309KM - Shortest hyperspace jump in Elite Dangerous (Martha's Pulsars)

Is this the shortest distance to another system you can jump?
Systems:
PSR J0737-3039A
PSR J0737-3039B
EDSM:
www.edsm.net/en/system/id/229...
Timestamps:
00:00 Navigation shenanigans
01:23 24kLs jump
04:00 309KM jump

[@wickermind6668]

Frontier: "We can't allow you to jump to another star in a "binary" system over 6 million LS away because it's too close to be counted as its own system, so go fly there in Supercruise instead" Also Frontier:

[@gavinmitchell4632]

Maybe for the drive to lock onto a body it requires a specific gravitational pattern? If these two stars are just passing by then it wouldn't be the same as a binary or single-star system. It would also explain why every jump, no matter what distance or drive, always takes the same amount of time (unless you manage to find a braben tunnel). The game not showing both stars and bodies is just how it's limited. Maybe if they ever update it so two suns can cast a cockpit shadow at once they'll also make it so other star systems can load up in sc?

[@AbsalomIndustries]

@@gavinmitchell4632 These two pulsars are taken from real life and are the first recorded example of a double pulsar, that is, they orbit each other (rather than a more binary orbit where one is orbiting the other at a large distance), and they are not merely passing by. Orbital distance IRL is about twice the separation between the Earth and the Moon, except that they generally occupy the same orbital path.

[@moontrooper2587]

@@gavinmitchell4632 The one flaw of the FSD. It requires your ship to be wrenched out of Witchspace from the object with highest mass (a star). Older hyperdrives could pick and choose where they jumped out to.

[@ceriousgaming6392]

@@moontrooper2587 Is it too soon to make a back in my day reference? Because back in the originals, we didn't have this fancy dancy "witchspace." If I wanted a capital ship, I had to fly 2500 Ly's, uphill, in a solar storm, with people shooting at me as we went. Sort of like an interstellar driveby. And it could all go horribly wrong if you didn't slow down in time.

[@moontrooper2587]

@@ceriousgaming6392 Go back to the 2950's, Cryosleeper.

[@spannerwindslayer]

I Imagine if we didn't had loading screens these 2 would be orbiting each other

[@DavidUtau]

That's not how it works.

[@QantusVitae]

@@DavidUtau ​ ​but that's exactly how it works. Star Systems in Elite Dangerous work like instances, meaning that one singular system is it's own lobby. "Loading Screens" in Elite are the hyperspace jump animations, and they're needed in order to queue up the next star system, or "lobby." This is why you can't supercruise to another system, it has to be a jump. SpannerWZ is right in the sense that if we didn't have loading screens, then you'd be able to visit both stars in the same instance and find them orbiting each other (like they do in real life). FDev could just fix this and make both stars in the same instance, but something tells me this was left intentionally, as astronomers in real life initially thought the two pulsars were separate systems until they double checked again.

[@BruderRaziel]

@@DavidUtau Elaborate?

[@Neo-vz8nh]

@@QantusVitae thats correct

[@BierBart12]

Pulsars are terrifying enough as they are, but a binary pulsar system? Very interesting, but holy fuck the natural forces that must be at work

[@robvanriot]

2:40 You: "And now I'm going to dive straight down the mouth of this neutron star." Me: "Sir what the hell are you doing, this is giving me anxiety"

[@Neo-vz8nh]

The shortest hyperspace jump is 0km. If you supercruise to another system, the system wont load, but the distance decreases, so you can go to the exact location and jump. Plus addition due to variable precision limitation, if you get too close, the distance counter just sets to zero. There are some systems (in bubble too) which are less then a ly away, so the SC is "only" a few hours.

[@pablo5425]

honestly, i think thats more than enough time to load the other system in the way they could do it perfectly

[@Neo-vz8nh]

@@pablo5425 yes, it would be cool and definetly possible to load the other system when going in SC. But it is a very niche thing to be honest.

[@Epicawesomeness64]

bro said "egzact"

[@Neo-vz8nh]

@@Epicawesomeness64 no body cares

[@Monody512]

Sadly, hyperspace jump distances are calculated between systems, not based on your actual location. So even if you flew 0.3Ly to a neighboring system and then did a 0km jump, the game would still consider that a 0.3Ly jump as far as travel distance and fuel consumption are concerned.

