302 VS 351 Which one WOULD YOU PICK and what is your recipe? Comment Below on 3

[@kennydemartini2169]

I appreciate your builds just as much as I do your commentary. You, just like most of us, are always working within a budget that isn't big enough. You have a following, take advantage of it. Set up one of those patreon accounts, or whatever it is, and raise some money for a good set of heads. I'd gladly donate to your cause..

[@reignbird3167]

I second this I will donate also!

[@bstfordchannel923]

Wow! Thank you for this I have a page set up but I have not figure the content to add.. i wanted to start that when I get 1 of the 3 cars running.. I have connected the dots yet . This is time more than ever to do so..Thank you for this it has my brain going to take action on this.. this is like the 5th time hearing this... I need to do something pronto

[@bstfordchannel923]

thank you for the future support and the now support bro

[@coreyrowe2052]

Third! You have almost 11K subscribers. If you could just get 1000 subs to donate $10, you have most of your build paid for!! Thanks for all the good content 👍👍👍

[@ltwig476]

@@kennydemartini2169 Yeah Kenny, even though the attraction here is to see how much can be accomplished with so little funds. I agree it is fair play for us to donate during this time of scarce money and work.

[@granthartford]

"Jump to the past to know your future" .... words to live by

[@bstfordchannel923]

I have to bro... I can not see doing Coyote right now, cause something will be missing.. the humans missing link theory . Its best to keep something old school around ( done in that fashion)

[@jamesdelavan9573]

As a Foxbody owner for 22 years, I am on my 3rd one. Having had a 302 carburetor equipped '83, an '88 and '90 EFI 302 equipped car, and my '90 has evolved into a 351W carburetor car. I am running a early 351 block, Comp Cams camshaft, Roush World Product 200cc heads, Victory Jr intake, and Holley 650 carburetor. Out of the 3 cars and 4 engine combos this one pulls the hardest. Granted the only things stock now are the torque converter, rear gears, and the power steering pump. NA 450 HP and 500 ft lbs of torque in a 2900lb car is a blast.

[@bstfordchannel923]

this is what I was waiting for a person that had a3 different set-up adding a 351 currently . Great info well done James this is a solid ave that i can take with the next build!

[@jamesdelavan9573]

@@bstfordchannel923 Yes sir! I love them foxbodies. I did use the 1.5 inch dropped solid motor mounts. Looking at my 302 Chrome BBK Shorties and the 351W swapped Chrome shorties all I could see was where they "dinged" the #3 runner on the driver's side to clear the steering shaft. So as someone on a budget I just dinged my 302 headers and they work fine. I have a 1" aluminum spacer under the carb and my hood doesn't fit. I run around my little town with the hood just latched at the front. On trips over 55 MPH I remove the hood and put a air cleaner on her. My next plan is a Spectre Carb hat with a 4" cold air intake to the fender like the 5.0L used. This way I can cut my hood to just clear the carb hat. Future plans are for a 408 ci stroker kit and some aluminum heads for less weight. At 408 ci I'll need a 750 carb, 4.10 gears, and a higher stall converter.

[@chrismair8161]

I built my 351 Cid after the 302 red lined and warped the heads. 1989 DECH mustang notch back Crown Royal Blue. The seats turned the GF's on. Then the Gone factor was the Deal maker. So many times I was asked to (Do it again!).A V-8 you built goes a long way in a sexy Ricaroh bucket seat rare Mustang.

[@bstfordchannel923]

how did the 351 run compared to the 302?

[@robertbelote5273]

302 makes the skinny red needle bounce faster but the 351 would be better in a big car so you can get that grunt.

[@bstfordchannel923]

agreed lmao... 351 give you that umph you need

[@babycam734]

302 E303 Single plane intake 650 carb, New pistons rods etc. Better than expected. I’d like a 351 as well for my next build.

[@bstfordchannel923]

Right I am working on a 351 , but may lead towards efi

[@OGbqze]

Just bought a 351w with shorty headers and all accessories for $400. I'm pleased.

[@bstfordchannel923]

wow thats what I like ( love ) those deals good score OG

[@ringerrefill9806]

Had a few 302s as a young man got my first 351w and I'd got to say stock for stock the 351w is a completely different beast the power jump on paper dosnt seem crazy but the feel is way different

[@bstfordchannel923]

see This is very good, cause you mentioned stock for stock vs performance to performance . this was honest and straight up... I really thank you for this Ringer

[@markmccarty9793]

An almost inch in rid length and 1/2" in stroke is alot! But that 351 crank is heavy!

[@gregsmith8032]

Well you probably haven’t tossed this but get a stock roller like you have with stock forged pistons a gt 40 heads clean up castings below valve port match intake an go down the junkyard to the F250 / 350 and put a blow through turbo on turn those shorty headers up side down an start welding easy 500 hp and torque .horsepower magazine had a Datsun road kill all stock junkyard stuff

[@bstfordchannel923]

thats the planed route for the Maverick once its running .. I am all in the learning phase right now.. trail and error/// This is a great comment thought it shows i am on the right track brother.. thank you Greg

[@danielmcqueen1024]

BST... Your Ole School Ford Guy says: I'd build a 351 Windsor W/ 2V Cleveland heads using a 351 Street Boss intake. 9 to 1 pistons and a Comp Cam bumping at 236 248 with roller lifters; And I would Not go Stroker cuz you'll get more torque at the bottom end. Tertronix ignition using the big mushroom dist. cap to help with high rev cross fire issues:) I've built 4 of these motors back in the day and dyno one, it came in at 443HP and... get this, 478 torque:) and that was up here in the Mile High city... Albuquerque, NM! All stock parts, 72' 2V heads on a 71' 351W block... still have that motor in the shop :)

[@bstfordchannel923]

I have to find these heads thats been my issue they do not come cheap and to machine them, I am taking that recipe though , cause I ill building a 2 or 3 in different forms .. this sounds cheap to do... maybe i shall scratch the stroker maybe..

[@danielmcqueen1024]

@@bstfordchannel923 BST... look for old 73' to 78' LTDs, T-Birds, LTDIIs.. and any Ford or Lincoln, Mercury that has a 400 Modified motor... it's a stroked Cleveland engine W/ 2V heads:) They built 100 of thousands of these motors! So look around to see if you can find one of these cars for sale!

[@timothysanders431]

I already have a 308 bullet, forge rotating assembly, afr heads , all the goods . If I build another I will go 351 stroked to 427 forged rotating assembly, afr heads , all the goods . However, explorer 5.0 , gt 40 heads worked over , explorer intake , ported . All the goods is nice power . And then jam a powerstroke turbo on it .

[@bstfordchannel923]

351 I am rolling with bro...I like what you have done already Tim.. man thta sound like some coin you but down in your ride

[@timothysanders431]

@@bstfordchannel923 I've owned my mustang since 1992 , 1 owner 92 Calypso green, 5 speed , 5.0 , notch back , all the power options. Love my Fords , 1992 green SHO , 5 speed , all the options. 95 powerstroke f250 , But I have a new love . 2018 ford edge sport, it's just so damm comfortable. And I dont have to shift .

[@jeromeburrasca6710]

4th Generation all aluminum LS V8 for soo many reasons.

