339: What I ACTUALLY think of the 270 WSM

[@PassivePortfolios]

The 270 WSM is a round that should have caught on but did not. Well designed and does everything expected.

[@adsaccuracy]

I use the 270 WSM here in the UK and love it. Driving a 110 barns ttsx at 3520 fps, 1/4 inch groups at a hundred and like a laser out to 500.

[@Savoy_6]

How is that recoil compared to the old 270 win in same weight rifle? I’m old and have had two shoulder surgeries. Recoil is an issue for me now.

[@adsaccuracy]

@@Savoy_6 With a moderator on it is not bad at all, but with out it does kick quite a bit. You will love that round, trust me.

[@richardmason9097]

That's a combination that not many people would go for . Freaking wicked velocity. 257 Weatherby style.

[@walkercustoms]

Missed the stream tonight, we lost or dog Maggie this morning. She was a family dog and also training to be a great upland hunter. She wasn't a year old yet even but was amazing at everything especially bonding with our autistic son. We miss her so much. Such a wonderful dog. There may be a silver lining in losing her, one of her female siblings was never adopted yet. Even though it's too soon right now we are thinking giving her sister a loving family like Mags had, would be good for us and our beloved dogs sister. We'll see how the future turns out. Thank you for any prayers and thoughts from anyone that reads this. Always Forward..

[@pepepepito623]

A prayer?no need: All dogs go to heaven...

[@chadblodgett8634]

My condolences, Sorry for your loss. I wish you would have been blessed with more time, but I hope the time you had will always be cherished.

[@Vikingocazar]

I’m sorry to hear of your loss 💔❤️‍🩹. Our dogs are family ❤️.

[@jeffstephens4163]

Sorry for your loss.

[@allthingsconsidered3211]

Sending ❤ and condolences.

[@dthayer1045]

Absolutely love your videos. Great information and it's like I'm having a conversation with a friend

[@orr89rocz]

270 wsm absolutely shines in sub 400 yard hunting where bc doesn’t really matter as much. Especially for deer with 130 gr at 3275 fps. Shoot 2” high at 100 its 2” low at 300 and 6” low at 350. More than acceptable for deer hunting fields

[@jackdundon2261]

My 270 WSM LOVES 130 grain Nosler Partition, MAX loads of IMR 4350 (slight, primer flattening). But SUB MOA (Browning A bolt medallion).

[@shootingatshadow]

Nosler E-tips have worked well for me out of 7mm-08rem and 7mm rem mag. Great accuracy and great terminal performance.

[@jasonkilgore1977]

I’m with you and hard rock I like being out there in the mystery of the unknown. I also find it slightly upsetting when I’m at a nice hunting spot and I look over and I see someone’s camera stuck to the tree.

[@MrTacklebury]

+1 on the mystery. I remember when I was 14 and just starting to hunt. I tracked and chased a 10 point "black" swamp buck around for almost 4 years. I kept waiting for him, because he was the best deer I'd seen. He was a 14 point when the neighbor finally got him, but it was quite a chase. ;)

[@jaydunbar7538]

I like my trail cams, helps me keep an eye on the health of the herd and supplement feed during the winter if any of them start getting skinny. But then again I’m not a trophy hunter, I’ll take a 2yr old doe over a big buck every time. Healthy deer survive better, and they tend to keep twins better.

[@jw3946]

Your 777 shot with a 6.8 Western was a great long range you made.

[@andystampfli9127]

For deer a good pocket knife is all i use to dress the deer. 2-3" blade sharp enough to shave. The biggest reason is i like to be able to place my finger on the blade to know where the tip is because i do not split the ribs so i have to blindly reach in with both hands to dress out the heart and lungs.

[@robertsebacher44]

Ron I have only used this on an industrial level, but I remember reading about it in some shooting magazines years ago. If you really want something clean, you can use an ultrasonic cleaner with an appropriate solvent. They were rather expensive so the articles mentioned that this was a good buy for hunting clubs so the price could be reasonable per person or use. Another problem was that wood stocks, scopes, etc. would have to be removed prior to cleaning.

