32GB Synology DS220+ NAS Unofficial Memory Upgrade Part II

[@ruudwilschut9095]

Thanks to your video I've ordered a DS220+ with a Crucial CT16G4SFD8266 SODIMM which arrived today. After the first initial startup and installing DSM, temporary on an old 128GB SATA SSD which was lying around here, everything was looking good. Then I've inserted the 16GB SODIMM which was immediately recognized. Now the Resource Monitor shows 18GB RAM. I'm currently performing a memory test via Synology Assistant. If everything is going well, I'll shuck my two WD Elements 12TB external disks from their housing if the extended tests completed successfully tomorrow. The two WD Elements 12TB housings contain a WD120EDBZ 12TB disk I have purchased with a nice discount. Thanks for this very informative video!

[@Jose_Angel_Quintero]

The DS1817 officially supports 8gb or ram. I’ve been using 16gb I got out of an iMac in my box since deploying the unit about 2 years ago and have never even had so much as a hint of an issue.

[@BikeHelmetMk2]

So short answer - 16GB RAM upgrade MAX, 1GB per chip on the DIMM. (Get a dual sided 8 chips per side DIMM - DDR4 2666) 32GB RAM (2GB per chip) won't POST.

[@nijian99]

I have a D218+ and considering to buy a D220+ to build a backup. I would definitely skip Synology if its new NAS products only accept 'Synology' memory!

[@MyOtherNick]

With regards to the lines being stuck in the memory resource monitoring screen, I have that as well with the original config of the 220+. I tested it with another browser, because by default I use Brave (Chrome) which had the vertical lines in the graph. Using Firefox, there was no way I could reproduce that. That would lead to the conclusion that the lines are browser specific, or the way the browser interprets the front-end, and not due to the use of unofficial memory..

[@spokje]

This. I was eating my nails watching this. This probably has NOTHING to do with the memory itself.

[@Infesteringmole]

we use all crucial RAM in our 7+ Synology units at work. never a single issue. one of our offices in Japan as a 16GB Crucial stick in a 220+ and its working fine

[@atpdark]

in a 220+ "I think" is better to use 2 DIMM of same capacity... 2X4GB or 2X8GB, if you buy a paired dimms/sodimm is better than buy a separated dimms, they was manufactered to work togheter. Some one test 2 dimms same capacity??

[@Fa8io]

Accordingly to this, ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/197307/intel-celeron-processor-j4025-4m-cache-up-to-2-90-ghz.html, I think the limit is Intel and not DSM. Seems that J4025 support up to 8MB (4 per channel?) So may we ask to Intel?

[@MegaNerevar]

@@Fa8io Thats false, a reddit user asked intel directly and they said its what they tested to work. It can actually accomodate more (as its a 64 bit cpu).

[@augurseer]

Not redundant mate. You are good. :)

[@HenryBiglin]

I have a single 32GB sodimm running on a DS1819+ for over 6 months. Only issue is VMM does not recognize it otherwise docker can use it without issue.

[@BikeHelmetMk2]

That's not using a J based Celeron. It's got a server grade processor that supports 256GB max. ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/97929/intel-atom-processor-c3538-8m-cache-up-to-2-10-ghz.html

[@RichardBuckerCodes]

I think if synology thinks it's a good thing to disable the device with non-OEM RAM they will lose the marketshare. OwnCloud and NextCloud and FreeNAS will eventually clean their clocks. The DSM package is nice but not the only one.

[@xeress]

How about matching the sticks with just crucial memory

[@sp8cecloud814]

ATTENTION! The Lines are an error of Chrome/Webbrowser - Try another one and the lines will dissapear! @NASCompares

[@Aleziss]

I did upgrade my DS216+II with a 4GB Hynix DDR3L SODIMM and it did work WONDERFULLY, a LOT more responsive than with the 1GB it came with, apps open quickly and I never got any issue during the warranty time and after. I know I ruined the warranty as first, I needed to break a aluminum seal in the DS216+II and second, I once requested help from synology during warranty period and they would not provide any help when they saw I was running 4GB of RAM. It was a 349$ guess that in my case, paid off just for the awesome difference in performance and responsiveness of the 216+II. Still to this day, absolutely no issue, works as fast as when it was new.

[@Vylkeer]

I just ordered a DS220+, my first NAS ever and I'm very excited for it. What I'm still trying to understand is, how crucial are RAM and caching in a NAS for home use, mostly used by 1 - 2 users? This model does not support SSD expansions for cache, does it mean it doesn't have cache at all or that it's limited to the internal one? Does it make a big difference to have cache in a NAS? I'd also like to upgrade the RAM from the standard 2GB to 6GB, the max it officially supports. Since the expansion module is like over $100, how worth is it in the case I described? Btw your channel contributed a lot in my final decision to get this NAS!