[@bstfordchannel923]

Ls is the best but i wish Chevy had a car to build that Ls platform around all they have is Corvette ( which the C8 will be gone ) and trucks. Nothing else to really sink the Chevy guys teeth into something... They going off old fumes ( like the old school stuff ) nothing new.. When you think chevy LS comes to mind of the youth then old school cars

[@jeromeburrasca6710]

BST Ford Channel kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZpzQYmCKnJ2eh8U

[@stevecooper8121]

It really depends on what your use is for. I have a 87 ford f150.351w.I wanted a truck with more horse power and better hauling.Still wanted to drive down the freeway.So I started with a rebuild.Bored .040 over.Put in a 218/ 218 .456 lift comp cam.Found some gt40 heads.Had them redone with the springs to match my cam.Next I switched to a dual plane intake.Removed all emissions controls.Used some Headman long tube headers.Flow master exhaust.Bolted on a 750 quick fuel slayer.A hotter coil and high volume fuel pump.Installed a limited slip rear end.Slapped on new brake rotors and drums and some new shocks.Installed a tach and oil pressure gauges.Didn't change the 3.08 gear.Have good low end torque truck takes off good with the cooper cobra tires with 10s in the rear 8s in the front.Not killing the motor with high rpm running down the freeway.Perfect for want I wanted.I'd bet money I have 375 hp easy.

[@ltwig476]

You can't get 400 hp on a budget build that will hold up. I priced out all parts and machine work for a 347 build and doing most of the work myself. It hit $8,000. So I would go for the 351w to get as much OEM power you can and then give it a little boost. Just enough boost that you don't have to worry about eating valves or throwing rods. Fill that 302 full of used oil all the way to the spark plugs and stick it in the corner of the garage. One of those little Ford Rangers will come in at the right price some day.

[@reignbird3167]

I second this Bst

[@bstfordchannel923]

That was the plain to boost the 351, thus why i shown a Picture of the Lightning Motor.. So you building a stroker and the cost is 8k wow.. I have to think it over again slightly lmao. I need the heads off the engine so that the plan , but I will make a slight detour along the way.... Thank you for this . I really needed this

[@KingJT80]

I wouldnt even build a 347 for 400hp its a waste of stroke. Build a 302 and put AFR 165s and a .550 lift can in it. 400hp. done. Just build the 351w Whats better, a 500hp small block with 7/16 head bolts or 1/2 inch head bolts??

[@ltwig476]

@@KingJT80 My concern would be the stock 302 rods with this added hp. Part of the reason you stroke a rotating assembly is because you are needing to change to Chevy H-beam type rods anyway. It is like adding new weight on top of a building before shoring it's foundation. I'm a firm believer in simply calling ARP and letting them choose all fastening systems to go with your build once you decide over 350 hp. They will always go 15% over to ensure it stays together.

[@KingJT80]

@@ltwig476 theres a lot of stock block 302s runnning around making that much and stay together. The trick flow and edelbrock rpm top end kits come to mind. Those are both 350 plus up top ends. Tons of people have had those and afr heads on a stock block and made 300 to the wheels. Youre not spinning them at crazy levels to do it. Even 6400 isnt that bad for the olds 302s like mine. ARP bolts are a good insurance but if I build a 347 I'm going to 500hp id just build the 351 at that point You should check out turbo john he has a guy on his channel. Stock block nitrous 302. Runs 5.50 and the 347 runs 5.0s in the 1/8. Thats moving.

[@mattfarahsmillionmilelexus]

Biggest problem with the 351W is the huge, 460 sized 3" mains. The 302/5.0 has 2 1/4" mains, so it's a more natural revver. With the big mains, you have a low revving torque motor, as taking it too high leads to a bearing spin over-speed issue.

[@bstfordchannel923]

very true I have a idea with that.. I have to try a 4 banger trick to see if works.. 1st dynamic balancing 2nd cut the internal friction in the motor.. You still will have the issue maybe cause of the throw like you said but its worth a shot IF i rev the crap out the motor. great angle from you Matt.. thank you for the reminder.. i have this in my thoughts

[@heavymetalmadness666]

What are some big block 460's revved to? likely 8- 10,000 rpm (not stock) If you have ever noticed big diameter journals run higher oil pressure even in stock form to compensate for that. Higher oil pressure means the pump has to work harder though, so there is a slight power trade off on paper . Pontiac 421 and 455 3.25 main journal, 400 3.00. Some choose to stroke the 400 to 455 rather than a 455 because of that.I have seen a couple ford 302 and a Chevy "small journal crank" broke in two with stock engine hp. Weight is weight, but that close to the center line and I doubt your losing much if anything to have a stronger crankshaft overall. On paper the 3.25 main needs higher oil pressure to protect the bearing over the 3 inch main depending on how high it will be revved.

[@jrusted5.031]

Junkyard engines are good because they're seasoned they've been out in the cold and in the heat and they've expanded and contracted also the Pistons are good for Boost I appreciate your content because our budget builds are awesome no matter how much we spend the everyday guy build that's what I look forward to

[@bstfordchannel923]

Thank you for this cause I like the same thing ( diy-ers ) out there that get down despite there talents .. I like this man i do I have to thank you again man

[@deanstevenson6527]

Jaime Rios : Yep. Garret Turbo or Eaton Supercharge Every Ford. BST:The block durability is best on the 351 W. The 351C's blocks are hard to keep cool and true and out of detonation damage unless you decompress. The 302 W 5.0 is able to be protected by sump girdle and Palmear tie rods. When turboed, my opinion is you dont stroke a Ford. The only exception would be a 2.3 liter...Id stroke to 2.5 liter and even use a 2.0 Ranger block to protect the cylinder walls from collapse under heavy boost...always a Ford weakness because after 1969 all Fords except BBFs had iron casting downgrades to pay for winning Le Mans. Ford took all the metal out of small blocks that they added for free to big block FE's, MEL's and all the other revised Lima BBF Thunder Jets from 1968...the 370/429/460. Ak Miller saw a reduction in casting thickness from 242 thou to just 189. On the cylinder walls, from 242 to just 130 on Clevelands verses the FE. So the Message is Al Green Love. Dont be gready on any thin wall Henry. What you save on keeping the internals stock, you spend on the right gearbox and the fully avoiding missed gearchanges wrecking the dream like what happened to the 79-80 Carbed Mustang 2.3. The extra 44 hp that turbo made became a conrod loosing problem when you had really bad wide ratio 4 and 5 speed gearboxes. Miss a gear, shear a rod. Its a turbo verses gearing thang. For cheap thrills, the factory GT40Ps are everywhere and are great heads with soft combustion ( very long lead up before detonation sets in) which protects the not so strong 5.0 block. Id copy Jack Roushes 1988 25 th aniversary Mustang 351 Twin Turbo but with two matched Garret T03 60s from any SVO or two brand new aftermarkets on the Exploder 5.0. The 4bbl look comes by making a custom two twin throttle body MAFs on the upper intake. You join a left and right section of a stock Explorer upper, and put two F150 4.9, 5.0, 5.8 or 7.6 liter EFi throttle bodys on where two of the normal 62 mm MAFs go on the Explorers and Thundetbird MN12s. The dual MAFs are like 2bbl Holleys. They are 47, 50, 52 and 55 mm respectively (300, 302, 351 or 460 with EFi throttle sizes in millimeters) if I remember rightly. You keep the 5.0 rails and injector positions and sensors, and the stock cam. The injectors go up to 36 pounds. Your aiming for a Jack Roush 375 hp at 5000 rpm with the stock Explorer roller and no ring gap increases.The upper has 4 throttles in total feeding the eight ports to the lower intake.( Have a look at The Maserati quad cam V8s from 1966 to 1985 and the 81 to 84 Biturbo and Aston Martin DBS V8 and Vantages used an air cleaner system like it, but they werent EFi.) This suggestion makes an EFi intake a twin 2bbl side draft looking upper intake in alloy, feed by two turbos. If you want a five speed, you just H-A-V-E have to avoid missed gear change rev-through-the-roof failures to block and gear set, so Id personally make it into a modern Liberty Bull Nose TopLoader on the cheap and covert that T5 it to T4 like the Mustang 3.3 liter 1981 gearbox. There was no overdrive on those. It had a T5 case 1352, but no overdrive gearset in the case. My reasoning: There is no need for an overdrive in a turbo 5 liter Explorer engine with 10 pounds of twin turbo boost. The 1974 to 1988 Porsche Carrera Turbos used a close ratio four speed gearbox, and gearfailure was the reason for not providing a Five speed for 14 years of Turbo 3 and 3.3 liter production. You can intercool, but with the EEC5, you can use the stock Ford clock speed for one MAF, and operate two of them under load with the aftermarket 80 dollar knock sensor and the the electronics are easier. The EEC5 that was turbo was the Barra engine management system gentelmen. Ti in Oz have a kit to turbo the EEC5 which is mapped. The Aussie 5.6 liter Falcon T3 250 kilowatt Pursuit engine is just an Explorer 5.0. When done this way with twin turbos and no internal mods and a good strong gearbox you wont miss a gear on, youll have a softer boost curve, with more control of boost on and off the throttle.Turbines for Speed BatMan!.

