300 Series Land Cruiser ROOF LOAD RATING.. || Can you ACTUALLY fit a Roof Top Tent/ Roof Top Tinny?

[@seabee167]

Gidday Cam, Yakima roof rack for 300 is 150kg rated and Yakima load specs don't drop off road

[@WildTouring]

Cheers mate, will have a look 👍🏼

[@seabee167]

@@WildTouring great quality and a bit cheaper than others, USA company. I've got a 3 bar set

[@seanchristie7150]

Cam, looks like Toyota is ass covering in a big way, especiallywhen it is there for the 200 n not for the 300, I wonder if they have been taken to the cleaner's. Looking forward to the next series and the build series.

[@ianrichardson9200]

Cam. I think Toyota simply don't want liability!

[@WildTouring]

Yeah I agree. Easier to shift it onto rack manufacturer!

[@merv190]

I keep hearing that any type of after market product, catch cans , roo bars , engine chips, bigger wheels etc etc will negate warranty claims. Any fine print they can use to get out of warrant claims they’ll use.

[@ume6002]

Hi there, I actually recieved the spec sheet from toyota and can confirm they rate it at 100kg bare. With the factory roof rails, they have taken 5kgs off so stock standard with rails, the roof loading capacity is 95kgs. I hope this helps.

[@WildTouring]

Have you got the whole document? Or just the screen shot of the table that’s doing the rounds on the internet- which is actually the weight limits of the genuine Toyota racks? There is no roof load capacity for the vehicle, note the email from Toyota to me In this video.

[@ume6002]

@@WildTouring you are correct. Its not a full document. it's just a pdf titled lc300 roof rack system load capacity summary and was provided to me by toyota sales team when I put my order in. It shows each model of the 300 series and each roof accessories they provide including part number and weight.

[@WildTouring]

@@ume6002 yeah I’ve seen that, and I’m aware some dealers are interpreting that as a roof load rating. 👍🏼

[@gavrasmussen1305]

90percent of touring vehicles are overloaded. Even the camels and donkeys were overloaded back in the day. All this talk about load ratings is un Australian. I like Toyota's new load ratings. No load rating. Make Australia Great Again. It's simple. If it fits it fits if it dont it dont. 🤷

[@joeblow1711]

I doubt any roof rack manufacturer is going to do the engineering checks and certifications of toyotas roof and give you a figure. That would be toyotas job so I wouldn’t be putting anything on the roof if it’s not stated by the manufacturer. Poor form Toyota

[@alanjohnston243]

G’day Cam, I’m only guessing here but maybe it has something to do with the roof being aluminum on the 300

[@WildTouring]

Could be. I know the roof skin is aliminium, but I I’d have thought that the roof frame/structure that the racks bolt too would be steel anyway, but I don’t really know! Will have to have a poke around with a magnet when I get mine.

[@alanjohnston243]

@@WildTouring you would think there is steel under the roof, I’ll be keeping an eye on your finding mate. My son has ordered a 300 and he wants to fit his roof top tent ……cheers Cam

[@Mr_RPE]

Any car with a rooftop tinnie is illegal, unless it goes on a canopy that is certified for the weight and engineered, you will be not covered in an accident, i rang around for months with insurance company’s and manufacturers, all told me there is no way it’s legal or be covered for warranty or give out insurance to cover it

[@happyknife8785]

And......why? If it is under the vehicles roof load capacity whats the issue? Why is the canopy different? Still forms part of your insured car, so it cant have anything to do with weights then

[@Mr_RPE]

@@happyknife8785 as many insurance companies have mentioned if the canopy is engineered to take the weight and is build and engineered for the purpose to hold a water vehicle with the correct weight that is plated. If a crash or accident would occur and it is not secured as engineered you will not be covered( as in the car) boat also needs to be a seperate insurance to cover the boat

[@WildTouring]

That makes zero sense to me. Your telling me insurance companies have told you they’re okay with you carrying a boat on a chassis mounted canopy if it’s built/engineered to carry a boat. But then not okay with you carrying a boat on a boat rack bolted to your roof, that is built/engineered to carry a boat? If both are engineered to do the task, and don’t exceed weight or size limitations, what exactly is the issue? My tinny came loose on my boat rack while I was off-road, slid over the car and dented the roof and the door of the Dmax , I had no issues getting it repaired through insurance earlier this year. They didn’t ask what rack I had, what it weighed, how it came loose, dimensions or any of those details. It was assessed and approved from the other side of the country and repaired locally.