[@congruentcrib]

In the bubble there are two systems like this. They overlap, the odd part is they’re both inhabited and have completely different maps… just the same star. If I find it’s names I’ll update it here. HIP 24019 and HIP 24020 HIP 24019 Has a Blue-White class A star 7 Planets/ stars orbiting it and a small starport "Von Bellingshausen Mines" - Population 5,749 HIP 24020 has a Blue-White Class A star with 98 planet/ stars orbiting it There are two small starports "Evan's Relay" and "Ito Base". -Population 160,898

[@JukoYT]

And he never updated :(

[@congruentcrib]

@@JukoYT just because of that... im getting out of bed just to find the system!

[@congruentcrib]

​@@JukoYT HIP 24019 and HIP 24020 HIP 24019 Has a Blue-White class A star 7 Planets/ stars orbiting it and a small starport "Von Bellingshausen Mines" - Population 5,749 HIP 24020 has a Blue-White Class A star with 98 planet/ stars orbiting it There are two small starports "Evan's Relay" and "Ito Base". Population 160,898

[@JukoYT]

@@congruentcrib eyyy thx

[@congruentcrib]

@@JukoYT thanks for motivating me to get up last night... ended up taking 2 hydras at the end of the night... was a nice ending.

[@Rayle1993]

I love the way you did the subtitles! Matches the game perfectly. Also really liked the New Video notification at the beginning. Your editing style is cool!

[@AbsalomIndustries]

This is weird, too, because these are real pulsars so you'd think FDev, having used the real data, would have recognized that these two pulsars are famous for being the first double pulsar system, in close orbit. A shame we can't see them interact in game.

[@cottonball605]

Most of the galaxy in ED was created via procedural generation, meaning these two probably are probably just a generation error. On a side note, there are many places that were indeed based on real data, such as Sirius, Betelgeuse, etc, most of them have more of a name, less of a designation, which leads to the fact that these two have the name of PSR, followed by a bunch of numbers & letters, therefore being a general pointer to procedural generation. TLDR; most likely not created intentionally, just an error with the software used to generate uncharted parts of the galaxy.

[@randyreynolds4252]

@@cottonball605 tons of stars, galaxies, supernovas and so on are just given numbers like this in real life as well. Also these are real life pulsars. don't be so smug when you are wrong about something en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSR_J0737−3039

[@randyreynolds4252]

@@cottonball605 I mean really you play a game that requires multiple internet sites to do anything and you couldn't have looked up if these where real life stars, just delete the game and go play COD.

[@AbsalomIndustries]

@@cottonball605 That is a really bad metric to use for the game's procedural generation. A lot of times stats might be made up, but oodles of stars are long strings of seemingly random numbers and letters which is due to the fact that there are billions of stars that we can resolve in telescopes and most of them have no significance outside of science. Marta's Pulsars isn't an Elite:Dangerous nickname, it happens to be the real-world term for this binary pulsar system. Obviously it's an error in the generation of the system but it's an exceptionally strange one because of how it chose the system anchors, and also because of the entire survey of Pulsars, these two had notable significance over the others.

[@cottonball605]

@@randyreynolds4252 Hey man, don't shoot the messenger, I was just tryna give the information I thought was correct ;-; Also, thanks for the correction, I definitely should've looked more into it, and take full responsibility

[@defaultcitizen]

Seems like Frontier has some fairly arbitrary limits on what they view as in-system travel if this sort of jump is possible.

[@cmdrHeliaxx]

I mean, I wouldn't say there's any limit really, the systems are separate instances in which you travel in supercruise, And if there exists another system's marker, even if it was 1km Away from you, you can target it and use your frameshift drive to get there which is basically a loading screen.

[@defaultcitizen]

@@cmdrHeliaxx I was specifically referring to the fact these kinds of jump markers don't exist in the game. People have requested in system jumps from Frontier before. It would make the trip to Hutton Orbital bearable and perhaps over 300,000 light-second trips more enjoyable.

[@cmdrHeliaxx]

@@defaultcitizen welp, wouldn't that make supercruise worthless? Plus it would kill PvP piracy. And hutton orbital Is So legendary exactly because of how long už takes to get there 😃

[@defaultcitizen]

​@@cmdrHeliaxx It probably create blockades at either star. A pirate could wait at the star distant from origin point and begin interdiction the same way as they can now, when target drops out of hyperspace. The pirate would also have the same jump ability. This could save a lot of time but if you wanted more consequences for using an in-system jump, add a fuel cost? Make it use the amount of fuel it takes to fly under supercruise speed + some modifier % to account for the fact it took seconds not an hour. Just some thoughts, likely better to discuss this on the forums. My motivation here would be to simply to save people time.

