308 vs 6.5: Which Caliber Should You Get?

[@benelliott1938]

Inside of 300yds the 308 is the king. If I'm getting charged the 308 is the king. If I'm in the middle of nowhere and need ammo everyone has what the king needs. All hail the king.

[@tommypittman7455]

💯 percent

[@davidgabbard1351]

Couldn't have said it better myself Sir. It's ironic he mentions providing overwatch along MSR Irish in 06 armed with "The King". I could've been a few klicks away doing the same thing at the same time with the same platform- the SR25. Most rifleman understand there are a plethora of perfectly capable rifle cartridges available. For all the reasons you mentioned, plus extreme versatility. I hand load 110's and 125's for varmints and recoil sensitive family members that have proven devastating on yotes and whitetail, with 243ish recoil- the .308 win/ 762NATO will keep his thrown for generations to come.

[@thomaspalmer7900]

Yeah but when there is a serious ammo shortage again the .243 the .308 the .270 & 7mm will be the first to leave the shelf just like the 9mm in pistol ammunition!!!!! Guess what? I’m sure there will still be some 6.5 Creedmoor ammo on the shelf.

[@sciewter]

If you’re waiting for the shortage to stock up you’ve already lost.

[@rudolphferdinand3634]

I have both cartridges in an equal amount of rifles, but I took the Army BCT with the M-14 in J/F 1969. The plus side goes to the 7.62x51mm cartridge. I am an old-school Army - Vietnam veteran.

[@hugtango]

7mm-08 rem 308 case efficiency magic of the .284 caliber

[@tstandri]

Can’t find it and when you do it’s super expensive.

[@hewlett260]

​@@tstandrireload and cost brings it in line with the 6.5 and you get the benefit of tailoring the load to your platform with better accuracy and better bullet selection

[@hugtango]

@tstandri 7mm-08 is still a reloader cartridge, Not enough marketing yet, introduced 40 years ago. 2830fps with 160 grains sierra "green tip" 30" barrel compete with some 7SAUM loads in a 26". And with the new double base powders such as the staball the potential is great. I own a 7mm08 M24 fantastic rifle. Soon to be rebarreled with a lothar walther 32" trued action full length bedding a 1 mile+ animal

[@REDNECKROOTS]

​@@hugtangogetting over 2850fps with my 308, w 165 nosler partitions. For hunting I still prefer a 30cal

[@conwaytoe2toejiu-jitsu]

I'm an old soldier. The 762x51 at approximately 168 grains there's plenty flat for anything we might want out to 800 m. I'm not against 6.5 mm in any way but I definitely have a preference for 762x51. Keep in mind that if we have the zombie apocalypse a NATO round is going to be universal and available. The police will have it, the military will have it, even foreign powers would have it. The 6.5 is a hunting round and might not be as available. While close in price 308 and 762x51 have typically been a few dollars cheaper per box. When it comes to absolute precision you would know better than most how important that is. You are the expert not me. Ultimately, very few people are shooting something past 150 to 200 yards. At that range bullet drop visit much of a concern. For competition you definitely want the 6.5. everything counts in competition

[@keplergso8369]

6.5CM for competition, I agree, but 308 is still cheaper, you can shoot until 800 or 1000 yards/meters with a 308, let's say for the pleasure, with a good efficiency, if you are not a hunter. And THE BARREL lasts twice the time. But for competition, I'd choose 6.5PRC, until 1200 yards/meters or even more. Anyway, you need a good budget for long range or competition.

[@GatlinMcDoubleStack]

Agreed. I use 168 gr. Sierra matchking & 168 gr. Barnes TTSX in a Bergara wilderness ridge .308 with a bedded action and it don’t miss.

[@stephencarmichael5156]

I live in the middle of both with the 7mm-08

[@milo555100]

Wonderful cartridge! Seems just right doesn’t it?

[@hugtango]

@@milo555100 m24 clone in 7mm08 30" heavy contour barrel "machine"

[@Dabocado]

Coward

[@jeremiahcoles2378]

For whatever reason I love listening to this debate. Both cartridges have great merrit. Used within their individual limitations they are great.

[@TheBoneJunkie]

I’m running the 6.5 creed and it’s a tack driver. 3 shot group at a 100 is covered by a dime. With the Leupold and turret I can ring steel at 1200. Smoked everything I’ve used it on.

[@boygirlandadad5814]

Do you feel duped? The 6.5 is the 260 Rem with a different barrel twist rate. I'll stick with my 7.62x51. You and Spomer can run off in the sunset holding hands with your 6.5's.😅

[@chrishenry5945]

@@boygirlandadad5814the CM has a shorter case and can shoot the larger high ballistic bullets without having to push them into the case. Otherwise they are virtually the same.

