(32) LAW LOCK TOOLS RENEGADE PRO SET

[@alpama37]

Another set and another maker that I adore. Tier 1 and then some. Their 301 HY steel I believe was the first available on the market, and at 290k~ PSI UTS it's higher strength than some lower grades of the stuff. These picks (and the Tipene Pros) were my first after I tried Peterson and was unable to get into certain highly paracentric keyways (eg DOM Plura) with their wide shanks. Properly excellent review, Sandman. Excited to see more and thanks for the opinions as always.

[@sandman_locksport]

Thanks very much for watching! I know it was a long review but I enjoyed doing it and I hope people will get the information they are looking for.

[@andy123law]

Thanks sandman that was a great review. Not many people deep dive into the background and company like you do and i am glad you did. Credit where credit is due thanks again 👍

[@sandman_locksport]

The man, the myth, the legend himself! Thank you very much for making such awesome tools! I will be collecting everything you have over the coming months and into next year. Thanks for watching!

[@PocketWomen]

Glad to see more locksporters getting into LLT. Since Bare Bonrs made me handles for all my different handles of all the picks I have brought from you and have won, like my Valyrian set I can now use all your pick handle profiles with total comfort. I am so enjoying being able to use these picks more often now. Very appreciative that you have teamed up with Bare Bones. Cheers

[@andy123law]

@@PocketWomen thanks 👍👍

[@tipenengapuhi]

Enjoyed your review mate and yes you pronounced my name correctly 👍 Cheers, Tipene

[@sandman_locksport]

Thank god for that! Thanks for watching!

[@N0B0DY_SP3C14L]

Andrew Law makes some of the best in the business. His steel is second to none, and he is a true gentleman who pays attention to what his customers ask for. He REALLY knows his stuff. His collabs with Tipene and Christina Palmer are some of my favorite and most used tools in my kit.

[@Dotslocks14]

Great video as I have come to expect from you Sandman.There’s plenty of lockpicking KZbinrs but hands down you are the most in depth and informative locksport reporter.Thanks for all your hard work my friend 🤟🏻

[@sandman_locksport]

Much appreciated

[@Nicks-Picks]

Just found you through a post Andrew put up on FB . Great review. Not only does he make top grade highly functional tools but he's an absolutely top guy as well, always happy to fill ANY ORDER and the service too right all the way.

[@sandman_locksport]

I couldn’t agree more. Thank you so much for watching!

[@weatherman68]

A brilliant in detail review of this beautiful set. Id expect no less from LLT. ✌🏽🕊🍻

[@sandman_locksport]

Thank you very much for watching!

[@weatherman68]

@sandman_locksport Always a pleasure mate. Peace and respect to you and yours. ✌🏽🕊👍🏼💯🫡🍻

[@jayybarra6236]

Duuuuude! My kids are going to have way too many pick sets as it is! Man. I’ve got FIVE different Jimy”s coming Wednesday. NOW it’s off to the land of the Law? Damn. I hope NEXT week it’s GOSO week! Lololol

[@sandman_locksport]

haha, GOSO, your hilarious lol. No week is GOSO week here! Jimy, Moki, Law Lock Tools, Bare Bones, Covert Instruments, all are Tier 1. But, find what feels most comfortable in your hand, then buy all the picks from that system, then pick all the locks! Thanks for watching!

[@brianhignett8954]

Sandman, what a great review, you come across as very passionate and sincere. Well done.

[@sandman_locksport]

Thank you. Here is my email, I have some questions about locks found in Australia.. [e-mail]

[@thatlockpickguy]

Love this. All the info about these tools are priceless 🤘😎🤘

[@sandman_locksport]

Thanks for watching!

[@jonholistik]

Welp ive been on the fence about picking up that set but i think im sold lol....one thing i will say, i think that the longhorn tension set from southern specialties does include that cutout notch...but thats neither here nor there. As always great vids man

[@sandman_locksport]

Thanks for letting me know, I didn’t know they’re turning tools that had that. I haven’t looked at it in a long time. I don’t even think I still have one in my collection. I’m pretty sure I gave it away. Thanks for letting me know.

[@sandman_locksport]

I looked into the turning tools from Southern specialties, it’s not the same type of cut out. The cut out on the southern specialties was actually designed by Christina Palmer, that cut out as designed for the purpose of nesting. It has no functionality for picking a lock. It just allows the turning tools to nest against each other as they are all bent at the same angle. That’s what she told me over the phone anyways. Whether that is true or accurate, I have no idea. I will say that this particular turning tool is absolutely completely different from the southern specialties, turning tool that the longhorn tension set has. The cut out in this particular turning tool has a very specific function, which is to Bite into the brass plug somewhat. It’s kind of hard to explain, unless you have one in your hand. That being said, the southern specialties longhorn turning tool, is identical to the Covert Instruments turning tool. As both were designed by the same person. But it is completely different from the law, Lock tool, and in comparison, a similar tool that is offered by bare bones in Australia.