[@BierBart12]

There are locations in systems that are over 2 million light seconds away from the hyperspace entry point. A famous one that became a meme is Hutton Orbital, 6.000.000ls away. They have the rarest cup in the galaxy. Otherwise, these are extremely annoying, I'm so glad they have a system to see how many ls it's away

[@nanoman172]

these weird glitchy systems always give me anxiety, like I'm seeing a hole in the simulation

[@phoenixx5092]

Interesting, I wonder if Raxxla is a system within a system you have to jump to like that.

[@NathanielChattoo]

This just reinforces my long held belief that ED should have in-system jumps & also that travel times should scale with the distance to the targeted system.

[@DayOldMeat]

Travel time will never scale. The witchspace tunnel is just a loading screen, so it's determined only by your system's speed and your connection. Making it scale would probably just mean artificially increasing loading times for long-distance jumps which would suck for the explorers and space truckers.

[@Alucard-gt1zf]

I'm surprised the star forge didn't merge these two systems together

[@Neo-vz8nh]

Because this is from stellar cataloge, so it is semi-manual.

[@STRIDER_503]

I bet the truth is that, they look like binary in the telescope, but there is a great distance between the two systems, which is _almost_ perfectly lined up with the LoS of the scope but with a slight offset.

[@DavidDavid-zc1tw]

The Interface Intro whaat? How is this not using Fdev or anyone else. It's so cool

[@Rigel_Chiokis]

Hmmmm. Perhaps they exist in parallel universes and are now bending gravity so much that they are crossing into each other's space.

[@fezzeniicrazysequel9893]

the video editing is genius oh my god

[@gerudah_]

Oh hey, I investigated that system way back before odyssey when someone in the D2EA discord server mentioned it

[@ExodiumTM]

Really cool intro btw

[@FakeJeep]

500k away - same system. 309k away - different system. Wot

[@DavineIulinvega]

fun fact: PSR J0737−3039 is the i think only recorded instance of a double pulsar! weird shit and cool that they put it in but its lame as fuck to have 2 different systems

[@spacebarrrrrrrrrr]

Loved the station like intro

[@Jenn-lq9yu]

Witchspace jumping a distance a capped out sublight Imperial Courier can cover in 6 minutes at sublight. xD

[@alexsabau5942]

Aren’t the viper3 and iEagle faster tho?

[@Jenn-lq9yu]

@@alexsabau5942 iEagle is not, iEagle actually has a very slow speed cap compared to the Courier. A Viper3 can hit 915 KpH, though which is a tad faster than the 885 of the iCourier

[@Jenn-lq9yu]

@@alexsabau5942 A completely capped out and maxed out speed iEagle is around 642 kph. Just tested it.

[@alexsabau5942]

@@Jenn-lq9yu I thought both viper3 and iEagle had the highest boost speeds, but I might have remembered wrong. Also speed is measured in meters/second

[@Jenn-lq9yu]

@@alexsabau5942 no, I tested it in game with my iEagle. Stripping down all of its parts to the lowest possible tonnage while maintaining enough power for the maxed out Thrusters yielded a speed of 645 m/s. It capped out at 645 pretty early on as well, which indicates that the cap for the iEagle's just very low. The Viper IS the fastest sublight hsip in the game, though at 915 m/s. My iCourier sits comfortably at a racing speed of 880 m/s.

[@writershard5065]

I just wanna say, that video intro is so goddamn slick and well done, I love it. 10/10

[@bredaphid0243]

once I dreamed that I was playing, but I don't remember what I was doing and why I went to another system, but in super cruise, and I arrived in less than 5 minutes (dreams, the only place where you can reach more than 1000c in less than 30 seconds) and when it arrives, I collide and bounce with an invisible wall, but visible if you get very close, and one of the planets was on the wall, I already do the jump and everything is normal and I concluded that we are in a huge box, even if we travel by super cruise, we do not totally reach another system When I woke up, I was curious what would happen if I go to another system by super cruise

[@wrenmath7369]

In case you haven't discovered it yourself, when you Super towards another system, there will be nothing there

[@micahfoley9572]

Like all things elite, this is both wonderfully pointless and pointlessly wonderful. Proof that time spent enjoying oneself is never wasted.

[@SkullmonkeyKT2]

Multiverse confirmed

[@infn8loopmusic]

Wait is this like the same thing as light speed jumping from one star to another within the same system? That would rock

[@cmdrpatrickbietruch174]

Sadly to actually reach another star system you have to use your FSD to jump, it acts as a loading screen. You can be "1 meter away" from another star system and still have to jump to reach it.

[@FearsomeTiger12]

@@cmdrpatrickbietruch174 that sucks. I always assumed that if I ever got bored enough, I could legit just fly there is SC and take like 3 months

[@AdastraRecordings]

Yes neutron stars, hmmmm. But how did you make orange blue? Asking for a thargoid.

