#31: Where is Uthman's FINAL 652AD STANDARDIZED Qur'an?

We now come to the original Uthmanic Qur'an, which was supposedly compiled by Zaid ibn-Thabit in 652 AD, under the authority of Uthman himself.
Al Fadi as a Saudi Arabian Muslim grew up believing, like most Muslims, that the Qur’an he had in his hand was the same and complete Qur’an that was sent down from heaven in the 7th century to Muhammad, compiled in its final form under the authority of Uthman around 20 years after Muhammad's death, and then passed on through the generations as a preserved text. This story is well documented by Al Bukhari in 870 AD and can be found in Al-Bukhari, volume 6, hadiths 509 - 510.
According to Al Bukhari, which is part of what we know today as the Standard Islamic Narrative (S.I.N.), Uthman, due to confusion amongst various Muslims who had been fighting up in Azerbaijan, because different factions of Muslims were reciting the Qur'an differently from those who came from Medina, Uthman, the Caliph in Medina had the secretary of Muhammad, Zaid Ibn Thabit, re-write the Qur'an in the Quraishi Dialect, from which 5 copies were made and sent to 5 cities (Mecca and Medina which are in Arabia, Basra and Kufa which are in Iraq, and Damascus which is in Syria).
He then ordered that any other Qur'an which disagreed with his final Quraishi Medinan version be burned, including those from Iraq and Syria, so that there would only be one standard Qur'an.
Today, Muslims like to claim that the differences were only dialectical in nature; in other words these were only differences in pronunciation.
Dr Jay and Al Fadi quickly shut that discussion down in this episode, pointing out that in order to show different pronunciations in a written Arabic script you have to have vowels (i.e. the Dhamma, Kasrah and Fatah); yet these did not exist in the 7th century, so they would not have been written in any manuscript at the time of Uthman (i.e. in 652 AD).
So, the only differences would have to have been heard orally, which is exactly what the story says, since it was the oral recitation which Udaifa heard while up in Azerbaijan which was the impetus to then standardize the Qur'anic text in Medina.
So, what then was Uthman burning?
If these were nothing more than oral recitations, how then can they be burned, as they are done solely with one's mouth and tongue. You only burn papers and books. If he did burn Qur'ans which were written down, as al Bukhari clearly writes, then these would have had to be different scripts which only used the 16 consonants available to them, which means they would have had to be entirely different words, suggesting that they would have then been different Qur'ans, and not simply different pronunciations, which then explains why they needed to be destroyed.
But the story doesn't stop there, for a few decades later other Qur'ans began to appear further north, which had completely different Surahs from that of the Qur'an which supposedly came from Uthman's Standardized Qur'an.
According to the Standard Islamic Narrative, Ubay ibn Ka'b (a supposed companion of Muhammad who lived in Damascus, Syria) created a Qur'an with 116 Surahs, though Uthman's had only 114; while Ibn Masu'd (another supposed companion of Muhammad who lived in Kufa, Iraq) created a Qur'an with 110 or 111 Surahs; and a further companion, Ibn Musa, created yet another Qur'an with 114 Surahs, though some of his Surahs were different from Uthman's.
An Australian scholar named Dr Arthur Jeffreys in the 1930s did research on these 4 Qur'ans, using the Standard Islamic Narrative as his authority, and found over 15,000 differences between these 4 different Qur'ans, all supposedly from the 7th century.
Dr Smith and Al Fadi then conclude by asking the 'million-dollar-question', namely: With 5 standardized Qur'ans sent to 5 different cities by Uthman in 652 AD in order to make sure that there would only be one Qur'an, shouldn't we find at least one of these still in existence today in order to compare with what we do have currently?
You would hope so...
Stay tuned for the next episode where Dr Jay and Al Fadi look at the earliest 6 manuscripts in existence, and ask whether any of them is the original Qur'an which was compiled by Uthman in 652 AD. You'd love to know the answer, wouldn't you?
© Pfander Centre for Apologetics - US, 2023
(78,000) Music: "Townsong" by Alexander Nakarada, from filmmusic-io

[@truthmatters7573]

It's very helpful to be able to point out anachronisms in the standard narrative. That proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were creating a narrative, not reporting history. Would be great if we could discover more anachronisms like this!

[@tyh3120]

Waraka and Khadijah were judéo-Christians, so was this Bedouin by his marriage with Khadijah. The Quran was the Arabic Gospel notes of Waraka, then corrupted by the Islamic Antichrist Califes of contradictory doctrines so as to confuse the believers.

[@freedom4life312]

Ishlam is the greatest lie ever told!🤯

[@dundadunda552]

There is NO original quaran..Uthman made it up

[@ishtarlew598]

That's why he had to burn all the evidence.

[@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid]

E. X. A. C. T. L. Y.!!!

[@dominicpereira6006]

That's why so much confusion in islam

[@moosadiamond]

As I say the ahruf and wars is to high for your defective intelligence start learning toharah how to clean your selfs than learn taugeed the oneness of God you won't understand that topic

[@sincostan8056]

​@@dominicpereira6006 because you listen to confuse people

[@yajujmajuj1739]

The standard narrative has holes in it

[@Tjn757]

May God bless you more in Jesus Name brother Fadi and Dr Smith

[@olami8]

Amen.

[@apologeticsnewtestament]

Blessings brothers for sharing this knowledge.

[@user-sy9hh7x9fi]

God bless you brothers!!!

[@keksi6844]

God does not bless False Preachers and their followers.

[@user-sy9hh7x9fi]

@@keksi6844 You're right! Quran 69:44-47 And if he [i.e., the Prophets] had forged this Discourse and thereafter ascribed it to Us, We would surely have seized him by the right hand, and then severed his life vein; and not one of you would have been able to withhold Us from doing so. And what happens later, Is it a blessing? Sahih al-Bukhari 4428 Narrated `Aisha: The Prophet (ﷺ) in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O `Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison." Why did Jesus get taken to heaven, but Muhammad got cut aorta?

[@TheLegend2000AD]

muslim logic 😏 2 different qurans, SAME arabic language. One says “I” the other says “You”, in the SAME verse. muslims 👀🧐😠 Dawah script📜🗣“tHey aRe different aCCeNts!”🤦‍♂NO, they are different WORDS, with different MEANINGS. There is NO VERBATIM word of allah called the quran

[@orunabho]

One important thing is the numbering system used to number the Ayat and Surahs. They are Indian Numerals, including the usage of zero invented in India, not in heavens. And decimal system is only one of the number system that can be done with zero. Possibly brought in Syria by traders or even later during the Abbasid era. Telling us, it is a compiled collection.

[@MagdalenaSz-A]

Thank you for your video full of information and explanation 👏 As always great content

[@modo203]

Wait. Are you even following? 2:57 If Zaid Bin Thabet writes the Quran in 632 AD, as commissioned by Abu Bakr in Medina, why did he have to rewrite it again in 652AD? 3:48 He takes the same exact book that he wrote back in 632 AD, from under the bed and writes it again? lOl Rewrite what exactly? What he already wrote in 632 AD? It was already written in the Quraishi dialect, for he was the personal scribe of the prophet and later to become the Mufti of Medina. What kind of bullshit is that?