[@BareRoseGarage]

Junkyard Tips: Lot of yards drain all the fluids before sending them out, but the stick itself will still tell you something. Look at the top of the stick for carbon and odd color. Pull the fill cap and flip it over look for milk or carbon. Coolant Res, same thing, look for oil and milk res. As for which one would I do, the 302 or 351? Which ever one I can put a carburetor on and throw the factory ECU in the garbage. That and space, those 302's fit in really tight spots like the old cars/trucks from '55 down that came with I6's or Shock Tower Fords from the 60's.

[@bstfordchannel923]

great TIP! we need these little tips to help use yardrs to get a good score!

[@alertgasper]

was going to say the same about the oil cap, but i'll add...in some yards, you can grab GT40P heads from an explorer, bolt them on a 351W small block, and still count as an engine core cost. If you don't want the heads for your 351W build, you can probably re-sell 'em for more than a stock set of 351W heads.

[@OrangeBoss-ww8eb]

351W always go with cubes if you can, I am old school

[@bstfordchannel923]

I hear ya brother , thats why I am leaning old school a bit.. really kinda wanted a 351c , but the trans I have just will not mount up without adapters

[@osoblizz7937]

I'm so glad I found this comment. I had a 90 fox body LX mustang 5speed with a 302 H.O. simple bolt on. That was 10 yrs ago i loved the power as it was my first car. I just bought a 89 Mustang GT, popped the hood and found a carbureted 351W auto looks like alotta work has been done. Is the 351 gonna put out more power?

[@deanstevenson6527]

The race spec 5.0 Greens Tough or Yellow Pine Pac Mustang Foxes with a " lofting it" roller cam and stock intake savagely cut, internaly ported and two pot epoxied back together. It end up with the same power as a K code 289 GT40 Le Mans 304/318 cam four IDA engine made in 1967. 350 to 390 hp and it was still about 40 to maybee 110 hp down on the best Qjet 304or twin IDF Holden 308. It used the 650 double pumper Holley 4bbl, headers and ported heads with 11 to 1 compression and the stock 85 forgrd pistons. And a BMW/Volvo/ Vauxhall Getrag 5 speed 262 case gearbox. I don't think Ive heard a nicer engine. The 289 GT350 and Boss 302 perhaps had a harder edge, but they werent geared with a close ratio five speed and missed the better ignition and roller cams lovely soft warble. The 50 ounce unbalance crank probably is responsible for the many oil pump, timing gear and block cracking failures in the later 390 hp at 7000 rpm trim, but there were factory zero balance steel Motorsport SVO cranks to help out. Not legal for Group À. 155 mph at 7000 rpm is pretty nice.

[@bstfordchannel923]

thank you for this comment Dean i must have read this about 2 times. I love the Dick Johnson Mustang ( he complained about the speed ) of the car but handle very well.. Thank you for this comment mate.. Thank you

[@jaco5187]

I have a 68 that had a 289. I wanted to put in a 351W, but I think one mistake people make is they always build way more powerful engines than they need. I ended up going with a 302 with aluminum heads. I couldn't be happier!

[@samuelweiss4548]

Damn man, YOU the one out here spreading the real motivation for us who all share the love of the hot rodding world. Keep these videos coming man!

[@bstfordchannel923]

I am trying to keep it simple and fun ( with out the Sema type stuff ) that make US common guys just say f it ( when we start to build a car ) cause we see these massive budgets and see get so sick when the price tag comes along. the screen ( when watching a show ) lol .. I want to put my spin on having fun do some research ad ask as may questions to what ca be done with in a budget.. Thank you for the support Samuel thank you deeply for this

[@prushimush]

351 Cleveland is expensive and uncommon nowadays, but was a strong performer in the 70s. 351 Windsor has a stronger block than late model 5.0 HO 302 engines and can use almost all of their aftermarket parts, but 351Ws tend to come with shitty cast rods, pistons and truck cams, so they need a bit of work before dumping them into a Foxbody or something similar if you're wanting high compression or boost. Explorer 5.0 engines are pretty nice; you get hypereutectic pistons and forged rods, decent GT40 heads and EFI intake out of the chassis, but it suffers from thin main webbing like all 302 blocks. I run a supercharged 302 in my Foxbody and a NA Explorer 5.0 in my Ranger. I need the low deck height of the 302 for header clearance in the Ranger, though I'd love a 351W based build for the Foxbody. Clevelands IMO aren't worth it in 2020; aftermarket is more expensive and limited compared to Windsors. Once you bolt on some aftermarket heads to a 351W, you have an engine that can match or exceed the performance of a Cleveland, and is lighter and cheaper to build. Easy choice unless you want the Cleveland look for a 70-74 chassis.

[@reignbird3167]

BST I agree with Pru stay with the 351w.

[@bstfordchannel923]

Well written brother.. i enjoyed and taking all what you mentioned in.. Thats why i said Cleveland was out.. I see the number aint quite there unless you take it there... 302 and 351w has aftermarket support like you mentioned.. I need to really find and figure machine shops and such,, I have a few tricks i will apply to the build that should help with a few things on the motor.. Going with good compression 9 to 1 aint going to cut it honestly.. so i have a plan be while working on plan A.. This was a great write up .. i really thank you for this.

[@holycow8233]

Always a fan of the old 302 and 351 Cleveland. Was not as into the Windsor’s.

[@bstfordchannel923]

I here ya brother I would do a 351c , but the 5 speed hard to find PLENTY of so this route i have to go..

[@johnbroughton3401]

Big car, big iron. I like the Cleveland. You're looking to choose between the 351 W and the 302... I'd use the 351 for the bigger car and save the 302 for a li'l scrapper like a 'Stang or Falcon (Or Ranger).

[@bstfordchannel923]

I read ya John .. Thats what I was thinking 302 needs lost of help on a full size car in theory .. we are rolling with the 351w

[@Thirdgen83]

The 302 is not a Windsor. It was built in Cleveland. The 289, and 351w are Windsors. While the 289 and 302 are part of the same engine family (90-degree V-8, thinwall casting), only the 289 is a Windsor.

[@bstfordchannel923]

each video I make a slight error and this was different.. was not thinking. it took a min to make the video chopping and such a big error on my part, Cause I had the title before the video and I worked around that.. Knowing The 302 was manufactured in Windsor from 1968 to 1978 everything after that it was Cleveland I knew something was wrong , but i let the video fly any way.. Thank you for this

[@Thirdgen83]

@@bstfordchannel923 I mentined it only because everyone always refers to the 302 as a "Windsor", and it's not. Only the 289 and 351 were made at tbe Windsor plant.

[@musclecargarage8882]

My 69 stang came with a carb 302 i yanked it out and sold it. I put in a efi 302 with ported gt40 heads. She loves to pull

[@bstfordchannel923]

so the efi runs harder than the old 302 . Amazing I think I would have done the same

[@musclecargarage8882]

@@bstfordchannel923 yea cant beat it

[@bstfordchannel923]

@@musclecargarage8882 right on brother I have to get some help with these builds so they can move forward... I have to tickle the maverick get that all fours..

