308 vs 30-06 - [Which is Better???] Drop, Energy, and More Discussed

Talking drop, energy, and more - comparing 308 vs 30-06! Which is your favorite???
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[@adamelam6385]

The 30-06 is still so versatile even over a century later.

[@bryanrussell1407]

Mauser 98 Still dropping targets at 1000+ yards with a 55gr homebrew. I grew up with it... even after the m40a3.. I still prefer the 30-06

[@jimmycook872]

I have both but I find the 30 06 180 g excellent for knocking down buffaloes in Australia. Both 308 & 30.06 are good all rounders. They are both my favourites. Great content as usual. 🇭🇲😀👍🍻🍻

[@frisk151]

This says a LOT, for sure!

[@jimmycook872]

@@frisk151 LOL . 👍🍻

[@nathandeshane3442]

I bought a tikka t3x in 30-06 and I love it!

[@reloadnorth7722]

I just traded my 15 year old Savage Axis 308 for a Parker Hale 300 WIn Mag. I still have 2 other 308 to choose from. The 30-06 is a great caliber also, with so much potential for heavier weight bullets to choose and reload. Stay safe and Happy Shooting

[@doubled3983]

Hello from Oklahoma! Good Video! Great information!👍👍 Great to have a good dog for a buddy. I've hunted with the 30-06 for years. I'm 63. Can't speak on the .308, I've never used it. My favorite load is a pet reload with the 165 grain SP Hornady bullet. My personal limit is 300 yards. I've used it to drop mule deer in the black hills, white tail in the woods, 2 black bears and a few hogs. Even a coyote or three. Thanks for all U do. God Bless!

[@francisbarbeau1862]

I love both and have both! look guys the 308 is a 7.62 X 51. The same ballistic being pushed by more powder in the '06! The 30-06 is a 7.62 X 63! The 06 is ALWAYS the winner(with all other things being equal)! The reason the Military phased it out was 2 fold. 1) weight and 2) 30-06 is less controllable at a Fast rate of fire! WTW good Job!

[@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595]

That and 30-06 box magazines would be really unwieldy.

[@francisbarbeau1862]

@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 They are bulky, but the BAR Mags are easy to use but the weight is a killer! Standard load for a BAR was 12 - 15 mags.!

[@Marktk72]

Another point would be .308 should be short action vs the 30-06 is a long action. A great example of this would be .300WSM vs .300 Win mag.

[@camwinston5248]

@@francisbarbeau1862 the '06 is a 7.62x 57 is it not ?

[@francisbarbeau1862]

@@camwinston5248 Negative. it is a 7.62 X 63!

[@alexllc2958]

For long range shooter ; 308 & 30-06 are the same bullet different cartridge ;) If you reload both cartridge with the same bullet weight and different powder load to get the same Mz Vel , you will get the same drops ....

[@denisleblanc4506]

In 1990 I was looking for a new rifle to replace my my heavy Remington 742 in 30-06 to hunt deer. I test fired many bolt action rifles in 308 and 270 but found the recoil to be a little much in the lighter rifles. So I ended up buying a 7mm-08. I found that it was close to 30-06 in trajectory and energy at long range (300 yards is long range for me) with available loads at the time. Here are some numbers for the 2 best Hornady loads. At 300 the drops are 11.4 and 13 inches. At 600 yards they are 77 and 83.7 inches so it beats all your loads. Energy at 300 yards are 1770 and 1783 ft-lbs. At 600 yards they are 1119 and 1206. It beats almost all the 308's and 30-06's. And we all know that energy at the muzzle only counts for grizzly. For the rest its at range. Not bad for a youth ladies caliber.

[@stevefisher2121]

I still have a Ruger American 308 that I customized into a long range tack driver. The thing with the 308 is you have to keep it within its effective range. Other than that I wouldn't trade it for anything plus ammo and reloading supplies are always readily available.

[@briangabriel4165]

Same supplies as the 30-06

[@jti2007]

Kind of true for all calibers! Each caliber has its limitations and does the job it’s intended for when used within those parameters.

[@andybreglia9431]

On a field training exercise, I got to watch a Browning .30 caliber machine gun firing next to an M60 machine gun. I couldn't see either gun, but I could tell which was firing big watching the tracers. M60 had a higher trajectory than the .30 cal. Had to hold higher to reach the target.

[@jerrybobteasdale]

Good stuff. For me, the standout value is the energy of the .308 CLT 180 gr at 600 yd. That 1097 is just 107 ft-lb from the highest .30-06 on the chart, and it ties or beats the other .30-06 loads seen here.

