under the same conditions. There could have been more of an air gap between the pages after the first shot causing the 30-30 to penetrate deeper as well. But those are nice guns I love my 1960 Marlin 336 35rem!

[@troyclark100]

Bobby Mitchem I own both .30.30 and the .35. The 35 is more sentimental to me because my grandfather bought it new in 1954 and it was passed down to me. I love the 35 better too. I think that the 30 caliber is one reason it went deeper than the 35 caliber as well as the ballistics for the .30.30 has 2390 muzzle velocity and 1902 foot pounds of muzzle energy. The 35 has 2300 muzzle velocity and 1762 foot pounds of muzzle energy. These numbers tells me that the.30 .30 should have more pen titration than the 35. I thought it would be a different outcome too.

[@bavarianbrit1]

Not a good advert for the core-lokt as they fell apart and did not drive deep.

[@homesteadinarental]

use the 200grn bullet that's what .35 was designed for... 150grn was for T-C pistol... both on them i've killed deer w/ .35 does it better..

[@Daniel-xq7ny]

Yep and on black bears also. Its only a question of logics. .358 vs .308. 200gr vs 150 or 170 gr.! ;)

[@Daniel-xq7ny]

@Ross Cox similar yes. But look at the very low sectional density of the 300 gr 45-70. Its way lower than a 30-30. But on black bear I would still want a bigger hole. So to solve this case, I chose a 125 grains, 2.5" cut Swhackers broadhead with a 380 f/s excalibur crossbow. ;)

[@cpaoutdoors9926]

Don't matter I've been hunting the big woods in the notheast with a marlin 336 in 35 Remington for 38 years and i wouldn't trade my public land or my marlin for any wiz bang bullshit it just plain kills within 1 step whitetail and black bear it would use my hanloads on grizzly all my 35 s remington 7600 35 Whelen and Ruger m77 358 win marlin 336 35 Remington

[@Daniel-xq7ny]

@@cpaoutdoors9926 i just love that extra that the 35 rem as over the 30-30 period.

[@Daniel-xq7ny]

@Ross Cox if its for bear defense, well its something else here. Im talking hunting. I dont need any defense against bears.

[@Pixx4you]

At last . . ! A use for that old set of encyclopedias.

[@Alleghenytracker35rem]

First of all no one use a 150 grain bullet for the 35 200 grain

[@jeffreyhall2136]

.30 cal bullet that is the same weight as a .35 cal bullet is going to penetrate further in material because it is narrower than the .35. Less resistance, no surprise here.

[@richardkev3077]

Comparing apples to oranges. The .35 sectional density at 150 grains is significantly less than the .30-30 with a 150 grain. Want a decent comparison? Run the test again using a 200 grain in the .35 and a 150 grain in the .30-30. Or, use a 150 grain in the .35 and a 110 grain in the .30-30. Otherwise, you're giving a huge advantage to the caliber with higher sectional density.

[@troyclark100]

That was the whole point was to shoot the same grain bullet with a 35 caliber and a 30 caliber I know if I had 200 grain in the 30-30 it would have penetrated deeper an the same goes for the 35 too.

[@dannylandrum7899]

This is ridiculous - no one used a 150 gr bullet in 35 rem - compare apples to apples - compare a 150 .30-30 to a 180 .35 rem, and a 170 .30-30 to a 200 .35 rem.

[@troyclark100]

Danny Landrum we compared apples to apples with the same grain bullet period! If you compare different grain bullets with each other then that isn’t showing the true ballistics of the two bullets. How is that ridiculous?

[@blaws6684]

Danny has a good point. Your test doesn’t take into account the differences in sectional density, which frankly is often overlooked. The SD of the 150 gr bullet 35 rem will reduce penetration significantly compared to the narrower 30-30 round. If you weigh the lead you recovered you’ll find the 35 fragmented a lot more. Also the type and design of the bullets could be a contributing factor if you hadn’t used corelokt for both. That being said , I own both and enjoy shooting them at paper or venison. As suggested a more realistic test would be 180gr 35 vs 150gr. 30-30. If you were comparing a 270 to an 06 you wouldn’t use the same weight bullets right?