[@musclecargarage8882]

@@bstfordchannel923 Trust me i know the feeling.

[@duster0066]

You did one I have no experience with. Oh wait I had a Mustang II with a 302 for a few months. I learned why you don't pour cold water into an overheated engine. Yip, broke it.

[@bstfordchannel923]

Many people have done that just out of. let me get water back in the car... lets take it a ste further to the human body.. We tend to eat hot food then drink a cold drink. e should not do this also

[@duster0066]

@@bstfordchannel923 I remember that I had a worn out 86 5.0 LX Mustang to, I think the only Windsors I've had. I can remember a 302 Maverick that scared a few guys around town, but not the built cars. My 302 had all the bolt-ons, but was very disappointing. They just were chocked up in the heads, and there weren't any cheap fixes. It was a Cleveland or big block world for Ford fans back then. I don't even remember any 351W dreamers. The 80s changed all of that with the success of the 5.0 Mustangs. You do a good job of telling the old hot rod stories pretty much as I remember them.

[@chrisgouger9299]

1986 and newer 302 with roller lifters and forged rods. That 4.000 inch cylinder reacts well to modifications and the small crank likes to rev...

[@bstfordchannel923]

I read you loud a clear Chris! so for my maverick i picked this and installed it click here when you have some time kzbin.info/www/bejne/nH2vknWpqK2FrNE

[@MP-pz9oe]

I concur with you with all the parameters you are looking in an engine. After much consideration, I chose the 347 with 11R heads. Exelent power to weight ratio with exelent power to money ratio .

[@bstfordchannel923]

i am out of the realm of the 302 i need to learn more about it... I know zero about v8 carbs i lean more to efi... click here MP kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJumo2Bpd9uKZqs

[@MP-pz9oe]

I have EFI

[@bstfordchannel923]

@@MP-pz9oe well i am building a junkyard hotrod-ish out of a 95 Crown Vic check video out when you have some time kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGfViWCDg6uIeZI

[@michaelyoho4848]

I like your thinking and your enthusiasm. I am planning a 351 roller swap in my 69 Mustang and I look forward to learning from your build. Thank you.

[@bstfordchannel923]

sorry for the late reply and thank you for this comment Mike... Its was well worth the wait... just answering all the comment on this channel it takes awhile

[@ImChrisDuke]

I still got the 302... if anything before doing a 351 I'd do the coyote... big cost difference of course

[@bstfordchannel923]

that 302 just needed a built bottom and turbo that,,, Coyote will be the better option for you though Chris.. That i can see you doing that 1

[@robertbutler1576]

Grew up running the pushrod Windsor and Cleveland engines, the 4.6 and 5.4 motors that I worked on seemed to have timing chain guide issues. love the Coyote 5.0 if if it fits between the fenders...

[@bstfordchannel923]

those are sweet but i have to give the 302 some light again somehow

[@leonardwalters154]

Depends on the torque you want, I prefer the 351 ,but I live in the mountains, so the torque is more useful in my situation

[@bstfordchannel923]

351 is the aim for now I would like that built if possible..

[@leonardwalters154]

@@bstfordchannel923 hate to say it, but it's all about the money, I've been out of work because of taking care of elderly parents, but I'm not giving up yet!! Still looking for my next javelin

[@btwgarage5265]

Love seeing more ford fans like me and the old junkyard scavenging builds are how we grew up and what we could afford. That being said I raced short track and used 351 and 347 Windsor made less power but cheaper build 347 was great but have to turn lot of rpm and when something broke there wasn’t anything to rebuild. I personally think 331 ford stroker is the one that is to often over looked good solid little set up

[@NewEngland462]

The new “procomp”. Heads by speedmaster are pretty legit. Swapped in a set of trickflow 190 11rs and really aint much a difference

[@bstfordchannel923]

ahhh ok i have to learn the push rod game

[@salteengamer4799]

302, 302 HO pistons, Z303 cam, GT40P heads, 1.5 rockers, long tube tuned length headers, underbody rajay 370F twin turbos, 2.5" dual exhaust with glasspacks, Explorer Intake, 24 lb/min injectors, cold air intake,

[@bstfordchannel923]

Thank you for this comment.. thats sound very close to what i have in mind... I was going to put it in this car when you have time check this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYeQi4ida6eekLM I changed direction cause tickets and other crap... thank you for you comment on this video salteen

[@gregcrook3436]

I like to keep it old school too! I believe that gold car in the bone yard was an Oldsmobile.

[@deanstevenson6527]

Greg Crook : On My Dads side of the family prominant orchardist down here, they had H body imports.Ive had the pleasure of rides in these. They aint bad. Although rust prone for you guys, down here, a Buick Skylark with 5 speed Saginaw/Borg Warner T50 with Porsche race gate 3.8 V6 or a Chevy Monza with 129 hp Cali spec 5.7 litre came with THM 200s and moon shot gearing. 2.29 axle! Such a smooth windcheater as a hatch. The Iron Duke 2.5 wasnt a real engine the step up options were the cool options...until they lost the bent sixes and eights. SlowsVille!. Bonneville salt flats is where you take an H body....to race at 250 mph with a stroked alloy Rover or 215 BOP V8. Or in the old days before it returned to Air Force training, hoary old but lovely Maxton at 188 mph on the cement.

[@bstfordchannel923]

I seen the emblem, but the body style was starfire-ish you that rebadge stuff they still do lol

[@gregcrook3436]

@@deanstevenson6527 Wow! Thanks for the history lesson. When i was in college there was a guy with a chevy monza. It looked ratty but it was the car to beat on the street! My cousin had a bright red monza with the iron duke. The h body was a cool body style

[@danielmcqueen1024]

OH!... Another dirty trick they used to do was they had a hidden oil tank that they would let loose to caused an 'Oil on Track' caution so they could pit :) Not sayin but Parnelli Jones was one of several drivers doing this!

[@bstfordchannel923]

wow they did that? I think that was in the tail lights

[@danielmcqueen1024]

@@bstfordchannel923 Yep... They found fire extinguishers filled with oil and a hose thru the floor! NASCAR first had the issue and quietly starting 'Car Inspections' before And after the race!

[@Hutch_moto]

It's been almost 20 years ago but last VERY budget engine I had in my maverick was a 1988 5.0 HO short block and I use 1970 2v 302 heads had them shaved to 56cc combustion chamber ,gasket matches the intake runner's and port out the lump as its called on the exhaust side ,gasket matched aswell , lunati roller cam ,I will have to look up specs of that, dont remember. Victor jr. Single plane demon full time 4bbl ,long tube headers. 125 shot nitrous on 110 gas ran 7.11 at 93 in 1/8 mile. Not super fast but fun. But I could slap street tires on it and drive anywhere. Dont think missed anything. Anyhow hope maybe that gives ya some more data to through inthe mix. Take care buddy.

[@bstfordchannel923]

thank you for this... I remember many guys speak of this set up.. the issue is where to find these heads.. cause thats been the issue.. i seen the go for 3-400 i am like wow seems cheap but i have to work the heads then thats a NEW set in my eyes.. Great info I like the story though

[@Hutch_moto]

@@bstfordchannel923 I agree now days there are better options , back them seemed like there were much more available. If I were to do it now I would prob go 331 and series 302 explorer heads or maybe the world product iron heads . To answer your question on how that lightning sounded it had the mellow deep tone that's characteristic of any small block for with long runner efi upper intake . I have always liked that sound , much different than carb setup note . That being said if I were to go efi and had the budget for it I would get one of the after market setup like fast fuel or Holley sniper . Since you can slap it on a carb intake and much easier to tune than trying to adapt stock efi wiring and tuning ,all that hassle

[@alphathefirstone1222]

Thats the real challenge..can you build the powerful engine on the lowest budget..lets see.. I am thinking get two m90 sc from junkyard gm regals , 351w or 460 .gt40 heads carb fi and fox body rear end...or 14 psi 4.6 2v look up "low buck turbo"..lets see what happens..