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@modo203 ... How much do you really know about your Bible? Let me share to you my findings after reading the entire Bible from cover to cover. The Bible is composed of 2 divisions. One is the Old Testament. Two, the New Testament. The Old Testament is the Hebrew Bible or book of Judaism which the Bible scholars copied and plagiarized word for word, and translated it into Greek. And afterward, shamelessly bragged themselves that they are inspired by the Holy Spirit. Inspired to what? To copy? To plagiarize? And to distort some of the Hebrew words to suit to their evil motive of portraying that all the prophecies in the Hebrew Bible are referring to Prophet jESUs (pbuh)? This is a blatant deception by the Bible scholars to the readers, especially the christians. Instead of acknowledging the book of Judaism, they labeled it as the OT. The supposed book of the christians is only the New Testament. But since the NT is not a book coming from God, the Bible scholars have to support it with the Hebrew Bible which is labeled as the OT. Why the NT is not from God? The NT is comprised of 3 parts: 1). The 4 gospels written by the 4 Greek scholars. But in the 4 gospels, there is not a single gospel that can be found in it. When we say gospel, it means good news/revelation/s from God sent down to Prophet Jesus (pbuh) to be preached to the children of Israel. But what is that gospel which Prophet jESUs (pbuh) preached? Where is it now? None. Nothing. In other words, it is not recorded and preserved. Had it been recorded and preserved, we would have only one gospel in our hands today. And certainly, it is in Aramaic. What then are these 4 gospels? They are purely biography of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) - from his conception, to his birth, to his baptism at Jordan river for the atonement of his sins, to his healing and preaching activities, up to his crucifixion. 2). Mere ideas and opinions of Paul expressed in his letters to the different churches of: 1. Romans, 2. Hebrews, 3. Corinthians, 4. Galatians, 5. Colossians, 6. Philippians, 7. Ephesians, 8. Thessalonians. Paul also expressed his mere ideas and opinions in his letters to the different individuals like: 1. Timothy, 2. Titus, 3. Philemon, 4. James, 5. John, 6. Judas, 7. Peter. He also wrote his ridiculous fictional diary called the book of Acts. 3). The dream of John which he dreamed after writing his so-called gospel of John at around 150 years after the alleged death of Prophet jESUs (pbuh). One night he dreamed a dream. And when he woke up, instead of letting it pop into thin air, he put it into writing and labeled it as the book of Revelations. But the labeling is deceptive and very inappropriate. It must be a book of Fantasy. His dream is nothing but fantasy. Reading it is like watching a Walt Disney movie. So, we can safely say that the christians have no book of religion at all. Hence, Christianity is an empty religion. Empty religion means zero salvation. -07-02-23

[@TheLegend2000AD]

muslim logic 😏 2 different qurans, SAME arabic language. One says “I” the other says “You”, in the SAME verse. muslims 👀🧐😠 Dawah script📜🗣“tHey aRe different aCCeNts!”🤦‍♂NO, they are different WORDS, with different MEANINGS. There is NO VERBATIM word of allah called the quran

[@dollahmusa6705]

Hudhaifa was afraid of their differences in the recitation of the Quran...Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Quran materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. (Hadith, Vol. 6, Book 61, #510). So here we have Uthman saying I'll burn the word of God and I'll decide just what should be in the Book.

[@alonzoharris9049]

This is a false claim. The recitations go through the companions of the prophet.

[@reynoldthemagnificientthun463]

Muslims believed that the quran is unchanged and there are no variants. This is not true. Did you know that the official version of the quran was only finalised in 1924 in Cairo, Egypt? And only officially canonized in 1985 in Saudi Arabia? Scholars know that there are several versions of the quran, but the average muslim does not. Why? The 2 most widely used versions in existence today are the Hafs and Warsh versions. (Others are Qalun, Al-Duri, Khalaf, Al Qisai, Ibn Amir, Abu Amar, Al Bazi etc) Is yours a Hafs or Warsh version? Look at the first verse of sura al-fatihah. If there is a number “1” after the Bismillah verse, then you have the Hafs version. If not, you have the Warsh version. The few knowledgeable muslims who are aware of the existence of these 2 different versions will say there are very minor differences, mainly vocal variations. Again this is not true. Here are a couple of examples of text variants that can be found in the Arabic Hafs and Warsh that show that the quranic text and meaning itself has been altered! 2:125 in Hafs is وَاتَّخِذوْا “WatakhIzu” (You shall take) / In Warsh it is وَاتَّخَذوْا “WatakhAzu” (They have taken/made). In 2:125 One version gives a command, while the other states a historical observation. Another one: 3:146 in Hafs is قاتل “Qatal” (Fought) / In Warsh it is ُقتل “Qutil” (Were Killed). In 3:146 the difference is between a prophet and those with him being killed, while in the other the difference only means that they fought by his side. There’s more: Look up 2:85, 15:8, 21:4, 33:68, 42:30, 48:17 in both these versions and see for yourself. In fact, if you study futher, you will find that number of verses in Hafs is 6236, while Warsh has only 6214 verses. Were you aware of this? Probably not. Why not? Which is the right version? Hafs or Warsh? Didn’t allah say that he will preserve his word? (sura 15:9) Who managed to change his words and cause allah to break his promise? The number of hadith collected and attributed to prophet Muhammed is in the hundreds of thousands, as much as 700,000. Let us now look at some of the famous hadith collectors and what they collected. (1) Malik Ibn Anas collected about 500 hadith in his famous book, Al-Muwattaa. (2) Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, collected about 40,000 hadith, in his famous Musnad. He chose these 40,000 hadith from among 700,000 hadith. In other words he thought 660,000 hadith were un-proven, lies and/or fabrications and the others may be authentic. That is, 94% were lies and fabrications. (3) Bukhari collected about 600,000 hadith. He accepted 7275 hadith and considered 592,725 hadith to be un-proven hadith, lies and/or fabrications. In other words, 99% of what he collected were considered unauthentic. (4) Muslem collected 300,000 hadith. He accepted 4000 of them and rejected 296,000, that is, almost 99% were rejected. This gives us an idea of how much corruption entered or tried to enter Islam from the back door.

[@Wise007Man]

@@alonzoharris9049 what is more accurate the books or the orally transmitted stories?

[@aaabrams1889]

WHAT A LIAR YOU ARE!!! Uthman DID NOT SAY; ''I'll burn the word of God and I'll decide just what should be in the Book.''

[@Wise007Man]

@@aaabrams1889 ok he decided what should be in the book, why he burned the rest?

[@samendican2124]

Thanks for the facts simplified as always

[@Bittertruth86]

Your videos have really helped me alot. Thank you ❤️ God bless you

[@paul_321]

Liking this format

[@danielturcotte9146]

EXCELLENT PRESENTATION!!

[@ShahinAmerian]

one of the most famous Persian poets is a person from the city of "Shiraz" in Iran , nicknamed as "Hafez" and as you know it means a one who has memorized the "Quran" . he died in late 14th century . in one of his poems , he refers to himself as a person who can recite the "Quran" by 14 different variations . here is the verse : عشقت رسد به فریاد ار خود به سان حافظ / قرآن ز بر بخوانی با چارده روایت

[@kingconstantinusthesadisti133]

Thats like 800 years after Uthman caliph. You sure he memorized the original texts? When its literally burned by Uthman 800 years ago. 💀

[@ShahinAmerian]

@@kingconstantinusthesadisti133 exactly ... I did write the Persian version here as he claimed . I can't see any other reason for that , and this claim has been very disputed in Iran at least for more than a century .

[@alonzoharris9049]

What’s the word for different variations? I’m not Persian. I can see an Arabic word used. In Arabic it doesn’t mean different variations. I’m wondering what riwaya means in Persian?

[@ShahinAmerian]

@@alonzoharris9049 it's Persian . Arabic and Persian have almost the same alphabetic but the second one has few more letters . the word has been used by the poet is روایت that its precise meaning is "story" and as I know has been used in Hermeneutics by people for variation.

[@alonzoharris9049]

@@ShahinAmerian The word Riwaya means narration. It refers to a transmission and recital. This word is Arabic. It comes from the three letter root روي. There is رواية حفص for example.

[@increaseyourknowledgenetwork23]

Excellent Masterpiece of information!!!❤God bless you abundantly both 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@freedominion7369]

Amazing and an important contribution to theological scholarship ✝️

[@hmao4466]

Wonderful content as always. Thank you.

[@mattaikay925]

Thanks for all the hard work that you do to bring this information out into the public domain. May God bless you, Dr. Al Fadi & Dr. Smith.

[@John-ni1lt]

The Sanna manuscripts found in Yemen are proof that the Quran if once "standardized" eventually became many variants due to the lack of vowel points and diacritical marks.

[@aaabrams1889]

Do you really know this topic or just repeating what you heard from the Evil missionaries?

[@ankur7773]

@@aaabrams1889 NO KZbin JIHAD plz ABDUL 😄

[@stoneworshipper2599]

So it's a practice burning down the books which started 1400years back😢😢

[@xavierbesnard9201]

Excellent work marked to bear fruit !

[@samuelflores1419]

Exactly, the Perfectly Preserved HOLEY qur'an is just that "HOLEY" God bless you both and your ministry!

[@markmcflounder15]

....hmmmm.....there seems to be "holes in the narrative"....some holes that I will call.....uhhhh....ummmm.....ahhhh....Yasir Qahdi Holes

[@markmcflounder15]

Btw blessings Samuel

[@ethio7557]

@@markmcflounder15 May be related to show you hole doesn't get a real hole at 6 year old. Is 6 related to 666??