[@steelgila]

@@blaws6684 And I probably don't need to keep harping on it but I think the people at Remington must be smoking crack or something to load such a light bullet in a larger caliber cartridge which they used to load nothing lighter than 200gns(180gns be damned and all). It nullifies the whole purpose of the existence of the .35 Remington which should be closer in power to ctgs like Win. .38-55 and Win. 375 instead of Win. .30-30. But that's just this guy's opinion.Come to think of it they kind of did the same thing with their .444 Marlin ctg which they originally loaded with 265gn bullets but later loaded lighter 240 gn bullets which hunters complained would often frag on impact of big game at those scorching velocities.

[@1969darr]

@@steelgila A 77rg. Sierra MK fired out of a 30.06 using an accelerator would easily go through all the books 3700 FPS and heavy jacket. I would not use it on moose or elk though, 35 Rem yes.

[@ashmerch2558]

@@troyclark100 because its an issue of sectional density, nog just sheer bullet weight.. duhh

[@mongosafariadventure]

Nice job to handicap the .35 Rem. with a 150 gr bullet.

[@cottonman1973]

You need the 200 grain bullet in the 35. The sectional density is a lot lower in a 150 grain 35 than 150 grain 30 cal.

[@robertlevine9127]

Great video I jest got a nice marlin 30-30 win and can’t wait to hunt with it

[@Ecoboosttookadump]

It was like watching a sloth build a bridge🤦

[@jasonsimone3523]

Try the 200 gr. 35 rem core-lokt

[@troyclark100]

We'll do another video with 200 grain bullets. Please subscribe and you will be notified of the new video. We are using the exact same bullets and same grain bullets in the guns that we use to show the true comparisons. People can draw their own conclusions and may help someone choose a rifle that would best suit a hunters needs. Thanks

[@roadrunner7828]

@@troyclark100 I thank you for your time putting together the video. However, as a bullet grows in diameter it has to get heavier to retain its penetration. Using bullets with closer sectional density will usually yield a different outcome. Perform this again with 170gr 30-30 bullets and 200gr 35 Remington bullets. That test may have similar results, but these are possibly the most common ammo choices for each rifle. Both calibers have been putting meat on the table for decades so it's really which one you personally like more than which one is more powerful.

[@SlickCat]

Who needs a bullet proof vest, just carry three books......lol

[@timhallas4275]

You failed to take into account the actual energy delivered on target. Rem 35 is normally a 200 grain bullet in a hunting round. That one carries more terminal energy at 150 yards than the 30.30. That is why they cost more.

[@garypowell9006]

The 35 was on books on a board. The 30-30 was on books on the grass.

[@bigtorquehemi]

Who buys a 35 in a 150 grain bullet?...

[@ungovernableevilmonger4660]

Encyclopedia editors.

[@troyclark100]

WorshipGuitarPlayer why do companies make and sell 150 grain bullets for the.35?

[@bigtorquehemi]

@@troyclark100 I don't know.

[@davidrussell631]

Even if you’d tested the .35 Rem with 200 g. bullets like 99% of folks hunt with, encyclopedias aren’t exactly a medium comparable to deer, any other game, or a human intruder. But I get it. What else were you going to do with them when you have Wikipedia and Mama wants to clear the shelves? Lol

[@Oldclimber1]

Wow! I've never seen a deer that was composed of encyclopedias. Can't imagine they taste that good.

[@shawndoe2834]

Thanks Guys - Awesome Video

[@troyclark100]

Thank you.

[@mkshffr4936]

I suspect that the results would be noticeably different had you used projectiles of roughly equal sectional density.

[@thebigfellar7178]

They used same model rifle ,and same bulits same company same everything 30-30 won.

[@mkshffr4936]

@@thebigfellar7178 I am a big fan of the .30-30 but penetration is typically a function of sectional density given similar bullet construction and velocities. Using the same weight gives the .35 a somewhat lower SD. Just thinking it would be interesting to test using bullets of similar SD. In a similar vein a 7-30 waters in 150 grain loading should penetrate a bit better than the 150 grain .30-30.