[@wjbqmzl4223]

I wonder if we can just fly from one to another without hyperspace

[@vikingreflections2824]

My entire body stays clenched when I play this game. It's stressful.

[@Tamburello_1994]

THIS! I find myself sitting on the pad because I'm stressed about going out in the black. I also HATE these damn pulsars, white dwarfs !!! HATE HATE HATE. 🤣

[@vikingreflections2824]

@@Tamburello_1994 And it CERTAINLY doesn't help that every Star wants to Jump scare you!

[@Tamburello_1994]

@@vikingreflections2824 I avoid non-scoopables. I'll take the long way to Colonia, I don't care. Started for me first day, I jumped into a White Dwarf system and about jumped out of my chair. I actually get mad when my route brings me to one even though I have them marked as no-go's This is what makes Elite, elite.

[@mikawelll]

Hello , i woner how can you have the scratch , dirt on the canopy ? , since Odyssey , they are gone .... How can you see it ? Sorry for my bad English

[@pawn4]

freeze to 80%

[@float_away1295]

nice ASP, commander C;

[@filaon7779]

It's wormhole to leading parallel universe

[@SAIHTAM20Y]

I hate that we can't change the color of screens on Playstation... it'd looks way less aggressive with a blue color.

[@Monody512]

Sadly even if you have the option of HUD customization, it's nearly impossible to find a color scheme that functions as well as the default and doesn't cause eye strain. Color design is hard, and whoever made the default HUD knew what they were doing.

[@borysmarczak3417]

there is a way you just risc getting banned for game moding on playstation

[@STRIDER_503]

309KM? That's even shorter than my home country's farthest boarder... ! Those neutrons are bound to suck each other in! 👀

[@pausenbrottv4058]

its not 309km

[@pausenbrottv4058]

i calculated it roughly with 24k Ls and its about 7.195.019.640Km. Triggers me tbh

[@cmdrpatrickbietruch174]

@@pausenbrottv4058 I suggest looking for timestamps in the video description, I think you missed the 309KM jump.

[@pausenbrottv4058]

@@cmdrpatrickbietruch174 yea your right , sorry for the inconvenience

[@stevenclark2188]

Anyone else think the grav waves from something like this would royally F-up an FSD?

[@JustSomeDudee]

Is it possible to do in Supercruse or do you have to jump?

[@Javin12345]

You would have to jump as each star system is seperate from each other

[@cmdrpatrickbietruch174]

Jump is still required even at 1m away from the other system signal as it serves the purpose of a loading screen.

[@JustSomeDudee]

@@cmdrpatrickbietruch174 Thats hillarious. To think that you have to do Proxima Centauri in Supercruse and yet this exists.

[@alexsabau5942]

@@JustSomeDudee that’s because Proxima Centauri is in the same system as alpha centauri. If they were considered separate systems, you would have to jump

[@JustSomeDudee]

@@alexsabau5942 I'm aware of that but Proxima Centauri (and Hutton Orbital) 275 times further from the jump point and you have to do it in Supercruise. I think that that's really funny.

[@novabella4422]

It would be really cool if we could fly from one star to another without needing FTL

[@om3g4888]

Check out Iansan and BD+08 1303.

[@cmdrHeliaxx]

Nice vid 🙂

[@pawn4]

I thought this video was 6 years old 😭😭😭

[@gerogr4]

Are you your pigeon master? 😳

[@Hissymaster]

You: Warps 1000Ls using hyperspace Elite dangerous didn't like that Elite dangerous: The B star does not exist in this instance, go jump there using hyperspace instead

[@EpixOrBust]

I'm so confused

[@skarmex3439]

I'm pretty sure the amount of fuel you used in that jump is smaller than a bees PP...

[@Dushess]

And still you can't jump 0.22 with this!

[@Karuiko]

Likely could be even shorter if one took some time in supercruise.

[@TheMorrogoth]

Sadly Supercruise will never get you from 1 system to the next. Lol

[@Karuiko]

@@TheMorrogoth But it shortens the hyperspace jump sequence.

[@TheMorrogoth]

@@Karuiko That depends entirely on your PC. Witch-Space is just used as a loading screen. They don't actually have a "distance" factor. The same goes for orbital cruise, etc. A 66 LY jump could load faster than 6 LY jump...

[@Karuiko]

@@TheMorrogoth Shortens the distance jumped, not the loading time of the jump.

[@Szabodomi]

@@TheMorrogoth it kinda depends on your PC, but there is a minimum time, the animation always lasts like 8-10 seconds no matter what you do.

[@WombatOfWimbledon]

Fun fact: This is for real! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSR_J0737%E2%88%923039