[@joelmcmahan7386]

Both the 30/06 and 308 are great tools and both have their fan groups. Either one will do the job and have been good tools for the hunting community. 30/06 or 308 it don’t matter which one you like both are good hunting calibers. Thanks Who Tee Who for fun and informative videos. 💪🏽🎥💯👍🙏🏻

[@frankjrmuchnok2647]

My dad didn’t hunt but I had a friend's dad that offered to take me along deer hunting if I had my own rifle. My dad bought me a sporsterized 1909 Argentine Mauser in 30.06 around 1970. It must have been the gun-store guy that recommended the Remington 180 gr. Core-lokt ammo for Pa white-tails but I’ve been using it ever since. The guy knew his sh*t 50 years ago.

[@MrSparty8]

.308 was brought about by the us military wanting similar performance to .30-06 but out of a short action. Being that you pretty much have to decrease case capacity to accomplish that, .30-06 will always have a slight advantage when using the exact same bullet as long as it's loaded correctly with an optimal powder.

[@north61]

I have been a fan of both for 55 years. Reloaded to their potential the 30-06 is quite a bit more capable but the 308 makes into a lovely light-weight carbine, that is a darn good all-rounder,

[@zayacz123]

The Lee reloading manual is another great reference to compare cartridge velocities. It’s based on factory reloading data. Disclaimer: I’m a reloading data addict. Thanks for another fun video.

[@korndawggy1801]

Both are good rounds but, I like the 30/06 just because that's what I have. Got a good deal on it. Dad killed alot of whitetail with it and passed it down to me. It does the job I need it to just fine. I hunt mostly woods and don't take too many shots past 75 yards.

[@halfcirclehranch]

The advocates of the heavy 220 grain .30-06 just don't understand how to quantify the advantage. A good way to do so is to talk about .303 British when it was used for elephant hunting. The older Mk. I and Mk. II rounds used a 215 grain lead hollowpoint bullet. When elephant hunters were unable to purchase their heavy Nitro Express ammo, they tried using an Enfield with this round, and found it could penetrate the frontal bone of an elephant's head and kill it. Later, when these became unavailable, they tried with the Mk. VII bullet, a 174 grain FMJ, which had higher velocity, and much more energy. This bullet would just bounce off the head of the elephant and make it really angry. The round that was weaker on paper was more effective on particular targets. Energy does not translate directly to effectiveness. The 220 grain bullet is most likely a more effective round when dealing with particularly large and hardy game such as a moose or bear. The greater weight is better at carrying through flesh and bone. And this is most likely what the 220 grain advocates really meant.

[@imeprezime1285]

174 grain FMJ " bounce off the elephant's head and makes it very angry"? Must be really soft and thin jacket of that bullet LOL

[@mattyallen3396]

@@imeprezime1285 sorta was

[@sixtofive]

I was about to type a similar comment myself. Well said, this is definitely a factor worth considering.

[@phild9813]

I think you’re on to something, but I believe you missed the main variable: bullet construction and terminal performance as a result. The slower moving 220s will probably penetrate deeper because they won’t mushroom as much as their speedier relatives. I’ve put down a lot of hogs, wild and domestic with a subsonic 22LR to the front of the skull, no problem, because they are moving too slowly to deform on impact.

[@halfcirclehranch]

@@phild9813 Actually, in the .303 British example, the 215 grain bullet was a lead hollowpoint and more likely to mushroom than the 174 grain pointed FMJ.

[@stcif]

Love them both. Shot several deer with my 308. None with the 30-06 yet. The Remington Core Lokt 180 grain psp and sp in 30-06 are old Adirondack favorites.

[@milesboulton9885]

Great material. Very informative and thank you!. Let me tell ya about one of my first deer in Montana. It took me almost seven hours of hiking just to get back far enough to where this herd was... on the steep back of this bowl, this crazy mulie acted like it had never seen a human being before... no more than 10 yards uphill from me and it stood there staring at me like he wanted me to join him for lunch. I had no idea that my .30-06 had enough power to go through his shoulder so I shot above the shoulder... apparently WAY above the shoulder. It knocked him over and he started sliding downhill. In fact, I had to move so he could slide right over my boot prints in the snow from where I'd shot him. I watched him as he slid further down the hill. At the bottom of his slide he got up and went into the woods and though I searched for a long time, I never saw him again. I learned to trust the power of my .30-06. (I also learned later that the shoulder bone isn't directly above the leg anyway... lots of concerns where I need not have been concerned. Just shoot it.) That was about 40 years ago so. It hurts a bit less now so I can tell the story without sinking into depression. Maybe someone else can learn from my experience.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching. Always a bummer when the don't stay down

[@Dwayne7834]

Thanks for the video. I have always used 150 core lock in my 308 but 200 yards is probably max around here. Most shots will 50- 100 yards. Good video and information.