[@geothunder1971]

Looks like I'm late to the party here, but there's been a few hand loader vids uploaded on KZbin lately guys loading 165 grain and 170 grain 270 WSM and they're getting the bullet to stabilize in 1:10 ratio barrels that came with the gun they are outperforming the 6.8 western across the board in the same bullet weights. Winchester really dropped the ball on this one trying to market a new round and guns for it that we don't need!

[@Lucifar66]

Regards to the BLR, I mysel shot a verticly stacked Mdel 95 Winchester it is an original "Flat side" in 38-72 My father knocked downa odiak with it back in the 50's, I myself started hunting with it back in the late 70's and have killed Deer and coyotes with it, I have oped for years to win the lottery to geta lack Bear hunt with it, Alas anymore handloads or exspensive custom am is all that is available for it, butanyway I was just correcting you on the stetment that brownig is the only ne that has ever had a vertically stacked Lever gun

[@nvojc8617]

Ron- your description of the mystery of the “unknowns” in the hunting landscape and animals resonated so much with me. Whether it was fishing or hunting, that was, and is, a huge draw for me. Merry Christmas!

[@josephtutela1066]

Hi Ron Thanks for all your videos. I've hunted with buckshot and slugs for many MANY years. It was always a challenge especially years ago before enhanced buffered buckshot and open choke barrels to find a gun that would pattern buckshot well.. Once you have a decent patterning gun/load combo, (8 of 12 double 0 in an 9 inch pie plate at 40-50 yds) it was a MOST effective deer load AT 50-60 YARDS!! it s not a 100 yard solution!!. It would often kill better than that slug. The slug would pass through the deer and waste a lot of energy, while the buckshot with multiple wounds would expend its energy inside the animal. At 50 yds most pellets wound up under the hide on the far side which is considered perfect BULLET performance...Just my experience for what its worth. OBTW I switched to slugs for one season many years ago and quickly switched back for the performance as did many of my uncles (partners/mentors) Thanks again and regards...

[@mwp597]

BLR is a grate shooting lever action. I had one in 7mm Mag that i sold to buy an X-bolt, not sorry i did that. And i have BLR 81 Lighting in .284 win. Both shoot fantastic.

[@Dad_Stuff2004]

During HRon's question, you mentioned "exit pupil"... this is a very important parameter in scopes. The reason for this is that the human eye's pupil can vary from 2mm to 8mm, with 4mm to 7mm being common. So, choose your exit pupil based on your application. Example: Lets say you determine you need 6x magnification for a

[@weinerdog137]

Underrated. Never got traction. Great NA . Goats to Elk.

[@jfess1911]

I agree. I think that the problems was that too many similar cartridges were launched too close together. 270 WSM, 7mm WSM, 7mm RSAUM competing with the 300 WSM and 300 RSAUM. None of them really stood out from the other. The 300 WSM seems to be the only one holding on.

[@Paul-q3m7k]

I own a blr chambered in 325 wsm. It shoots 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards shooting 200 grain barns tsx . I’ll take this over a 45/70 for bear defence and regular hunting any day or the week . These rifles are the best of both worlds . Lever gun speed with high power cartridges that hit hard close up and can reach out to ethical hunting distances . For me that’s 400 yards

[@jfess1911]

The 325 WSM, 338 RCM and even the 338 Federal really come into their own in Big Bear country.

[@TonyYork-KB9RAO]

Great tip of the week, I learned that one the hard way....

[@jeffriedel2587]

Do you recall a time when you opened your Christmas present on Christmas and the joy of not knowing what was inside - thats hunting

[@jfess1911]

Ron is right about the 10mm case. The rim and cartridge base is ever so slightly larger than the 30 Rem. The differences are so small that it seems odd that they would take the trouble unless there is something special about the case construction. The rim of the 10mm is .425" vs .422 for the 30 Rem. The max case diameter is .425" for the 10mm vs .4207 for the 30 Rem.

[@richki.24]

Yay for Ron !!!!!

[@mikeyantis8067]

Have a good stock 300 wsm. Have developed a crack in the wood at the end of forearm going back towards the receiver 4 or 5 inches. What adhesive do you recommend and way to keep stock sound?