[@jonholistik]

Oh nice, this is why i love your channel man!! I always learn new stuff on top of any reviews, 😊 thats really interesting to know and cant wait to check out those turning tools from law lock now!

[@rizzgy7486]

Dayum everything looks good in this set. Excellent review. Christmas might come early for myself.

[@sandman_locksport]

Ha! I too like to play Santa Claus for myself lol thanks for watching!

[@rizzgy7486]

@@sandman_locksport by any chance do you think these picks are ergonomic enough to work for medium hands?

[@sandman_locksport]

@@rizzgy7486 don’t know. Truthfully. These are bigger than Jimy longs for sure. But I think Moki are the longest.

[@kindredlebel9175]

Beautiful set

[@SadisticPicker]

Steves lockpicking sent me!

[@sandman_locksport]

Thanks for watching!

[@Dmaclocksport]

Great review. Lawlock have been my favourite picks for years 😎👍🏻

[@sandman_locksport]

Thanks for watching DMAC, for some reason I wasn’t subscribed to you. I don’t know what happened. But I resubscribed. Thank you for watching.

[@r.mattlemaster4524]

When I get my green belt, this will by my reward to myself! Awesome review. Thanks!! Really been wondering about this set and happy you did such a thorough job here 👊🏽

[@sandman_locksport]

Thank you

[@Downfal1]

Another great review. Now I’m going to have to explain another credit card charge to the wife thanks. 😊

[@sandman_locksport]

Just tell her it’s all going towards her Christmas present 🎁! That’s what I do!

[@mikefeddersen2476]

Sandman, new follower here. Interesting experience tonight, I haven't picked in awhile. Just got a Sparrows Tuxedo set in the mail. I had a truck stop RoadPro lock that opened so easy. I think I could open with a zip tie. Anyway I found a new Master lock security level 8 on the shelf. I tried picking it, nothing worked. I'm so ashamed, I broke down and removed the key... The key won't even unlock this thing. I'm not saying my integrity has been restored, but until I get some WD-40 we will see. 😂😂😂

[@sandman_locksport]

Ha! well dont use WD40! it is a solvent first and a lubricant 2nd as you already know. it has oil that will gum up the lock and it wont pick right after that. better to only use recommended solvents if the pins are corroded like tri-flow or houdini. dont worry, i can go to a meetup and pick 50 locks in under 2 hours, and then come across a stupid easy lock that defeats me. its not me, its the lock. at least that's what i tell myself. dont be hard on yourself, they have belt levels for a reason!

[@mikefeddersen2476]

​@@sandman_locksport I was wondering why Bosnian Bill caught so much flack over his use of WD 40. 😊

[@LpD.locksport]

I was waiting for this review! Because these are the tools i have at home. And i love them. Didn't think it was tier 1. Nice review!

[@sandman_locksport]

Thanks for watching! Sometimes it’s just hard to know how good something is until you can compare it to everything else! Sometimes we don’t know how good we have it! Andy makes such great tools that few people probably realize just how good they are!

[@LpD.locksport]

@@sandman_locksport The only shame is that it costs so much to import them to the Netherlands!

[@TheLockPicker1969]

Loved the review, extremely thorough and awesome that you had that letter to share from Andy. I was an early adopter of LLT when I first started locksport (due to needing larger handles) and while LLT isn't my primary any more (mainly use Moki and Jimy Longs now), I do still use them pretty regularly. Thanks for doing this review!

[@sandman_locksport]

Thanks for watching!

[@xzio5728]

Great review! I just ordered this set and am really looking forward to getting my hands on them!

[@PickSmith122]

I have been a huge fan of LLT for a long time now. Love the various profiles and that you only get a few rakes in each set. Not the almost half like others. And the steel is the only one I will use for making custom picks now. FYI the TOK pry bars just bend them yourself. The steel is so good you can just put them in a vise and put that bend where you want it. It can be cold worked for up to a 90 degree bend. Go slow and pulse if you’re going that far. But to make any ergo bends under 45 just do it. ✌🏻🌶

[@sandman_locksport]

Thank you, that sounds like great advice. I know custom pick maker Ratyoke uses LLT steel blanks for his pick designs, so you know they are top notch quality steel. I have always bent my SS420 peterson pry bars to my liking, but I have never bent any 301 steel, good to know they will take a bend! Thanks for stopping by and watching!