[@cr42hunting99]

That 150g 30-06 has the highest MV out of every round in the table. It didn’t have the best BC but at .415 it was good enough to be moving the fastest. Nice video my man!!

[@robertcox4097]

Your dog is awesome!! I am a 1st generation hunter that has nobody in my family tree that hunted. I am 100% self taught and your videos have helped. Been a gun guy for many many years and used to sell night vision on the gun show circuit in the late 90s/Early 2000s. Keep up the great work and Merry Christmas to you and your family!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Merry Christmas!

[@robertcox4097]

@@WHOTEEWHO Merry Christmas to you and your family too!

[@brsmith2801]

I have both and love them both.

[@raiderrich2513]

I have a Ruger American in 308 and 2 30-06 rifles, a Marlin XL7 and a Winchester XPR. I love both cartridges. I tend to use the 308 when I go to NY to hunt whitetail and my 30-06s' I use more out west (I live in Nevada) for mule deer and elk. Seems both prefer 150 grain bullets over anything heavier but some of the 165/168 bullets do pretty decent. You can't go wrong with either of these fine cartridges and ammo is usually available for both.

[@sydneynova662]

I prefer the 308 recoil wise and 30 06 for the broader selection of projectile weights .

[@frisk151]

If Clyde Barrow could handle a BAR... Who couldn't? :p

[@gearhead682010]

@@frisk151 most so called men today couldn’t

[@thesixgunfighter288]

@@gearhead682010 Most so called men nowadays, don’t have scarred hands, can’t build anything, drive a nail effectively, work on their truck, handle a gun, or be a gentleman, and do the right thing. But that’s most

[@elvinirons5959]

I’m a south paw n shoot Remington 760 game masters n I own 2 , 30-06 n later on I bought a 308 n shot many Pennsylvania deer with the 06 n several with the 308 n only difference I see is 308 is smoother on my old shoulder but either will do it’s job excellent if put in the right spot n I shoot 90% Remington core lok 180 grain soft points usally under 100 yrds but some further , love them both n now I shoot most with a TC HAwkins 50 cal flint n it does great too !! Placement is the key to success

[@destroyingdadxx2274]

Here in New Hampshire we don’t have to worry about it. Unless you’re on a power line, you rarely get a shot over 50 yards. Interesting video. Thanks.

[@michaellane1661]

Awesome video brother! This is an ongoing debate in a lot of deer hunting camps for the past…….forever! 😂. Great job brother! 🤘🏽🤘🏽

[@billturner1960]

Great work on the comparison. I grew up with a 30-06 never hunted with a .308 but have seen a few elk dropped by a few of the old timers back in the day and you're right, common sense and the skill to put that bullet where it will do the most good. Keep up the great work! 😎👍

[@jasonglaze7874]

Love your hunting stories at the end. I shot a ground squirrel with a 243, I don’t know where it went, never found it.

[@royphelps8084]

Actually I like both in my area, basically don't have long distance shots , ive deer hunted with a pump Remington 3006 carbine for years , ive built a 20 inch 308 , haven't hunted with it yet , best I remember the 300 savage runs close to the 308 Winchester.

[@sydneynova662]

The best one is the one you like ✌

[@oscarballard7911]

Reason some of us were in Love with the 700 Remington .06 on AD.

[@scruffywars40k]

I have the Winchester XPR in .308 and love it. I owned a Remington 700 in 30-06 so it comes down to shot placement every time because I also have taken deer with .223. Between the 2 rounds I pick .308 for ammo availability. It is a variety of a NATO round so brass a plenty.

[@RacinJosh72]

Great video but I’ll just stick with my .270 with the 150gr CL SP for deer. If I had to choose between these two calibers, it would definitely be the 30-06.

[@MikeInOregon]

What a sweet dog! I adopted a 7 month old Irish Jack Terrier. She’s half Irish Terrier and half Jack Russell. So she’s either a Tack or a Jirish.🤣

[@patriot4220]

I love what you are doing here. This is far more complicated than what you show here. Getting into the weeds about barrel length and hand loads changes thing radically. My 150s loaded to max in the Speer manual for 30/06 and 308 place the 308 marginally superior in velocity with equal barrel length. After 165grain bullet weights the case capacity of the 30-06 takes over. It’s amazing how convoluted it can all get.