[@scottspitty8283]

Horse shit

[@jazzycool2950]

My Toyota towbar says it’s good to tow 1500kg capacity yet my RAV4 can only tow 800kg braked. The tag info on towbar has mislead car mechanics and dealers. As you said you have to do your homework and work out yourself what you can and can’t do and lots of people couldn’t be bothered to do so. You also need to work out GCM because Toyota’s 4WD don’t always give you much Pay Load weight.

[@andrewtoon1954]

Is it because the 300 has an aluminum roof

[@TheOldFellasTravels]

Hi Cam. I'm looking at buying the new 2023 D-MAX. Currently have a 76 series but really is over kill for the travelin I do now. You seem to have had a good run from your D-MAX Would you recommend one and how many k's have you put on yours? I remember you had some metal fatigue cracking but apart from that I dont recall any other major issues.

[@WildTouring]

I put 150k on mine over 7 years. Fairly hard kms (much of it offroad and loaded to GVM/GCM). I had what I would consider minimal dramas - a cracked guard, cracked AC evaporator and a one off random software issue with the immobiliser (required a tow truck to Isuzu for recoding of the keys and resetting of the immobiliser unit). I think they’re a really good no frills all rounder - comfortable enough to commute in, decent offroad and can tow a reasonable sized van. Like most vehicles they really need decent tyres and suspension before they’re loaded up with gear and taken offroad. Otherwise they’re pretty good to go 👍🏼

[@TheOldFellasTravels]

Thanx mate😊

[@jamesmcmillan2656]

I think you might need to look at the State laws for max carrying capacity on your vehicle. I think here in WA it’s 100kg and you need an engineers certificate to go beyond but I could be wrong.

[@WildTouring]

The only thing I’ve ever seen remotely close to that, is a vehicle safety bulletin that the Department of Transport released. Which basically says anything over 50kgs need to be tested by the rack manufacturer and rated. All of the racks I’m looking at are rated 👍🏼 “Carrying material on a roof mounted load rack is dependent upon a number of factors. Generally a load with a mass exceeding 50kg should not be loaded on a roof rack. However, where a roof rack manufacturer has had strength tests performed on a specific type of rack, a mass heavier than 50kg may be carried providing it does not exceed the rack manufacturer’s recommended capacity. Where the vehicle manufacturer specifies maximum roof rack loads, this capacity should never be exceeded regardless of the rating of the roof rack.”

[@JohnYoung-m4j]

Well it’s certainly looking good it’s going to look great when it’s all finished. The windows look great with the tinting. Do you like the 4 cylinder engine and does it have enough power? Well done a great vehicle especially with a family. Have a great Christmas you and family.😂😂 Jon PS I think there may be a wind cancelling Gard for your roof rack, worth checking mate.

[@shanenorwell8580]

Cam if you do look down the boat path in the future there’s a fabrication shop down here in Bunbury who’s designed the lightest aluminium boat loader available. I’ve seen them on 2 of my customers cars now and they’re such a simple design yet automatic like a “custom boat loader”.

[@WildTouring]

Do you know the fab shop name? Very interested!

[@shanenorwell8580]

@@WildTouring yeh mate it’s Marindi Fabrications

[@boxheadmr]

Just buy a second 300 series to tow the boat.....jokes

[@WildTouring]

😂

[@Phil_McAvity]

It’s awesome you’re getting your 300 soon, I’m totally jealous. I’ve my two year anniversary soon for the wait on my 76 series.