[@StanWray]

Thanks , Sandman ; I just ordered the 4 piece pry bar set . Looking forward to the Hooligan bar with great anticipation .

[@sandman_locksport]

Good choice!

[@JBesq]

Going to wait. But the look great. Just need more locks!

[@sandman_locksport]

Locks are more important if you already have a decent set of tools.

[@eafwilluminati]

These are great picks! The turning tools are great although not best in class but the picks don't compare to the multipick profiles.

[@LockSpaz]

With the Law Lock hooks, which look to be built as solid as tanks (I love the height/width of those handles), you can't help but notice the handles are asymmetrical, and taking into consideration the fact that they're UK based and every picture on their website shows the hooks pointed down, as European locks typically place the bible under the plug, not above it, it seems they are primarily designed to be held with hook pointing down, albeit a minor difference. Hows the feel compared to holding them 'upside down' ?

[@sandman_locksport]

I get what your saying, but i feel they are even more comfortable while holding them for western style pin tumbler locks with the pin stack on top, than if it were on the bottom for euro profile cylinders. it feels like your hand cradles the pick perfectly in my opinion. i feel they are very comfortable. i neve pick locks with the pin stack on the bottom, unless its in the field and in that case i just rake it.

[@ieyasumcbob]

An LLT Valyrian Euro kit was my first real "I'm into this now" kit, and are still my go tos. I loved them and got the pros pretty and expansions pretty soon after. I'm 15 mins in and loving the review

[@sandman_locksport]

Dude, the Valyrian is my next kit I want to get! I bought this one because it was the biggest and most complete, but LLT has so many cool tools and options and at lower prices than this one. I'm so glad I bought this one, but he has other tools I will be spending the next year collecting for sure! Thanks for watching!

[@ieyasumcbob]

For collecting I'd go with the Ronin. Just gorgeous. The Valyrians have the same profiles (more or less), but the handles flex a lot more, and bite into my fingertips a little more. I found it really good in terms of feedback and meant i never put too much pressure on my picks. But when it came to the long picking sessions required for me to crack one or two of my crunchy Paclocks i finally put some shrink wrap on my two favorite profiles. Have you found a good way of getting the bent turning tools in a case?

[@sandman_locksport]

@@ieyasumcbob these bent ones fit perfectly in the middle of this pick case. However ergo turning tools just are not meant for that. Best for using at him and storing on the desk. But rumor is CI is going to offer ergo turning tools that are not double ended, but single ended so that they will fit in a case. Time will tell. Buy all the turning tools!

[@ieyasumcbob]

@@sandman_locksport 🤣 😂 🤣 yup, i use more turning tools than i do picks in my day to day

[@sandman_locksport]

@@ieyasumcbobthis is the way.

[@Loose-Shirt6551]

Your killing it man! Excellent review! I have the Ridgeback Set with non-pro handles and there to flexible for me to use. Have you heard of anybody making scales for those?

[@sandman_locksport]

Yes, look at bare bone website. They have some! Thanks for watching!

[@pieincLockPicking88]

Another great review Sandman. I’ll definitely have to look into these in the future. I actually just ended up ordering a couple sets of Jimmy longs that I should have in the next few days. I never even heard of them until I came across your review on Jimmy longs. Anyway Im Going to try out the flat hooks for the first time. I’ve always used rounded hooks but have seen other people such as lady locks saying flat hooks is where it’s at lol

[@sandman_locksport]

i use flat hooks a lot! i prefer gem style half diamonds, but few people make them. only peterson and bare bones and now law lock tools. jimy has one gem style hook/half diamond but its just in .019 and .023. the .019 is my GO-TO, and i use it 90% of the time, but... when im on a paracentric keyway, and i cant get a .019 gem hook in, i use a flat hook in .015" thick. that is where flat hooks shine, in highly paracentric keyways, even in larger thicknesses like the .019" you got from jimy. they just fit in smaller spaces that a taller hook cannot, but, you lose sensitivity in the lock, as a flat hook has more surface are to make contact with the pin, so... it is hard to know which pin you are on, using the flat hook, and my guess is, that is why you love using round hooks, you love knowing exactly which pin you are on, you can feel a pin with a rounded hook, but you cant feel a pin as well with a flat hook. thats the trade off. flat hooks fit into more keyways, but at a cost. less feel, and harder to set high/low pins, but the jimy set has deep flat hooks to solve that. you cant go wrong with jimy longs ever. let me know how you like them!