[@russellkeeling4387]

I used to have a 308 and I got rid of it. I already had a 30-06 and didn't need the 308. Still don't. I prefer a 7mm mauser or a 275 Rigby over the 308 but that's just me.

[@Plastikdoom]

Oh, you’re also discounting hand loads, when I had my 06, and hand loaded, still within safe specs by a lot, I had 220’s I used for bear hunting, that stomped everything on this list for energy out to 200 yds. Sore after that, they had a drastic drop with every 100 yds further, but not what they were meant for. Those had a lot of energy, also were shoulder thumpers, they were coming out the muzzle at 2800 fps…haha. But factory yeah…they load them super weak for some reason.

[@basketofdeplorables4253]

My rule of thumb is if I’m getting a bolt action or break action I prefer the longer cartridges, but prefer the shorter cartridges for semi autos.

[@markchapman2585]

Lot of people think the 308 is better round because the Army uses it and snipers use it. I'll keep my old 30-06. Thanks for the post keep up the great work

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching Mark

[@Iceaxehikes]

Thank you Sir. My limit for Elk with 30 06 is 200 yards and Deer is 300. Based on the energy left in the bullet. Yes, I care about the animal. But I really care about packing the meat out of a deep canyon here in Wyoming where they always have a thousand foot crevasse to run diwn into. You really don't want to just wound an elk here. Your day will suck. Edited: i use Rem Corelokt 165 gr out of a Ruger M77 Mk2 30 06 for both elk and deer.

[@christiandore7518]

Good information!Would have been nice to see each one of those bullets next to each other so to see the design difference. Way back I had always liked the 150 CLPS and 165 Spitzer both cartridges, my hunting buddy always went with the 30-06 180 CLSP.

[@mattrenfroe1985]

I'm a 308 fan because it's lighter and kicks less than the 30-06. Also the same a couple of reasons the military uses them. I have both 308 and 30-06 and love them both but I'd take the 308 over 30-06 if I could only pick one.

[@leadhead7338]

Howdy WHO_TEE, my dad and I have hunted with matching Remingtons for 21 years now, he uses a Remington 7600 30-06 and he bought me a Remington 760 Gamemaster .308 we always shot 180gr Remington CoreLokt and they have absolutely dropped everything, but I have killed way more deer with my .308 he calls it my lucky gun…LOL but in the past few years I started shooting 150gr CoreLokt and man the .308 really likes them and the shoulder to…LOL, I’m not a very big guy and he got me the gun when I was 12 and man those 180’s used to wallop me as a young kid but I loved it, now I use my 7600 35 Whelen and man O man what a beast! And as I’ve always told you I’m a Remington man through and through, I’m also left handed so the best thing he ever did for me was to buy me my Remington 760 pump and I’ve never looked back from there, Youth Day here in VT is in 20 days, so my boy and I are getting pretty excited! Good luck this season Guys!

[@garypollard9770]

It is just like you said inside of 200 yards it really doesn’t matter much. I have used my model 99 .300 savage more than either one of those and inside 200 yards it just doesn’t miss! Now I have a Weatherby .308 that I am going to hunt with just because I prefer the .308!

[@chrisblake1918]

I would trade my 30-30 99 for a 300 savage.

[@timshelley8635]

Awesome info! I think they're both great, but I've only got a Remington 700 in 30-06 and no 308. My brother is taking it on a New Mexico elk hunt, leaving tomorrow. Hope to share a pic of a big Ole elk soon! Lol!

[@jontho8756]

Sounds like some people were never asking questions and just thought any bullet was the same. When I was a kid my friends Dad made ammo and I always asked questions and he was shocked that I was interested in stuff like that.

[@jeffryrichardson9105]

Dude the 220 is a brush buster! O-50 yards!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸

[@codyhartley1537]

I have a chocolate tri-color beagle that we rescued over 4 years ago and she loves deer hunting. She’s very gun shy but loves to track deer! She could care less about birds, rabbit, or anything else around if she’s walking around the yard. But a deer comes out it’s in like donkey Kong jumping on a wooden barrel. 😂 thank you for all your knowledge on guns, ammo, ballistics,trajectory. 👍🏻 watched your channel for years. Keep up the awesome work and god bless my friend

[@bruceesterline3170]

Yes I have and her name was Cinder I got her from a guy living in Illinois a friend of mine went there for a coon hunt and brought back a puppy for his buddy and it was a cross between a beagle and basset hound and her ears were so long she got milk on them while drinking from her dish .I had her 10 years until she got cancer and passed I miss her she was my hunting buddy we had a lot of fun with rabbits.