[@WildTouring]

I’ve still got a 79 on order from 18mnths ago. Haven’t heard a think about it! Curious to see if I’ll ever be offered it!

[@Phil_McAvity]

@@WildTouring yeah I forgot you had a 79 on order. I don’t know what to do if/when it comes. I originally had plans to get it in straightaway & have everything done all in one hit but a lot has changed in two years. I’ve bought a second property, a farm on 20 acres and I was forced into getting a secondhand farm truck (2017 Mits Triton) which may I add had been a great vehicle to my surprise. So money is now very limited. Anyways….. great video & looking forward to the next 🤙

[@paulgeorge7158]

Wait until you have a drama , then Toyota will happily tell you how much they will warrant you carrying

[@colleenperry635]

Not related I guess is star link worth it

[@WildTouring]

For us, 100%. Emails, social media, weather updates, phone calls, messages, video calls, KZbin, Netflix etc anywhere in the country. You pay for the privilege though, it’s not cheap. Lots of people are happy to be off their devices and uncontactable when they’re camping!

[@danielb8901]

The other day a mate was having his caravan van and Landcruiser professionally weighed and I was talking the chap about the 300 roof carrying capacity and he said it was 100kg? I remember being told by a gent down at Toyota is was 97kg. Why don`t Toyota fix this once and for all and put it on their spec sheet, problem solved?

[@WildTouring]

It is frustrating!

[@oldbloke204]

Given the hullabaloo around one of these manufacturers a while back, and the one I spent top money on, I have concluded that the aftermarket add on industry for 4wd's is a cesspit really. Overpriced and very very good at not giving information that should be very easily available. When I was trying to chase up info after I had fitted my rack even the dealers had no real clue and I got different answers to the same question.

[@WildTouring]

You’re not wrong, there’s a lot of companies capitalising on the industry while it’s booming, with poor products and no aftermarket support. That’s why I generally stick to brands I know and trust rather than the latest shiny gadgets from overnight pop up brands!

[@oldbloke204]

@@WildTouring Yeah I worked on that theory but unfortunately it was an expensive local product . Did you see the meltdown about roof racks a couple of years ago? Ronnie covered it as well as John Cadogan. If I was looking at racks again I would likely go for something like Front Runner.

[@jebw]

@@oldbloke204 Remember it was Tyler Thompson who started the investigation about static and off road limits after his rack fell off his vehicle. The fine print I think was only in the installation instructions provided with the rack. If the rack was installed by a 3rd party most owners never saw the document.

[@oldbloke204]

@@jebw Yep exactly my point and, if memory serves, I have the same brand of rack and had some very terse too and fro with the manufacturer at that time. John Cadogan Auto Expert did a video about it at around that time as well. Mucho bs in the 4wd space imo.

[@-Awareness]

If the manufacturer doesn’t state the figures anywhere… then how can the authorities deem it ‘illegal’? Would like to know where they got their information and they should at least make it public knowledge. You can’t be expected to follow the rules, if the rules aren’t stated…

[@-Awareness]

And if you keep all the communications between manufacturers, displaying the vagueness and sending consumers in circles… then you have done your due diligence in attempting to follow the rules…

[@tritonjackmam5.681]

🤔 WHAT TO DO 🤷‍♂️ EASY GET THE 300 FOR THE SCHOOL RUN AND DAUL CAB HINO 4x4 TRUCK FOR YOUR SELF 🤩🤩 YEP ROOF RACKS, AMAZING HOW PEOPLE OVERLOAD THEM

[@WildTouring]

Haha you’ve got more dollars than me if you could afford both 😂

[@johntrueblue]

So put it in a nutshell, if your roof rails are rated at 200kg, you buy a roofrack thats says it has a carrying capacity weight of 200kg, dont go by the rack capacity cause your still bound by the rail capacity, so rails are 200kg then add the weight of rack that might be is 75kg, so your now down to rail capacity of 125kg. This is static weight car not moving, the the rating becomes lower while driving and farther more when off roading. So you see people with racks and a rooftop tent and i bet they are over weight on the roof rails. This was just an example.

