30 Super Carry Ballistics Test! This is a serious hotrod!

[@dennisrankin9508]

I am a retired Police Officer. I got a Shield in 30 Super Carry, then I found a new Shield Plus in 30 Super Carry. The Shield Plus has great sights. I got the new Equalizer in 9mm. I shot them both and enjoy the Equalizer but the 30 Super Carry has better follow up shots!! Not going to get rid of the Equalizer but will EDC the Shield Plus!! Thanks, started my career with an N frame Smith-Wesson and end my twilight years with the Smith-Wesson Shield Plus!!!!

[@SwampOperator]

" retired government thug" There I fixed it

[@perseusrex614]

superb new round. Better than the 9mm IMO. But blasty indeed...

[@hey1010101010929384]

Appreciate this comment! Great getting insight from actual product users.

[@Whocares57424]

Thanks for your service. Retired FF myself and enjoyed working with local PD.

[@troygoeckerman5712]

I have personally concealed carry the 30 Super Carry for nearly a year now. Knowing that you have an easily concealable weapon with 17 lethal rounds of ammunition inside your waistband is very satisfying.

[@MrTdogg175]

I carry the Shield 9 Plus, and in the summer I have a 13 round 9mm mag, 14 in the gun, and a 15 round backup equalizer/ shield plus mag. So 29 rounds of 9mm HST’s. In the winter with sweatshirts I carry two 15 round shield plus mags, aka 31 rounds of 9mm HST’s. And 9mm still packs a bigger punch even in wound channels. 30 super carry did surprise me however so maybe with future advancements in ammo technology, we’ll see it do even better, but then again those same advancements can happen in the 9mm cartridge as well and well.. then 9mm would still perform better. 30 SC is no slouch though I’ll give it that, I still wouldn’t change from 9mm though, it’s tried and true and proven and makes damn sure if you hit your target, they go down. 30 hasn’t been as tested in the real world yet, citizens are kinda the initial testing ya know? Sadly it’s gonna take deadly situations to know how effective it really is against a threat. Don’t think it’ll dethrone 9mm anytime soon for that reason.

[@johnjenkins6653]

I personally like the new cartridge. It has low recoil but the percussion is intense. 30 super carry is fun to shoot. I carry the shield plus 30 super carry with 16 rounds and one in the chamber. I don’t feel under gunned while carrying it and trust my life with it.

[@Gabriankle]

Military Arms Channel has done a lot to capture that percussion in audio.

[@merylpelosi1704]

In Colorado, I have to put an ear plug in the bottom of the 16 round magazines to cut capacity to 15 rounds to meet our state's high-capacity requirements. Carrying with one in the pipe brings it back to 16 rounds legally. This apparently makes sense to some.

[@Dark_Glockz]

@@merylpelosi1704you can have 16 round but don’t you DARE have 17 🤦‍♂️

[@nosaltadded2530]

I love it. I've had my M&P Shield inn 30 Super Carry for several months now. Can't wait for other manufacturers to field some guns in this caliber as well.

[@dgdinwiddie]

I'd actually like to see a full size in 30SC, 20 to 21 rounds in a flush fit mag sounds really nice.

[@patrickbolding9729]

A sig MACRO in 30SC with flush fit 20rd mags would be sweet.

[@22640cal]

A super small carry gun and a full size with ridiculous capacity would make this cartridge take off

[@ramonandrajo6348]

30 Super Carry is a gimmick, not worth it.

[@ramonandrajo6348]

@@patrickbolding9729 30 Super Carry is a gimmick, not worth it.

[@smokingcrab2290]

I've been thinking about the 30 super. Seems to basically be just another 9mm but slightly smaller. What I've been thinking is what if you down load the powder charge for the 30 super to make the recoil much less, then it could be basically the new and improved 32 acp without a rim to make feeding much easier and shooting far more pleasant.

[@EternallyThankful-os6pz]

I am absolutely sold on this round because of its comparable performance with the extra capacity in the same footprint... GREAT OPTION !!!! If HK and or Sig make a subcompact in this offering , I will be ALL IN...and I'd switch out everything I currently carry to do it !!!!

[@gunlover5564]

Why are you screaming!!!!!?????

[@dhgate2]

I'm a big fan of .32's and I've always thought a .32 (.312) super would be a great idea. I'm very happy to see that its finally happened. 17 rounds in a concealable pistol is an extremely attractive package. I'm waiting until a few more guns are chambered for it to take the plunge but will certainly do so. Your reviews are among the best--articulate and informative. Keep up the good work!

[@jeffreyjackomin6367]

Thanks for the review - It is nice to hear some positive and honest insight into the 30 Super Carry. I have had several customers come to the range with the Sheild Plus 30sc and they loved it - the only issue was getting ammo and the cost. Also, Nighthawk Customs builds 1911 around the 30sc.

[@ramonandrajo6348]

30 Super Carry is a gimmick, not worth it.

[@killacoiler1707]

My local shop has plenty of 30 SC in stock and the price is only about 1.50 more than 9mm for the same round count so I do not see it as a huge deterrent in getting into the Caliber. I would like to see this in a 4" barrel and compare the ballistics and recoil impulse. The other thing I would like to see being that it is a Federal round to begin with is some lipstick rounds for practice ammo. I bet that out of a 4" barrel that little bugger is trucking right along.