[@bstfordchannel923]

that really the deepest mean of this CHALLENGE .. I have all the est cost on my builds each I max out at 4k complete.. Mna you sound like we are going for the same thing no 14psi for me , but later i will..... example I have $1,800 on my turbo vic build and thats price of the car,, Maverick is around $1,600 in right thats cost of car.. I have to do a more detailed cost .. for myself maybe thats the next video..

[@bstfordchannel923]

thank you for this

[@brianmaynard7320]

Gotta Love your roots, brother!! You are passionate and I love that!! Love that 351!! Stay safe! Peace and love my man!!!

[@bstfordchannel923]

thank you for this man... when i am not on here I read the and watch olds school stuff...Just want to know a few things and catch a vibes and try to apply that in the todays world.. I want to do it justice Brain ( on the cheap ) to a point lol

[@brianmaynard7320]

@@bstfordchannel923 and that's What I love about ya.. You catch the vibe and follow through.. God bless you!!

[@bstfordchannel923]

@@brianmaynard7320 god bless you and your brother.. i will not let you down bro.. I will stand firm on the build.. The car is very important

[@racer6583]

The 351 bro bored out .060, a gt40 cam will fit in a 351,p40 heads port matched intake to the gasket and port match the heads both intake and the exhaust side shorty headers flip upside down find a 250/350 diesel and snatch the turbo off it, run a 8 or 10 lb spring in the gate, should get you in the 450 to a bit over 500 hp the only down side to this is you'll have to run on 91 or better fuel. and might have to add a methanol injection to help prevent engine knock or drop the cr to 9.5, oh forgot to start with 10.1 cr pistons.

[@bstfordchannel923]

great write by the way I will do this..

[@Jsf445]

I’ve got trucks, and early Broncos so I’m going more cubic inches every time.

[@stevensturdevant7817]

I know this is old but are you still working on cars I got a 289 Mustang 66 I want to put the 351 Windsor in it right now it's got a 3-speed automatic transmission in it for the 289 I blew the engine 289 little hole right in the side of the engine block

[@bstfordchannel923]

I do work on car but do have the room to work for others... Thats engine will be a good choice vs the 289, but 289 can do some work in a light body car

[@heavymetalmadness666]

My project I went with a 351w . The plan was to stroke it to 408, but it just ended up being a 351+ the .030 over, so it's about 360. It seems at that the 302 stroked to a 347 might have been the way to go. The swap headers is the big difference for my application. The cost difference between 302 and 351 swap headers is the cost of the stroker crank. I ran eagle rods and new pistons, so only the crank is a stock piece. Big mains can run high rpm, but you need very high oil pressure. Everything about the 351 is just flat out bigger and some what better. Though a 302 is around 50 -100 pounds lighter considering heads and intake are the same metals. My 351 should weigh what the stock iron head and intake 302 did. I don't care what many might think, but the 3 inch stroke isn't good enough for a moderate street driven car, and had no business ever being put in trucks.You are just throwing a lot of seat of the pants feeling away for some rpm range you'll rarely ever be at, or gearing it to 4.11 or more and screaming down the highway when you didn't need to with 3.30 or 3.55 gears that would net the same feeling with the higher torque curve and at lower rpms with the bigger stroke. My opinion super budget build 351w all the way, And in all reality I was just hoping to put a nice stock 351 in my project, cam it and hope for 250 hp. But once you tear it down and it this and that isn't good enough and next thing you know now why not go for 400 horse power. At the 400 goal a 347 or 351 is a toss up, and based on engine packaging.Over 400 and money is no object then you're building a 427 out of a 351w platform, and 550 +hp

[@heavymetalmadness666]

@@jerryfrost6783 I'm aware the deck heights and my point was more about the 8.2 289/302 vs a 351w 9.5 . As it gets taller it also gets wider, so headers become some what of a major issue. Hood clearance might be a factor as well. My car is perfect 351w with Weiand stealth intake, but I have a Shelby style hood that adds some room for the combo with enough air cleaner. My original thought was run that intake with a 1 inch spacer to open the plenum up for both banks, but hood clearance would be an issue with a proper air cleaner .If I'm just shy of a goal I'll pull the intake back off and mill the center divider down an inch, or run the spacer and no air cleaner( which I could do but never would)

[@ivonnesoto7007]

Hey I’m becoming a fan I’m a brother from Dallas and been a Bow Tie Man since 16. I recently got a 75 ranchero for 700 and I’m hooked on ford now. So some love on the 335 family of pushrod engines

[@bstfordchannel923]

that as a sweet a$$ deal you got Ivonne welcome to the other side bro... Chevy have the classic car and ENGINES on lock, but you can be different on the block with that ride you picked up. Congrats on that school and checking video.. i thank you so much.. This is what i have now kzbin.info/www/bejne/Znvalo2nhsdjpbc

[@stuffandjunkandthings364]

My recipes- early 289 block and crank, 302 rods, 351c pistons, 351c 4v heads, ALL OF THE REVS. Early 302 block, 331 stroker kit AFR 180 renegade heads, Hi ram intake, dual quads and a lumpy cam (see also: ALL OF THE REVS) late 351w block, forged pistons, AFR 180 renegades (flow good, not horribly expensive), RPM airgap intake, 750cfm carb, decent roller cam

[@bstfordchannel923]

You know i am writing this down lmao.... I like this one!

[@NewEngland462]

Me and u be good friends lol we talk the same. Bro i made 290rwhp on a fox with a explorer intake. Junk yard gt40s and stock cam

[@bstfordchannel923]

thats all you need the weight has to be right for the car to make waves... I like the junky route , but my yard is running out of stuff now...Can get the good stuff ( I sold stuff during covid ) bad move

[@maxie9506]

Random question: Have you seen richard holdener's videos? he has an awesome one for 4.6 capable of 600 under boost. He also puts up numbers and recopies for 4.6, 4.8, 5.0, 5.3, 5.7, 6.0 and on. I watch his content everyday. Check him out.

[@bstfordchannel923]

yes the bald head guy.. I seen a few of the video he is good. I have watch in detail 1st time you watch you miss something... thank you for the reminder

[@kevincruz4045]

Just saw this video. Maybe you already made your choice, but I think the 3O2 is perfect for the Maverick because you can get the power to the ground. 351= tire smoke.

[@bstfordchannel923]

I bought both motors 302 and 351 and i sold the 351 o to the fact it would take more money to have it run...So i installed a 302 efi from a Explorer and put it in a Maverick kzbin.info/www/bejne/Znvalo2nhsdjpbc Thank you so much for the comment you are so right Kevin

[@freedom456able]

I'll take the 302; it was in my 1969 Coupe with over 253,000 miles, fun car to work on, very simple. What I did to it. Reinforce the sub-frame boxes. Shock towers reinforced with a Shelby Shock Tower Brace with a Monte Carlo Bar. Holley Two Barrel Carb. Dual Exhaust with cross over H-Pipe. Added a heavier Sway Bar in the front with a Sway Bar in the Back with welded in sleeve bushing I made. Gas Shocks, Stock Steel Rims Moon Caps. I drove it all the time. With the added Sway Bars I could go around a corner FLAT! The sad News is that a car ran a RED Light hit me, I spun around hit two other cars it was totaled. Two Barrel Carb vs Four Barrel just uses more gasoline. My Two Barrel Carb was very efficient with performance. I got 18-19 mile per gal. I didn't have to prove anything. With over 253,000 mile on it I could still hit 95 mph easy! The Key why my 302 lasted was Oil Changes & Marvel Mystery Oil was its lead substitute when added to gasoline, protected the Top Cylinders what Leaded Gasoline use to do. In December 1999 was its end. I still miss that car! When my Brother bought it in 1974 as a used car it had 79,000 mile on it. yet we found out later the engine was bored out, this is why it had a little more bang! Take care, keep it simple!