[@jetdr]

Been using a 270 WSM in a browning A Bolt for 20 years, never had a deer walk away with a single shot, 130 gr accubond for white tail, 140 grain A frame for elk. under 400 yards it can hang with anything. I do need a better scope, been using a BSA cheap scope, I need to step that up to a Leupold vx5

[@dimensionsofearth]

Ron, its like you are psychic! I was just thinking, man I wonder what the story is about those bullet holes in the 100k subcriber plate? Thinking I'm going to have to dig on the channel and viola! When you told the story and mentioned the video, which I'm going to find now

[@glockparaastra]

Use Isso Bore cleaning paste with their nylon brushes. Also, Bore Tech's range of solvents works great.

[@JohnAngle-vw8yq]

While your at it I’d like to hear what you have to say about the 300WSM

[@Paul-q3m7k]

He does a breakdown of the 300wsm vs 300 win mag . That wsm is a great cartridge

[@johnnash5118]

I carry light kitchen trash bags for the liver, heart and muscle groups cut out; they’re also great as a sleeve over the arm going into the bloody chest cavity to sever the windpipe and arteries and to pull out the lungs and lower organs.

[@bustabass9025]

I agree. If I never kill another big game animal, I will never go someplace to hunt where some guy can tell me, "you can't shoot that one. That's Bucky. He's got a couple more years yet. You can shoot any of the management bucks, but nothing eight points or better unless you want to pay the $1,000 trophy fee, blah...blah...blah." To hell with that nonsense!

[@leskrug9266]

I just went to the copper bars TTSX in my 708 140 grain took one deer with it so far and had three quarter inch hole going in and 2-in hole coming out and not much meat damage. Getting 3/4" groups at 2825 fps with CFE powder.

[@pepepepito623]

Ha!that 3" group in the Y.T plaque.

[@troy9477]

The lore i always heard about the 10 mm is that Whit Collins and whoever else (Irv Stone maybe?) used cut off 30 Rem cases in their experiments when they were designing and testing the cartridge. I guess they wanted rifle brass strength, knowing it would be a high pressure round. I know Jeff Cooper suggested the ballistics and probably the bore diameter. Not sure if he was hands on in the development process. Norma finalized it and of course manufactured the early ammo. Very possibly some dimensions changed slightly from the experimental cases, for ease of manufacture or other reasons. But it all worked. I sure do want a 10 mm, but our choices are limited here in Kalifornia due to the onerous "safety" approval roster. Don't get me started- we all know it has nothing to do with safety. I did see a few days ago on the DOJ website that some handguns had been added to the roster as a result of a court decision. These included 2 Hellcat models, 3 P320 models, S&W Victory 22, 3 XDM 9mm models, including the compact, and a Turkish compact Hi Power cline. Assumedly they did not have mag disconnects (except maybe the Hi Power). No manufacturer is going to make a different submodel just for Kalifornia. So maybe there is hope. I hope the XDM 10mm is bext, because that is the one i want. I have a few 1911's already. Lol. Pray for us. Btw, i figured out those are pelts behind you. Lol. Coyote?

[@skajun]

Have BLR in .358 win. What do you think about the .358 win?

[@MikeHelton-f8w]

Just Learning How to ask question, Why have they never made at 3:08 Magnum?

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

User, I assume you mean .308 magnum. .308 refers to the diameter of the bullet, .308" in diameter. It is fired in a .30" diameter barrel with .04" deep grooves so the rifling grips the bullet to spin it, yet fills the grooves to seal the gas pressure. 308 also is the name of a specific centerfire cartridge, the 308 Winchester. It is essentially a shortened version of the 30-06 Springfield. There are some 22 other 30-caliber cartridges including many magnums such as 300 Win Mag., 300 H&H Mag., 308 Norma Mag, 30 Nosler, etc. Now, if your numbers refer to the time code in this video, I'm not sure what your question is.

[@ronlowney4700]

Ron, Unlike the Short/Fat Cartridges, the 30-06 Family of Cartridge Will Fit 5 Rounds in the Magazine and 1 Round in the Chamber! So, Firepower Advantage Goes to the 30-06 Family of Cartridges!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

True indeed, but I question two things: 1. What hunter (not culler) needs 6 rounds to bag his deer/elk/etc. 2. Why do we consider quantity of ammo in a magazine firePOWER instead of firevolume or quantity? To me firepower should mean bullet energy, possibly momentum, thus a 180-gr. .308 bullet at 3,200 fps would have more firepower than one at 2,800 fps. Nevertheless, give me a sub 6-pound rifle (accurate) chambered 280 AI or 270 Win. with a 130-gr. copper hollow point and I'll happily tackle any quadruped. Cheers.