[@boygirlandadad5814]

@@chrishenry5945 how does a shorter case allow you to use a longer bullet? Isn't that a chamber throat thing? 🤔 Any competent Gunsmith could remove a little rifling out of a .260 Rem and you could create the .260 Creedmoor! 🤣 Like I said, I'll just stick with my ol' .308. It too shoots dime sized groups out of a AR platform.

[@chrishenry5945]

@@boygirlandadad5814 the 260 case is too long to run long bullets in a short action. You can di it but you have to push them way into the case. It takes up case capacity and is not ideal.

[@boygirlandadad5814]

@@chrishenry5945 I load for the 308 Winchester and have even dabbled with some very heavy loads up to 220 gr fodder. With IMR 4350 you can get 47 grains of powder and get great accuracy. 200 grain bullets have broken records with about 48 grains. The general rule is you should set depth no farther than the caliber is wide after the throat. I don't know if a 260 would be able to use longer bullets with a better BC because I don't own one. At the same time I think the heaviest bullet that can be used in a 260 rem is a 160 gr. What is the largest bullet that a 6.5 uses, 156?

[@JasonVaughn-c7k]

Whichever one makes you feel more confident in your shot placement. That should be your choice

[@astang1072]

Just checked, basic range ammo 308 and 6.5 cost exactly the same.

[@drewjonespdx]

and almost the same number of options

[@jaripukki267]

but there are difference in full copper hollowpoints, which are needed in many countries

[@kensen1070]

I ve heard that 308 feeding on semi auto rifles is better than 6.5 and that barrels last longer. Is that true?

[@Bubbybub0077]

308 Barrels last a very long time in a civilian use case. 5000 rounds is where they will normally get switched out if looking for maximum accuracy in a bolt gun. On a AR-10 the barrel is really no issue as other parts of the system will decrease in accuracy generally more quickly. The same can pretty much be said for 6.5 creedmoor, but maybe 3500-4000 round on a bolt gun. I really wouldnt worry about it. 308 has its strengths, 6.5 has its strengths. Most people dont put 1000 rounds through a bolt gun, let alone 3000+. I think the 6.5 is a bit easier to get along with now than the 308 and might have an edge in general versatility. Varmint bullets down to 80gr, super heavy 156 long range hunters, and 130 grain copper give it really good do all potential. Of course the 308 is really not far off, but you will be losing velocity faster.

[@dustinwebb8235]

Get double almost triple the life out of the 308s from what all I’ve seen. I like the 6.5 but I’ve watched entirely too many clean shots that resulted in a 177pellet sized hole on each side in Shots under 300 yard. Never seen a 308 fail to dump its energy into whatever it smacks. 6.5 is a great round with a lot of potential as it becomes tinkered with in the future. 308 is always going to be my first choice just due to reliability, availability, guns life matters. Nothing sucks more than paying more for a new barrel than the gun cost new. I think the 6.5 is just pushing its velocity too much causing over penetration. Needs more of a happy medium with ammo options without having to hand load. 308 has a little more bullet drop at long distance and more kick. Everyone’s different so either chose both or spend a week at the range with each gun trying out variations until you find what you like. The 308 isn’t a broken round so you can’t really fix it beside choosing grains for what you need. 6.5 just needs some tlc and it’ll be a more popular round one day

[@ChanoLeyva-hq2ci]

175 grain sierra matching bullets have a bc of .505 just a shade under the 6.5s 140 grain bullet at .520. A 178 grain eld match bullet has a bc of .547 and hits much harder then the 140 and is good out 1000 yards plus

[@bjh05]

165 gamechanger have a G1 of. 530

[@milo555100]

.308 w 175g smk has more frontal diameter. I think that is significant. But, the 6.5 with 143gr eldx has more velocity, energy with less wind drift and recoil which becomes meaningful beyond 300yds. Equal length barrels. And all of this is attributed to a higher BC. If I have both I pick the one that shoots the tighter groups. Both GREAT! Fun to debate. Thank you for the video!!!

[@BrooksHarvey-t6f]

3:50 why are you using 175 grain for the 308. Either the 150 or 165 grain will have a better comparison to the 140 gr of the 6.5 creedmore.

[@brazzy1467]

I trained and used the 7.62x51 for my last 13 years in the ARMY. Trust it know it, have no reason to switch to the 6.5 and I refuse to grow a man bun.

[@krisreyes2434]

Men with man buns don’t shoot anything at all, regardless of caliber

[@dieselmutt8865]

Glad you clarified that you don't drink Bud Light.