[@politicallyinsensitive4200]

1) I love my 308. I shoot it more than my 6.5 and I don't find much difference in the recoil between it and 30-06 but that might be because the only 30-06 rifle I own is a 9lb M1 Garand. 2) I've had my 10yr old beagle since she was 8 weeks old.

[@chrismorris308]

My bar 308 w/ barnes 130gr is great on whitetail...this will be my 2nd yr w/ the 308! But I've taken 31 deer with the 06👍

[@charlesmorgan1879]

I was going to get a .270 couple of years ago but no ammo ! .308 was everywhere no 3006 so I bought a .308 , no regrets. Most of my shooting

[@carbonspyder235]

Charles that is one good reason for 308 and they are nice to shoot plus get the job Dunn 🎯 Good call

[@rsbrehm]

Factoring barrel length there will be a difference too. 30-06 benefits from a longer barrel than a .308 would due to the longer times for the powder to fully burn.

[@paullesho9294]

My current go-to is . 308 , also tooka very nice fallow , currently looking at a 30-06 for the bigger stuff like elk and stag

[@thefeatheredfrontiersman8135]

I was having a hard time deciding between the 450 BM and my 30-06 for attempting my first deer this year. I grew up on the hinge action single shot and I've made much better shot placement with my Henry 450 BM. I'm going to be using the Hornady black 250 gn ftx. Im pretty sure I'll be within 200 yards up in the forest.

[@rustbucket9318]

The bushmaster is going to have a ton of drop at 200 yards. Well over a foot. 06’ is flatter shooting and carries plenty power for that shot. Either will work but I’d get some range time in with the 450 before trying to hit an animal. Also, best of luck with your first deer, I hope you get one. Be safe and have fun.

[@russellkeeling4387]

Use the rifle you feel the best with. The 450 bushmaster will do the job well and if your shots aren't long just take it and put the bullet where you aim.

[@kcv5716]

Love both of them. It's really just a bullet to barrel ratio. Just find one yours likes to eat. Great video.

[@ryanwilson5936]

My brother had a Basset-Beagle named Rosko. He had the HUGEST ears and paws I’ve ever seen! And super short legs. He was pretty cool.

[@440jim4]

Thanks for "pointing" out the difference between the Remington SP and PSP bullets. Ballistic coefficient and bullet drop. I reload the Hornady 180gr PSP (they call it BTSP) since it has a BC of 0.452 vs the Remington Core-Lokt 170gr PSP of 0.383. If @WHO_TEE_WHO could post a picture of the bullets he compared at the end of his video, that would be a good addition.

[@timmcanally9599]

Nice dog..30-06 all the way, out west mule deer and elk drop dead great all around.308 and 7mm rem mag still go with the time tested 06.110 grn to 180 cant really beat if you gun likes .700 bdl or vanguards keep the 06 kick aint that bad.mule deer elk bear and javalina out west have taken all with no problem.long live the long (standard) actions.keep up the good work..

[@donnysanner342]

Great video brother. The 220 30-06 isn't a long range bullet , however loaded with the right bullet that bad boy will penetrate.... However on the east coast I think both of these cartridges will serve you well. Thanks and keep the videos coming.

[@matthews.metal.fab1]

The .308 came closer than I thought for the size of the brass.

[@TGarmon84]

Anytime you get a pass-through it's wasted energy not absorbed by the animal, so it really doesn't matter at that point. At longer distances and/or larger animals where the bullet dumps all of its energy and never exits is where the difference would even matter, but it's still pretty close considering. I've hunted with both, and really don't see a noticeable difference, but it's really personal preference. Happy hunting!!!

[@jimmieburleigh9549]

Back in the day when you could get the sp and psp of all the grain size easily I loved the 220 sp because it made the best brush round in my opinion.. Looks like you picked up Remington ammo as a sponsor..

[@ME_white5419]

I enjoy the .308 due to efficiency, less powder per reload, with reloads I’m getting factory 30-06 velocity and moderate pressures, I enjoy the 30-06 as well, but I get more reloads, about 20 percent more per pound of powder. And when you know the bullet drop at distances you hunt at it’s a no brainer. I like both but with todays powder prices I enjoy shooting the .308 more.