[@ronlowney4700]

😇 MERRY CHRISTMAS RON! 🥳

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

And the happiest of Christmas to you, @@ronlowney4700

[@ronlowney4700]

👨‍🏫 Though It's Not Complete, Here Is a "Sufficient 0.277 Bullet List" (in 5 grain Increments) to Back Up My Claims That The 270 Caliber Has A Better "Hunting Bullet" (Bonded and Monolithic Solid) Availability Than Either the 7mm Caliber or 6.5 Caliber, With More High B.C. "Hunting Bullets" of This Construction: 1.) 80 grains (G.S. Custom) = B.C. of 0.260 2.) 85 grains (Nosler E-Tip) = B.C. of 0.273 3.) 90 grains (Speer Bonded Gold Dot) = B.C. of 0.253 4.) 95 grains (Barnes TAC-TX) = B.C. of 0.292 5.) 100 grains (Nosler E-Tip) = B.C. of 0.327 6.) 105 grains (Cavity Beck MKZ) = B.C. of 0.325 7.) 110 grains (Barnes TTSX) = B.C. of 0.377 8.) 115 grains (Speer Bonded Gold Dot) = B.C. of 0.401 9.) 120 grains (Cavity Beck MKZ) = B.C. of 0.365 10.) 125 grains (Cutting Edge) = B.C. of 0.465 11.) 130 grains (128 grain Badlands Bulldozer-2) = B.C. of 0.531 12.) 135 Grains (Lost River J-36 Bullet) = B.C. of 0.649 13.) 140 grains (Badlands Bulldozer-2) = B.C. of 0.650 14.) 145 grains (Cutting Edge) = B.C. of 0.495 15.) 150 grains (Badlands Bulldozer-2) = B.C. of 0.710 16.) 155 grains (Federal Terminal Ascent) = B.C. of 0.585 (Note: Federal Has Mistakenly Listed the 7mm Bullet of Similar Length Higher, Which Can't Be True) 17.) 160 grains = 162 grain Hammer Hunter Copper Soild = B.C. of 0.274 (Could Be Significantly Improved) 18.) 165 grains (Nosler ABLR) = B.C. of 0.620 19.) 170 grains = None Found Yet (Here is an Opportunity For Someone to Fill in the Gap) 20.) 175 grains = None Found Yet (Here is an Opportunity Someone to Fill in the Gap) 21.) 180 grain (Woodleigh Weldcore) = B.C. of 513

[@ronlowney4700]

🤠 By The Way Ron, Those Are My 2 Favorite Hunting Cartridges - 270 Winchester and 280 AI! 🤑

[@Vikingocazar]

Ron’s face when he read the tape on that little girls kill😹😹😹

[@hrdrockfarm8948]

Brother Ron, I tried really hard not to comment, but.....The only thing I have to say is don't lose any sleep or wring your hands too much over the "correct" pistol grip. Hand sizes are different. Grip strengths are different. Pistol frame sizes are different. Revolver/pistol actions are different. The "correct" grip has changed so much over the years. It changes from one agency to the next. Just find what you like and focus on being consistent. I will say pick a grip that gives you the most control too. I'm not fond of the whole grip it lightly crowd. Thanks, Good episode.

[@ianscottlewis]

Charles from PEI, where are you located? Im an Islander too. Just curious to meet other shooters.

[@brinkee7674]

For a chrono also look at the Magneto Speed but a Labr doppler is hard to bet except on price

[@allthingsconsidered3211]

Ive seen great accuracy with the e tips too

[@umbertoharo3841]

My Model 88 winchester in 284 .

[@jfess1911]

I love that combination. When I was a kid, I didn't like the Model 88 because it didn't look like the lever actions in the cowboy movies. These days, I think it is beautiful.