[@worleybird777]

You're stupid 😂

[@Meh-hr7gq]

Nobody is saying big you have to switch. I recommend you never shoot a 6.5 in that case. You will love it too much.

[@WiscoActual920]

6.5 has been around since before ww1 creedmore is just another iteration of it

[@GHGHussle]

Nice vid🔥

[@coreyanfinson4472]

Great video Tim. I was so excited to find a video review from you. I just bought a beautiful AR10 6.5 creed and I’m trying to learn everything I can about. Love your rifle set-up’s and loved your work on Hunting Hitler.. thank you for your service to our country and for this video!

[@charlesmullins3238]

I handload .308 for 24” fn spr from 110gr varmageddons to 168ttsx….175s and 180s for 1/11 twist dd5v3. The 110s run 3500fps from fn and 3300 from the auto which translates to incredible expansion and explosive power on targets such as jugs and accuracy is ragged holes and 5hr energy bottles@250yrds. 6.5prc waypoint for hiking/hunting with even more speed and power.

[@odin7192]

Can't we consider the barrel lifetime when it comes to the cost, not only the ammo price ? ...cause most .308 barrel can shoot about +6000 rounds while 6.5 barrels will need to be replaced after 3000rds... right ?

[@charltonlwalker]

100% why I spend most of my range time with 308. The 308 equals guilt free shooting.

[@StumpkillerCP]

I hunt whitetail with a 6.5mm based on the .308 case (.260 REM). Handloaded it has a bit of velocity edge over the shorter 6.5 CM case. Does a fine job on whitetail. Swift makes outstanding factory loaded 260 REM ammo, but otherwise it has become handloads or forget it. Pity.

[@DontShootTheRangeOfficer]

Lets all take a moment to appreciate 2 things 1) 1st amendment to speak on 2) 2nd amendment to protect the right to speak on it

[@bassmonster420]

America!!!! 🇺🇸

[@penkop4282]

I own both and love both. Great content thanks.

[@MIOIMIOI]

i have been told that you will get about 10,000 rounds down a good quality 308 barrel and about 2500 rounds out of the 6.5 Thoughts?

[@SheepdogResponse]

I would say that's largely true. With 6.5, it has a higher velocity and pressure which can lead to faster degradation of the barrel. But you can still extend the life of your barrel beyond 3,000 rounds by maintaining proper cleaning and choosing quality barrels.

[@MIOIMIOI]

@@SheepdogResponse Thank you.

[@mikenixon5936]

​@@SheepdogResponseabsolutely, I have a 308 that has some where around 15000 rounds down range and still holds less than 1min groups. Cleaning and removing copper and lead from your barrel is crucial to the longevity of your barrel.

[@hvuu1628]

isn't most barrel wear worries is the throat?

[@SA-hh9mv]

@@hvuu1628 yep. Small diameter barrel with 6.5 the throat burns out quicker.

[@Yasmuraz]

308 is abundant and cheaper better for battle rifle. 6.5 for designated marksmen

[@codyhill2507]

6.5 = Precision long range cartridge .308 = Fighting and hunting cartridge Shot placement is everything but it depends on what your purpose for the round is.

[@dannyboahhh9944]

100% agree 6.5 is too expensive and scarce to be used for fighting, hunting, or fun at the range. Really should only be considered for a Precision / Competition rifle

[@drewjonespdx]

@@dannyboahhh9944 the hard part is the 6.5 ammo these days is the same price as 308.

[@keplergso8369]

@@drewjonespdx Not in my country.

[@tylerward8333]

​@@dannyboahhh9944too expensive? I just checked, the online prices are within pennies. Scarce? There is ample 6.5 online, and I just picked up some Federal 6.5 hunting rounds at Walmart yesterday. Guess what wasn't on the shelf.... .270, .243, 30-06, nor .308. Do you just type without thinking?

[@dannyboahhh9944]

@@tylerward8333 wooooah, chill tf out dude. You're critically online if you're that mad about a comment on KZbin, touch some grass. Speaking out of my ass? You must be an in🍞 because your citing anecdotal experience. My claims was made based off of statistical data. The highest cost 6.5 has seen, is like $3 / round. .308 is half that at its highest. 6.5 was made in 2007 vs .308 was made in 1952. Here's my Walmart anecdote: I've never seen 6.5 at Walmart

[@fenderbenderxaddo5974]

Oh, and I hunt with my 6.5 . Like you said shot placement is everything.

[@MichaelHayes-uj9od]

After several ammo shortages I have the 308 it's the NATO standard not hard to find

[@ryanjg5136]

Smart man

[@disparity12]

What dilemma? Both are good. Both I’ve hunted with. I own rifles cambered in both calibers. Own one of each, problem solved.