[@jerryhayden8720]

Half Basset Hound, half Beagle, I'd like to have one of them. Nice buddy dog. Man's best friend. One thing about it though, those dozen turkey's that were in the back yard today about 10 feet from the carport and the many deer that constantly graze often close to the house and also bed down at night close by would Not be hanging around. That beautiful music to my ears ball that a beagle emits would make the critter's too nervous to hangout. The Basset part if dominant I reckon could cause the pup to have a deep woof but I would hope it was a big ole ball. I love hearing that. Oh yeah we're supposed to be talking about boom booms & pew pews but hey, you started it😆. I really enjoy gun's but I absolutely love dog's.😍💓

[@gunman-6646]

That red stag was awesome!

[@p.f.droney8973]

Who Tee you should do some videos of cooking the game you caught. It would be very interesting and also expand your channel alot as the food/cooking following on here is huge. Most of the giant channels are food related.

[@frisk151]

Laughing about your "deerS" aside, I am a LONG time shooter / owner of a Belgium Browning 30-06 by way of my father, who bought it just after he got back from Vietnam in 67'. I DID however get your original question wrong... NOT because the 30-06 isn't my favorite.. But, because so many people over the years said the .308 was so much better. I've shot almost all the popular calibers, but rarely a .308, and even more rare, anything out past 400 yards. I'm biased for sure. I do appreciate all this information. [apologize for the editing - watching a game and was bouncing back and forth ]. Really like the info you've laid out! Thanks!

[@michaelrobertson9978]

Hi. Last year I took a mule deer buck in Wyoming on our alfalfa pivot from pretty close to 250 yards with a 270 mag.

[@TheJohndeere212]

I have two .308's in semi automatic and bolt action. I had preferred .308 for recoil.

[@cutlassman1]

30-06 is much better for longer range with less drop but for follow up shots the 308 would be better by a little.

[@Narsuitus]

Thanks for the video. I own and use a 30-06. I have never owned or used a 308.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching!

[@rubenrodriguez1165]

Who doesn't love a good puppy dog?.... I sure do. Thanks for sharing your video.

[@toddjohnson271]

From everything I read they are comparable except at distance, and loading options where 30-06 exceeds 308.

[@Hookset2490]

The fact that 30.06 shoots flatter than .308 fascinates me when you consider most police sniper rifles are /were chambered in .308. While military snippers like Carlos Hathcock used a Winchester model 70 chambered in 30.06. With kill shots out to 1,500 yards.

[@Hookset2490]

@@jasonrottlaender1721 Nope, the 50 bmg shot was taken at a distance of 2,500 yards from a hill called Duc Pho. He had set up a target to sight in on and the dude stepped out right along side the target. That was a head shot. Carlos sighted the 30.06 in at a 500 yard zero.

[@fatjeezussouthtexasoutdoor5244]

The 308 CLT 180grn came in 2nd at the longest distance.....not bad at all. Looks like I found my AR-10 hunting round 👍

[@furmanmackey5479]

I know that I'm going to get a bit of kick back on this opinion but here goes: I'm old enough to have hunted with men who served in the U.S. military in WWI, WWII, and the Korean War. Most of them, not all but most, owned and hunted with bolt action rifles chambered in .30-06 because they had come to trust the round during combat operations. Returning Vietnam War Veterans, many of whom served from 1964 through around 1969 or so, purchased and hunted with bolt and semi auto rifles in .308 because they had come to trust the round during combat operations. Then, around late 1969 through the end of the Vietnam War, returning Veterans started using bolt action, and some semi auto rifles, chambered in calibers that started with a "2". Now before anyone gets their knickers in a square knot, please understand I was hunting with men I was related to and grew up farming with and they were willing to tell an inquisitive youngun WHY they liked their particular rifle and cartridge combination while avoiding going into the gory details if you will. I never thought to question why they made the choices they did because they never failed to fill their freezers with the rifles and ammo they had settled on. By the way, Remington ammo was the brand of choice for many, if not most, of those men and bullets in the 150 to 170grn range were the bullet weights of choice. Here in late 2022 all of the older Veterans are gone as are many of the Vietnam War era men, but I have noticed a bit of a turnaround, not a huge one but I've noticed it all the same, with the return of the .30-06 and .308 cartridges and rifles chambered in them to the deer and hog hunting fields. Calibers starting with a "2" are by far the most popular around here but it seems that some younger Veterans of the wars in the Middle East find that maybe the rifles and cartridges that their Grandad, Dad, or an Uncle or two hunted with work better, for them at least, than the smaller, faster, lighter calibers do on deer and hogs. As for me, well, I'm a lever gun kind of guy whose service came toward the end of the Cold War, and my go to "longish range" rifle comes in the form of a scoped Savage 99E in .308 Winchester launching 170 grain Remington CLT JSPs. Excellent video as usual! Keep on keepin' on!!!!

