30k Upgrade Packs Worth it??? | Models and Memories Weekly #71

[@adamkrajco1920]

For Star Wars Legion they could make a box that is just generic Clone Commanders that are very customisable so you could make the commanders you want to see represented

[@BlackSquadPro]

They did that with the ARC Trooper pack

[@adamkrajco1920]

@@BlackSquadPro Not really, it's just a very customisable ARC unit with Echo and Fives

[@jack-a-lopium]

Don't 'clone' commanders all look the same? You know, cos they're clones?

[@adamkrajco1920]

@@jack-a-lopium I take it you haven't seen the clone wars because no, they absolutely don't look the same

[@merengueatang4]

@@adamkrajco1920 I mean they kind of do. Most of them just have extra special paintjobs and one or two extra pouches, VERY occasionally having a custom helmet or something. The only real exception to this is things like jetpacks (like Cody's), and they often carry over to basic troopers. If you want commanders though, (particularly Cody) check out the Republic specialists.

[@stephenshoolbraid9505]

Jay, you probably won’t see this comment, but buy something called bio strip 20. Hear in the UK I bought some to strip all my Tau and repaint. Works amazing on all types of minis. It literally takes no time at all, dip the model or paint the goo on, let sit for 10 minutes and scrub with water and a toothbrush. Will make it all like new again. Hope this helps dude.

[@mrwabbit9576]

Methylated spirits does the same, is way cheaper and works within seconds. Available everywhere too.

[@stephenshoolbraid9505]

@@mrwabbit9576 True, but there is a lot more work that goes into methalted sprits and once it evaporates, you can’t use it again. If you scrub the minis with bio strip over another container you can reuse a couple of times. So you can actually get a much better bang for you buck then methalated sprits. Reusable and not as much time goes in = saves money

[@mrwabbit9576]

@@stephenshoolbraid9505 I mean I've used the same 750ml bottle of meths 4-5 times with about 1/4 of the bottle left. It takes a while to vaporise. It's also nice because unlike most stripping products it actually breaks the paint down rather than just lifting it off the surface so you're not battling against gloopy paint that clogs your toothbrush, the paint turns to powder when you brush it. Comes off much cleaner than things like dettol.

[@scikri]

@@mrwabbit9576 I've used both biostrip and methylated spirits. Meth spirits have a tendency to "whiten" the plastic. I like biostrip better.

[@mrwabbit9576]

@@scikri you'd have to leave them in the meths for a very long time. I'm talking a couple of weeks for that to happen. Besides you paint the plastic anyway. Usually the point in stripping them.

[@marcwittkowski5146]

I don't think that more ostentatious helmet is supposed to be for a praetor. I think it's just a sergeant option. Also: Horus had white armour during the days of the Luna Wolves. He repainted it black when the SoH repainted theirs sea green. The black SoH/LW were the Justaerin and some other units, but they collectively switched to black when Abaddon took over and they became the BL.

[@CreamAle]

"Normally you get 6 inches per guy, typically " Yep, even in 40k 6 inches is the average.. Also for that UScleaner... Yeah it's beyond just a vibrator bath. It's worth every single penny. Just be careful with flammable liquids in it as it will vaporize a whole lot fast and flashpoint situations can happen.

[@williamings773]

Beakies are based off real helmets, so having variants in the breathing holes makes just as much sense for them as they do for the Dark Angles helms.

[@Willqer]

Yeah, "hounskull visor bascinet" (german for hound's hood, in Poland we call them "dog face" too) for anyone interested. Also sisters of battle helmet is late medieval sallet design (not "pantsu" helmet as some suggest xD).

[@jack-a-lopium]

@@Willqer Sallets and that 'renaissance era' helmets of the Sisters (and IRL history) are much cooler than the Dangles hats, I thought... which is a shame, cos I play Dangles. Would have loved some renaissance era helms, oh well.

[@GuthanSlayer]

but their lame :P XD ( IMO i know people like them)

[@ryanreigns377]

@EonsOfBattle the best paint stripper that I’ve ever used is AK interactive Paint Stripper. With little to no brush work, it melts the paint away for plastic,resin, and metal miniatures. I’ve also discovered that it’s also good for removing paint from the inside of a airbrush that has dried up or caked on. Hopefully that helps!

[@JMcMillen]

Getting some clay sculpting picks can make cleaning out the crevasses of a mini you're trying to strip a lot easier. They are pretty much available at any hobby/craft store that sells modeling clay. Edit: Also, I agree with using modern bases sizes for the mini's, but It's probably a good idea to make the basing taller than you normally would to try and counteract the general shortness of the older models.