[@pieincLockPicking88]

So I did want to keep you posted. I finally got my flat hooks and I definitely love them. I still think I’m going to preferred rounded hooks though just because I’m so used to using them either way I just ordered two of every set Jimy has lol. I’m still a little heavy handed so occasionally I will break something, but it’s really rare now, but I’ll have a back up set for every pick. Next up, I’ll start looking into Law lock tools, Or Peterson. Because as much as I do love using the tools I have, I really do enjoy collecting them too.

[@sandman_locksport]

@@pieincLockPicking88 that’s great, and I knew you would prefer the rounded hooks over the flat ones previous experience. That’s why it’s hard to recommend two people. They really need to know. I only use flat hooks in Paracentric keyways. Keep an eye out for Covert Instruments. They are going to start producing Lock that will be competitive against Peterson. Also, bare bones, Lock pics are essentially upgraded versions of Peterson. Peterson is no longer worth the money compared to everything else on the market. Peterson is the most expensive, but it is not the best.

[@pieincLockPicking88]

@@sandman_locksport that’s awesome. I’ll definitely keep an eye out for those. I already love covert instruments anyway. And I’m definitely not looking to get every Peterson set, but I do want to have a small set just to be able to own a little bit of lock picking history. And as you said in your Petersen review, the company might not be around forever.

[@sandman_locksport]

@@pieincLockPicking88 check out their mayor set, and their ghost set, they have 35 "pick groupings" and 35+ "sets" lol. its rediculous, but their ghost and mayor set are popular. and add some christina palmer wave rakes in .025" plastic handles (the black ones) to whatever you get, and the .030 TOK prybar to whatever set you get, and youll have a good set. im pretty sure none of his sets have all 3 TOK pry bars, i think they only have the .040 and .050 TOK bars. his cases are nice tool. but the ghost and the mayor should come with a case.

[@GpotterBMX]

Great F’n review! You know, I’ve been eyeing a set of his right handed angled pry bar sets (£35) but after watching this I think I might add the EDC Pro Set. For £60 it’s a pretty stacked set and this better fits my budget. To be continued… P.S. I dig that red background. It makes it very clean and, to the best of my knowledge, it’s original. I’m all about originality.

[@sandman_locksport]

ha! thanks for the compliments on the background. it is my "motif" of sorts lol. it makes my videos easy to spot and it draws you in like a lottery machine or a mcdonalds sign! haha. naw, i just wanted something consistent and clean in my videos. ill use an orange one for my bare bones halloween review, but will go back to red after that. I havnt decided if i will buy the Valeryan, the Ronin, or the Ridgeback set for my next LLT set. I want them all! I have all of the bare bones, jimy longs, and moki picks, so now I will be chasing ALL of the Law Lock Tools this fall and next spring. I should have mentioned in the review they have different styles handles but oh well. it was pretty in depth as it is. i love the turning tools from LLT too. the quality in everything is just 🤌perfect! thanks for watching. i know it was a long one!

[@GpotterBMX]

@@sandman_locksport it was a bit long but it went by fast. I’m eager to try those larger handles on the LLT. I’m not much of a rake person and the EDC set is rake free. Rake free is the set for me! lol. Goodnight

[@GpotterBMX]

On a side note before I forget, Andrew Law gave me a 10% discount code a little while back because he’s fucking rad.

[@sandman_locksport]

@@GpotterBMX must be nice to have friends lol. Nobody gives me a discount code lol. 😂

[@RandomJim42]

I polished them up a bit myself and removed those burrs so it’s fine, just a bit disappointing for this price point. Thanks for the tip anyway I appreciate it. Groetjes from the Netherlands

[@WyteLox]

LMAO i feel you on the errr i live in Pennsylvania send me some 😂

[@sandman_locksport]

You wish! Thanks for watching!

[@newsthatdoesntsuck840]

You said heirloom, pass down to our kids. I had a picture in my head about a bristled cop (played by Will Smith), in the future. He found a door that his AI companion couldn’t open and he grinds down some tools and picks the lock.

[@sandman_locksport]

Sounds like a blockbuster (or in this case a lockbuster) if I've ever heard one! Netflix will make anything, you pitch it, I'll narrate it, Will Smith can star in it!

[@weatherman68]

The only thing Will Smith grinds is.....actually, I'd better not say. 😂😂😂

[@Mofo78786]

Awesome!!! This is the review I've been looking for!!!😊 Try too decide between Law lock and Bare Bones!!!🤔Any advice anyone?

[@Curlee187]

Just call me Compulsive Tim. First Jimmy, now Law Lock.

[@sandman_locksport]

Ha! Don’t forget to buy some Moki and the multipick turning tool set 3 to round everything out!