[@koljaschwering5592]

Use "Crucial RAM CT4G4SFS6266 4GB DDR4 2666 MHz CL19". It works with DS220+ and costs only about €22,-

[@Fa8io]

Why you did not compare also the original Synology 4 gyg vs Crucial (or other) 4 gyg module?

[@barcley00]

whats a gyg?

[@Fa8io]

@@barcley00 sorry, I mean gigabyte

[@Razor2048]

Have you done a teardown, Some NAS makers will have a 2nd memory slot rather than having the DRAM soldered to the motherboard? One issue that you may be having is issues with memory ranks, e.g., if the memory controller only supports 2 ranks per channel, then if the NAS is using a single channel config and the internal memory stick is a single rank 2GB module, and you install a separate dual rank memory module, then you will have memory instability. Another issue is that you cannot manually adjust memory timings and voltages, and thus any memory you install will have to be stable at the voltage and timings of the internal memory stick. Thus if it is a 1.2V kit 2GB kit preinstalled, and you install a kit that needs 1.35V then it will be unstable. The NAS will also not read XMP profiles Overall for complete stability, anything that will run at the base jdec spec at the will be fine as long as it does not run into memory rank issues.

[@leexgx]

Yep the internal ram is behind the plastic cover but on this Synology you have to dismantle it to get to the 2gb stick (it's not soldered on) on the older Synologys ddr3 versions there was no plastic cover both slots was visible and easy to change both once you removed the hdd caddy's (seems like if it can take a 16gb module so it should take 2x16gb if it booted with 2+16gb setup) 32gb dimms are not generally compatible with a lot of systems,, even some modern laptops have a tendency of been picky with 32gb dimms and most ram controllers only play nice with 2x16gb overall (generally ddr3 older ones are super picky or flat out don't work usually, ddr4 should be able to take 2x32gb but may it's bit more hit or less miss with ddr4 as ddr4 ram controllers officially support 2x32gb but depends if the bios does or not)

[@johnbeaudette583]

Do you happen to have this type of video only on an Asustor maybe the 6404 ? I have not seen a ram upgrade video for an Asustor yet and would like to at least watch one before doing it. Cheers

[@confessionsofatechnofile8831]

You sure know your stuff about NAS units. Saved me worlds of research and headaches when looking into getting my first NAS (Synology 2419+, which will arrive soon). I generally know my way around computers and the like, but when it comes to NAS, I still have much to learn. One question I did have was, do these units come with any type of reset button? I know when I've mucked around with my router settings too much, there's a "save me" button (reset) on the back. Watching the issues this unit is having made me ask myself, and now you, is there any recourse for trying to get rid of those weird graphical issues? Thanks for all the wonderful information and being brave enough to boldly go where no one should go anymore.

[@SilverPanos]

Unfortunately I made the mistake of buying the 220j, can I replace the RAM on that one or am I stuck with the puny 512mb?

[@C00ltronix]

No! You are officially stuck. You should be able to sell it for a good price though.

[@BikeHelmetMk2]

You are stuck. It has a more basic feature set. It's an incredible NAS... compared to most released 5 years ago... and is very good value today, if you don't need BTRFS and whatnot.

[@nijian99]

About your advice "MAKE SURE to check that the memory module (especially 16 and 32GB SODIMM modules) are DUAL RANK or ‘DR‘", since most 4GB/8GB memory modules are available only in SR, do they have trouble with DS220+/920+ series? BTW, I watch your channel often and very much appreciate your work!

[@rfrancoi]

Great video Sir.

[@DB2_Oracle]

Great video as usual. One short question - The Synology J series which comes with Realtek 1.4GHz Processor, does they have any impact on RAID Rebuilding process? I am looking to buy DS220J as it is really cheap.

[@okanerdem]

If i want to use 2-3 vm, which is better, 720+ or 220+ ?

[@dkfortune]

can u tell me which 16gbram to buy for ds224+

[@victorbalta1402]

I have a DS218+ and have thought about upgrading the ram, but what benefits would I see to the core synology apps Drive, Moments, etc I’m not running any VMs

[@DickImpens]

Seen both video's and they are spot-on for me. But I miss the part where you use the official memory and look at the activity monitor glitches. I want to install Virtual Machine with CentOS7 to be able to run FileMaker Server 19 on the DS220+, FM Server recommends 8GB of Ram, in a test (on a Dell Optiplex 745 with 2GB Ram) it will run reasonable, but would like to come closer. Running Virtual Machine will also take some resources I guess.