[@thebigfellar7178]

@@mkshffr4936 I had the 7-30 never impressed me much. I should listen to the natives of Alaska ,everyone carries a shotgun up here . It ain't like t.v. or the movies . That's all you see up here , everyone carries a shotgun . It's a rare day you ever see a rifle and if you do it will be a lever gun in 30-30. The king of the pistols is a 44 mag , everyone and their brother carries it. Pawn shops and gun stores are loaded with 500 ,460,475 Limbaugh etc. Try finding a 44 mag, lol. I watched a video the other day on a 20 ga slug unbelievable damage. Then they shot Rio 4 buck ,41 pellets nothing could live thru 1 round, nothing. I think a lot of times we forget the basic's . Peace.

[@mkshffr4936]

@@thebigfellar7178 that makes sense. The .44 would be the heavy hitter with the best selection of factory loads available. .45LC is a great round but mostly a handloading proposition for best performance. I imagine supply chain is a big consideration in the big A. A 12ga is so versatile too. About the only thing it can't do is long range sniping.

[@gatesmw50]

Interesting comparison. If I had known you were doing this test I would have happily sent you my high school ALGEBRA text books. I would LOVE TO SEE them get shot for all the bad memories I experienced with them LOL!

[@boostimalaka1]

This test was impressive and would steer everyone to a 30-30 because of the results. This test does not help when it comes to hunting deer, black bear or other big game. Many hunters use the 30-30 and harvest deer every season. Most experienced hunters will recommend the 30-30 using 170 grain loads for deer hunting because of the sectional density needed to get through the vitals breaking bone etc. The 150 grain 30-30 load will not have the same results, unfortunately. A good broadside hit to the vitals from a 200 grain .35 Remington will adequately penetrate a large size deer or bear. I prefer the .35 Remington for it’s ability to harvest any big game animal at 150 yards. The 30-30 when loaded with 170 grain is very capable out to 150 yards. If I want 200-275 yards from my rifle. I use the Hornady Leverevolution ammunition.

[@reddawng43x91]

Sry but 35 rem is not a 275 yd big game cartridge no matter how u load it

[@troyclark100]

Evidently we have people on here commenting on the video without even watching it! Said "not even close"! You didn't even WATCH it!!!! You can see that we were fair with each shot. Both Marlin 336's both 150 grain Remington core lock bullets. Just look at the books and the indentures that both made! Maybe the books were thicker on one side :)

[@blaws6684]

Indentations Old folks are indentures. :)

[@russellkeeling9712]

I believe those books would be more dense than a tree trunk the same thickness.

[@doncrocker916]

Well you only have to hit your game once with a 35 Remington and it's down!!!

[@troyclark100]

We agree!

[@steelgila]

And when one has the right ammo, like 200 grain bullets or heavier, then what you say will surely come to pass! The difference in down range terminal ballistics between the .35 Remington and the .30-30 Winchester may not be all that much but there's bound to be some!

[@nathancaldwell3949]

Still waiting on the updated video to this!

[@davhuf3496]

35 Remington with 150 grain? Not the 200 standard load?

[@johnparrish9215]

35 Rem 200 grain round nose, a very reliable killer. I can't say the same for the 30/30

[@troyclark100]

I own both and like both! I'm not putting the 35 down but I'm just showing which one does the most damage and goes the deepest in whatever it is shot into. I was using the same grain bullet as well as the same brand of ammunition. I even used 336 marlin lever action rifles for both! How much more fair can you get than that? The video says it all! Besides the ballistics for the .30.30 is 2390 muzzle velocity and has 1902 foot pounds of muzzle energy. The 35 is 2300 muzzle velocity and has 1762 foot pounds of muzzle energy. You can't argue with that now, can ya?

[@blaws6684]

30/30 has put more meat on American tables than any other cartridge made. I own both and use them regularly

[@johnparrish9215]

@@blaws6684 That is True. It is also true that more wounded game have been lost to the 30/30 than any other.

[@blaws6684]

Proof required.

[@stalliontheone5943]

@@johnparrish9215 all has to do with shot placement which I'm sure you know that also the range could have been a lot which also I'm sure you have considered

[@Sparky6string]

Thanks for the video guys!

[@troyclark100]

KassperT Thanks for watching!

[@mathewgoebel4078]

I have both. Calibers the test is not surprising the smaller diameter bullet. It's gonna get better penetration. The 35 Remington guys that are upset got to realize bigger diameter. Bullet is? Gonna. Do? More damage.