[@Fixitinpost_VFX]

All true and as stated in the video both are very comparable. But for new hunters it can sometimes be difficult to pick their first rifle.

[@mikenixon5936]

I believe the two are very comparable, but I also believe bullet placement is one of the most important components to hunting. A new hunter, not having the skills to be accurate and control near perfect bullet placement, the 308 will be more forgiving with less than perfect accuracy.​@@Fixitinpost_VFX

[@drewjonespdx]

@@mikenixon5936 good point

[@harrypeterson9287]

The 6.5s claimed ballistics are way optimistic. From a 22" barrel you're not exceeding 2,600fps with the 140s, more like 2,550 with factory ammo. I've chronographed both calibers myself. .308 tends to actually come closer to claimed velocity and sometimes matches or exceeds it, never with the 6.5. Personally, I'll take a 168gr .308 at 2,675fps over a 140gr 6.5 at 2,550fps, the BCs are close enough that it would take a lot of ground before the 6.5 actually has a flatter trajectory and less wind drift. By the time the 6.5 can meaningfully outperform the .308 it's already dropping like a rock and you may as well step up to a better caliber.

[@midwestbd7144]

6.5creed needs a longer barrel than .308, I believe the standard length is 24”

[@harrypeterson9287]

@@midwestbd7144 True, and most people have 22" or 20" barrels. Regardless, the more you go overbore, the less energy you can get out of a given case. Compare .243 to .338 Federal. Nearly double the energy.

[@midwestbd7144]

@@harrypeterson9287 true, that’s why people need to educate themselves on cartridges, barrel length and their specific application. A 6.5 creed could be better or worse depending on your specific need

[@wiljackson2170]

shot placement don't matter if your bullets dissintegrate. use copper and guaranteed results.

[@darrellwoods5961]

As for Cost of 308 v 6.5? 6.5 is much more expensive here in South Central Texas

[@paolosasso2189]

I'm finishing my first AR10 build. I chose 65CM for my barrel. Every part otherwise is the same as the 308 variant. I'm using 16 inch barrel which should perform equally well or better than 18 inch barrel in 308 with the bonus of easier/faster target acquisition after first shot.

[@bigjimmy6690]

You will be sadly dissapointed with 6.5 Creedmoor velocities from a 16 inch barrel. The Creedmoor needs barrel length to obtain decent velocity, The 308 is vastly superior to the 6.5 when using a barrel less than 20 inches.

[@apersonontheinternet8006]

@@bigjimmy6690 In addition to your valid point, I don't think 6.5CM makes sense in a semi-automatic rifle simply because of its already very short barrel life. Every few cases of ammo you're going to be considering re-barreling as any performance gained by the more expensive 6.5CM will be lost. The good news is that a new barrel in .308 can be had for cheap and can be kept around for the "I just want to make noise" days.

[@fenderbenderxaddo5974]

I appreciate the unbiased assessment. I have both as well. I will have to research it again now but I’m thinking the 6.5 passes the .308 a little closer in than 800 yds. Like around 500

[@craiganderson5602]

308

[@REDNECKROOTS]

308 shines with 150 and 165 grain projectiles. Idk why everyone who compares the 308 to anything always load it down with 175 and 180 grain projectiles??? The 308 was designed around a 150gr projectile. 308 shines with 130/150 grain. 165 should the highest weight from 308.

[@kenhall4717]

As someone who lives north of most of you, I bought my 308 during covid and I could always find ammo, 6.5 factory loads all the shelves were always empty and still are compared to the 308 factory loads.

[@Persev-hd6es]

Not only shot placement but bullet construction. For tough or larger bodied game go with solid copper.

[@mikemellon80]

If you are an adult .308 everytime. If you are recoil sensitive or have an extremely light sub 5lb rifle. 6.5cm is a good option

[@chevyc10er63]

Is the .338 round a dead round? or would this have more punch for the size?

[@SA-hh9mv]

Not dead...Expensive. Overkill for most hunting scenarios imo.

[@pcer9973]

I'm a professional YT marksman, and I can confidently say .308 hands down. If you wanna tickle your target, 6.5!

[@keplergso8369]

6.5PRC.

[@midwestbd7144]

People say stuff like that about the 6.5 but have nothing to say when someone uses a .243 or 30-30 🤣

[@christophercasanova3968]

What about 8.6 blackout seems like it has plenty of penetration hunting wise while the 1:3 twist rate has a crazy spiral effect

[@brianjazek7769]

Love both sold my 6.5 creedmoor target rifle to test out a 308 and I think I need both now

[@TheRodsmite]

What 308 ammo do you recommend for target practice? I hunt with Norma Whitetail soft points.