[@lylethurn4337]

Gravity exerts the same down force on bullets. You do find that the time to target determines the difference in fall distance. Relevant factors are initial muzzle speed and BC design affecting loss in velocity, both determine the time to target. More time in flight will increase the drop. Note that drop velocity increases as time increases, but force of gravity remains constant.

[@jaydunbar7538]

308 is short action making for a lighter overall platform with a minimal performance difference, that’s why it is the superior military cartridge out of the two. In the deer woods will you notice the extra weight probably not, but when your carrying 210 rounds and everything is a few ounces heavier, ounces make pounds and after a day of foot patrols you will definitely know the difference.

[@ExcavationNation]

Ah yes our poll we did!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Yup

[@crazydiggity]

All very good data and accurate but...each bullet was designed for a different bullet weight. The standard 30-06 will use a 174 grain bullet and the .308 was designed to match the performance of this bullet and weight....using a 147 grain bullet which it does very well. Either one is a great round for any normal range deer hunting. My new favorite round i have been using lately is .45 Raptor. Check out the ballistics on this round and i think this may be your new favorite round.

[@scottbailey8158]

I always figured the 30-06 had more powder , Du more power and velocity and longer ranges. The chart proves it. The 220 du again much heavier bullet same amount of powder is going to be slower.

[@fad10507]

I've used both 30-06 and 308 taking deer and hogs. In both I used the 165 gr. PSP I really didn't see a difference in them at 100yds. Like you said shot placement and knowing your rifle and bullet drop. Now my 308 shoots sub MOA at 200yds. The 308 I've shot many rounds through it and I've done testing out to 600yds. In the 30-06 I've changed to the 125gr for this year, haven't done that much testing but I'm going to see if at 400yds, which is my longest shot, how well it preforms.

[@alexmunn5321]

I too like the 165 gr. They shoot great and have enough oomph behind them to take anything I hunt out to tre raged I hunt with a good clean shot

[@alexmunn5321]

Love the data and appreciate the work you put into this. For me I would not hesitate to pick either one. They are both droppers of the game big and smaller. I love me a short action round but makes no difference to me. I will not take a shot passed 300. So the variables between the 2 make no difference.

[@Bob-lq9ys]

Good video , I use 150 and 180 in my 30-06

[@TheTonygong]

You were poking some bears with this info 🤣 Super interesting, I didn't do your poll but I would have guessed wrong 👍

[@Tim-Kaa]

Hola amigo. Anyway, people are confused because 30-06 changed a bit since when it was originally taken into service -1906. When in 1940s 308 was invented, it mimicked 30-06 a lot but it had a different type of powder and used shorter cartridge and it was slightly more powerful because of the powder. This continued till year 2000 when 30-06 manufacturers said screw it and started loading 30-06 slightly hotter than 308 because it had more space inside of the cartridge to accommodate more powder. That's why people are confused but a good day at the range with a chronograph can clear things up. Cheers!

[@stevendedeian7774]

7.62nato invented in "1950"..then 2 years later the ."308," and the first commercial rifle chambered for this was in "1954"..not the 40's......read it in history of the .308 thank you

[@stevendedeian7774]

the reason the '06 was not loaded HOT, is that the rifle designed for it, could not handle a hot gas pressure of over 62,000cpus.on the M1 Garand, it would break the operating system by damaging the bolt slide group..also the gas values weren't designed for this pressure. do your research before stating half facts, sir....current hot loads for the modern '06 exceed 62000 cups....and the 308 win steps right to that edge but perhaps the loading manuals from Hornady are a better assessment of is ballistic capabilities... 168gr spirepoint boat tail has a BC of .550...while a 190grn boattail edges it .610. the .308 will still perform well with a 190 gr although not recommended above 2500fps modern hi power loads for the '06 at 190grboatail exceeds this by 100 to 200 fps more..ie: 2600 to 2700 fps..with caution as the key word here....