[@hungryyeti2548]

Not sure the 35 comes in 150 gr , I could be wrong

[@SemperParatus1234]

Both cartridges are deer hunting staples and work fine. 30-30 price and availability are ahead in the selection. Bullet weight choices goes to the .35 Remington. Either way you are doing fine in the woods. I can honestly say I never had a shot in the woods past 75 yards. So I can't say how either would do out in the plain states. But where I've hunted either is fine.

[@edwardweiszbeck1649]

Awesome very accurate comparison by using encyclopedias. And excellent clamping systems. And same guns so a very controlled experiment. Well done 👍

[@stevenhill1439]

I shot thru 4 plates with 1977 35 Marlin vs 2 plates with 30 30 Marlin newer version

[@troyclark100]

Was it with the same grain bullet?

[@GeeMoney-tf2fu]

Use the 200 gr 35 round. Of course the 3030 will drive better thank the 35 seeing it’s a smaller bullet with the same juice behind it

[@oldironrecycler]

Your data would suggest that you shouldn't hunt deer in a library.

[@mathewgoebel4078]

There you go. I've. Heard Of. stick in a book in your pants. When you're gonna get a spanking when you're a kid so cavalier eat your heart out.

[@danadouglass9028]

Didn’t see a side by side comparison of the 2 bullets

[@troyclark100]

We should have gotten a closer view of the two bullets. In the future we will.

[@ingelri2]

I would be curious to know what the muzzle velocities were on the two different rounds.

[@troyclark100]

Okay the .30.30 is 2390 muzzle velocity and has 1902 foot pounds of muzzle energy. The 35 is 2300 muzzle velocity and has 1762 foot pounds of muzzle energy on the exact same bullet! Thanks for asking!

[@ingelri2]

So, the extra 90 fps combined with the slightly smaller dismeter bullet explains why the 30-30 penetrated just slightly better than the .35 in your test with the same weight bullet. Your results would probably be closer if you tweaked the .35 load to give you that extra 90 fps. Good comparison, though. I own both so it was interesting to watch.

[@steelgila]

@@troyclark100 I'm just wondering if Remington no longer makes the 200 grain SJRN bullets for that caliber any more. Making such a .30-30 light bullet,which the .30-30 can fully exploit the potentiel of, for a rifle that was meant to have more killing power utilizing a larger heavier projectile sees to be a real step backwards in their thinking. It was an interesting comparison though for bullets of the same mass and ballistics but different in bullet diameter.

[@permaguard3166]

Good stuff. Thanks for vid.

[@ReloaderJoe]

Well that was a surprising outcome.

[@steelgila]

What was surprising to me was that anyone would produce such a light bullet in the .35 Remington cartridge! It's chief feature is to be able to launch a larger heavier slug in the .30-30 class lever-action calibers. I would expect inferior results in a .35 caliber with the same mass as a .30 caliber. Used to be store bought .35 Rem. ammo started at 200gns and went to 250gns. Now add that to the larger caliber frontal striking zone and you will have a larger caliber version of the .30 caliber with significantly more knock down power(not taking anything away from the .30-30 I have one too and I doubt .35 will kill anything that .30-30 wont.) We should expect to see a larger wound channel with the .35 but greater penetration with the .30. Get some ammo in .35 in the 200gn weight and run that test again. We might see some more intriguing results !

[@phmj]

Well done, a no nonsense slick operation, I always thought 35 had a edge, not anymore

[@reddawng43x91]

You just but hurt all the .35 fan boys! 🤣

[@stevenhill1439]

35 has more of a punch I own both your using wrong grain bullet

[@campbell0162]

The 30-30 actually has more punch. I have used both cartridges to kill whitetail in the backwoods of New Brunswick and the 30-30 seems to cause more internal tissue damage then the .35 and in addition to that, every deer i have shot with a 30-30 (170gr bullets) out of a Winchester 94 has dropped in it's tracks dead unlike the .35 the deer will run off about 15 to 20 yards. 30-30 is hands down more powerful using 170 gr pills

[@j.rob.5943]

@@campbell0162 nonsense. A 200 grain bullet flying just as fast as a 30-30 170 grainer will outperform the 170 every single time. Just physics.