[@mangosrepent1817]

Relate to their fallen angels familys

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@samuel flores ... The Qur'an has no holes. It's the 4 make-believe gospels who have huge holes. The 4 make-believe gospels are nothing but HOLEY biographies (seerahs) of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) and his sayings (hadiths). Out of the 33 years of his life on earth, only 5 years were accounted. Where is the accounts for 28 years which comprised the primetime of his life? What a HUGE HOLE indeed !!! -07-02-23

[@123dsj123]

A diacritical mark is a mark (or a symbol) that is placed above or below a letter in order to determine how a word is supposed to be pronounced. Examples: café, Chloë, façade, and piña. The Quran was originally written in the “skeleton texts” of the Arabic language. The “skeleton texts” of the Arabic language have no diacritical marks - no symbols above or below a letter in order to determine how an Arabic word in the Quran is supposed to be pronounced. Hundreds of years later, Muslims introduced and added diacritical marks (symbols) to the “skeleton texts” of the Uthmanic Quran in order to standardize (or to bring into agreement) how a word in the Uthmanic Arabic Quran is supposed to be pronounced. * We can say with certainty that the Uthmanic Quran, with its new additional diacritical markings, has been changed - changed so much that its original complier, Uthman ibn Affan, son-in-law of Mohammed, will not recognize it. Not only do we not have the entire Uthmanic “skeleton texts” Quran from 7th century, but whatever few - hand full of fragments (pieces) we may have today cannot be read (or understood) without the additions of diacritical marks. * Quran 15:9 reads, “Verily, we (Allah), it is who have sent down the Quran, and surely, we will guard it from corruption.”

[@alonzoharris9049]

The diacritical marks of of the OT were added 300 years after the Quran. That’s more than 2300 years after Moses.🤣 If a text can’t be read without diacritical marks. You should throw away your bible if you believe that.🫠

[@collybever]

@@alonzoharris9049 The Arabic northern script was considerably more primitive since whole groups of consonants weren't fully specified originally, so one symbol would be used for 3 consonants or thereabouts in a number of cases - so not just changes in pronunciation. Additionally with Hebrew, whatever is the case about vowels and wihether your claim is correct, there was already a Greek translation made in Alexandria, several centuries before Christ, and also the Aramaic targums. The New Testament is of course written in Greek which was a well specified lingua franca. Aramaic was also a well specified language. Arabic of the northern type was poorly scripted. If Mohammed had lived in the Hijaz perhaps he would have used a more southern script (more likely to me, if he existed, he was in the fringe, East and then South of Israel, running from Palmyra down to Petra, hence the odd stub stories of non-biblical prophets. from those areas of semi-ignorance.)

[@alonzoharris9049]

@@collybever You are not making any sense. You claimed that a script with no vowels can’t be read correctly. But you claim at the same time that the Hebrew OT in the Aramaic script with no vowels has been read and translated correctly. You refuted your own argument. Because you refuted your own argument. You are now trying to change your argument. Now you are claiming that the script was primitive. Trying to claim that the people who used this script at that time couldn’t read their own used script.🤣 You are making no sense. You believe the first five books were written by Moses. Moses lived in 1400 bce. You don’t even have the script that was used in 1400 bce. You blindly accept your bible in the Aramaic script lol.

[@alfiras8604]

The earliest manuscripts do have some amounts of diacritical markings. They're also attested in papyri, inscriptions etc. from the mid 7th century - contemporary with Uthman's canonisation. The idea that they were introduced hundreds of later is demonstrably wrong. Even vocalization dots (for fat-hah, kasrah dammah etc.) were introduced in the late 7th century. Vocalization dots were added to make clear readings that already existed. Muslims openly accept that these were only introduced later - not because they think it's somehow changing the text. It's because (and this is really the only logical reasoning) the vocalization allows the text to be read more easily. Think of it like this: when you're learning Arabic, your textbooks generally have all the vocalization there for you. Once you become familiar with the language, you don't use them anymore. For the Quran, Muslims are generally cautious not to allow for any single mistake, so even for points where the text can be read easily without vocalization dots, they introduced them so that people wouldn't make mistakes.

[@adarwinterdror7245]

@@alonzoharris9049 many of the arguments against the authenticity of the Quran can be said on the OT. I got a christian friend who tried to convince his muslim BFF from college to doubt the Quran using arguments you can hear Jay talking about, and the result was that they both turned into sort of atheists after months of arguments and debating. Well, the muslim guy is an undercover atheist and only his wife knows. His kids and community doesnt. The christian guy has openly denounced his belief in the OT to everyone except his parents, but he still kinda believs in God in a strange Peterson kind of way. He essentially changed his view from believing in God because of the Bible and believing in God because of philosophy, but not in the bible.

[@brianphillips5576]

You are brave men... May God put a hedge of thorns around you two.

[@able763]

Dr Jay, you shouldn't have said "The Christians with their many Bibles" without clarification that that was Uthman's corrupted view of the Bible.

[@alonzoharris9049]

The bible didn’t even exist before the 16th century.

[@aaabrams1889]

Each xtian denomination is accusing each other as having false bible (apocrypha)...Therefore, their bible is inspired by different Holy Spirits, as each group is deleting books from each other's bibles 🤣 Ethopian Bible = 88 books Eritirian Orthodox Bible = 86 books Russian Orthodox Church = 81 books Greek Orthodox Bible= 79 books Orthodox Coptic Egyptians = 73 books Ethopian Orthodox Church = 81 books Protestant Bible= 66 books Catholic Bible = 73 books Slavonic Bible = more than 88 Georgian Orthodox Church= even more

[@armando7257]

He clearly said “that’s what every Muslim believes and what they’ve been told” I know he should’ve been even more clear for the slow ones but he does clarify that twice, before he starts and at the end

[@eliekhoury8527]

How can almighty live in a book...... almighty is in our hearts.. thanks for ur work❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@framestomind7548]

there is no almighty, is only you being brave to follow what you believe you are menat to do in this short life, you got 4000 weeks from you are born until you go back to earth as the ashes you came out of! be yourself and stop idolising others!

[@es-rh8oo]

Happy Narrative Holes day!

[@yucafries7681]

The entire Rashidun Caliphate is a legend

[@uthman2281]

​@mysotiras 018 According to you?

[@aalampara7853]

Conquest of Persia is a biggest fake story propaganda by later Muslims! Rashidun Csliphate is a myth! Even many Muslims knew it

[@Kafir.United]

Even mohamed is just a myth fiction

[@aalampara7853]

@@Kafir.United Quite possible! Or he might be a normal person later on exaggerated by his descendants for political reasons

[@uthman2281]

@mysotiras 018 Evidence for your claim?

[@borneandayak6725]

Where is the original Quran? In Disney Land.

[@markmcflounder15]

Ya know....I thought I saw it on the Pirates of the Caribbean.

[@commentfreely5443]

quaran = pedophiles, Disneyland = pedophiles

[@bobfisher1909]

Yip down the toilet they dance around.

[@kimbo99]

Well it makes sense Muhammed was a cross dresser. Wore Aisha's dresses for best God reception

[@mrsamuel5572]

In a coocoo land, smoke weed everyday

[@mo_51_married_aisha_6]

One of Muhammad's companions; ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar reportedly said: “Let none of you say, ‘I have got the whole of the Qur’an.’ How does he know what all of it is? MUCH OF THE QUR’AN IS GONE. Let him say instead, ‘I have got what has survived." (Suyuti: Itqan, part 3, page 72) (Jalal al Din `Abdul Rahman b. Abi Bakr al Suyuti, al-Itqan fi `ulum al-Qur'an, Halabi, Cairo, 1935/1354, Volume 2, p. 25)

[@markmcflounder15]

Hey Mo was 51, thanks for your contributions. I see in David Woods stuff too. But, thanks for your citations/references

[@aaabrams1889]

I AGREE; ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar reportedly said: “Let none of you say, ‘I have got the whole of the Qur’an.’ YOU STATED ''MUCH OF THE QUR’AN IS GONE'' I agree AGAIN.😀 But a Idiot Islamphobe like you don't know why😅🤣😂

[@indigatorveritatis7343]

@@aaabrams1889 mohamPPll EEEGG rusuI is in heII

[@mo_51_married_aisha_6]

​@Mark McFlounder Thank you and best wishes.