[@WildTouring]

Yeah that’s often the case! And then on top of that most vehicles have a roof load limit - so you’d go with whatever figure is the lowest.

[@anthonydoherty1599]

That’s not accurate for many vehicles, including the 200 series. There is no reduction in rhino racks weight limit when off road on the 200 series. They specifically state that on their website.

[@anthonydoherty1599]

The part you’ve written about taking the weight of the rack in to account is true. For the 200 series, the rhino rack platform has a rating of 150kg. The rack and backbone system itself weighs 42kg, so you only get 108kg of carrying capacity (whether on road or off road, doesn’t matter).

[@WildTouring]

@@anthonydoherty1599 yeah it’s always going to be brand and vehicle specific. Which is why I encourage people to research their own application!

[@johntrueblue]

@@anthonydoherty1599 well this is directly from rhinorack website, looking at the 200 with backbone railing. Vehicle/System Load Limit: 150kg Roof Rack System Weight (excludes additional accessories): 37kg Roof Rack Cargo Capacity (excludes additional accessories): 113kg Off-Road Load Rating (excludes additional accessories): 75kg So you look it up your self.. 113 static, 75kgs off road.

[@8FeetTravels]

Great video Cam and looking forward to your build series. Still should of brought a Y62 😉

[@PUUMBA4x4]

Good video mate you have came a long way keep it up

[@yusufsayed1583]

Morning 😊 Thanks for the info 👍🏼 Greetings Mate & Cheers 🍻 From South Africa 🇿🇦

[@WildTouring]

Cheers mate! 👍🏼

[@xBossxProductions]

Probably a little late now, but did you ever consider a fuso canter or isuzu nps? Would have no worries towing and could put any canopy set up you like and tiny on top of that. Can get them with autos and fully kitted for around the same price as a 300

[@WildTouring]

Nah not really. They make great tow rigs but that’s only part of what I want from a vehicle. Too big and heavy for my other needs.

[@jasonsimpson1969]

Hi Cam i also ordered a GX back in March how do you know its in assembly stage and delivery date?

[@WildTouring]

Dealer has been keeping me in the loop. They had a build number for me, which shows its assembly stage. Delivery date is just a guess at this stage, as my car hasn’t been allocated a ship last I’ve heard .

[@buzz9972]

Cam, being a 300 owner and recently travelled Australia go a rack with the cross bars running length ways on the roof not across the roof. Wind hits each cross bar and vibrates off the aluminium roof. Not too bad with roof top tent but when the racks empty the wind noise etc so bad I had to remove the rack when not on a trip

[@WildTouring]

Yeah was looking at the backbone style rails for that reason!

[@lachlansheekey2839]

If something fails Toyota won't give 2 stuffs what an aftermarket manufacturer claims, if there's no specified roof load limit you'll be poking in the dark everytime you load up the roof. Warranties have been denied for far less black and white issues than this one, especially where Toyota is concerned.

[@WildTouring]

I disagree. I can’t have a warranty claim denied for exceeding a roof load limit, if there is no roof load limit.

[@lachlansheekey2839]

@WildTouring if there's no load limit specified for anything other than a genuine Toyota rack you won't have a leg to stand on come a warranty claim, reading betwren the lines the only way to actual get a load limit on a 300 is to fit the genuine roof rack, seems like maybe a cunning ploy so you have to purchase from Toyota at a severely inflated price to safeguard yourself against any issues down the road. Car companies will try absolutely anything to get out of fixing your car, we've have an absolute shit fight with Mitsi about getting an engine turbo issue sorted and they Initially denied warranty due to the lift kit, took 3 months and 2 different dealers to get a resolution.