[@eccone]

The dark angel and imperial fist head options will be the best sellers imo. Most seem to like the bladeguard knight vibe. I may get the horus heads for a squad of my night lords.

[@PlasticHobbiesPNW]

I second that the Clone Wars is a good show. I like to watch episodes while I paint.

[@odharrison23]

Ebat miniature rescue uses L.A.s totally awesome to take paint off. Looks like it works pretty well. I have never tried it. I too love legion and the clone wars. Great shows how(whispers). Thanks gents!!!

[@BlackSquadPro]

I can confirm LA's totally awesome works incredibly well.

[@bopaintsminis]

LA's Totally Awesome in a cheap Harbor Freight ulrrasonic cleaner will strip down to the gray in half an hour with no scrubbing.

[@jonniesaur]

As a former skeptic of ultra sonic cleaners, I have fully been converted. I got a $70 one off amazon and I use 50% water 50% LA’s totally awesome. I set it for 66° C and run for 2-3 30min sessions. It removes paint, primer, glue, and crud like a hot knife through butter when I rinse it off.

[@nicolastousignant9160]

I don't think that one regular head from the base kit per 10 man would look particularly out of place. The fancy helmeted head seems to be targeting any leader type models, so Sergeant as well. The number per pack seems fine to me

[@BionicleFreek99]

Ultrasonic cleaners are excelent when paired with something else so they support each other, EX: putting a chemical in the bath to help take the paint off instead of just using water, it helps the chemical penetrate and remove the paint by allowing it to more fully get into all the crevices and moving the paint out of the way with the vibrating action.

[@bluespart]

For your bases, I've seen people keep them on the small retro bases, but then have a custom, tournament legal base they could fit them on. That could be a way to do both things at the same time.

[@josuawilkins6744]

Hi Jay, i recently stripped some space marines, and I used Tamiya paint remover. You just throw it in a can or something and put the minis in it, then leave them there for a hour or two. It really works well, but it can not be used on ABS plastics. You can get it at a scale model store.

[@euansmith3699]

8:45 I like how intense the Sons of Horus helmetless head looks. He reminds me of some stock villain character from 80's action movies. I could see these helmets working well as special Sergeant Helmets, to give the squad leaders a bit of special sauce.

[@BigFrenchNose]

Am I the only one refreshing desperately the Warhammer community site for the past 2 weeks to see if they give more info on Kill Team into the dark? Just me? Ok... 😢

[@prixplox]

Naw it's not just you

[@thomaskeshel3874]

Saaame

[@BigFrenchNose]

@@prixplox Glad to hear I'm not the only one! Today it seems like they'll be no news on that either, another week in the dark (pun very much intended).

[@loken67]

Hi, nice old style Terminator Space Marines. Just use some green Detol and an old toothbrush. Paint will peel of any time...

[@olith]

I've used an ultrasonic cleaner on Warhammer metals. They work great. Put your paint remover of choice** in a zip lock bag and put your minis in that bag, then add the bag to the ultra sonic cleaner and fill up the cleaner with water. This lets the paint stripper work hard on your miniatures and is easy to work with. Some I had to scrub or pick at a bit if they were really bad, but mostly it all just came off. ** LA Totally Awesome in the US, don't bother with anything else unless it's free.

[@ivansantos5571]

Bro, just wanna say I'm glad I stumbled onto your channel. Keep up the great work!

[@marshall104]

I know I'm late to this video, but you should sonic wash your minis in acetone by filling the tank with water like normal, but put your minis to be cleaned in a class/ceramic or acetone proof bowl or jar, fill that bowl/jar with acetone, then put that into your sonic cleaner (make sure it's tall enough that the water and acetone don't mix. This should get you the benefit of acetone and sonic cleaning all in one.

[@eastoforion]

I think you're gonna be blown away by the ultrasonic cleaner :) Really changed the game for ebay purchases. Just keep those fingers out of the pot so you dont boil your juices

[@gkeaton9755]

The ultrasonic cleaners are awesome! I use Superclean. The name brand of purple power. 60/40 mix with water. LA's totally awesome works well, too. I strip a LOT of models, and have gone through several cleaners, you do get what you pay for.

[@csdn4483]

Ultrasonic cleaners aren't going to completely remove the paint, *however* , they will make it easy to remove the remaining paint with a toothbrush. The job of the ultrasonic cleaner is to loosen the paint to such a degree that is comes off easily. I think you'll like it once you try it.

[@rowanthestar4653]

bro i love the mk 6 marines just bought a box and some new contrast painting em up as imperial fists now!