[@bstfordchannel923]

Great READ King... I am down with the 302 also, but I had to go 4.6 dohc for the new-ish school... i will be back with a 302 again very soon

[@illinoiscentralrailroadfan6015]

For me it's the 1995 302 HO out of the 95 svt Cobra Mustang I had one in my 1979 F-100 with a 4.11 limited slip

[@bstfordchannel923]

Well you just have to wait a litlle bro.. just give me sometime .. Cause I like that m0tor also

[@cmr2079]

I love the 351s exhaust note.

[@bstfordchannel923]

I never heard one ( sounds crazy ) or do not remember lol ... 351 is king

[@05gtdriver]

The later 302 H.O. have the same firing order as a 351W, so the exhaust note would come down to what cam is used, exhaust design(the way it's routed in the vehicle) and muffler choice...

[@محمدالباهلي-ه4ق]

hello man I enjoy your content from Kuwait! . I have a question that is not related to the video and Im Apologies for that . so I have a 2010 P7B looking to install a f150 2018 5.0 from LKQ the problem is that the engine may not come without harness at all my question is that . is the control pack that they sell that comes with the computer and all other stuff is the harness or there is other type of harness I should get in order to do my project . thx

[@bstfordchannel923]

This cool for the question I have friend from where you are at.. what trans are you going to run 5 speed or the Mustang auto click here lmr.com/Product/Search?q=control%20pack%20coyote .. this would be the best way for you to get the proper wiring for the set-up either auto or 5 speed to 6 speed.. ^0 you have to get that automatic trans

[@محمدالباهلي-ه4ق]

BST Ford Channel okay right I would like to keep my budget down cant I use my crown vic trans for a while with the 5.0 and then switch to the 10 speed after having the money for it ?

[@bstfordchannel923]

the issue is you either have choice of 6 speed auto or 10 speed auto... Note also there are 3 gens of harness. You have to sit with that.. This is fairly new-ish thing to run a auto Coyote in you vic... The best thing is to get a automatic FULL swap from a place like this click here kzbin.info/www/bejne/nH_Tm2dubtiCY7M you need to keep cost down you need a wreck car or learn the wiring like these guys did

[@bstfordchannel923]

or you can send them your harness to wire it OR send them some monet to show you how to do it..@@محمدالباهلي-ه4ق

[@محمدالباهلي-ه4ق]

BST Ford Channel thx for your help man you're the best looks like im going for th 10r80 thx alot

[@MattsRageFitGarage]

302 and 351w parts are pretty much the same cost, so 351w it is.

[@bstfordchannel923]

we are rolling with the 351 brother is will be the best option

[@msk3905]

There is no replacement for displacement, 351W

[@bstfordchannel923]

i have you down for the 351w

[@davescbradiorepair8195]

The 351 is a great motor and even though I'm a Cleveland guy the 351 windsor would be my second choice.

[@bstfordchannel923]

I will be getting another 351w.. I got rid of it cause I did not have a solid idea ( great motor I got to ) sold it ( needed the funds ) I looking for another the WISH list for the head I need the Yates old school heads c3 .. If not I need some race style heads circle track type stuff

[@tylerdavis2516]

I’m planning on getting a junkyard 351, boring it .030 over, throwing in a stroker kit to bring it up to a 408, get some AFR 205cc aluminum heads a LS style Holley high ram intake with a 105mm throttle body with 60lb injectors and a fairly big cam, hopefully I get upwards of 550hp NA out of this once it’s built.

[@upsidedowndog1256]

I have had good luck warming over my stock 289 heads. Larger valves, bronze guides, hardened exhaust seats, 7/16" rocker studs with Boss 302 style rockers, and minor porting. Hard to find good machinists these days though. My 289 would rev past 8000 rpm.

[@302F15]

You said a mouth full a lost art having a good machinist of any kind

[@bstfordchannel923]

aint that the TRUTH I think I have one they are old dudes my son uses. So that the guys i am rolling with. Man i have to copy this recipe here..

[@upsidedowndog1256]

@@bstfordchannel923 Don't forget guideplates for the pushrods if you use adjustable rocker arms. And hardened pushrods become mandatory.

[@upsidedowndog1256]

@@bstfordchannel923 Ye Olde 289 recipe: Chevy 454 screw in rocker studs, 1.94 Intake valves, 1.60 exhaust. Bumpy camshaft (268 duration with .5" lift), single plane intake, Carter AFB 625 cfm carb, MSD billet distributor. 6A box works but no rev limiter. 6AL has rev limiter. I shift when it quits pulling.

[@bstfordchannel923]

@@upsidedowndog1256 this is good stuff. i have I want to get busy on that like now, but I have to finish this vic and get that mobile. then i can get started on that. this is good info

[@NewEngland462]

Junkyard 351. Get a f4t block. Tfs stage 2 cam. Trickflow 190s. 1.7 rockers. Airgap intake. 750 double pumper. 73 jets primary. 83 rear. 31 squirters. Pink cams. 73/31 on airbleeds. 32 dgr total timing. 16 intial all in at 1800 rpms. Don’t even need a choke. Dynoed at tires 463 rwhp. 425ftlbs. All i did was change bearings bro. Stock pistons

[@CamAteUrKFC]

302 bored to 306, cam with 312/316 x .595, hydro lifters, roller rockers, internal harmonized crank, Edellbrock performer intake, make my own headers ...etc etc

[@bstfordchannel923]

great recipe on that bro!

[@JacksoNR26]

Id rather do a built 302 or a 331 stroker

[@bstfordchannel923]

i just picked up a 351w for the 3rd time... This one I will not sell.... I have to learn how to do these motors

[@JacksoNR26]

U wouldn't mind a 351 windsor swap for a 67 cougar but idk. I'm concerned about block strength for a 302 for 7000 rpm red line. Ik for a fact that f you push over 500hp the block will split

[@LITTLE1994]

It's all preference and money. For my '89 Vic, I would want a 351W because it's larger and that's what the police version had. But if the 302 could go beyond 500hp (I'm good with at least 425hp Hemi-like power), I'm fine with that.

[@bstfordchannel923]

VERY VERY true statement you made hear... Its all about what you like and what to spend on... Your making good numbers I mean GREAT numbers

[@alertgasper]

if the engine compartment is small, the 302 is a good idea, since its less weight on the front tires (where 60% of the braking happens, but i'm referring to handling issues) and more room for a real exhaust header like a tri y or long collector. this is even more a factor when an OEM Windsor head is used, due to the poor exhaust ports. But I also see on the internet, Fox Mustang owners who toss a bunch of parts at their car (like, say, 4.10:1 rear gears and then complain they can't get traction) and then don't experiment with different launch RPMs (some 5.0 owners will take off at 4,000 RPM with OEM cylinder heads) or how many times they change gears in a quarter mile. A well tuned OEM 5.0 will turn a 13 second quarter, so if you swapped a bunch of parts and you're not beating mid 13's, you may want to reconsider your driving style first before adding a bigger engine.

[@racer6583]

oh sorry I see someone else had the same thought as I did guess I should read comment's before I go spoutin things

[@bstfordchannel923]

no brother it is cool. we are talking pn this... its great to tell me your thoughts cause. it will make me make sure i take this route.. I founda ecu tuner so this will be great way for me to test him out

[@jonathanlovelace8833]

302 with 289 rods with 351c heads every ford motor is good besides the 360

[@bstfordchannel923]

great recipe there bro

[@dekoldrick]

351w for me because I own a truck. More power for hauling. Unfortunately I have to work with the 302w it came with for now because I don't have the funds, tools or space to work on a swap.