[@mo_51_married_aisha_6]

​@Indigator Veritatis The story of Muhammad and Aisha part one by Nabi Asli is doing pretty good. It looks like it's destined to go into the hundreds of thousands. His channel is really starting to take off. The Abdools are seriously triggered. They never like seeing their best example in action.🤣 Keep up the amazing work and best wishes.

[@roshlew6994]

When imam Bhukari was recording the hadiths regarding the quran compilation & standardisation by Uthman, 2 centuries after the events, why didn't he say what happened to the 5 copies of the Uthamnic quran sent to various Islamic cities in mid-7th century? Why wasn't he curious to know what happened to those copies of quran?

[@olami8]

On point.

[@anthonybaroh871]

Gbu bro❤

[@Letdpoorbreathe]

Jay Smith is very interesting and intelligent. Thank you sir Jay.

[@stevecleary]

If Hafsa's mushaf was already in existence under the bed, why not simply produce this and recirculate copies? Why the need to rewrite anything at all?

[@RJ-fg8kw]

Oops! Burning variant Qurans that don't have the vowellings (tashkil) to indicate dialectal differences, which is the reason for Uthman burning them, doesn't make any sense at all. Recitations/Readings with dialectal differences (or the 7 "Ahruf" as Muslims claim without proof) wouldn't show up without those vowel markings. Aren't we told that Muslims have memorized the Quran in their hearts? They would have to memorize the Quran since it is impossible to read the Quran with consistent meaning without the vowellings. This is a very messy Islamic narrative about the preservation of the Quran by their Allah that they tried to fix and try to fix today, but they know that it isn't working.

[@ailove313]

Let the Truth shine the darkness.

[@jamalbaraja6130]

I am a Yemeni Muslim. I studied the history of Islam and also Christianity. The original Quran is the one collected by Uthman because in his time Islam had spread to many areas in the Arabian peninsula. The proof is every letter and word in it is a miracle. And upon it is nineteen.

[@rickycoverrubias6176]

Uthman burned qurans and picked the one he liked.

[@MU-we8hz]

Alonso believes allah needs a wife to have a son. Quran 6:101 [He is] Originator of the heavens and the earth. How could He have a son when He does not have a companion [i.e., wife] and He created all things? And He is, of all things, Knowing.

[@keksi6844]

Explain us how does ETERNAL God reproduce???? Seems like you are an expert on that field.

[@thelightoftheworld9597]

where is Uthman's FINAL STANDARDIZED 652 AD Qur'an? wallahualam

[@andrewcole4843]

Very good as usual. When are you going to extend this to considering the Shia tradition (and extend that critical discovery via the ironic Alawite theology)? It seems that Shia relies on yet another prophet returning and supposedly in line of descent from Mohammed. That would surely have led to very divergent political pressures compared to the Standard Islamic Narrative so comparison of the texts used would be interesting. Not sure how dynastic based divinity fits with one in which god is undivided. The historical narrative of the schism is presumably is also a challenge to the idea of denying Mohammed's existence as it would involve fabricating recent lineage....so has there been a work back like SIN but by the later Turkic rulers? Could destruction of evidence relating to Mohammed and family have been triggered by the Schism?

[@cdmcintyre1854]

From all this it is obvious that there is no solid evidence that the Quran has been compiled completely, correctly or truthfully. This brings the entire fabric of Islam under questionable scrutiny! Even the most devout Muslim must consider this even if he still maintains his faith!

[@aaabrams1889]

From ALL THIS....lies and deception😅🤣😂 These evil missionaries take you gullible idiots for fools

[@venenareligioest410]

In Peter Townsend’s book ‘The Mecca Mystery’, he points out that Muhammad is entirely absent from the primary historical record. What is even more surprising is that the same is true for his first four successors the Rightly Guided Ones’ (or ‘Rashidun’)!!!

[@aaabrams1889]

Must I give you books of Pagan Pauline Xtinty...or where Jesus went to India? What about that other book where Jesus got married?

[@alfiras8604]

This is nonsense. The Prophet and the Rightly Guided Caliphs are mentioned in several non-Muslim sources of the 7th century. Umar and Uthman are even mentioned in a few inscriptions as early as the 640s CE.

[@venenareligioest410]

@@alfiras8604 Please give EXACT sources. The official Islamic record paints the ‘Rightly Guided Caliphs’ as giants on the geopolitical stage of their day. Yet, as with Muhammed, they are absent from the PRIMARY source record dealing with this period. We must wait for documents (especially the histories of Muhammad Al-Tabari, 839-923 CE and Ibn Kathir, 1300-1372 CE) that were written hundreds of years after their supposedly glorious exploits to even learn of their existence. Think for a moment how utterly implausible this is. We have primary source evidence for even the minutest engagements in the back-and-forth wars between the Romans and Persians. Yet the person who supposedly finally brought Persian Empire to its knees (Umar ibn al-Khattab) is never so much as mentioned in the contemporary primary source record! The first of the Arab caliphs to definitively appear in traceable archaeological records is not one of the four ‘Rightly Guided’ ones, but a ruler named Muawiya. He was the first leader of the Umayyad Caliphate and acted as Caliph from (661-680 CE). The only problem, from a Muslim perspective at least, is that Muawiya is not presented as a Muslim ruler at all. An inscription on a dam near Ta'if (in modern-day Saudi Arabia) built around 678 CE simply calls him ‘***The Commander of the Faithful’. No mention whatsoever is made to Mecca, to Muhammad or to the Qur’an. This is very surprising considering the subsequent insistence on the Islamic confession of faith on all official documents and inscriptions. *** Research shows that the term ‘Commander of the Faithful’ in the Sunnī tradition was not a title pertaining to Mohammed but was given to some campaign commanders, and it retains that context in a few accounts of commanders under the early caliphs. Ref: The Mecca Mystery. P.Townsend.

[@venenareligioest410]

@@aaabrams1889 Academic records will suffice! By and large my references are from independent academic sources, and if not they are double checked.

[@power279]

Uthman Burning every book hence they will never have the original one..what a dumb decision 😂

[@Colors.TF1]

Christian's only had one version of the bible in the 600s, and the Catholics have their version. Multiple versions only came out in the 1700-1800s.

[@valentino3228]

Multiple versions if the Quran emerged in 1924 and one was chosen.

[@abdallahhamisi45]

​@valentino3228 where did you get this

[@valentino3228]

@@abdallahhamisi45 In this very same channel

[@Colors.TF1]

@@valentino3228 the quran was written down from one guys memory 30 years after it was apparently lost. 🤣

[@muskyoxes]

How is it not immediately hilarious that the perfect eternal Quran in heaven, with the most vital world-saving message of all time, was written in a language with an incomplete writing system and given to people who didn't know that writing is better than memory?

[@aaabrams1889]

What kind of Idiot are you that thinks that the Arabs who wrote the Quran could not read it?😅🤣😂

[@DemonKingOFFICIAL]

Islam. Stay away from it.

[@CosmopolitanXMan]

My biggest question: what are the bases (archaelogical, historical manuscripts, historical eye-witness testimonies, etc.) FROM THE SAME ERA with Uthman caliphate (644-656 AD) that say Uthman compiled and/or canonized the Qur'an? If Bukhari (born 810 AD) said it for the first time in history in his hadiths, which is written almost 200-250 years after Muhammad died in 632 AD (as other hadiths are also written 200-even 300 years after Muhammad died and they are also written in Persia, in Iraq or Iran, far away from Mecca/Medina), I cannot believe that Uthman compiled the first Qur'an.

[@protestantbeliever8124]

8Th Century......Ummmmmm wait!! What happened to the time from Adam??? Why are they all of a sudden IGNORING this little CLAIM they make????????

[@aaabrams1889]

Hafsa bint 'Umar Memorizer and Protector of the Divine Message - AL-QURAN Hafsa bint ‘Umar, one of the Prophet’s wives, was known for her memorization and preservation of the Qur’an after the Prophet Muhammad (saw)’s death. Hafsa was the daughter of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab, a close family friend of the Prophet and the second caliph after the Prophet’s death. Hafsa was known for being strong, opinionated, and educated. The Prophet valued Hafsa’s ability to read and write which was rare among women at the time. After the death of the Prophet (saw), Hafsa was made responsible for preserving and protecting the folios of the Qur’an which was eventually was assembled into a single document.

[@trinitymatrix9719]

islam is a joke😂😂🤣

[@markmcflounder15]

Hey Abrams, how do you know that? I mean is that in the Hadith. If so, where?