[@imthatguy1878]

@@ramonandrajo6348 then don't buy it, I think it's great for those in countries where they can't have military calibers or where one wants a few extra rounds in a subcompact

[@ramonandrajo6348]

@@imthatguy1878 Whatever, dude. ;)

[@imthatguy1878]

@@ramonandrajo6348 gee troll every vid you comment on you get the same responses from people, you'd think you'd figure out why or you just love being a cuck

[@michaelkerr9682]

I bought a Shield Plus in 30 Super Carry and I love it. It's fun to shoot and extremely accurate with the CT MRAD green dot.

[@justjosie0107]

Would LOVE to have a Sig 365 in 30 super carry!

[@sasquatchexperience5994]

Sadly they only make it in 9mm😢😢

[@justjosie0107]

@@sasquatchexperience5994 I know 😢

[@stephansmith3570]

with 30% more capacity, the Sig X macro would be able to hold 22+1 It truly is a wonderful time to be alive

[@countryboyguns]

Maybe I'm weird, but it would be cool to see a Glock 17 and 19 in .30 SC. I wonder what the capacity of those guns would be in that round...

[@AlaskanBallistics]

You're not weird... you just like cool stuff

[@MandoWookie]

Glock 17 probably 20 rounds, G19, maybe 17-18.

[@agoogleuser2369]

What Glock needs to do is ditch the metal liner and develop a full metal magazine that would greatly increase the number of rounds inside those magazines. S15 magazines are a great example of that. 50% more rounds same size magazine on a Glock 43X.

[@ggrandcz]

@@agoogleuser2369 No it would not.G17 and other double stack pistols are already double stack. G43X/48 are 1 to 1,5 stack, that is why S15 do the magic.

[@thebushbunker]

@@AlaskanBallistics right, I'd get one if glock offered it.

[@friedpork_owl]

Absolutely need this in more firearms. I think Springfield Armory’s EMP line would be perfect & I can’t wait for this caliber in carbines. Cheers

[@KyngBRR]

Hi Pointe has it in their carbine line their carbines are really good

[@colt10mmsecurity68]

“Serious hot rod?” Oh puleeze, Gimme a break! Remember when Federal thought their new .327 would kill the .38spl and compete head to head with .357 magnum? Remember when Federal thought their new joint ventured .32 H&R Magnum would kill the .38spl? Remember when Ruger thought their new .204 would replace the .22mag, .22Hornet and the .223? Remember when S&W thought their new .40 S&W would kill the 9mm, 10mm and the .45ACP? Remember when Rock Island Armory thought their new .22 TCM would kill the 9mm? Remember when FN thought their new 5.7x28mm would cut “heavily” into 9mm sales? Remember when Glock thought their new .45GAP would cut sales of the .45ACP? Remember when Remington thought their new .41 magnum would outperform the “underpowered” .357 magnum AND the “overly powerful” .44 magnum? Remember when Sig thought their new .357Sig would kill both the 9mm and .40 S&W? Remember when Ruger thought their new .17HMR would overtake sales of .22WMR? Remember when the .41AE was supposed to take over .45ACP? Remember when Remington thought their new .357 Maximum would take over the .357 Magnum world? Remember when Winchester thought their new 9x23 would beat out the .38 Super for popularity in competition matches? Remember when Cor-Bon thought their new .400 Cor-Bon would lead in sales, beating out 10mm? Remember when Federal thought the .30 Super Carry would kill the _________(fill in)?

[@wilycoyote9091]

Interesting ride down memory lane. Given the lack of manufacturers not named S&W, I may be interested in this caliber if and when more manufacturers compete in this caliber and also when there are more ammo manufacturers getting into the game. It seems that Federal is dropping the price on the 30 Super Carry as an enticement, and have also seen the Shield 30 Super Carry being offered online in the $250 range. Despite how attractive that may seem, I have a number of 9's and 380's along with plenty of ammo and just don't want to start up all over with a new gun in new caliber which might not make it long term. If I don't feel a 380 is adequate, then I'll just carry one of my 9's and call it a day.

[@colt10mmsecurity68]

@@wilycoyote9091 I feel the same way. …I’m still waiting for my beloved .38Super to both come down in price and for ammo makers to crank more of it out. But we all know that will NEVER happen. I feel the .30SC is traveling down that same route of “forget about it.”

[@wilycoyote9091]

@@colt10mmsecurity68 Federal is also playing games here in order to try and position their new 30 Super Carry as being the better choice for being an in between round regarding a 380 and 9mm by purposely reducing the power of their 99gr 380 HST round. The 99gr HST had always been rated at 1030 fps and 233 ft. lbs. until they came out with the 30 Super Carry, and then they reduced its velocity down to 935 fps which translates to 192 ft. lbs. of energy -- a substantial drop in performance just so they can position their 30 Super Carry in a better light. Another example of bullshit engineering and marketing.

[@kennethbrowning5923]

I don’t remember any of that but I do remember when Bobby Bouche showed up at halftime and the muddogs won the Bourbon bowl.