[@TheBillsax]

The official 16g memory is out. If I use that one, my warranty will be kept right?

[@aliuddin5802]

wait. even with the default 2GB ram you STILL have those vertical weird lines. So upgrading to that 18GB RAM wasnt any issues at all. Are you sponsored by Synology?

[@nascompares]

Cheers for your Q. Not sponsored and never have been. I get demo/sample units upon request (ALOT of requesting lol) but that's about it. Full creative control, no suggested edits and all my own opinions

[@kolinskim]

Can you run test with only 4GB or max 8GB from crucial

[@sitte24]

There is no point in testing this, it will work fine

[@sowdog]

Have you checked the intel ark site for the DS220+ cpu? Will it support more than the recommended amount from intel? ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/95591/intel-pentium-processor-j4205-2m-cache-up-to-2-6-ghz.html

[@Aleziss]

True, it states Max Memory Size (dependent on memory type) 8 GB of Memory Types DDR3L/LPDDR3 up to 1866 MT/s; LPDDR4 up to 2400 MT/s so I guess this is why it never booted up...

[@ronnierush9379]

WRONG: you have linked the J4205 >> If you are talking about The DS220+ it uses a the Intel Celeron J4025 2-core with 2.0 GHz, and bursts up to 2.9 GHz and memory is DDR4. But it only supports up to 8GB ram on the "Graphics Video Memory" side of the CPU, go figure out what that means :-)

[@MrBca009]

Why not 16x2

[@00wheelie00]

The memory it comes with is soldered on the mainboard, there is only one DIMM slot.

[@djtyros]

See.... that red line graph happened when no memory card installed... sad times

[@tombouie]

Thks, oh again that's not a sea gull @6:43. It's Eddie with his bad mic ;).

[@atpdark]

Why aren't you trying removing the 2GB DIMM and putting 2 X4GB on?I find it easier if 2 DIMMs of the same brand and model are used .. so they can work together. Who test it? please put it here!

[@BikeHelmetMk2]

It's soldered to the motherboard.

[@deepmystic5850]

I am currently on the journey of researching NAS enclosures So many things to learn and research it's driving me mad. Heard the older versions of these had power issues with the atom proccesors and the usual HDD Red drives had an issue with the type of drive thru are are ie SRM Vs CRM I just want a decent and reliable NAS DIY myself? Then need to find a low powered and decent processor plus the rest

[@xizar0rg]

I did a lot of looking around myself and decided to go with the 418play (2-core Intel processor) with Ironwolf drives (unlike WD Reds, all ironwolves are CMR). I was fortunate enough (due to amazon fucking up my order) to get a 918+ (4-core Intel processor) for only a little more and I'm fairly content with it. I've got a minecraft server (accessible from the Internet) on it as well as a bunch of music and movies. I've only had it a few days, though, so maybe everything dies later, but for now, it's fine.

[@sgress960]

you can try a virtual machine windows 10 with ds 220+ and 720+?

[@sgress960]

the dual channe is supported by ds ds220+ and older model with asimmetric ram capacity? for example: 2+4gb is dual channel configuration?

[@simmonslucas]

According to Intel the CPU will only access 8 GB of Memory, so having more than that doesn't improve performance.

[@darknessviking]

in what world do you need 32 gb memory

[@xizar0rg]

No matter how much memory you throw at a computer, someone, somewhere, will find a use for it.

[@augurseer]

Tons of mini VMs and docker images.

[@thomasritz855]

CAN YOU try to upgrade the factory 2gb to the Synology approved 4gb ram AND another 4gb synology ram in the upgrade slot? 6gb max just seems whacky. Also, using their official ram in both slots for a total of 8gb will that void warranty? It is their ram. Thanks.

[@darylcheshire1618]

I thought the seagull added to the poignancy of the moment.

[@MrJKirby]

Take the Timetec 16gig off the list. It doesn’t work. Blue flashing light for over 10hrs.

[@kewitt1]

I really hope with Synology 7 they fix this issue.

[@SayWhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat]

THose who interested 4GB of CRUCIAL RAM CT4G4SFS8266 , CRUCIAL 8GB CT8G4SFRA266, Samsung 8GB DDR4 CL19 M471A1K43CB1-CTD. But there is NO reason to go beyong 8GB of TOTAL ram. CPU CANT use more then 8.

[@Avdarmaly]

where is the info from that 8 is max?