[@aaabrams1889]

@@trinitymatrix9719 I've got a nice Xtian joke. Do you want to hear it?

[@gentz8310]

So which is now the original arabic Quran? Hafs,Warsh,Abu-Harith, etc

[@aaabrams1889]

@@gentz8310 Your question shows that you are ignorant. Hafs, Warsh, etc. are Different Readings or Recitations. Do you know what the difference is in the Reading? If you do, then you will see it's ONE QURAN.

[@richardthornhill4630]

There is no "original" Quran but there are about 30 versions.

[@jabedhus]

Says who, your anti Muslim channels go be open minded if that is what you preach

[@uthman2281]

Evidence for your claim?

[@jabedhus]

@@uthman2281 have you heard of blogging theology? He can answer your question.

[@uthman2281]

@@jabedhus Yes, I know Uncle Paul. I know the Qur'an is preserved through memorization transmitted from generation to generation traced back to Muhammad s.a.w. I just wanted to see proof of his claim from these ignorant ones.

[@jabedhus]

@@uthman2281 sorry for assuming that your kafir

[@trojans1453]

Couldn't the versions of the quran that Uthman burnt have simply been because there were no dots and vowels on those? The lack of vowelisation would have allowed early Muslims to interpret words differently to what they were intended - so avoid possible confusions in reading he decided to burn those without vowelisation and keep the ones with vowelisation?

[@defcon2544]

Jay, potato may be pronounced differently, but the word is still spelled the same. This isn't the same case with Arabic.

[@singhsaab386]

😂😂 no matter how differently you pronounce POTATO,,,,,,,it will be same POTATO worldwide😂😂😂😂

[@TheLegend2000AD]

muslim logic 😏 2 different qurans, SAME arabic language. One says “I” the other says “You”, in the SAME verse. muslims 👀🧐😠 Dawah script📜🗣“tHey aRe different aCCeNts!”🤦‍♂NO, they are different WORDS, with different MEANINGS. There is NO VERBATIM word of allah called the quran

[@SKANDERBEG123]

Long live ALFATI ✝️❤️🇦🇱

[@simonewilliams7224]

If Muhammad is only a title; what was the name of the man who was given the words from Allah? Or did anyone ever know who he was in fact?

[@midimusicforever]

You mean the one with the standard narrative holes in it?

[@able763]

The point about Bukhari assuming that Uthman's "Only Quran left after burning all others" has diacritical marks is a good one. It means this story is ALSO fake.

[@uthman2281]

According to you.

[@hjs9td]

@Uthmsn: Another Ad Hominem? Why is he wrong?

[@uthman2281]

@@hjs9td It is not an ad hominem to question one's opinion. If you have an argument then make your point and bring evidence?

[@hjs9td]

@Uthman You lecture me about providing evidence in responses and then claim "According to you" is proof of your rebuttal evidence? You are at best uneducated and at worst a Dawah.

[@uthman2281]

@@hjs9td This is your last chance to make a point and present evidence. I don't want to waste your time or mine listening to your worthless opinion.

[@tdsdave]

The hadith with Abu Bakr says due to the deaths in the battle that parts of the Quran may be lost . Which suggests those who memorized it did not know it all , if they all had it fully memorized , you would only need one to survive to preserve it.

[@aaabrams1889]

HAFIZ MUSLIMS KNOW THE QURAN BY HEART From beginning to the End, It was also written down by the secretaries of Mohammad (saw) UPON REVELATION>

[@tdsdave]

@@aaabrams1889 As I said why would they fear parts of the Quran to be lost some number of Hafiz were killed. Insisting they all knew the Quran 100% fails to explain that away. And no , there was no organised recording of the Quran on revelation , at least I've never seen any source say that , I'll wager you cannot provide one. Mohammed actually says not to write down what he says which is why the person collating the Quran from fragments that had been written down was unsure if it was appropriate.

[@aaabrams1889]

@@tdsdave I just told you that the Revelations of the Quran was written down by the secretaries of Mohammad (saw) when he received it. Memorizing the verses like a Recitation by the Hafiz came afterwards once they heard it from Mohammad (saw) and hid scribes. That Recitation was revised over and over, over 5 x a Day in the Salats where groups will hear the Reciter and if that reciter makes a mistake, they correct him. This is in a community where most were illiterate and the best way was to memorize the surahs like a recitation. MOHAMMAD (saw) said not to write down his Sunnah, his teachings and tradition (what he did) as that will MIX with the writings of the Quran as what happened to the Jews and XtIans. EVERYTHING IN THE QURAN IS FROM ALLAH Nothing from Mohammad (saw). YES - the people followed the tradition and Sunnah of Mohammad (saw), during his lifetime and after, otherwise they would not have even known how to Salah ...this Sunnah from only written down by Hadith Collectors 150 - 250 yrs after MOHAMMAD (saw). THE RECITATION (Quran) Under Supervision of the Prophet Muhammad (saw) As the Quran was being revealed, the Prophet Muhammad made special arrangements to ensure that it was written down. Although the Prophet Muhammad himself could neither read nor write, he dictated the verses orally and instructed scribes to mark down the revelation on whatever materials were available: tree branches, stones, leather, and bones. The scribes would then read their writing back to the Prophet, who would check it for mistakes. With each new verse that was revealed, the Prophet Muhammad also dictated its placement within the growing body of text. When the Prophet Muhammad (saw) died, the Quran had been fully written down. It was not in book form, however. It was recorded on different parchments and materials, held in the possession of the Companions of the Prophet. Under Supervision of Caliph Abu Bakr After the death of the Prophet Muhammad (saw), the entire Quran continued to be remembered in the hearts of the early Muslims (HAFIZ). Hundreds of the early Companions of the Prophet had memorized the entire revelation, and Muslims daily recited large portions of the text from memory. Many of the early Muslims also had personal written copies of the Quran recorded on various materials. Ten years after the Hijrah (632 C.E.), many of these scribes and early Muslim devotees were killed in the Battle of Yamama. While the community mourned the loss of their comrades, they also began to worry about the long-term preservation of the Holy Quran. Recognizing that the words of Allah needed to be collected in one place and preserved, the Caliph Abu Bakr ordered all people who had written pages of the Quran to compile them in one place. The project was organized and supervised by one of the Prophet Muhammad’s key scribes, Zayd bin Thabit. The process of compiling the Quran from these various written pages was done in four steps: Zayd bin Thabit verified each verse with his own memory. Umar ibn Al-Khattab verified each verse. Both men had memorized the entire Quran. Two reliable witnesses had to testify that the verses were written in the presence of the Prophet Muhammad (saw). The verified written verses were collated with those from the collections of other Companions. This method of cross-checking and verifying from more than one source was undertaken with the utmost care. The purpose was to prepare an organized document which the entire community could verify, endorse, and use as a resource when needed. This complete text of the Quran was kept in the possession of Abu Bakr and then passed on to the next Caliph, Umar ibn Al-Khattab. After his death, they were given to his daughter Hafsah (who was also a widow of the Prophet Muhammad (saw)). Under Supervision of Caliph Uthman bin Affan As Islam began to spread throughout the Arabian peninsula, more and more people entered the fold of Islam from as far away as Persia and Byzantine. Many of these new Muslims were not native Arabic speakers, or they spoke a slightly different Arabic pronunciation from the tribes in Makkah and Madinah. People began to dispute about which pronunciations were most correct. Caliph Uthman bin Affan took charge of ensuring that the recitation of the Quran is a standard pronunciation. The first step was to borrow the original, compiled copy of the Quran from Hafsah. A committee of early Muslim scribes was tasked with making transcripts of the original copy and ensuring the sequence of the chapters (surahs). When these perfect copies had been completed, Uthman bin Affan ordered all remaining transcripts to be destroyed, so that all copies of the Quran were uniform in script. All Qurans available in the world today are exactly identical to the Uthmani Musaf, which was completed less than twenty years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (saw). Later, Diacritical Markings were added to make it easier for non-Arabs to read and pronounce the words correctly. Yet the Recitation of the Quran has remained the same

[@tdsdave]