[@terryoliver1410]

Beretta has dropped the traditional tomcat for a tricked out version. Would love to see the tomcat become an alley cat with 30 super Carry …With a threaded barrel. That’s a cat I would want

[@danschneider9921]

Got to say, as someone who has for years been a hardcore fanboy of 9mm and what modern loads can do, I am definitely interested and intrigued by this re-born cartridge from the past can do.

[@CL-ty6wp]

I'll stick to the .40. 135 grn underwoods hitting 1400fps+ from a g23. Not only destroys 9mm but 357mag in carry length barrels.

[@FirearmEnthusiast]

@@CL-ty6wp lol..

[@FoulPet]

357 sig

[@IAM-M1A]

@@FoulPet it lacks the capacity though.

[@FoulPet]

@@IAM-M1A What you're telling me is 15+1 rounds of near 357 mag power on tap with an extra 15 if you choose to carry one spare, isn't enough for you to get the job done? It's my opinion that a couple extra rounds won't help you.

[@mattjohnson1929]

I miss his gauntlet tests. Love to see him do a Jericho or hellcat

[@bigmal1690]

I got the same message as u to a comment I posted, what's that about and how do u reply to it, it's looks like it came from MAC but it could be someone trying to scam us to,

[@mattjohnson1929]

If you look up the number online it comes from CA. It’s a scam. I wouldn’t call

[@stevenkennedy4130]

I'd like to see the Jericho 941. Israeli CZ 75.

[@ramonandrajo6348]

@@stevenkennedy4130 Israeli? Pass.

[@squatchwatch5237]

@@bigmal1690 anytime there's a number it's scam. They're all over youtube

[@BrokeBoy91]

Just got a shield plus chambered in .30 super carry. Can’t wait to take it to the range !

[@alanpruett2217]

I share your wishes for the success of this ammo and more support among gun makers. Thanks for your review!

[@darkoneokc]

I traded in my Glock 33 EDC for this I love it. Perfect for appendix carry. 16 rounds for the size of a 10-12. Or 9 in the case of 357. Lol it’s only slightly smaller than a 9mm, but a lot faster. Smaller doesn’t always mean worse. 22 Tcm and 5.7 are monsters yet small bullets. Also lower recoil means faster target reacquisition.

[@larsmurdochkalsta8808]

I am also very excited for the possibility of a p365/p365 XL in 30 super carry.

[@mkshffr4936]

I could see something like a Cheetah in 30SC as a backup especially using lower pressure loads.

[@CorvZ061]

I've been carrying a Shield EZ in 30SC for a while which has replaced a 9mm Shield EZ, I've enjoyed shooting this cartridge, and the Shield has been ultra reliable. I have done some rudimentary tests with wet pack and some gel as well as shooting through car door into gel. the 9mm does outperform the 30SC, but not by enough to offset the speed in which I'm able to get a follow up shot on target. There is a noticeable difference in felt recoil between the two cartridges out of the same gun.

[@Bobbylegs37]

I've been so close to getting the EZ in 30 SC, but I reeeeaaally wish it had a double stack magazine /_\

[@copper178]

@@Bobbylegs37 Shield Plus is your answer. It's better than the EZ in every way.

[@Bobbylegs37]

​@@zanegardner6488 My EDC usually has a 5" barrel, just something that's not hard for me to carry. 3" barrels sacrifice so much velocity I hate it.

[@Bobbylegs37]

@@copper178 My EDC usually has a 5" barrel, just something that's not hard for me to carry. 3" barrels sacrifice so much velocity I hate it.

[@ericbergfield6451]

30 Super Carry is on my radar for sure, I'm just waiting for the right firearm to match the ammo with!

[@ramonandrajo6348]

30 Super Carry is a gimmick, not worth it.

[@ericbergfield6451]

@@ramonandrajo6348 Not really, it's just a new cartridge, that's thinner, so you can have more bullets in a magazine. It has good performance if you use the right carry ammo. Otherwise, FMJ's wizz right through 36" of jell just like any other FMJ.

[@ramonandrajo6348]

@@ericbergfield6451 And it has the same recoil as the 9mm, plus the fact that it's expensive, obviously not worth it.

[@ramdom_assortment]

@@ericbergfield6451 I mean 357 sig kind of fits that role for 10mm, but no one buys 357 sig.

[@justicier10-7]

I may be in a minority in saying this... but... I would absolutely love to see a slightly redesigned Walther PPK in this caliber. Would be a big step up over 9mm Kurz or 7.65mm

[@Codiea]

I agree. Ppk is one of my favorite guns but I never liked 380. A 30 super ppk would be awesome.

[@stevemiller7433]

probably too much chamber pressure for simple blowback.

[@Biggusdickus721]

Do you think the straight blowback design could handle it?

[@robertmiller3562]

Walther CCP

[@ShelbyJamesYTShow]

As awesome as that sounds, I don’t know how the recoil impulse is gonna feel with the 30 Super Carry. But man, I want that so bad too.

[@richki.24]

I love the oddball calibers

[@cynthiakoehne7004]

just to be clear .30 SC is a smaller version of the 10mm, PLEASE MAKE MORE FIREARMS IN THIS CALIBER, it is the future, more ammo, more capacity, more of everything we need of handguns in the future. 'JUST MAKE MORE GUNS"!