[@boshoffbotha7830]

Can you get 2850f/s with a 175gr pill on the 308? Sounds fast for 308 with les than 20" barrel

[@ChanoLeyva-hq2ci]

That would Be a hott handload, even if it was a 168 grain bullet. That’s like velocity for m80 ball

[@boshoffbotha7830]

@@ChanoLeyva-hq2ci I would say that the creed Will compare better, if his facts were more accurate

[@orr89rocz]

Might not in a 20”…24” probably. I get that in a 26” with lapua brass and berger 180 elites. I run 168 vld’s to 2930’s in the same 26”. 308 is fantastic for handloading

[@ChanoLeyva-hq2ci]

@@orr89rocz that’s actually pretty good performance. Almost like a light magnum

[@ChanoLeyva-hq2ci]

@@orr89rocz you ever load 190 nosler long range accubonds? I’d bet you could get them in 2600 fps range

[@johndowling6131]

Question is, are we looking at .308?? or 762x51?? Lots of difference here

[@juanbelloso9991]

I just want to say thank you for your service because of you guys we are free world 🌎 wide

[@hawaiiangunner]

What do you already have? Do you reload or do you have to buy store-bought ammo? What ammo do you think you're going to have an easier time finding in the store? How many wars have been fought and animal's brought down with 308? 65 is undoubtedly better. But is it so much better that you're willing to change your guns your reloading supplies and the ammo you now have to find? If you're just starting out no big problem at all. But if you've been doing this for a long time 6.5 is not enough to make me switch. Just like 300 PRC is nowhere near enough to make me switch from my 300 rum

[@Dutch1951x]

U.S. military still uses the 7.62.......go with that one....

[@russchapman2997]

All these different calibers. The big question? What of the three most carried rifle rounds in America (5.56/.223, .308/7.62x51, 7.62x39) are you going to be able to resupply yourself with by finding it “on the ground”? Unless you bump into a SF unit, this is your choice after action

[@chrisholloman3710]

Think he might have gotten the muzzle velocity for the .308 mixed up. Muzzle energy seems about right but 2820 fps would be really hot for a 175 gr bullet. Maybe meant 165/168gr.

[@claytonbruner1808]

Yeah. I'd say 2600 is about average for that bullet weight.

[@orr89rocz]

Handload 2800 is no issue with atleast 24-26” barrel. I run 168’s to 2930 in my 26” with lapua brass. 180 around 2800. Its warm but not hot

[@mikenixon5936]

​@@orr89roczwarm, dude your getting hot.

[@orr89rocz]

@@mikenixon5936 i disagree

[@mikenixon5936]

@@orr89rocz I've been loading since the 60's, your getting hot at those velocities for the 308 caliber

[@virgilpalmer2427]

Just got a 308...😂 I know what's righteous..

[@billalcantar03]

Love the shirt ! Where do I get one ?

[@SheepdogResponse]

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[@JessicaRoss-i6t]

You need to go to Smoldering Lake Outfitters Bridgewater Maine. Great Moose Hunting and the man who runs it real deal

[@keplergso8369]

THE BEST FIREARM IS WHAT REQUIRES YOU AND WHAT SUITS YOU. It depends on YOUR usage, in my opinion. Hunting or targets/gongs ? Long range or mid range ? Big animals or medium for hunting ? Most of the time, 308 is better for many reasons, even if 6.5CM can be used for hunting too. 6.5CM for competition, I agree, but 308 is still cheaper, you can shoot long/mid range (targets or gongs) until 800 or 1000 yards/meters with a 308, let's say for the pleasure, with a good efficiency, if you are not a hunter. And THE BARREL lasts twice the time. But for competition, I'd choose 6.5PRC, until 1200 yards/meters or even more. Anyway, you need a good budget for long range or competition. . Jacques, SORRY FOR MY BAD ENGLISH, greetings from France.

[@kevinhock1336]

What about the cheytac .408 ???

[@krisreyes2434]

This guy is passionate about his ammo, gotta love it

[@mtnhunter5578]

.308 is a carb 350 SBC.....versatile, proven and it will get the job done. 6.5 Creed is a LS1.....lighter weight, more efficent, more refined, and will get the job done with less recoil, less drop, and less windage. If you shoot under 300 yards.....the difference is almost not worth talking about....less recoil with 6.5. If you shoot over 300 yards the difference is much more apparant.