[@BuckMasterNorm]

The 220 grain Sierra MatchKing drops below 2200 fps at about the same range, but owing to its high ballistic coefficient, it remains supersonic beyond 1000 yards.

[@clintonlayne9253]

Adam I will be hunting with my Howa 1500 in 3006 . I scored 2 boxes of Remington core lok 165 gr psp for 19.99 a box . I wish I would have bought the remaining boxes on the shelves. As far as my favorite of the two. I'm leaning towards the 3006. But the 308 is a great round too.

[@jesusyeshuaelelyonelshadai6295]

Congrats in your success brother God bless u and family.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

🙏🙏🙏

[@garrettforchrist2700]

Pretty sweet video! I'd like to see you smoke a clay block with that 180 grain 30-06!🇺🇲✝️🇺🇲

[@robdegraw1568]

The 30-06 case is just a little bit bigger than the 308 when you do it metric 308 is 7.62 by 51 and 30-06 is 7.62 by 63 not sure if you gain that much more in power in the little bit of case length.

[@JoeyOutlaw]

There is def a difference in felt recoil imo.

[@robdegraw1568]

@@JoeyOutlaw I had a M1 garand in30-06 and a lever action in 308 to me and only me it was not that much.

[@jeffreylocke8808]

The 30/06 with 180 grain and heavier bullets far outstrips the 308 Winchester.

[@robertchapman4488]

@@jeffreylocke8808 who shoots 180 grain at a deer anyways 150 and 165 grains all you need.

[@captaincripple7218]

In factory ammo the 308 is nipping at the heals of factory 30/06 because there’s a lot of older firearms chambered in ‘06 so manufacturers keep it restrained a little. If you reload you can really wake that old 30/06 up to where it’s now nipping on the heals of factory 300wm and the 300wsm.

[@shaunsteward4353]

30-06 holds more powder and has a longer case and can hold larger bullets that's where the advantage comes in with the 30-06. But even though 308 has many similarities to the 30-06 the longer case and more powder capacity is where the 30-06 gains advantage over the 308 but with longer barrel length on the 308 you can burn more powder and push the bullet further with less recoil than 30-06 so I guess that's where the 308 gains its advantage. But both are extremely well hunting rounds. No matter how big of a caliber you have shot placement is always key to putting down your target so that's why it's best no to underestimate any caliber no matter how big or small.

[@Voyagerss77]

Great Video, Thanks a lot for your hard work, much appreciate it!! Lovely 🐕!

[@thefeatheredfrontiersman8135]

Oh and did you ever read the book called " Shiloh" ? It's about a boy during the depression that is trying to take a beagle home. Has to buy him from a really nasty, abusive deer poacher that didn't want him. The boy had to work for some 6 months picking up glass bottles and working in a store for 5 cents a day. It's actually quite a sad story but we had to read it in fifth grade.

[@willnotcomply1328]

I own both and love both, the only edge I can see is in the short action of the 308 and it cuts a little weight and some feel because it’s a shorter throw on the bolt that they’re a little faster with follow ups. I can’t wait to get my hands on a Impulse by Savage with that straight pull. I just wish they’d offer it in the 6.5 PRC. On another note, and a good one, I plan on having a 300 Win Mag custom built by a well established Gunsmith, he’s taking my 15+ lb “tactical” and turning it into a 7lb rifle. That’s going to be nice lugging it up and down those North Georgia hills looking for Bear. God bless brother and thanks for the videos.

[@russellkeeling4387]

Have fun shooting a 7 lb. 300 win mag.

[@willnotcomply1328]

@@russellkeeling4387 just pray I don’t miss and have to follow up with another shot, they may have to airlift me off the mountain..😂

[@chrismills4213]

Cool…let’s not forget newton’s laws…heavy/ more mass is harder to get in motion, but also harder to stop this motion…this should give you greater penetration with the 220 gr. Just a thought.

[@unbalancedredneck5778]

The 220 gr is really a specialty bullet where penetration is a concern. When I choose a heavy bullet like that I’m more concerned with sectional density and do not care about BC. When it comes to deer hunting my personal ethical limit is 300 yds and I’d bet 300 and in is most of the hunters limit on a deer anyway. Inside 300 the difference is negligible if you toss out the 220. 30-06 is definitely more energy and less drop but the real question is inside ethical hunting ranges does that little bit more even matter? The 308 is ample on any deer so the extra is really unnecessary. You also figure the extra power you don’t need comes at the cost of additional recoil. With all that being said I use the 30-06 usually loaded to 308 velocities because that’s what I have. Cool video