[@campbell0162]

@@j.rob.5943 very incorrect statement. The 30-30 is a lighter, thus faster bullet travelling around 1390 fps, where as a 200 gr .35 rem is only going 2080 fps. The .35 might leave a slightly bigger hole, but the 30-30 exits almost everytime I've shot deer, even after hitting bones

[@marcogram1216]

Upvote but what a waste of books. Don't depend on the internet.

[@thebigfellar7178]

I'm eye balling a 35 rem , and a 35 whelen , and a 30-06 all have their up's and downs . I'm kinda wanting to go with the Whelen since the sky is the limit as far as critters go . It can be used for everything . People say the same for the other 2 , but it's not true, I'd like to compliment ya'll , I don't think it could be much fairer then that demonstration . And remember bad comments are good too. Peace..

[@thebigfellar7178]

@Ross Cox I'm actually in Va.

[@thebigfellar7178]

@Ross Cox No problem , nice to have crossed paths

[@ghunt09]

35 without watching the video...its not close

[@musiq04]

The video says different, The 30-30 had much better penetration than the 35 due to the smaller bullet diameter and had more energy as well. Theres no arugement with the facts shown in the video.

[@ghunt09]

@@musiq04 crazy...i dont believe everything in videos. 35 is far superior to 30-30 ballistically. Look it up....30-30 old and everyone's dad or grand-dad had one. Really just a ok round and needs to stay inside 100 yards.

[@heathercherie82]

@@ghunt09, upon further investigation, I discovered that the ballistics were as follows; .30.30 is 2390 muzzle velocity and has 1902 foot pounds of muzzle energy. The 35 is 2300 muzzle velocity and has 1762 foot pounds of muzzle energy on the exact same bullet! As you stated previously, look it up...

[@ashmerch2558]

@Jacob Roy its an issue of sectional density... try the traditional load in 35 i.e. the 200gr bullet and it'd be a different story... deal with that

[@ashmerch2558]

@LeverAction Gypsy that guy doesn't know his @$$ from a hole in the ground

[@robertpalmer7100]

Good job gentlemen

[@johnnorman7708]

They are probably more similar than we would like to admit. There is no advantage on deer size animals since deer are so ridiculously easy to cleanly kill with about anything. On heavier than deer size game the .35 with 200 grain bullets would intuitively seem to be the better of the two when comparing conventional bullets 170 grain .30 vs 200 grain .35s....but there are so many minor variables up, down, and sideways that can tweak the terminal results. If stuck with factory loaded ammunition, it's pretty obvious that the .30-30 has been refined and developed far beyond the ammo available for the .35. Probably an unfair technological developmental advantage to the .30-30 no matter what point or performance criteria you were attempting to demonstrate or prove. The .35 is probably best with the 200 grain bullet as opposed to the 150. It's pretty impossible to not get picture perfect bullet performance with such a bullet at the speeds it runs. Much the same can be said of the 170 grain .30-30 bullet. You run out of bullet destroying velocity long before you run out of bullet. As for the lighter 150s in either cartridge, the 150 grain ..30-30 bullet will very likely show significant superiority over the 150 grain .35 due to sectional density and ballistic coefficients alone. It would be VERY interesting to see maximum performance handloads between the .30-30 and .35 tested. The Speer Hot Core 170 grain .30 vs the Speer 180 grain Hot Core .35 is a test I would love to see.

[@keithsage7258]

I have killed moose with my .35 Marlin sc..14 moose over the years I have hunted..Canada.

[@musiq04]

Yeah the 35 is a great caliber and is extremely effective. The only thing we are saying was that our results suggested that the 30- 30 has the advantage between the two. That is not to say that they are not both good calibers.Thanks for watching!

[@keithsage7258]

I agree.

[@steelgila]

Thanks for your comment. Not many of us can say we have the experience of serious North American big game hunting like that and ultimately it's the hunter who has sampled different calibers in the field who has the last word in the matter and if we're smart we will defer to his experience.

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[@theowenssailingdiary5239]

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[@talisikid1618]

Total waste of books though.

[@jorgebustillos4354]

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[@badgerstate3451]

Answer: Neither.