[@ChanoLeyva-hq2ci]

Which the difference is not that much it’s been way over exaggerated, with the right load in 308 I can easily keep up with even the best 6.5 loads, plus it hits harder more momentum

[@mtnhunter5578]

@@ChanoLeyva-hq2ci Thats partially true out to about 300 yards....then the 6.5 starts to walk away from .308 not matter what load you're running. I've shot a lot of .308 168 SMK and 175 SMK and a lot of 6.5 135 A Tip and 140 Berger. There is a big difference in drop and wind at extended range. I've killed more things with the .308 but since I have moved to the 6.5, I have literally seen no diference in killing power on deer, black bear, hogs and coyote...all with less recoil and much more efficiency.

[@PsyKotyK]

Looks like a lot of cool stuff on the wall .

[@dougcoval9227]

I've seen elk have to be shot 2, 3xs before they go down with 308. What can you display that is more in the 30-06 range in the rifles you are displaying here.

[@barbaraknoebel4460]

I have seen way too many failures with the 6.5 taking deer size game, so don't use it. Shot placement is number 1 but it just seems to be lacking in the takedown department.

[@wesstewart3087]

I've had 4 one shot kills on elk with the 6.5. And a one shot kill on a Mule deer. I think it is a good elk rifle and a great Deer/antelope rifle.

[@markswinnerton304]

The thing to me that matters is that while a 6.5 Creed will stretch further, when it actually gets there, it only has the energy to make a hole in a piece of paper. A 175g sierra matchking will still do what a bullet is designed to do before it goes subsonic……..which is not to just make a hole in paper.

[@midwestbd7144]

False. At longer ranges the 6.5 passes the .308 in velocity and still has enough energy to kill a deer

[@SA-hh9mv]

Love 6.5 CM but half the barrel life was an after thought for me.

[@simpleman6542]

Thanks for being honest… most people try and sale the 6.5 … to me the 308 is more available and reliable… hands down…

[@jeffraymer7152]

How about the 7mm08 the best of both

[@barrycarrick1920]

That's a damn fine round

[@travisp3725]

Yea $10 more a box for ammo if you can find it

[@richardtroell6407]

Neither. If you are 100 yards and out to over 300 yards, stick with .270 in the cross sectional density sweet spot of 130 to 145 grain Hornady.

[@WilliamKister]

They both handle the same applications. One just does it flatter with better windage

[@SheepdogResponse]

Very concise and good TLDW. Personally I still prefer the 6.5 just because it's less you have to worry about with windage

[@WilliamKister]

@@RumbleGoose specialty niche. Both of the above shoot flatter. It will be the AR-10 version of the 300 Blackout. .338 Federal garnered some followers as well and is a decent cartridge. 8.6 BLK is almost the same thing but will be taken up for those running subsonic options. Subsonic will always be limited by velocity and the bigger caliber with the heaviest bullet will be the only thing that provides more performance. You will see people play with the .35 and .375 calibers more. Some already play with the .358 Winchester and the .375 Raptor. When you need to stay subsonic, velocity is capped at ~1100fps so increasing mass is the only way to increase energy

[@taylorcleblanc]

@@RumbleGoose not even in the same discussion.

[@Tristarfit79]

In North America it’s rare to need to shoot anything past 1000m anyway. .308 more available in a pinch more than likely.

[@claytonbruner1808]

I'll take the 6.5CM. At 800yds velocity is 200fps in the + for the 6.5 and energy difference is 10lbs but wind drift is significant at that distance. 10 inches more with the 175gr .308. You're completely out of the vitals is you get your hold wrong.

[@ChanoLeyva-hq2ci]

Wait till you see what 308 is really capable of. The 175 grain bullets have similar bcs and when handloaded that bullet is faster then the 140

[@camonly849]

Ain't no 175gr+ .308 is going go 2820fps out of a 20 or 24" barrel lol. It's gonna be hard to push whatever fps you're talking about unless you're running a 30" barrel. After shooting both 6.5 is better overall. If you're not shooting over 400 yards, yes there's not much difference. But I need a gun I can hunt with and do competition with. So I bought the tikka upr in 6.5cm. The only ammo that comes close is hornady super performance. And it's only out to about 400yds, and the ammo cost a lot more. Yet another reason to go .308

[@ChanoLeyva-hq2ci]

@@camonly849 you clearly dont anything about reloading, there’s a channel that pushed a 212 at 2700 out of 308 mind you it was excessive pressure so pushing a 175 180 2800 is doable, he’ll in pushing a 190 at 2600

[@camonly849]

@ChanoLeyva-hq2ci no I do know about reloading. Staying within the recommended max load charges is also a thing. I've seen a 6.5cm running 4 or 5 grains over max load. His fps was insane. There's no way that's safe. My 6.5cm is 2725fps out of my 24" Tikka. I'm sure if I bought a 26" bartelin I could get 2900fps out of it as well. To stay within max load capacity and run a 308 to 2850+ is a lot. Unless, like I said, you're running a 28-30" barrel. That's the only way to safely get the velocity up without overdoing the powder charge.