​@@aaabrams1889 I've got better things to do than reply to a cut and paste from the internet. If you knew the answers you'd have written them yourself, how lazy are you. Here is a Sahih hadith which describes everything I've said . Sahih Bukhari Dar-us-Salam reference Hadith 7191 "Narrated Zaid bin Thabit: Abu Bakr sent for me owing to the large number of casualties in the battle of Al-Yamama, while `Umar was sitting with him. Abu Bakr said (to me), `Umar has come to my and said, 'A great number of Qaris of the Holy Qur'an were killed on the day of the battle of Al-Yamama, and I am afraid that the casualties among the Qaris of the Qur'an may increase on other battle-fields *whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost* . Therefore I consider it advisable that you (Abu Bakr) should have the Qur'an collected.' I said, *'How dare I do something which Allah's Messenger did not do?' * `Umar said, By Allah, it is something beneficial.' `Umar kept on pressing me for that till Allah opened my chest for that for which He had opened the chest of `Umar and I had in that matter, the same opinion as `Umar had." Abu Bakr then said to me (Zaid), "You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Messenger (ﷺ). *So you should search for the fragmentary scripts of the Qur'an and collect it (in one Book). * Zaid further said: By Allah, *if Abu Bakr had ordered me to shift a mountain among the mountains from one place to another it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to collect the Qur'an* . Then I said (to `Umar and Abu Bakr), *How can you do something which Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) did not do?" [... ] *So I started compiling the Qur'an by collecting it from the leafless stalks of the date-palm tree and from the pieces of leather and hides and from the stones, and from the chests of men (who had memorized the Qur'an. I found the last verses of Sirat-at-Tauba: * from Khuza`ima or Abi Khuza`ima and I added to it the rest of the Sura. The manuscripts of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till Allah took him unto Him. Then it remained with `Umar till Allah took him unto Him, and then with Hafsa bint `Umar." Deal with that yourself. Note "whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost", So with the deaths of the Qaris the Quran was put at risk of being lost 'How dare I do something which Allah's Messenger did not do?' So Mo had not had the Quran collated. "So you should search for the fragmentary scripts of the Qur'an and collect it " Why would you need to search for it? "if Abu Bakr had ordered me to shift a mountain among the mountains from one place to another it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to collect the Qur'an" Searching for and collecting the Quran was an extremely difficult task, not easy. "by collecting it from the leafless stalks of the date-palm tree and from the pieces of leather and hides and from the stones, and from the chests of men" The quran was found in disparate pieces of scrap writings , and some parts remembered by men.

[@aaabrams1889]

@@tdsdave How can a large part of the Qur'an be lost if the secretaries of Mohammad (saw) wrote it down?😅🤣😂 Mohammad (saw) did not collate what was written down but Abu Bakr did and was kept with Hasfa, the widow of Mohammad (saw). THE QURAN is a Recitation, that's what it means and all memorized it like a Recitation (Hafiz). To have the Quran in a book form is a BONUS😀 The Hafiz that were killed in Yamama was a great concern because Most people were illiterate and learnt the Quran by those Hafiz - meaning ''large part of the Qur'an may be lost'' as those who are not Hafiz will leave out parts of the Quran - Also that's why Abu Bark insisted that the Quran should be collated. Collating the Quran was not done by just collecting all the parchments accumulated over the past 23 yrs. Then the Quran would have been volumes like the Hadith books. Zaid further said: By Allah, if Abu Bakr had ordered me to shift a mountain among the mountains from one place to another it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to collect the Qur'an. YES - THIS WAS A GREAT TASK There are tons of writings, on different kinds of Material, on Stones, bones from shoulder blades of camels, hides, papyrus, dried palmleaves that were woven, etc. Revelation came down to Mohammad (saw) not only for theology but for almost everything, for laws, when MOHAMMAD (saw) was in a crisis, how to deal with different situations, etc. That's why Jibreel REVISED the Entire Quran with Mohammad (saw) EVERY YEAR IN RAMADAN, leaving out, ABROGATING what is not applicable anymore, eg, revised laws, problems that were solved, etc. And the Ramadan before Mohammad (saw) death, Jibreel revised the Entire Quran TWICE, like we have it today. So the Companions of Mohammad (saw) who knew the Quran by heart and the latest were also required for the collating AND THAT WAS DONE completing the collating with a Quran that was kept with Abu Bakr, then Hafsa, the widow of Mohammad (saw). And with all this hard work - Uthman took Hafsa;s Quran WITH the secretaries of Mohammad (saw) who wrote down the revelation over the years AND with Shahabas, companions of Mohammad (saw) who also knew the Quran by heart, as witnesses to produced the Uthmanic Mushaf.

[@walterevans6034]

Is there any basis of what's being put out to the public

[@coolbuddydude1]

Jibril gave Mo 7 different readings… he couldn’t give a Latin reading while at it ? 😂

[@futureisyours3016]

....and Mo was illiterate. How good was his memory to recite those 115 suras word by word to his disciples????

[@kuswanto6488]

This person is simply expressing his opinion and research. The original Koran is the word of God. Which is now doubled in the memorization of every Muslim. I once heard and listened to the recitation of a Quran memorizer who was reciting his sentences, even though he was asleep in a sitting position, but I examined his reading and it remained correct. Then who reads?

[@damyankuzmic5605]

Between so many Qurans is only One Quran. Burner Uthman know. Caliph 🔥📖

[@michelepaige8080]

If the rasm were the same, there was no reason to burn those qurans; if the rasm were different, that's a HUGE problem for SIN!

[@MrGreeneyes77]

One thing confusing about this video is are the other burned Qurans supposed to be identical except for the diacritical marks?

[@salahali2710]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 those guys are twisting the truth he is comparing Arabic to English it’s 2 different languages the dots were made for none Arabs so the could read the Quran not for the accent

[@indigatorveritatis7343]

excuses LOL

[@aaabrams1889]

@mysotiras 018 LOL - is a good example - Do you read '' Laugh Out Load'' or Lucifer Our Lord? IDIOT!!!! You make as if the Arabs could not read their own language without the dots😅🤣😂

[@salahali2710]

@@indigatorveritatis7343 I speak Arabic I know what I’m talking about… white people act like they know everything 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@defenderoftruth3212]

How I earnestly wish that there is now an original ARAMAIC GOSPEL because I am dying inside to read it. I hope there is a translation in English. It's hard to read it in its original form in Aramaic. I don't know that language. I think Aramaic is much harder to read than Arabic. I believe that this Gospel is a book of spiritual guidance from God. Unlike the 4 make-believe gospels, their contents are purely biographies of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) but with a huge hole in the accounts of his life covering the primetime of his age. From what museum or library can we find the original ARAMAIC GOSPEL? Is there any original manuscript for it? I am urging Jay Smith and his cohorts to produce that book as soon as possible so that Muslims and Christians alike will be enlightened. -06-09-23

[@kembekanana]

The challenge is on you, as a muslim, to produce the original uthmanic quran.. "The Standard Narative has holes in it"...Dr. Yassir Qhaddhi

[@hanmirz4803]

The onus of proof is on you to show us the manuscripts of the quran from 7th century or 8th century. There are countless manuscripts of the 4 Gospels as well as the other Books of New Testament by thousands. Not only that, the writings of early Church fathers from 1st , 2nd century contained quotes from the 4 Gospels as well as other New Testament Books. The original manuscripts of their writings are still available. As for quran, you don’t possess the original manuscripts. The consequences of being burned by uthman. While early Christians were persecuted and selflessly defended the Christian faith, the early muslims were focused on decapitating one another. Hatred and murders among companions and family . By the way, Hajjaj Ibn Yusuf Saqafi standardized the diacritical marks of the quran as resported in your tradition. And this man, cruelty and brutal were not far from his character. “By the fruit you should know them”. Viva Cristo Rey

[@josiahlambert9675]

The gospel was not written in Aramaic. The Gospel is what we have now and was written in Greek as it was the dominant language around the world. Therefore, it was written in Greek, so ALL PEOPLE could read, hear, and believe the gospel