[@heckinmemes6430]

Old crunchy termies look great on 40mm bases, speaking from experience. Lets you do more with the basing and they don't fall over as much.

[@brotherhoodofsteel4751]

Purple power degreaser with ultra sonic cleaner gamza has a old video on it. Also I think there are bases you can buy that can convert 25 mm bases to the appropriate size essentially just like a ring attachment.

[@Matt-tb5un]

I went the cheap route for an ultra sonic cleaner and it lasted maybe two weeks. I was so disappointed. Haven't tried an expensive one which I'm sure would last. I like to use Simple Green concentrate for thick paint. Unlike alcohol or acetone, the Simple Green creates this slippery surface that seems to let thick paint slip out of those tough corners.

[@warpwingminis]

I would love to see what a precursor to your Templars army would look like in 30k, like some of the "ancestors" of your army. Could even have some transitionary Marines between the Imperial fists going into the Templars style.

[@jamesv.7041]

Not sure if this contributes but you can magnetize bases for swapping them back and forth.

[@DannyGuppy]

You could make scenic bases using the modern bases on the terminators that the 25mm bases connect to with magnets. That way you get best of both worlds ☺️

[@josh.aguirre]

LA's totally awesome from Dollar Store in an ultrasonic cleaner is the way to go. Gets all the gubs out. Never seen anything work better.

[@dr.trolliver9376]

Oi, Jay, Nice Video. I have Video Idea. Maybe you could do a Video on Kitbashing some old kit. Swooping hawks maybe?

[@nnssggop3087]

glad ur going to paint the models retro in modern paints. its not good to stick to old stuff for too long. keep innovating and grow with new stuff. thumbs up.

[@Genjitsu17]

Colonial Marines shirt FTW! 😍

[@Accidentalcrofter84]

Careful with the sonic cleaner, I bough a cheap one and damn thing gave me a shock when it was working, so sent it back and got Biostrip paint stripper, not sure if you can get it in the US? There's various paint strippers at the DIY store for wood/metal/plastic I think thats where biostrip probably came from as it not marketed specifically for hobbyists, someone maybe tried it and found it to work pretty well.

[@Unforgivable43]

Hey Jay, coming from an Engineer here, an ultrasonic cleaner will help but not with just water. Use simple green or another plastic friendly paint stripper and let em soak for 1-2 days, then turn it on for a while (time depends a lot on the paint) scrub em and put em back in. It will take a while but will minimize your time scrubbing. If this sounds like a pain, and it is, I found a model paint stripper a while back that is made for stripping models and does it in like an hour even the primer, but I can’t find it, does anyone else know what I’m talking about?

[@Yacob44]

The Dark Angels helmetless head looks like Kurt Russell and I kind of love it.

[@GuthanSlayer]

Hey Jay for paint stripping id say try out what the british use for paint stripping, Biostrip 20 its awesome, i was able to order it from elementgames its a little pricy at like 15-25 dollars plus shipping ( which is like 5-10 bucks?) but damn is it effective, removes paint and primer within 30 minutes with a little water and scrubbing unsure if it removes everything else if u leave it on longer but damn its great. work on everything except probably resin, well it will work but u need to be careful so it doesnt dmg it, left a 3d printed mini for a week or so and it melted

[@kerr_b]

Before I even pressed play, my mind said "But you know what's worth it? That's right, our Patreon!" Lol I love those segues XD

[@vesicularmass]

With terminators, why not base them on old school bases with overlapped material edges and then create larger bases they can be magnetised to so you can use them on both.

[@frannyfranfrancis]

Make sure the sonic cleaner has a heater on it. vibration and heat is best for stripping models. For cleaner, dollar store brands work.

[@ajaxdamian]

An ultrasonic cleaner is awesome with stripping paint off of miniatures; I use it on plastic minis with Isopropyl Alcohol and the paint comes right off

[@ryanlo5270]

I would suggest magnetise the 25mm bases to the modern base sizes - kinda like a diorama base for the Primarchs

[@ozmanoshe]

Dark angel helmetless head reminded me of Arthur from the classic movie: Excalibur

[@fransaacs]

Base ring adapters? I'm using them to make 25mm up to 28.5mm for vintage Eldar and 32mm up to 40mm for Astartes HQ and hero characters.

[@leesweeney8879]

Switch to 15mm, keep rages the same. Feels much better. Reactions should be able to force them back to cover, as well. Look up Tomorrow's War.

[@chadkittleson5447]

Soaking in LA's Totally Awesome for a couple days seems to get things done with almost no effort. If you're in the Midwest you should be able to find it at Dollar Tree stores.