[@Scientist_Salarian]

It seems like a great alternative to .380, rather than 9mm. 9 is the universal standard for good reason, but .380 definitely needs some help. 30SC fills that role wonderfully.

[@HeyWiseGuy]

If 30SC wasn't so expensive, I think you'd see wider adoption. The pricing reminds me of emerging tech - always more expensive in the beginning; cheaper later on. Is it an intruiging option, I'll give it that.

[@redtra236]

@@HeyWiseGuy It's about the same price as .380. If you don't lose your brass you can reload it for about the same cost as 9mm too.

[@usergonemad]

I like the idea and the execution of it thus far. Definitely want to see more manufacturers in the ring before I adopt it, though...preferably with some innovative gun designs intended to maximize the additional capacity right from the outset.

[@kevinm.328]

I wonder how well it would perform in a PWD design with a barrel around 7-10"

[@ramonandrajo6348]

30 Super Carry is a gimmick, not worth it.

[@pabloescobar7802]

More than .380 less than 9mm what’s the point ....

[@smokingcrab2290]

I've been thinking about the 30 super. Seems to basically be just another 9mm but slightly smaller. What I've been thinking is what if you down load the powder charge for the 30 super to make the recoil much less, then it could be basically the new and improved 32 acp without a rim to make feeding much easier and shooting way more pleasant?

[@bobhill3941]

@@smokingcrab2290 I agree with that, maybe/hopefully a company will produce that, like s&w did with the creation of the .40!

[@jamiemitchell9733]

I'm looking at the Shield EZ in .30 Super Carry for my wife. It cannot be overstated that for petite females with limited grip strength the need for an easy rack slide and manageable recoil. She currently carries a P32 with Underwood +P ammunition but the .30 Super Carry platform will be superior in almost every way.

[@5jjt]

According to the guys on glock talk, strength has little to do with it, and recoil control is all about "Technique."

[@e.l.robbins5614]

This is the first I've heard of the 30 super carry. I'm interested. I hope sig makes a p365 in this soon.

[@thegundungeon]

I am a fan. I have tested the HST, Gold dot, and the remington HTP in the cartridge through gel. I found the bullets did not like the 4 layers of denim, only the hst and gold dot had partial success with the denim. In bare gel, they all did very well. I am a fan but I believe the bullet manufacturers have a little work to do. I will be releasing a video shooting through gel filled chickens with the 30 super carry and 9mm in comparison soon.

[@jamespugh]

Cant wait

[@hell_march6652]

This round seems like it would be ideal for compact and perhaps subcompact designs. I would say more for compact designs where having a few extra rounds when you are often limited to 6 to 8 rounds. 10 or 11 rounds would be nice. Also another consideration for compact designs is the lighter recoil. Since compacts tend to be harder to control in the fact that the grips are smaller, (esp those with larger hands) this should make follow up shots easier.

[@DevDog67]

Just about everyone makes a "micro-nine" now. A very small pistol chambered in 9 mm and capable of 12-15 rounds carry capacity. Sig 365 series, Springfield Hellcat, S&W Shield+, Ruger LCP Max, Glock 43, and it's variants. 30 Super carry would be great, but it needs to be more commonly available in compact handguns, as well as the ammo being more available and cheaper. It's nearly twice the price of 9mm right now.

[@carpma11]

As an owner of the OG Shield model I kept waiting for the mag to run out in that first shooting sequence. Dassa Lotta boolits!

[@mikewithers299]

I love my OG Shield but 8 round single stack was lacking in capacity. I love the Plus now. To think 30SC could top both is awesome!

[@300rumman]

Should test it with a 115g 9mm to keep the bullet weight closer to the same. A 9mm +P would be interesting also.

[@dashmasterson1040]

In a world with rising ammo costs and shortages of components, a new caliber is exactly what was needed.

[@jdmb03]

Except when the new ammo becomes expensive and short supply.

[@napalmstickylikeglue]

Lol I got your sarcasm. This will end up like the 357 sig in the long run.

[@lowtdave]

Actually a really good demonstration of why fmj is not the best choice for personal protection, in any caliber. Well, rifles are a different breed with super high velocity and tumbling and such. Cool demo

[@whippy107]

I'd love for S&W to chamber the CSX in 30SC. I feel they missed a huge opportunity by not doing that from the start.

[@SwampOperator]

I really want a csx

[@luckywyatt]

It’s exciting to see a new pistol round, the 9mm Luger has been around for almost 120 years. I hope it’s commercially successful. It’d help to have more varieties of host pistols and carbines available. If companies like PSA, Glock, Sig and CZ embraced it,,,plus import ammo coming into the US market to drive competitive pricing bringing it to similar prices to 9mm. Until those things happen it will won’t be successful.