[@bstfordchannel923]

The 351 is the move I can not wait to get my hands on another... You will see one soon on the channel

[@jamesperry1944]

302 stroked to 363 on an aftermarket block, 225 heads, custom grind cam, good single plane intake, long tubes and a carb and you're North of 450 to the wheels easily. That's a lot of motor in that size package.

[@bstfordchannel923]

very sweet recipe i like that one James i may copy that one

[@Alan-zz3st]

hey james. is that 302 stroked to 363 your current set up? would be nice to see some videos of that 🔥🔥

[@jamesperry1944]

@@Alan-zz3st no, it's a plan for the future in an sn95 build. There are several videos on KZbin of that setup being dynoed though. It's a strong motor.

[@slyane7320]

It all depends on what you want from the car...either motor is good,both are easy to build for power. Even using factory parts you can make both strong. I can't give you options unless I know what you're wanting for the end result... Also, don't diss the 351Cleveland it is (imho) a better motor than the 302 & the 351w...

[@bstfordchannel923]

the Clevland is a better motor stock.. i know they where selling products.. the issue with clevaland was trans thats it..Nothing more you are correct in this comment Beau thank you for this

[@stephenparker8460]

351w with Cleveland heads would be cool but intake choices would be limited and I don’t think it would be much cheaper than buying aftermarket heads. Gt40 heads seem rather small for a performance 351W build IMO, not to mention if they didn’t come from a lightning you would have to drill out the heads to accept the 351s larger head bolts. Explorer motor with a cam upgrade FTW

[@bstfordchannel923]

very true on the heads its not a big change in horse power and i do need to do some fitment.. that will cost very little.. again this is the issues i face with these head swaps ( pros and cons ) when I pick one I have to stick to it.. Thats why I ask what is the recipe from you guys.. This is a great reminder Stephen cause this is what I battle with

[@murphystreeter]

Don't put big power to the 351. The blocks break at the middle main journal up to the cam. When it starts to knock, you'll know your OE block is ruined. 302 (short deck Windsor) is much more durable. OE buildable to 400+hp without catastrophic failure. Take your late model 302 and modified your Cleveland heads for a wet intake, throw on a big carb, bump your distributor to 34° (lock it in) and you're done. No changes to the lower end or the cam. Already a roller.

[@bstfordchannel923]

man this was well put sorry for the delay on the response

[@murphystreeter]

Thanks ....or just rotary swap😂😂😂

[@harrison4ever125]

What I want to know is, what happened to the white Crown Vic you got from Vincent? What's going on with the Maverick? Why not finish the Maverick and save these other ideas for another day? If not, why not put an old school motor in that white Vic and a 5 speed and let it be your new project?

[@bstfordchannel923]

Mr Harrison this is for the white vic brother.. I finally figure what to do with the car. That will cost little money ( in theory ) .. Maverick has to get wired up. That is a task do to light and time I have to sit down with that and do NOTHING else. ... These thought is all about seeing which taste on the people on this... There will bet the 1st stange STOCK then break down engine and go from there.. This can not be done next week.. I have 3 projects and many ideas.. i will scale back because of funds i am not ashamed of that brother..

[@harrison4ever125]

@@bstfordchannel923 awesome man, let's see it.

[@jsimmonstx]

351w hands down. It costs just as much to build a 302 as it does a 351, but with the 351w you get a stronger block and more hp. No question, the 351 is the better choice.

[@bstfordchannel923]

100% correct on that bro... I just like the smallness of the 302 if punched out it can be something very sneaky

[@FairladyS130]

If extra weight and bulk is not a problem.

[@alexk7286]

thanks for the update on the builds! 👍🔧🔩⚙

[@bstfordchannel923]

no problem Alex its tough out here bro lol... these parts take like a 7 days to reach.. I am like dang man

[@granthartford]

Starfire! The Oldsmobile Vega

[@bstfordchannel923]

very strange to see one of those

[@tonywestvirginia]

The Starfire was a Monza. Not Vega!

[@xnoxkillxgaming392]

302 if you want to mod the shit out for cheap but 351 small mods makes the same power but. I would go with 351 just for look 😍😍😍

[@bstfordchannel923]

I got ya bro we are rolling with the 351 carb or efi , what is your taste

[@xnoxkillxgaming392]

@@bstfordchannel923 carb all the way I just like the old classic look efi would be great too but its more complicated in my opinion

[@chickenlegman5460]

@@bstfordchannel923 carb makes more power😎

[@fireguy8466]

289/302 all the way. Small package that can make a lot of “usable” power. Small stroke means rev it higher without fear of damage, abundance of parts all over the place….most common ford engine ever…

[@bstfordchannel923]

I am right with you i have build that little motor one day maybe in a oldschool fairlane or something

[@ThaSilentOne420]

Easy 351w Stroked to a 408 or 427 . Turbo it

[@bstfordchannel923]

very true very very easy... when i made this video... I was trying to figure what route to go... So whn swapping engine you go what it is plentiful to you so i took this route kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHnPdYZ-lL5sqq8

[@neilduncan8657]

I have a slightly modified ford explorer 302 gt40 (haltech)set up in my 1984 nissan 200sx great engine and small enough to fit in an older small nissan

[@misterbulger]

The 351 windsor in my 91 E350 clubwagon XL work van (Ex wheelchair van) is basically the power of a damn bus. In fact the title said bus on it. So I'm pulling for a damn bus engine in my mustang. But they're torque monsters so it just depends on traction I'd say. And I never got more than 7 mpg in that boat.

[@bstfordchannel923]

351 is the best small block engine... I will say that the TQ is there always. I still like the 302 for some odd reason, but 351 is the deal for real

[@misterbulger]

@@bstfordchannel923 I want to get a 4.6 94-04 range and start working on a 351 to eventually swap in... if I don't just love the 4.6 lol

[@bstfordchannel923]

@@misterbulger NOW thats sounds cool.. I was trying to take the 302 351w wave, but it was NOT working out... Somehow it just lead me to the DOHC and I have 3 engines now... Each time I went back to the junkyard i seen another $200 for each

[@bstfordchannel923]

@@misterbulger here is 1 of the videos kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXS2g6dmrMx3eqM

[@0rvelazqu]

I'm running a 306 long block crate engine in my 1970 mustang from BluePrint Engines. It makes 370 crank HP and it is almost as fast as my 04 Cobra. Even though the cobra is faster I still think the 1970 mustang is much more fun to drive. There is something about old school metal and the smell of unburnt gasoline lol

[@bstfordchannel923]

you said something here the older car is cooler drive AND just as fast as the 04 cobra. It is the metal.. We have a connection with it vs a car that made out of plastic ( thats the disconnect ) naturally people do not see that way.. Thats why we tend to have a connection with motorcycles ( more metal ) in many cases ( sound and speed ) is win to. Great comment Rafael

[@8.2deck]

I run a 1st generation falcon and miata so a 302 short deck fits much better, but for a fox body or a bigger car a 351 makes more sense.

[@bstfordchannel923]

i can side with that with no question Jacob great choices

[@jdwht2455]

Having built/used both in street rods, would always PREFER a 351W. Unfortunately the added 2-1/4" width at the heads wont always be your friend using a 351, Had I decided on a 351 in my current instead of a 302/5.0 Model A with stock dimension frame rails would have needed stockstyle exhaust manifolds instead of decent headers. Even those headers necessitated some "interesting" work to install steering shafting. Added 351 height may also have been a problem with the 5" engine setback and recessed firewall. A modular 4.6 or 5.0 was considered until I got the 'yardstick' out. Yeah, coulda, but not really worth the added cost plus time. Chebbie belly button engine - NOT in any Ford of mine.

[@bstfordchannel923]

I have that engine right now tucked away untill i can find some goodies for it.... Thank you for you view on the 351w ... Cause i know thats the best route to take

[@gabesoutdoors7848]

That 351w is better in a bigger vehicle the 302 has to be stroked to be decent, and great video.