[@CMLew]

100% agree with modern bases

[@jameshogg601]

Star wars legion needs to look at how GW sold LOTR SBG back in the day with lots of narrative sets allowing you to have the contents to recreate scenes from the films and add the specific terrain/set pieces. Speeder bike chase with luke and Leia with special poses and a unique imperial scout mini there is so much they could do with it. Hoth Luke with a wampa. Or pilot Luke with his crashed snowspeeder. Luke and Vader Duel.

[@Penguish211]

The best stuff I used for stripping paint off of minis was this stuff called 'super clean' and it came in a big purple jug. You should use gloves and eye protection if you decide to try it.

[@t4washere384]

If you want to try a game with crazy movement then give Marvel Crisis Protocol a go. It has characters like Quicksilver and Juggernaut who really huff it. Team them up with Blade for even more with his leadership ability "Bump in the night" that lets your whole team pay one power to move 1 inch-ish.

[@nerdchattershow]

A wire brush, like sold for golf bags, may help with grabbing that leftover paint.

[@gunslingerspartan]

those dark angels helmets would look pretty fucking awesome on everyone's favorite templar

[@xnortheaglex]

Ultrasonic with heated 91% isopropyl rips paint damn good.

[@GCLEM92]

Ultrasonic cleaning is used by firearms enthusiasts to break up the carbon build up from firing 100s or 1000s of rounds. That’ll do the trick for you probably. And yes put the old models on new bases take a full old hammer proxy army to a tournament!!!!

[@PlaysWithCars]

Brake fluid, yes for a car, is the best and easiest way to strip paint from metal.

[@mrwabbit9576]

My go to for stripping is methylated spirits. Gets to work in just seconds, tears trough paint easily and turns it into a fine powder, unlike a lot of other cleaning products which will turn the paint into goo and clog up the toothbrush you're using to clean them, rendering it useless. It's available in any hardware store for like £1/$2 a bottle. It's reusable too. With meths I'm usually able to clean a model to an adequate standard in about 2 minutes. Don't really need a hypersonic cleaner. Just expensive and unnecessary.

[@CupCakeUnleashed]

While I like the idea, the value is simply not there. You're spending HOW MUCH on a bunch of upgrades, half of which you wont end up using? How about mixed-upgrade kits, where you get a bit of everything, split it up, same cost. Better.

[@NewOldEBM]

I know this has, like, nothing to do with this video, but man your centurions look WAY better with their lengthened legs, can you do a conversion tutorial for them please? That'd be such a sweet vid! Out of the box they look like dreads for squats!

[@DD-jj2tc]

from your metal terminators look into a rock tumbler with walnut or glass beads you can get all three at harbor freight but the walnut and glass is kinda an over kill purchase

[@bendyer551]

ultra-sonic is the way to go

[@Martdogg3000]

It's really funny to imagine that after Horus turned, they had to go ahead and make new, evil helmets for everybody.

[@captainblue6341]

For the bases you should find a way to magnetize the bases so that the smaller one can go on top of the bigger

[@TheSmithomatic]

2 sets of bases magnetised so you can play at tourny if you need to but can look funny and ol scl on the shelf!

[@fjLKA]

How dare you question the Emperor's Children nose holes. The III legion aesthetic is perfection.

[@jameswarren4111]

I'm a white scars player my main Army is White's scars I have 6,000 points of white scars I've been handcrafting with green stuff the helmets and Top Knots all this time why couldn't they've come out this a long time ago I buy the upgrade kits for the pauldrons and swords and pouches all the time

[@bldos5362]

oven cleaner kicks ass at stripping paint from metal models. it may work best of all. it's cheap so give it a shot.

[@kurtosier]

LA's Awesome is the best stripper I've ever used. Goobertown has a great video on it!

[@ManBeastBear]

I'm just going to wait patiently for a Max Rebo operative for SW Legion. Or maybe the Ice Cream Machine guy from Cloud City.

[@joesturn7740]

Have you looked into Ossified Mods Horus Heresy Kill Team full conversion game? I've read the rules and I'm making a 30k Death Guard Kill Team. It seems like it should he great fun.

[@DarthMorshu]

If you want a good paint striper 91% isopropyl alcohol works wonders, removes primer to. No it won't melt your models, I've left plastic to soak in it for a week straight.

[@nyallleary1643]

Honestly ultrasonic cleaner helps but it's not going to do that much, basically saves you the first stroke of the tooth brush

[@03dashk64]

Game of Thrones does the same with boxes of heroes, and they work really well!

[@artycharr]

"Is this gonna be a standup fight, sir, or another bug hunt?"