[@ChanoLeyva-hq2ci]

@@camonly849 I use powders that do it with little to no pressure signs

[@imejandiskate]

"like, giving it darkness. Ushering it into that forever sleep" lol

[@Goldenwithaleash]

I’ve had both but sold my 6.5CM. I don’t shoot much past 500 so it really came one to cost of ammo. 6.5CM is great, just not for me.

[@craigkowalczyk3516]

.308 or 6.5 creed for moose? Not the best choices. Even with the 180 gr loads out of the .308. I’d opt for a 300, 338, or my trusty .35 whelen.

[@ChanoLeyva-hq2ci]

308 is more then capable of taking any north American big game, even dangerous game id argue

[@benijos1]

Does anyone have thoughts on the 6.5 PRC?? Hopefully, Mr. Kennedy and the rest of the Sheepdog team keep posting reviews/comparisons, wonderful work as always!

[@jayellgee]

Fantastic cartridge. A 20” with a can is still easily pushing 24” 6.5 Creedmoor velocities, but with a more compact package. Recoil is comparable to 308, maybe a touch more. Compared to the cartridges mentioned in this video, it does burn barrels much faster and is significantly more expensive to shoot factory ammo.

[@davidsalsedo]

6.5 PRC best in guns with long barrels, mid or long actions. Heavier bullets 144-156 gr. Magnum bolt face. It’s also the parent case to the highly acclaimed 1000 yard FClass Open 7PRCW cartridge. Very efficient. In my opinion if your set on a short barrel 6.5 stick to the CM with 130-140 grn and faster burning powders to enjoy the light, Tight hunting rifle at its best.

[@hugtango]

@@davidsalsedo yes wheeler did something by necking up the 6.5prc to .284

[@phillipletts7487]

​@@davidsalsedoThe parent case of the 7mm PRC is the 375 Ruger. The parent case of the 6.5 PRC is the 300 Ruger Compact Mag.

[@midwestbd7144]

6.5prc is a great cartridge just more expensive and short barrel life. It’s like having a cheat code for shooting long range

[@doghousedon1]

As sweet at the 6.5 CM is, it sits between my 243 and 7mm-08. Either of which will serve my purpose better. And I get the satisfaction of shooting something that Hornady didn't plagiarize. That fact really bothers me.

[@H43339]

I didn't know Southwest Texas had Elk ?

[@SheepdogResponse]

There's a few herds of Elk over in West Texas near the Guadalupe Mountains.

[@fgutie35]

@@SheepdogResponse There's mountains in Southwest Texas??? I have only seen hills, as in the "Hill country" by the Guadalupe River. Unless is a private ranch with wildlife management, I have not seen Elk in the open range anywhere in Texas. Biggest game we have is Nilgai. Is not even native. It was brought here from who knows where.

[@HDBujutsu1775]

Within 500 they are pretty close, the 6.5CM really shines beyond 600 and further.

[@stevenzepeda702]

Brother, you need to get your hands on a .270 WSM, it's the 6.5 parent cart and it's on another level.. the .277 is king

[@seanknapp9394]

I run 308 hunting and battle defense but if I need to go long ill step up to a 338 lapua just my humble pie though lol

[@James_Cy]

338? what are you shooting dinosaurs LOL

[@Ghostpr787]

Man i love my savage 308...i know is a 300 bucks rifle but is pretty good..

[@glockahol]

Which one you got I have the axis 308 and put a Redfield 4×12 on it . The stock is a spider Webb olive drab green. Sweet set up still have to 0jt in

[@Ghostpr787]

​@glockahol same. Got it on a academy for 35o bucks if I remember

[@kaig453]

I love my Savage Axis rifles that I got on clearance at Walmart a few years ago and paired with a rebate. I think I paid $25-30 per rifle out of pocket.

[@Boatfisherz1]

7mm-08 is all that's needed. Benefits of both these cartridges.

[@mitchellmitchell5268]

Target shooting vs. Killing

[@titomish5914]

Yea 6.5 doesn’t kill right?!