[@killacoiler1707]

I am impressed by the 30 SC and would love to see more companies adopt the round. I also would like to see more ammo companies making variations of defensive bullet designs in this caliber. I run Fort Scott Munitions 125gr TUI subsonic 9mm as my main defensive load and would be interested to see how a 115gr TUI 30SC stacks up against it. I have stated in other forums that 30 SC is the next evolutionary thing for the Micro-Compact stack and a half pistol segment allowing for Glock 19 & 17 capacity in a firearm that is 1/3 the size and roughly 5/8 as heavy. Now consider this for a moment if you were to chamber an honest double stack M&P 2.0 in 30 SC it could quite possibly become a 21 round capacity where it used to be 15 and then a 23 round in the 17 round configuration maybe even more. I am curious what the advantage would be and can you imagine what it would do for race guns that offer 20 plus round mags in 9mm, or what a 9mm 33 round Glock fun stick would now offer? I am also curious what advantage it would provide in a single stack like the 43X or Shield 2.0 compared to its 9mm counterparts. I am hopeful and definitely intrigued. Thanks for sharing.

[@MrPunisher2268]

Personally I think 30 super carry is a step in the right direction when it comes to handgun rounds. 9mm 40S&W 45ACP even 10mm are not breaking 2000fps so its not causing a permanent stretch cavity so all you are doing is making a slightly bigger hole in your target. that is why shot placement is so important in pistols so I would rather have a smaller round that i can put more holes in my target.

[@dannyluelee]

Can’t wait for other manufacturers to create 30sc specific frames.

[@theblindsniper9130]

We really are on the edge of seeing some significant advances in small arms. It seems each generation has its wide jump from one massive innovation to the next. Muzzle loaders to breech loaders, to bolt actions and smokeless powder, to self loading rifles to intermediate automatics, to these rifles using advanced technology such as electronic optics. Now we see the development of the ammunition, which plays hand in hand with the development of the small arms, in every generation.

[@Codiea]

If you really think about it though, despite the efficiency, using metal projectiles propelled by detonation of extremely flammable chemicals under pressure is notably archaic.

[@erroneous6947]

Everyone seems to think caseless or polymer cases are the next thing. I’d like to see a liquid propellant firearm.

[@Codiea]

@@erroneous6947 magnets man. Like mini rail guns.

[@joemo1033]

The big advances will be kept out of our hands. Caseless etc. Once big advances are made, that is where we will have to be SUPER vigilant about a disparity of force between the people and the gov.

[@Codiea]

@@joemo1033 I’d argue that’s RIGHT NOW. They already have a vast superiority of weaponry. It’s gone on and soon it’ll have gone too far.

[@shootermcgavin4090]

I was just watching Yankee's channel and he brought up the point about replacing pocket .380s with the 30 super and i have to agree. I think they should stay away from the micro 9 style and focus on even smaller and on the opposite side, full sized. Having a "pocket" gun with a few extra rounds that's more powerful than 380 would be cool. And, on the flip side, having a double stack, full size in 30 that holds like 20-25 rounds in a flush fit mag would be just stellar.

[@shootermcgavin4090]

I've amended my thoughts, sig should make a 365 in 30 with 15/16 shots in a flush mag.

[@Justice-ian]

.25, .32, and .380ACP all use less brass, copper, and lead than 9mm too. .30SC will never become cheaper than 9mm unless it becomes more popular than 9mm (which isn't happening).

[@litsci4690]

Correct. It is DOA.

[@__documents2580]

@@litsci4690 Not so fast...the SW shield plus 30 super carry is selling like hot cakes. I had to try 4 different stores to find one -- all saying that they can't keep them in stock. SW is setting the pace once again. The ability to carry 17 of a plenty deadly round in a micro is a great idea and it's taking off. I've had no problems finding ammo.

[@litsci4690]

@@__documents2580 Smurfs, Garbage Pail Kids, Care Bears, Furby. Hang on to that gun. It'll be quite a conversation starter some day.

[@__documents2580]

As much as you may try -- you can't argue against the increased capacity in a micro concealable firearm with the 30 SC. When you're fumbling around trying to load your 12 round sidecar mag during a firefight I will still be aiming and firing lead at the perp with a 16 +1 setup. Maybe you would be lucky enough to have sufficient cover to let you find the time to re-mag but I wouldn't count on it. The way you rattled off all those old toys -- you must have quite a few of them laying around your bedroom.

[@litsci4690]

@@__documents2580 My 10mm has DOUBLE the energy--and makes a huge wound cavity. Can't say I'm worried about capacity. (Anyway, mine is a "New York" reload.)

[@ExploreWithGeorge]

A 9mm magazine can hold 30 Super Carry so all the gun manufacturers would have to do is make a 30 super carry barrel.The little different in the tolerance in the gun even the extractor should pull the casing out probably and you can get another three rounds in each magazine.

[@marcostadeo3577]

After watching Paul Harrell's video comparison of the calibers, I can see 30 SC as a complete replacement of 380 acp but not the 9mm.

[@rustyyates421]

I still like and carry 9mm but because the 30 super carry penetrates deeper and doesn't the same damage as the 9 mm and of course 3 more rds in a flush fit mag and I now carry the 30 super carry shield plus most of the time . I am a big fan of this pistol and cartridge for a concealed carry gun.

[@mohawk3371]

If it really does have significantly reduced recoil/muzzle flip as compared to 9mm, then that, together the extra capacity, would make me inclined to carry it. Particularly as the Shield Plus is already one of my carry guns. However, most reviewers are not reporting any perceptible reduction in recoil, or muzzle flip. I'm also concned about reduced durability, and parts wear due to significantly higher chamber pressures.