[@bstfordchannel923]

351 is better deal no doubt gabe... the 302 in side if done right ( stroke ) can be something

[@matthewcalifana488]

I got 302 heads chevy valves looking for a 351 W block for cheap , Maybe jusr bare block and crank .

[@bstfordchannel923]

I seen afew of those but they want MONEY for something thats used ... its crazy sounds like you have a good recipe going Matt

[@brianberthold3118]

4.6 DOHC or the 5.0 Coyote with a as many gear trans as i could use in my 1994 mustang GT Convertible

[@bstfordchannel923]

I right with you with that logic... Its the gearing thatw e need

[@turboman351w3]

GOOD JOB BROTHER ITS STARTING TO COME ALONG

[@bstfordchannel923]

yes it is but i started something along with this a dohc 4.6 in a 95 crown victoria..

[@RoadRunnergarage8570]

That Olds Starfire had a lot of good parts on it for someone restoring one of those BTW...

[@timothyruggles7396]

Doller for doller part for part what you do to one do to other you get more from a 351w queb to queb. In 1980 I sead 351w was the big block of the future..as is mine was a 351w 60 over 362.5 10.5: 1 750cfm single-plane .512 lift 113 angle 426 hp 5500 439 tq. 4000 400tq.from 2000. To 5500 good maverick build 4.11 rear

[@bstfordchannel923]

sory for the late relp but GREAT story bro.. I have been answering comments for weeks

[@Dannymclovin]

I did an ls swap in my import and tbh the ls is overhyped it works makes great power but it's boring if you wanna be different ,my old v6 mustang needs attention it's an 01 and it seems that a 351w dressed up as a cobra engine would be really cool only problem Is 1 i have to hunt a 94 95 mustang engine crossmember 2 I cant find any foxbodys or 94 95 gt around any of the junkyards that are in my area because I need accessories brackets It seems the market just leans towards the ls for 50 bucks modefied modular ford mounts will accommodate the ls and they also make a foxbody accesory bracket new for 100 that let's you use a gm alternator and your stock power steering pump I dont care for brands so it wouldn't matter I just would like something different and dont wanna do an ls all over again

[@bstfordchannel923]

I feel the same way about the ls platform.. that 351 would be sweet you can find that crossmember . Just have to hunt and when you hunt you will find other parts

[@Dannymclovin]

@@bstfordchannel923 I really do want that 351w dressed as a cobra and I know theres a few 94 95 crossmembers the junkyard people even pull them for you for free I just never seen a 302 with the accessorys on them for the taking of course the accesories shouldn't be the selling point I'll try my best to get that 351w because I know I wanted it with a carburetor and an carb on an ls is too expensive so well see how it goes

[@dennisyoung4631]

Destroked 302 to give *two-eight-nine.* Then it will have the *F.O.R.D.* sound! Only one better would be a *351* with a 2.9” stroke. Longer rods will make it sound even more *F.O.R.D.*

[@bstfordchannel923]

1st time I ever heard that ... And i like where its going Dennis sound is just important as hp

[@codywatts7625]

1970 Mach One Mustang 351 Cleveland Block .40 over bore 6inch rods Dome Racing Pistons eskandarian high lift camshaft factory 1970 351 Cleveland Mustang heads ported and polished 850 Holley double pumper Race Gas ⛽ 12.5 to 1 Compression steel Racing crankshaft

[@aussieausdeutschland4245]

Ok, as my name suggests I am an Australian. And also by my picture I am a Ford Falcon owner. I still wish I had my old 73 XA Falcon I owned 30 years ago but today I make do with my 98 EL Falcon. Now I've had both 302 and 351 Clevos in and a couple of XA/XB Falcons... and yeah they are both good, but ya just beat the awesome feeling on stomping on the Loud peddle and letting those 351 inches launch you towards the horizon. In the video of you at the wreckers, those are all Windsor's in the Mustangs, so no good for a Clevo build. Mind you as my own current Falcon is one of the rare XR6 performance variants and although the Barra is a viable option for a engine swap, I really want a 351W for her... because a true performance Falcon has a 351

[@raymondjohnson3479]

First, two doors should be a must. Four doors just misses the point by a good little way. If you do a two door car that vibe comes with no assembly needed.

[@bstfordchannel923]

agree lmao, but times have change Muscle cars have 4dr now ( who knew ) tradition has been water down brother. Now with a limited supply of classic well we have to use what we can

[@raymondjohnson3479]

If you want those cars you can still get them. And for not a lot of money. If you need info just say because it looks like you have everything else. (Meaning motivation and enthusiasm)

[@raymondjohnson3479]

I didn't see Marauder mentioned. That car recalls a time when law enforcement got with OEMs to keep up on the nations roads. The cars that this model hearken s back to had the unmistakable sound of authority, and the speed to match! ---- four doors. So if you notch the frame, slam it just a little and not get to silly with the paint work, you might be able have your cake and eat it to. So go check out some of the folks cars like these were meant to keep up with. Example? Jr.Johnson and many other of some of best drivers the world has ever seen -- NASCAR. By the way, most were never caught.

[@thereno1173]

@BST Ford Channel thank you for the video! I've got a 1992 F150 4x4 regular cab o wanna build up. Has a 302, I was debating on building it or swapping for the 351w. I think cause it's a truck the 351 be the way to go. It's gonna be lifted on 35s with a bit of camping involved. Just want it to be beefy and mean enough lol also I want an aggressive cam so the whole truck shakes at idle lol goal is 500whp. I don't know much so I've got lots of research to do and this has been a great place to start! Thanks again!!

[@bstfordchannel923]

There is a lot of old school guys in the comment section they will gladly help you on the route you are going

[@mongomay1]

My only longtime experience is 180K on my 1997 351W engine. Main complaint the exhaust manifolds stink/crack like fine china. Everything is still factory original.

[@lestermartinez9548]

I don't know a lot about engines (I worked in auto body and tire shop for a few years) but I've always been partial to the 302 because it's so small and fits in cars it has no business being in

[@bstfordchannel923]

i am with you on that 302 is best suited, but i am trying to learn the 4.6 turbo stuff on a budget kzbin.info/www/bejne/oGbVYqShpLmemac

[@gregcrook3436]

As far as the 302 351 decision, 302 goes good in a small car like the maverick and 351 would be better in a bigger car. But nothing wrong with putting a 351 in a small car. A lighter package will require less hp to roll out. As far as Cleveland vs Windsor, not so sure. You can get lots of hp out of both.

[@bstfordchannel923]

thats the route that I am going.. I may throw a curve ball for little while i am building the 351..Just because of fitment and parts gathering... This is a great comment by you bro this will help

[@wanderinggentile]

If you're putting an automatic in the upcoming project, I would go for a 351 with its big fat torque. Big heavy cruisers are cool, and you're not having to wind it out to merge onto the expressway. In the Maverick with a stick, the 302 isn't as large physically as a 351W, and you can get more oomph by revving the pee out of it. That looks like more of a light competition build, and you can throw first-gen Mustang parts at it to make something that will corner well, too. I love all the Cobra stuff, but on a Windsor, I think it suits the character of a smaller car better. The big car with a generic set of polished aluminum valve covers and a clean polished plenum would be straight out of a Hot Rod Lincoln model.

[@bstfordchannel923]

Thats a good point on the look of the 351 just keep that to its own lane as far as looks,. And keep cobra style to the little v8s

[@bstfordchannel923]

thank you for this food for thought brother.. thank you great angle

[@michaelosullivan8288]

Which is more better in Windsor 302 or 351 but we know both has same head sizes

[@bstfordchannel923]

hmmm? i would say 302, but you can build a better 351 for the same cost... so 351 is the better hit

[@michaelosullivan8288]

@@bstfordchannel923 so that means I got 302 5.0litre fuel injection in my 95 EF Fairmont Ghia