[@midwestbd7144]

Last time I checked you can put a hunting bullet in a 6.5 and a match bullet in a .308….no such thing as a target cartridge

[@SleeCee]

223 /556 out to 300. 308 out to 300-600. 338lm 600+

[@bobsundquist2039]

But what it you step it up to the 6.5 PRC

[@midwestbd7144]

I love my 6.5 prc but it’s expensive especially when you factor in the short barrel life

[@tylermiller8597]

Get a Tacops and speak with Mike R. Himself. Best of the best. Bar none. These tools I'm speaking of are bolt rifles, however you only need 1 round. He trains and shoots with the best our country has to offer. I'll leave that up to your imagination on what Alphabets and armed forces he's associated with. He's globally known. He himself trains the LASD and all the counter sniper classes. If you want knowledge about each cartridge, he can tell you down to the last detail what your looking for before you even know what you want. This man built a rifle for the Comadant of the Marine Core, this rifle was so exact and precise it even shocked this legend. The Comadant I'm speaking of studied under Carlos Hathcock. By the way Tim. You are a monster of a man. God bless you and your family sir.

[@Engb3259]

Equal weight bullets, 308 always wins! 6.5 can not get to the velocity of 308. There is always a 308 load that outperforms any 6.5 load. I don't get the 6.5 hype!

[@paolosasso2189]

My dude. You misspelled creedmoor in your titles.

[@SheepdogResponse]

*Facepalm* Gah I cant unsee it now.

[@tammyfuller8827]

BOTH

[@keplergso8369]

Yes, why not !

[@glenwoodcampbell2734]

My round 270 130 grain

[@1fast10r]

6.5prc over 6.5 creedmoor and .308. 6.5-300wby over all of them

[@griddletakes1005]

Are you affiliated with sheepdog warrior in New York? I don’t think so. Also I think there’s a lot more you could’ve done with this review. Compare the energy of the two from 0 to 500 m and on. I think you’ll see the 65 is has more energy after 500 than than the 308 does. That is a good talking point that you did not touch. It’s a great topic. Maybe you want to consider a follow-up video.

[@andreytodorov843]

6.5 all day… nice video 🤙

[@fyremanjef]

.308 as it’s one less rifle I need to buy, fits in a savage rifle and ar10

[@metallampman]

everyone watching this channel should have started reloading a decade ago now look at the costs pick up your brass it can be used many times the brass is 40 percent of the cost of the shot

[@christianzale505]

lol there’s no way you’re pushing that 175gr bullet out of a 308 win at 2,800 and change. Not even out of a 30-06 unless it’s a handload.

[@Patrick-xd8jv]

Both

[@mrtcward]

I’m getting older and prefer the less recoil from the Creed but both are fine rounds.

[@MrJtin69]

338 lapua up close 28 nosler

[@m6jd]

That review kind of sucked. The creedmore delivers more energy down range but for hunters it’s past the ethical range. 6.5 is less effected by wind and shoots flatter making it better for varmint hunting at ethical ranges. The 308 takes a little more skill on small targets. I started shooting the creedmor before it was popular. I read an article about shooting competitions at 1k and everyone liked the 6.5 bullets. Out of the 6.5 Swedes, 6.5 creed,260, and 26 nosler, the creed was favored. Brass was not available. Only two manufacturers were making cartridges. I wasn’t going to let it stop me so my father showed me how to turn 243 brass and 308 brass into creedmor brass with regular loading dies. You need to trim the neck and length then fire form the brass and your good to go. If I had money again I would retire my 6.5 creed for the 6.5 prc and have that as my longer range rifle.

[@TERMINAL-BALLISTICS]

With a 308, I not only get greater velocities, but I can get around 800 ft-lbs more energy transfer than a Creedmoor that is 10 grains [[lighter]] than the 308 cartridge.

[@jeffwebb-eb5hg]

...308 hands down. Or, .300 wsm. 6.5 doesn't have much to offer for knock down 👎

[@travisp3725]

I've got 6 bucks on the wall 4 8pts and 2 10pts all killed with the 6.5 creedmore didn't have to track a single one of them all killed at over 100yds..so it's got plenty of knock down power

[@michaelatkin9649]

Out to 1400 meters? No one is shooting out to 1400 meters. Only in your books someone is shooting that far with a 6.5cm

[@charlesludwig9173]

Fact: the 6.5 has a higher MOA wind constant and that means more shots going closer to point of aim in any wind condition, and this is most important for both competitors and hunters. But since the .308 has a lower MOA wind constant and a lot longer barrel life than 6.5 it’s better for long-range training. If you master wind with the .308 you will easily win at High Master level of Long Range Competition with the 6.5.

[@camonly849]

There's a guy on YT with a Tikka in 6.5cm and he has 6,000 rounds through it and says the accuracy is still holding.