[@r.l.royalljr.3905]

That's the drawback of all the tests where they hand two guns to somebody (one with 9mm, one with 30SC) and the shooter can't tell the difference.

[@ericbergfield6451]

From what I've seen on YT, shooters can't tell the difference between 9mm & 30SC... So it comes down to bonus capacity, personally I'm very interested; I'm just waiting for the right firearm.

[@peterreily1490]

Same felt recoil as 9x19. Sharper snap though.

[@davidgaines8607]

Extra capacity .... The magazine is longer.

[@ericbergfield6451]

@@davidgaines8607 The bullets are smaller in diameter than 9mm, so more can fit in the same sized magazine.

[@msgtpauldfreed]

This adds to what I've already seen. Very good video, very good round.

[@ozthegreater9320]

I really wanna see a P365 macro in this cartridge. It'd probably be around the 20rd mark.

[@ponraul1221]

I’d buy a .30 SC P365XL.

[@Sunflowercowboy]

@@ponraul1221 check this out. 30sc 365xl upper on 365 frame. 21st century chief special

[@Firstamongstslowbois]

So that you only use 3 rounds for self defense 😂

[@ozthegreater9320]

@@Firstamongstslowbois wtf are you even alluding to?

[@Concerned502]

@@ozthegreater9320 Not sure of the actual study. Would like a source as well. A Lot of people quote 3 rounds as the AVERAGE number fired in a self-defense situation. Just quoting each other as internet lore? Another source lists 6 rounds at 7-10 yards as FBI data. I didn't independently verify that. Videos out there available of police officers getting hits and needing MUCH more for the stop. I posted one such above if you are interested

[@terrybrown5402]

I really want to see a new pistol design in a double stack 7.62×25mm tokarev caliber. But these 30 supers are interesting too.

[@NotYourFriendPal]

After going from 9mm to 40s&w and back to 9mm..5.56 to 6.8spc, 6.5 Grendel, .224 Valkyrie and back to 5.56.. i’m done with new calibers

[@jacktheaviator4938]

I bought my 30sc shield the first day they hit the market. It outshoots the exact same pistol in 9mm 10 times out of 10. Better accuracy and increased capacity. Hopefully, a hammer fired by option will hit the market soon, striker fired pistols always feel like a staple gun.

[@lardomcfarty9866]

So, it looks like a good cartridge but i have to disagree about something. It has better penetration in gel, but from what i have seen, that doesnt factor into barrier penetration. I think the 124 grain bullet would retain itself better after going through a windshield or wood that the .30 sc.

[@Codiea]

Not just that but bone is a consideration as well

[@borkwoof696]

Why?

[@jorgesolis9468]

Want meant for duty use targeted market was civilians and very rarely do we encounter barriers like that

[@Codiea]

@@jorgesolis9468 got two words for you: bone barrier.

[@jorgesolis9468]

@@Codiea yes might make the penetration decrease 4 inches maybe 6 putting it at 12 inches remmember that 9mm round in Miami dade a wimpy 115 gr I think at 1200 fps and it was able to go through 6 layers of clothing an arm/no bone,muscle/bone, and lung and with a bullet that probably had terrible weight retention where as the hst has great weight retention not saying that you'll get 16 inches but just saying you could probably expect this round to perform good enough for concealed use definately not duty use though waiting on paul harrel to do a meat target video now

[@warbuzzard7167]

Kind of an over-the-top sales job, with Mac as "pitchman" for Corporate America's firearms manufacturers. It truly is an answer to a question nobody has asked. With components and raw materials as rare as as ever and inflation topping 38% , can we just focus on delivering enough product to market to satisfy demand, without stoking the Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt/FOMO golem to create a new cartridge?

[@jmad71]

30SC is right on time for the micro compact, high capacity trend. It's better than .380 and you can cram a bushel of them into anything remotely concealable. Who cares if it's slightly less powerful than a 9mm when, in a gross motor skill situation, the lighter recoil means you can dump a whole mag in an area the size of a tea saucer?

[@citizenkane454]

Thanks for the video tim. Just got out of surgery to hopefully prevent the loss of my thumb. I really hope I can shoot again.

[@jasonmed2119]

Heal well

[@MrRedFox13Gaming]

Huge 9 and 45 fan but 30SC is looking like a new carry option lol.

[@ramonandrajo6348]

30 Super Carry is a gimmick, not worth it.

[@keepmahaney7412]

Smaller bullet than a 9mm with way too much penetration. Much less damage overall. 30SC definitely isn’t better than 9mm for self defense.

[@ramonandrajo6348]

@@keepmahaney7412 32 acp or 380 acp for carry pistols is the best option.

[@ashleysilva7414]

Got mine today - S&W 30 Super Carry. Going to the range next week.

[@jumboMIDGET]

Well, depending on state, capacity may be a moot point. Especially for Oregon coming up on their ballot. That said, I'm still not convinced this is worth investing in unless the firearm in question and readily be converted to 9mm if .30SC goes the way of .357 Sig

[@napalmstickylikeglue]

Perfect for the HST. The last thing you want is a round that's going to have increased possibility of over penetration for CC. Unlike cops, we are responsible for any collateral damage that our rounds cause.