[@ultramarine0123]

Do like the HH characters base where you have the 25mm base be a detachable part of the current legal base

[@Nikc0brian]

I spare you the work Mr Hellbrecht. Heresy starts around 8:12. FOR THE EMPEROR

[@deebernaers137]

I use an old electric toothbrush, really helps

[@AJBunBun]

you're right! 6 inches just isn't enough, all guys want a couple more.

[@johnbeaudoin7820]

The return of the Aliens shirt!

[@e5a71]

Bug stomper! We make species extinct! Love the shirt, awesome movie!

[@corbinfraley7922]

You should get like 5 of the new beakies, try out the scheme. Its what I've been doing

[@nicholasmattiello8959]

Jay it'd be cool if they just add a strategem core rule addition 2 CP to emmediately move a unit that's being targeted by a ranged attack. Or 10th ed. I play whitescars have no upgrade sprues but got Khan and paint em up add ropes and glaives from gf's grey knights

[@MoDlegion]

You missed the Iron Warrior heads, I would have loved to hear Jay's opinion on them.

[@Willqer]

Legion dosen't have Clone Wars Ahsoka yet? That's weird, why would they start with Fulcrum version? Maybe they didn't want to start with her 1-2 seasons copypasta look, but her second design is pretty iconic ancould actually mirror Asajj, even though Fulcrum is cool. As for Mark V armor, I think it's more of a very speciffic variant that was in production "somewhere" (probably "some" forgeworlds) and was hastly cobled together from it's original (probably unfinished) frame and parts that were available during war. That's why every Mark V has classic bonding studs all over the place, legs, pauldrons, even helmets. They are something like fancy space rivets I guess, holding armor plates together. I wonder if they were also meant out of universe as oversized studs, like in leather jackets, you know because 80s and 90s, bikers, punks and all that jazz. Some beakies already had their studded pauldron in the Rogue Trader I think.

[@nicholasmattiello8959]

Yes Jay I think 20 would be better 2 praetors, 8 helmet less because whitescars lore they are similar to space wolves prefer not to wear if possible. They are kinda claustrophobic lol And 10 regular

[@stefano8881]

Hey Jay, I wanna paint some mechas (like the dreadnought) but gw models are kinda expensive just to paint them. Are there other series or minis with mechas on them I could look up?

[@goralein]

A thousand ways to die in the west. Put flammable liquids into an ultrasonic cleaner may be the way... careful, it can generate explosive gases and the liquids may catch fire. But I made good experiences with metal models and aceton, using an electric toothbrush after the bath. Protection goggles and gloves are of advantage. ;)

[@matts6093]

Glad you still have Horus to paint. Would love to see it as Horus before being chaos-touched. Sonic cleaners work amazing but they take a LONG time to get old paint off, but worth it. Now, where is Nick at with the Stompa??

[@thomasmoore9308]

@E.O.B can you please do a unboxing of the old hammer :) I love metal models. I'm trying to find some my self i don't know ware to look :(

[@Cordeneaux87]

My experience with U.S. cleaner: just soaking plastic in simple green, 2 days, nothing. In the US cleaner running for about 10 hour. paint is falling off. Would highly recommend.

[@grim3897]

Are they worth it? 3D printing waves back with a smile =D

[@bldos5362]

the clone wars was a great star wars television series. maybe the best of them all. rebels was good but not great. no other star wars series beats the clone wars imo.

[@Specter-wt1wt]

bigger basas is way better, makes them older models fit in with newer ones. so that is my recomendation for bases.

[@Warpedlogical]

Paint that lunar wolves bruh, would be sick in your style

[@josephskiles]

I've bought my share of Night Lords upgrade sprues not gonna lie, it was worth it to me

[@paw1444]

Sons of Horus helmets were cool but I would love if they took more from the pretor and other models they already have out.

[@AlexaSylvia]

Modern bases with goblin green rims

[@thegiantratthatmakesallthe5055]

To me, they're all meant to be scattered rather than having the entire unit in one, even the white scars for example, it would look a little strange if ALL of you guys had top knots (top knot overload.) I think my biggest disappointment is, like you said, the helmetless heads, The SoH, emperors children (and really even the white scars) helmet less heads are just generic random heads they just threw in there. Give the SoH head tons of scars, Make the EC head have over the top flowing hair, give the white scars guy some additional decoration.The new Emperors children praetor model is a great example of a unique helmet less head.

[@troy6882]

Glue it to a 32mm or 40mm is the easiest and based looks real good!. Add glow paint and a led UV fit base power claws just got interesting!??.😃😄😁😆😅 5 Smile's.