[@actpiet]

Cancelled my 300 order 2 weeks prior to delivery as Toyota specs (provided by Toyota Technical) specified 100kg weight limit for off road, including roof rack/rails etc. Their rack (as at 11/2022) and rails weighed approx. 33kg, leaving a 'payload' of 67kg for off road use. My tinny weighs 75kg. Now proud owner of preloved 200

[@WildTouring]

That’s the weight limit for the specific rack/rail, not the roof load rating for the vehicle (because there isn’t one). The 200 is still limited by the weight limits of the rack/rail system you choose too! Nonetheless, more options available for the 200 at the moment, and they’re a proven solid rig 👍🏼

[@actpiet]

@@WildTouringI asked Toyota dealer in writing, that as i was intending to carry a tinny with realistic load of approx 150-175 kg was this OK. After a couple of days Techs said no. Advised maximum total was 100kg. Admittedly via a scan/photocopy of a page from some Toyota technical bulletin, so provenance is not proven. That’s when I sadly cancelled my GRS order and someone moved up in the queue for a flat white GRS 😢

[@roybasten6407]

I did the same thing until i was informed as Cam has said. If you look at the City Toyota web site it shows a Toyota Rack with caring weight for 125kg, 25kg for the rack 150kg load caring capacity. @@actpiet

[@nzmarkb8713]

Thanks Cam I’m in the market for a 300 so this was very helpful 👍

[@WildTouring]

No worries mate, glad it helped 👍🏼

[@denniscalvert3390]

should have bought a Prado 🤣🤣🤣🤣Oh What a savings.

[@WildTouring]

Arnt most models of Prado limited to 100kgs? Id struggle towing the van with the Prados tow capacity anyway.

[@alantrist5497]

Another great informative video, love your posts and video Cam

[@WildTouring]

Cheers mate 😊

[@paulvictor9368]

Have a look at Rola. They seem a bit stronger than Rhino.

[@WildTouring]

Will check them out 👍🏼

[@furtherupthetrack7583]

Cam thanks for the video 👍👍

[@WildTouring]

Cheers mate 👍🏼

[@mini_steve]

My concern is, like you mentioned, about warranty and insurance. I'm sure everyone will have claims denied because there is no real stipulated figure of weight capacity. Seems like an easy out for insurers and rack manufacturers when something goes wrong.

[@WildTouring]

We won’t know until it’s tested I guess. But I can’t see claims being knocked back if people stick to the weight limits that are listed.

[@mini_steve]

@WildTouring Thank's Cam and/or Tiff. Appreciate the content and comments. I didn't really explain my thoughts very well (It's Grand final weekend for 2 codes, so I'm a mess). My confusion lies within there not being any stipulated rating from the manufacturer, and aftermarket manufacturer's may be going off the roof loads that said manufacturer use for their own platform/roof rack. Just all seems to stink a bit.

[@SteveisTall]

​@@WildTouringI'm no lawyer but in the absence of a rating from Toyota, insurance companies might find it difficult to claim someone exceeded the rating. Thoughts?

[@WildTouring]

@@SteveisTall totally agree, you can’t have a claim denied by wrong doing, If you haven’t done anything wrong!

[@JS_Adventure]

Nice explanation mate, really weird that Toyota didn’t specify a roof rating and are being tight lipped on it considering the amount of roof top tents/tinnys fitted to 200 series. Can’t wait for the Kennedy Ranges series it’s an incredible spot!

[@craigtomkinson2837]

Nice Ep

[@WildTouring]

Cheers mate 👍🏼

[@terrysmith1307]

Thats been done Trip in a van@@WildTouring

[@WildTouring]

@@terrysmith1307 what’s been done?

[@lordcmdradama3969]

Any chance they list it in the owner’s manual that comes with the vehicle (as opposed to online spec sheets)? You’d have to go to a dealer to look in one of the demo vehicles unless you are happy to wait until delivery.

[@007oli]

If the Toyota rack is okay I would go with that one as I think you could have a good argument if you run into trouble. Looking forward to the new series, tried to do at Easter but the start of the track withbthe crossing was closed and didint have time to double back. Will be back again next year to try.

[@WildTouring]

Hope you get out there next year, it’s such a good drive!