[@GenericBrandDan]

Gun Jesus would not want you to forget this cartridge, amen 🙏

[@merylpelosi8485]

He already compares it to the 7.65 French long.

[@troy3456789]

@04:41 I am so glad someone finally discussed the facts about ballistic gel. It's an arbitrary but consistent medium, but it is not for representing a human. If it was any tougher, differences would be more difficult to differentiate. If it was softer, it would be too much trouble to carry around enough of it.

[@danliberty734]

I am intrigued about a .30 Supercarry PCC.

[@JaredAF]

Would love a Beretta 92 in .30 SC.

[@leadslinger27]

Can’t wait for underwood and lehigh to come to the party. That would be outstanding!

[@johnjenkins6653]

I don’t know why some people and some manufacturers like to dump on the round , I love it . and if my csx was 30 super carry it would be my favorite carry gun.

[@Rogers632]

Love 30 sc, genius idea!

[@ilpostinomotociclista270]

Interesting. Most reviewers I’ve watched or read seem to feel that the recoil difference between 9 mm and 30 SC is negligible, and that if they didn’t know what they were shooting they wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. If this cartridge really did split the difference between .380 and 9 mm it would be much more appealing, in my opinion.

[@Mr96badboy]

So far, I love the round. I've shot the 9mm for years but It's nice to see an alternative on the market.

[@NeverGone23]

Very informative, I love videos like this. Keep up the great work.

[@The_Hi_Life]

I would love to see 30 super carry go main stream! It’s an awesome little round.

[@ramonandrajo6348]

30 Super Carry is a gimmick, not worth it.

[@willbrink]

Call it .380 magnum and be done with it. If the SC is guns are the same size as a .380, choice is easy there. If the SC pistol is same size as the 9mm, I'm sticking with 9mm. There's some very small reliable 9mm pistols these days. If/when SC becomes less niche rnd and costs come down, etc, worth considering in sub compact pistols for sures.

[@marvinhanson1868]

more useful than the 1903 aged 9mm ! more shots in same sized pistol , great innovation

[@merylpelosi8485]

Unless you live in a state that regulates magazine capacity, then the 9 starts looking good again.

[@williamboggs1682]

I’d still go 9mm I mean even with a little less penetration look how much bigger the expanded bullet was

[@Codiea]

And that decreased penetration is because of the expansion. If the 9mm had only expanded slightly larger than the SC then the penetration would have met or exceeded the SC

[@keepmahaney7412]

I agree. In a self defense situation the 30SC has way too much penetration. 9mm does significantly more damage overall by belling larger in diameter, and is less likely to over-penetrate.

[@jorgesolis9468]

Great for concealed, deep concealment as for duty probably not since 9mm does exceed in energy and performance with +p and +p+ and better barrier penetration but for concealed carry it would be perfect

[@patjohnson8483]

Nice video as always. A comment about one of your comments. If less brass, powder, and lead made rounds less expensive then.380acp, .32acp, and. 25acp would be less expensive than 9mm instead of more expensive. If there were equal volumes of production that should be true. About the ballistics gel. I believe you said the clear gel is not affected by temperature. Testing that theory might make an interesting video. Comparing it to organic gel might be good too. Just a thought. Thanks for videos.

[@terryoliver1410]

Huge fan super carry. Have the shield. Picking up Fullmetal jacket from a couple different local sources at $21 for 50

[@theone031]

9mm had a larger temporary cavity in the replay of the gel

[@Codiea]

Of coarse it did. Just ignore that though. Remember always ignore data that doesn’t reinforce your preconceived opinion.

[@theone031]

@@Codiea by all means you won't have to worry about me buying up all the 30 super carry lol. It's all yours!

[@Codiea]

@@theone031 I guess nobody’s buying it then. I’d buy a revolver in .327 fed first.

[@gudrich]

7,62х25 показал бы лучший результат по сравнению 9х19 и 30 Super! 7,62x25 would show a better result compared to 9x19 and 30 Super

[@napalmstickylikeglue]

Not to mention it had less penetration. Call me crazy but I want the round that is going to have a less chance of over penetrating and hurting someone else. Everyone uses that FBI test as a standard. However what people leave out is that test is for law enforcement not civilians. Law enforcement can get away with collateral damage that their rounds cause. Citizens generally can't.

[@WharfRat0A54]

Great video, answered all my questions on the super carry round. Thank you.

[@ZachBillings]

I’d be interested in seeing more micro compact guns in this. This test is enough to tell me I’d carry it. Just want an ideal gun. Tiny gun with “normal” capacity would be great.

[@braydenkenney3313]

Ruger needs to make an LCP in this immediately.

[@tortol4847]

@@braydenkenney3313 I don't know if they can. 30 SC has over twice the chamber pressure of 380. I don't think it would work in a gun that small.

[@m4rvinmartian]

Never quite certain if comments like this are paid comments, or uneducated shooter.