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@kembekanana ... The holes which Yasir Qhadhi were referring to are not referring to the lacking in the Qur'an. What is mean by Standard Islamic Narratives? This has a broad meaning. And this does not affect the Qur'an itself. What is pitiful on your part is that the original Aramaic Gospel is totally lacking. It doesn't have even a manuscript that could be found. And this is supposed to be your book of religion because this is from God which He sent down to Prophet jESUs (pbuh) to be preached to the children of Israel (Jews). Its contents are purely revelations from God. What you are today are the 4 make-believe gospels which their contents are nothing but the HOLEY biographies (seerahs) of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) and his sayings (hadiths). There is not a single revelation from God that could be found in them. In the Islamic standard, these are not books of religion. Biography (seerah) of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and his sayings (hadiths) are written in separate books. Nothing of that sort is included in the Qur'an. Uthmanic Qur'an is what we have now. You should never lose sight of the fact that Uthman had standardized the Qur'an and burned the unstandardized ones. In other words, what is left is only the Uthmanic Qur'an. What you are looking for is the un-Uthmanic Qur'an which was burned already. The challenge is for you to find the original Aramaic Gospel if you want to have a book from God. Remember, it's a book which is complete by itself. It needs no back-up from the Hebrew Bible which was plagiarized word for word by the Bible writers, and deceptively labeled it as the Old Testament. -06-18-23

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@hanmirz4803 ... Even millions of manuscripts will not make them the original Aramaic Gospel. This is a book from God. Hence, its contents are purely revelations from God. But the 4 make-believe gospels, their contents are nothing but the HOLEY biographies (seerahs) of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) and his sayings (hadiths). There is not a single revelation from God that can be found in them. Decapitating? Paul was decapitated into pieces by the Roman King, and his chopped pieces were distributed into the 4 corners of Rome to serve as a grim reminder not to be imitated upon by the people. What is the worst character of Paul that gained the outburst of the King? Decapitating? Prophet jESUs (pbuh) was allegedly decapitated by the Roman soldiers in collaboration with the Jews. -06-18-23

[@jonathanmarcus76]

Early Christians were fighting over early Christian writings. It took 300 years to agree on their bible. Why wouldn’t one expect the Muslims to have a similar process?

[@fuzbeatboxern5714]

And whare is the other half of Surah 33!

[@aaabrams1889]

THE YELLOW PAGES is more accurate than ANY bible

[@bobfisher1909]

Yet your cult had no issues copping from it.

[@markmcflounder15]

Ohhhhh! This is intellectually excruciating. The Quran affirms the Bible (the Taurat & Injeel)......so, I guess we should have a 5am call to....the Yellow Pages

[@aaabrams1889]

@@markmcflounder15 The Quran affirms the ORIGINAL Taurat & Injeel...Where is the Injeel, the Gospel of Jesus in your corrupted bibles? Jay himself admitted in his previous video that your bibles are corrupted and that Xtians do not make the same claim that the bible was perfectly preserved.

[@aaabrams1889]

@mysotiras 018 Here is a accredited Xtian scholar kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zne1qaqgnMRrmK8

[@collybever]

@@aaabrams1889 But you ignore the many texts in the Quran, which say the Injil and Torah are good, valid revelation from Allah, that Allah's words cannot be changed. Christians and Jews are told even to judge Mohammed and his ideas, by their books, that Mohammed has faith in. "Mohammed" thought he was bringing the same revelation, but to Arabs. The books "in their hands" are good, so Mohammed did not think there was corruption. But later on when christians and Jews pointed out the errors of the Quran, its distorted versions of Biblical stories, the regime using Islam to give it legitimacy, didn't like that, so the dawah idea of corruption got invented. You're a victim of long-deceased caliphs, some of them were far from savoury characters, their empire is long gone.

[@peterxuereb9884]

The original text of the quran is in hell as The Bible is in Heaven.

[@tarikabaraka2251]

El Corán cúfico de Samarcanda es un Corán manuscrito del siglo VIII o IX escrito en el territorio del Irak moderno en escritura cúfica. Hoy se conserva en la biblioteca Hast Imam, en Tashkent, Uzbekistán. Se dice que perteneció al tercer califa, Uthman ibn Affan.

[@strongpp240]

Namaste,🙏🙏

[@aaabrams1889]

THE RECITATION (Quran) Under Supervision of the Prophet Muhammad (saw) As the Quran was being revealed, the Prophet Muhammad made special arrangements to ensure that it was written down. Although the Prophet Muhammad himself could neither read nor write, he dictated the verses orally and instructed scribes to mark down the revelation on whatever materials were available: tree branches, stones, leather, and bones. The scribes would then read their writing back to the Prophet, who would check it for mistakes. With each new verse that was revealed, the Prophet Muhammad also dictated its placement within the growing body of text. When the Prophet Muhammad (saw) died, the Quran had been fully written down. It was not in book form, however. It was recorded on different parchments and materials, held in the possession of the Companions of the Prophet. Under Supervision of Caliph Abu Bakr After the death of the Prophet Muhammad (saw), the entire Quran continued to be remembered in the hearts of the early Muslims (HAFIZ). Hundreds of the early Companions of the Prophet had memorized the entire revelation, and Muslims daily recited large portions of the text from memory. Many of the early Muslims also had personal written copies of the Quran recorded on various materials. Ten years after the Hijrah (632 C.E.), many of these scribes and early Muslim devotees were killed in the Battle of Yamama. While the community mourned the loss of their comrades, they also began to worry about the long-term preservation of the Holy Quran. Recognizing that the words of Allah needed to be collected in one place and preserved, the Caliph Abu Bakr ordered all people who had written pages of the Quran to compile them in one place. The project was organized and supervised by one of the Prophet Muhammad’s key scribes, Zayd bin Thabit. The process of compiling the Quran from these various written pages was done in four steps: Zayd bin Thabit verified each verse with his own memory. Umar ibn Al-Khattab verified each verse. Both men had memorized the entire Quran. Two reliable witnesses had to testify that the verses were written in the presence of the Prophet Muhammad (saw). The verified written verses were collated with those from the collections of other Companions. This method of cross-checking and verifying from more than one source was undertaken with the utmost care. The purpose was to prepare an organized document which the entire community could verify, endorse, and use as a resource when needed. This complete text of the Quran was kept in the possession of Abu Bakr and then passed on to the next Caliph, Umar ibn Al-Khattab. After his death, they were given to his daughter Hafsah (who was also a widow of the Prophet Muhammad (saw)). Under Supervision of Caliph Uthman bin Affan As Islam began to spread throughout the Arabian peninsula, more and more people entered the fold of Islam from as far away as Persia and Byzantine. Many of these new Muslims were not native Arabic speakers, or they spoke a slightly different Arabic pronunciation from the tribes in Makkah and Madinah. People began to dispute about which pronunciations were most correct. Caliph Uthman bin Affan took charge of ensuring that the recitation of the Quran is a standard pronunciation. The first step was to borrow the original, compiled copy of the Quran from Hafsah. A committee of early Muslim scribes was tasked with making transcripts of the original copy and ensuring the sequence of the chapters (surahs). When these perfect copies had been completed, Uthman bin Affan ordered all remaining transcripts to be destroyed, so that all copies of the Quran were uniform in script. All Qurans available in the world today are exactly identical to the Uthmani Musaf, which was completed less than twenty years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (saw). Later, Diacritical Markings were added to make it easier for non-Arabs to read and pronounce the words correctly. Yet the Recitation of the Quran has remained the same

[@bobfisher1909]

BS.

[@markmcflounder15]

AA Abrams I wish you well! May the Lord bless you & challenge you. So, how do you know these things are true? Where are your primary resources? To challenge you, this sounds completely made up! Where os your evidence for these things?

[@markmcflounder15]

AA Abrams, I hope you feel welcome here. It's harsh territory for you. But, blessings to you & your family.

[@aaabrams1889]

@@markmcflounder15 How do I know it's true? It is well documented in the History of Islam and from the Hadiths and from the Quran. Allah Himself said that He will preserve the Quran. THE PROBLEM is that Jay is not telling the Full Story and cherry-pick from the sources, misquotes that and builds a allegation around that. JAY STARTS HIS PREMISE WITH ''We now come to the original Uthmanic Qur'an, which was supposedly compiled by Zaid ibn-Thabit in 652 AD, under the authority of Uthman himself.'' Jay don't even believe that Zaid ibn-Thabit who was ONE out of many secretaries of Mohammad (saw) who compiled the Quran under the supervision of Uthman😀 How did that then happened? - Did Uthman himself compiled it?😀 Jay further said; ''...final form under the authority of Uthman around 20 years after Muhammad's death'' but FAIL to say that there was ALREADY a completed Quran in a book form with Hafsa, daughter of Umar, the 2nd Caliph and one of Mohammad (saw)'s wives.

[@khakimmalekov]

But the all powerful allah can't preserve the torah and bible from corruption.. Come on now 😂what an irony..