[@Curlee187]

@sandman_locksport You shut your dirty marine mouth! Trying to make me go broke! (Probably after next months VA check rolls in)

[@Curlee187]

@@sandman_locksport And I still need some of them fancy wood handles first.

[@JBMods]

Hey I love your videos. They have helped a lot. I had a question so I purchased a sparrow tuxedo night edition, and to be honest I did not like it, they felt weird and I couldn’t feel much with the handles. And I am currently using the Covert Instruments Genesis set and I like it but I am looking to get a better set. Im willing to spend between $100-$175 for a new pick set and I am also a beginner but I also have all the tension tools from Covert Instruments. I have been wondering what would you recommend? I was looking at the GSP Ghost Pick Set, or Jimmy Longs, or Law-lock Tools. Which do you recommend? Im looking to spend a good amount for good tools that will be good and have good feedback. I would really appreciate any help on the tools. There are so many that Im not sure which ones are the best to get

[@sandman_locksport]

Since you are currently invested into Covert Instruments, and you have all of their turning tools, and you have their genesis set, if you just wait 30 days, they are going to come out with more tools with different sizes and profiles. Also, a little birdie told me that they are going to come out with advanced Lock picks. Meaning they will have even more profiles and sizes and with injection molded handles sometime around January or early spring. My favorite picks in the world are Jimy Longs. And they are tier one and the most affordable currently on the market since they don’t come with a case or turning tools. if you are looking to get advanced in your profiles, meaning more options in your Lock pick designs... I would look at Jimy Longs as well. Specifically his .019” thick picks. I think the coveret instruments intermediate set is going to be amazing, but I don’t think it’s going to compete with jimy longs still. However, the Lock picks covert instruments will produce next spring I think will be among the best on the market, but we are six months from that. So time will tell. Either stick with covert instruments which is a solid choice as they are growing and your collection will grow and get better with them, or make a lateral move over to Jimy Longs. I collect both. So it’s kind of subjective and will just be up to you. Both are great companies. Both are producing really great product.

[@JBMods]

Thank you 🙏 Ok Ill definitely check the jimy longs out and the intermediate set comes out in a month?👀 for the Jimy Longs should I order all 5 of the sets if I were to want to order those?

[@sandman_locksport]

@@JBMods I’m a collector so I own all 5 sets. It I only use 2 picks. It’s up to you. Ask your self if you prefer to use flat hooks, round hooks, or diamonds. There’s nothing wrong with buying everything, but you won’t use everything. Just buy what you need for now. Only you can decide that.

[@billystroup1153]

What's up

[@sandman_locksport]

Nothin, what's up with you?!

[@billystroup1153]

I got a set of Jimmy Long's off your recommendation. I like them a lot, so thank you. But that also brought up an idea for video. Maybe you can explain the difference between flat and round. And different locks / situations to use them. Again, awesome video, as always. Keep it up, brother.

[@jbcdu87]

Assuming they mean Bijou as in the french word for "Jewel", as in "Bee-joo" :P ~A french guy

[@sandman_locksport]

Ha! Maybe!

[@RandomJim42]

Hi Sand Man , I like your vids but just wanted to say I bought the smaller set and a 3 piece set. Maybe they are still tier 1 but the quality control on all of them was really really bad . The front bits are still very rough around the edges and didn’t seem tumbled at all,and almost all picks had some really nasty burrs( or whatever it’s called in English ) sticking out of the spot welds , if I wouldn’t have removed them myself I would definitely have cut myself picking. Also the totk tensioners weren’t even bend close to 90 degrees at all. I wouldn’t have anything leaving a shop like that even if someone wanted it for free . ✌🏻

[@sandman_locksport]

Thanks for letting me know. Have you tried reaching out to the company about these complaints? I’ve talked to the owner several times, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was willing to work with you and maybe replace the tools that don’t meet your expectations. Give it a try. You can reach him through email, Facebook, and Instagram.

[@weatherman68]

I hope you know that when you diss Peterson tools, you are actually dissing me 😢. He stole all his pick designs and turning tools, especially the TOK bars from me. 😂😂

[@sandman_locksport]

There are no thieves in Locksport, everybody’s just trying to get their shit back!

[@weatherman68]

@sandman_locksport 💯 , No dishonest steal/ing necessary. Just good honest steel should suffice. 🔒 📐 🗜 🪄 🔓 .

[@3v3ryd4yw1nn1n6]

Came to watch a review and ended up hearing you read a novel for 30 minutes

[@sandman_locksport]

@@3v3ryd4yw1nn1n6 glad you enjoyed it!