[@rcusa4863]

Any ammunition that is NOT used by military and law enforcement is good news for civilian markets, as long as civilians understand the importance of ammunition diversity. Meaning, good luck finding affordable 9mm if a major war breaks out. 30 Super Carry can survive if it made by manufacturers who only have production lines for civilian ammunition (e. g .30 SC, .223, 22LR, .357/.38) that will NOT re-purpose those production lines for military ammunition (e.g. 9mm, 5.56, etc). However, the average pressure of the .30 Super Carry cartridge is 52,000 psi, which could be a safety issue in pocket-size firearms that were designed for 21,500 psi (average .380 ACP pressure).

[@PumpkinDefender]

I think this cartridge would be very interesting in a PDW-sized package like a MP5K or a TMP.

[@tylerrodriguez9233]

Hell yeah, I’d love to see it in an MPX

[@redtra236]

I don't see that much advantage over 9mm in a SMG honestly, maybe slightly less recoil for better control on full auto but it's very slight

[@randallfloyd8116]

LOL! It'll join the ranks of the .357 Sig, 40S&W, .327, 45GAP, etc....

[@razieldrakis]

This should be chambered in the Ruger Max9 in the future.

[@dennisl4000]

I have seen a number of calibers come and go, time will tell. Recoil is about the same as 9mm and I do not ever see it competing on a cost basis.

[@thebob5240]

Paul Harrel did a really good analysis of the 30 Super if anyone wants more go check out his video.

[@TheHandHistoryVault]

For anyone who don't want to watch, his testing pointed out Super Carry is a pointless round.

[@thebob5240]

@@TheHandHistoryVault Well, he left it more up to the viewer because when it comes to personal defense you use what you want as long as it is effective and works for you.

[@williamboggs1682]

Yeah and he got it right

[@Codiea]

Paul certainly has superior content.

[@stevemiller7433]

gotta love the meat target

[@ramdom_assortment]

3 months later and it seems no more guns are coming out in 30 Super. Hell, this is the newest video I could find even talking about the round. Shot Show showed off a few guns in 380. I guess 30 Super never took off. Wow, I'm so surprised.

[@homeinthewhiteoaks]

The shortage of components and ammo, is making it hard to like anything new. When ammo is back to normal, then we can talk about guns in calibers I don’t already have!

[@OneofMyTurns]

Amen!!

[@BiggMo]

Actually, the 30 super carry is what’s in stock, not 9 mm, that’s why I’m looking at it as an option

[@walkercustoms]

Still love the intro, please never change it.

[@captq4]

1) would have liked to see the 147gr HST compared as it is known to penetrate deeper than 124gr. 2) the 9mm seemed to hit harder. Temporary wound channel looked larger.

[@thomascarpenter7415]

It’s funny how things kinda go full circle…. Personally I think the 30 SC is a solution to a non existing problem , plus the cost of the ammo and availability don’t offset the perceived advantages. Now in a pipe dream world , the Shield Plus in .30 Luger

[@xunheilvsnipezx3324]

Id seriously love a s&w csx in 30 super, and perhaps a wilson combat csx in 30 super

[@12gaFreedom]

I'd love to see S&W remove the bullshit trigger safety out of the CSX. It already has a firing pin lock manual safety. No reason the gun shouldn't have a light weight single action trigger with a reset I can ride.

[@xunheilvsnipezx3324]

@@12gaFreedom I agree thats why i was hoping for a Wilson combat "optimized" csx in 30 super. I can only imagine the $2500 price im sure it will carry will be worth it lol

[@harleycriswell8504]

As someone who isn't heavily invested in 9mm already 30 supper is very tempting. But I agree with everyone else I want a pistol from some of my favorite manufacturers, and I want to see a pcc made to take advantage of the potential higher round count

[@voteholyk]

The biggest factor in winning a firefight is ammo capacity, and shot placement. More rounds that are easier to put on target is nothing but a good thing. Hence the 556. vs 308

[@bradsmalt3852]

So .22LR should be close to king based only on ability to shoot easily and potential capacity. I get what your saying. Just putting it out there to invoke thought.

[@voteholyk]

@@bradsmalt3852 This is of course considering that the round has capable ballistics for your needs.

[@l.a.3887]

Thanks for all the information 👍

[@s00-x2h]

**Test gun is the Shield Plus in 30SC (3.1 inch barrel), gel is Clear Ballistics silicon-based gelatin** 1:56 Federal 100gr HST 3:38 HST 9mm 124gr out of a *P365XL Spectre Comp* also 3.1 inch barrel 5:41 American Eagle 30SC 100gr FN 8:05 30SC HST bullet dimensions 8:24 9mm HST bullet dimensions Quick thought: what if someone makes a 2011 chambered in 30SC and **really** up that capacity game? I can see a good race gun coming of that

[@Dr4gon2000]

I'm planning a few of my own builds around the 1911 platform in this caliber once barrels become available

[@iWillAvert]

Definitely want more options before I'd be willing to adopt it but I'm excited for the cartridge. Being able to squeeze a few more rounds into the gun at a similar power level is pretty incredible to say the least. That's a game changer for sure.

[@michaelwillis5040]

A downside for handloaders is the lack of brass. Not a major issue as the Federal ball rounds aren't too expensive. Living in the Peoples Republic of Washington we're limited to 10 round magazines so the extra capacity isn't any advantage. Overall I like the cartridge and also hope more companies offer it.

[@jamesmarkov9570]

The new 30 super carry is intriguing