[@zachtbh]

Muslims keep saying allah have chosen Arabic language to disseminate his message to the world because that is the perfect language that has never been changed or evolved through time. Then suddenly in 9th century, diacritical markings were used the in the scripts 😅

[@aaabrams1889]

Laugh at your own ignorance😅🤣😂 The Revelation was revealed to the Prophets in their own language - Arabic was for Mohammad (saw) and today it's translated into all the languages of the world. Diacritical Markings were added for Non-Arabs to Pronounce and Sound the verses correctly - YET THE RECITATION OF THE QURAN REMAINS THE SAME.

[@kembekanana]

Soon. Alonzo Harris will come up with his three gods rhetoric..

[@ailove313]

He had come with his antique. Together with the general JG.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

It looks like Jay Smith and Abdul Fadi become irritatingly jealous and infuriated when they could read something beautiful is written about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). What they want is that all writers would always go by their line of thinking by always finding faults against Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), and that what they should write will always be about his bad sides. If only they have a supernatural power to squeeze the intelligence of Michael H. Hart, Marijn Van Putten, Hythem Sidky and the likes of them, they would do so to make them write anything negative only about Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). What they lose sight of the fact is that they cannot suppress the intelligence of the writers and their independence to write. They cannot make them succumb to their evil motives. -08-28-23

[@redpill8273]

LOGIC 101. In quran, Allah/We/Us collect and protect quran. So since Uthman collected quran, therefore the god of muslims is Uthman

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Is it not worth pondering upon as to why the ORIGINAL ARAMAIC GOSPEL cannot still be produced by the Christian scholars up to now? If I were a Christian, I would give a second look on my faith since I have no book from God to serve as my basis for my spirituality and religiosity. I would not hesitate to give a second thought by questioning the genuineness of the source of my faith which come only from the opinions and ideas of different men. How could it be that their words become the words of God? Am I in the right track? Or, should I now shift lane to erase the doubts bothering me? Or, should I choose procrastination until the original Aramaic Gospel would surface from oblivion? But my end is getting nearer and nearer every day. I have to act now and waste not a second. I have to choose the religion whose book comes from God. With that, I am sure that I am following the words of God, and not the words of men. I am certain now that I have a better place to go to. Paradise. -09-03-23

[@siaboonleong]

Where's the red letters ? I zoom in there's nothing

[@akulasalupailman650]

Where is original Torah, Psalms,Bible in which language is it paleohebrew

[@Sound_for_Soul_]

Uthman (may Allah be pleased with him) burned the Quran not because of the different dialects. He burned them because they were written by people and therefore contained errors. People used to write the things being revealed to Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). So, they basically had their own writings of the Quran. These texts might have contained errors as they were not checked. That is why they were burned because a large amount of text simply cannot be assessed. To summarize, Uthman (RA) did not burn the Quran because of different dialects, It was because of errors as they were written by normal people and were not checked.

[@joesanchez3646]

Nonsense

[@davidchase1439]

At one time we're 500 Koran editions roaming around

[@ConservativeArabNet]

How Azbergan memorises Arabic where there was no Arabic??

[@abdallahhamisi45]

Arabic was a popular language back then

[@l.o.y7818]

Early Muslims learnt from the mistakes of the people of book. Great works by them for standardization.

[@shahadathkadir]

Of the 124,000 manuscripts they boast about , no two are the same . And they are not originals , but copies of copies , in some cases copies of the copies of the copies . Out of 124,000 Gospels , u pick & choose what suits you .

[@bobfisher1909]

If the school in Cairo had issues in 1924 with students giving different answers to questions from there standard Qurans brought with them from home and had to collect them all from them and sink them into the Nile River and go with Hafs to standardize the text what does that then say? Still right up to 1984 they had problems so they authenticated Hafs for all Muslims but people in Africa today still follow Warsh. I suppose take a lucky dip which one is correct after all its between going to hell or heaven so choose wisely.

[@andrevisser7542]

Doesn't matter, no Quran can get you in heaven.

[@adam_meek]

*đa different copies Uþman had made were all different t wun anuđur*

[@thehindukushheights]

I was a born Muslim but had to Convert to christianity in 1998.. I am independent in theology now bcz I am of the strong belief that every creed was created by the Mankind not by God.. science is the main reality instead.

[@wotizit]

Hindu

[@bluerain4241]

👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@ahmedibrahimgarba4990]

The Glorious Qur'an is easily committed to memory even at the time of the prophet Muhammad (pbuh).The prophet leads the 5 daily prayers and always recites surah Fatiha and other surahs. The 5 daily prayers has been the long chain that sustained recitations of the Qur'an from the time of prophet Muhammad ( pbuh),upto this moment. It hasn't changed and no missing portions of the Qur'an. Every complete Quran has 114 surahs. Every complete Quran begins with surah Fatiha and ends with surah Nas. The Qur'an is from the creator ALLAH ( SWT).He promised to preserve it and indeed, He has done so. Alhamdulillah!!

[@henktmmr]

Copycat from the Bible, which existed long before mohammed was born. Repent before it is too late.

[@aabraham3989]

@@henktmmr Educate yourself and you will see that there is only one religion. All the Prophets were MUSLIM and Islam - SUBMISSION TO THE WILL OF THE CREATOR - started with Adam, Noah, Abraham, MOSES< JESUS< Thousands of Prophets (peace on them all) and Mohammad (saw) COMPLETED the religion.

[@SaintRamona]

@@aabraham3989 God forbid The God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob say every male child born should be circumcised on the 8th day Show me the verse in the Quran where it says males should get circumcised

[@SaintRamona]

@@aabraham3989 you’re only parroting what you’ve heard and you can’t defend it

[@aaabrams1889]

@@SaintRamona Are you circumcised?

[@zakariaujang8492]

People are starting to get interested to know about the pre Uthmanic quran...the burning of various manuscripts only proved that there was no perfectly one preserved quran🎉

[@markmcflounder15]

The original Quran is clearly in the Smithsonian right next to the Golden Tablets of the Great most honest Joseph Smith......or it's in the basement of the Alamo

[@rubrev6599]

:-D

[@yaserbatal6474]

As usual, ignorant Christians believe that we found the Quran in old mosques as they found their lost Bible 300 years later 😅

[@NaveenChudnovsky]

Where is the original bible ?

[@shahadathkadir]

These people talking about original Uthmanic text when they themselves are confused as to which is the true Bible ? They have the KJV , NLT , NIV , NKJV , NSV , NASB , TB , NRSV , GB , RSV , The Catholic Bible with 73 Books , the Christian Bible with 66 Books , the) Orthodox Bible with 77 Books & the Ethiopian Bible with 81 Books . The Catholic will not use a Protestant Bible, the Protestant will not use an Adventist Bible , the Adventist will not use a baptist Bible , because they are different Bibles . They all have their different ways of worshiping their respective gods . While ALL MUSLIMS say the same prayer ( word for word ) in the same manner , from the same Quran , to the same God , Allah .

[@tonybadh4086]

If 21st-century Muslims make copies of the Quran and distribute them, why did the 7th-century Muslims or beyond not make copies and spread them throughout the empire that could survive time and change? There would have been fewer controversies today if full copies of Othmanic's Qurans were available today. Are early Muslims' beliefs and traditions different from 21st-century Muslims? The 21st-century printing press could produce millions of copies, surely a 7th-century wealthy Islamic empire could produce thousands of copies.

[@uthman2281]

Evidence for your claim?

[@cheemantavedantam5036]

If one sticks to the import of the holy book, the results would be far better.

[@davidchase1439]

No complete Kiran ever found from Muhammed nor uthman first complete one 8th century

[@deoneforpeace]

I just dreamt that the fires in Quebec have probably killed our ecosystem and that I was yelling at a jew that WE HAVE JUST BEEN THROUGH THE WORST NATURAL DISATER OF ALL TIME....

[@AZ-sv8yg]

You know what the IRONY is: You have a speaker who is neither an Arab, nor a native speaker of Arabic, nor an expert in Islamic manuscripts. Do you think that the British or Americans will call upon an Arab like you to verify their old manuscripts or ancient sources? I do not think so. You needed to have a group of MUSLIM scholars to discuss this. This is truly ridiculous. Who gives a person like this the authority to claim expertise in Islam?

[@scotthensley8001]

Muhammad found some gold plates buried on the side of a hill and he translated them using a seer stone and then he put the golden plates back into the hole. Oh, wait….

[@AbulKalam-ik7mo]

Why Bible Are No Evidence