[@kweeks10045]

The 270 wsm reminds me of the 265 Win Mag. It's a very good cartridge that got pushed out by the next "whiz bang" cartridge. Although the 270 has the velocity, it lacks the faster twist that many long range shooters want because of the long for caliber bullets. Really, the 6.5's steamrolled most of the 270 cartridges.

[@chrisrosenthal1210]

And that's very important.... at 900 yards lol I get what you're saying, but what shooters "want" and actually need is most of the time different area codes. Probably 90% of the deer harvested in the US are under 200 yards. Why gear up with something where the performance shows up at ranges beyond the ethical energy levels of the bullet you're launching? I mean If I can calculate 230 inches of drop and 70 inches of drift, I shouldn't have a problem with 242 inches of drop and 76 inches of windage..

[@Lucysdad66]

Thanks for the advice Ron iam now switching to all copper bullets and never cleaning my guns again iam so lazy thanks agin..

[@warrengreen3217]

It still leaves the same as a lead core bullet with copper jacket so you still need to clean copper out you barrel plus the action gets dirty

[@brinkee7674]

@ron spomer the guy was asking about barrel break in and he will want to completely clean barrel per mfg for usually first 25 to 50 shots

[@brinkee7674]

If you want a good knife get a drop point or replaceable razer knife/ kit. You may want a saw also for elk

[@dukedenarie5858]

There’s triple ought buckshot that’s a .36 cal.I agree unless you’re inside a blind or a tree stand within 40 or so feet that it’s not a great idea. They should stop calling it buckshot though.

[@warrengreen3217]

The Henry long ranger is a copy of the browning BLR both are good

[@csipawpaw7921]

I think Jessie may also have been asking how to move or pack a large heavy animal back to a vehicle.

[@zackschooley5858]

Hey Ron Can you talk about the quick death of the 400 legend

[@joshuabennett7334]

You are very misunderstood about buckshot for deer hunting in the south east where you are lucky to get a 50 yard shot through brush it is very common. Everyone uses double 00 12g with a very tight choke like a extra full or turkey depending on what your gun and ammo likes. You are generally getting multiple pellets in the vitals. Your thinking process about looking at each individual pellets energy would make almost all shotgun hunting not work. Look at a #6 birdshot used for wing shooting if you take the individual pellet on paper it isn’t enough to hunt a pheasant or grouse but you hit that bird with 5 or 6 and you are deadly. Also there is buckshot bigger than 00 and very common to use for deer hunting is 000 which is 36 caliber.

[@nathanlambshead4778]

I have had new shooters tell me I grip a pistol wrong also. And quite often I outshoot them anyway, or at least as good. I grip a pistol like an old timer revolver shooter, where you do not put your weak hand thumb in front of the strong hand thumb like they do. If they ever shoot a revolver with any real power that way, they will find out WHY we don't do that. But, how I learned suits my auto loader shooting just fine. I don't pay attention to newbies that much anyway. About anything in life. ...except how to work computers or something.

[@tracy4050]

What about the 325 WSM? Is it too much for deer?

[@jaydunbar7538]

To much no, more then necessary yes.

[@skyhawk9979]

270 wsm cartridges are hard to come by in Mississippi

[@BlairStOnge]

The 270 WSM could be loaded with heavy for caliber bullets seated way out and chambered in rifles with more free bore and you would have a magnum 6.8 Western. Building a custom rifle is less expensive than any premium hunting rifle and it lets you tailor the rifle in conjunction with your hand loads.

[@tsechejak7598]

Just get a custom twist barrel and long action, nothing wrong with 270wsm.

[@ryananderson3760]

“Just”

[@jaydunbar7538]

“Just spend double the money customizing a rifle to do the same thing a Ruger American will do in a different chambering.” I am by no means against custom rifles, but a new rifle is typically a cheaper option and just as effective. We live in a wonderful age where the cheapest rifles on the rack have plentiful chamberings and are incredibly accurate when compared to even the custom rifles from 25 years ago.

[@10-4CodyWade]

@@jaydunbar7538 I've tried cheap guns in the past and I don't care for them. They can be plenty accurate but they just lack the quality feel that I prefer. Coincidentally I do have a semi-custom 270 WSM that shoots pretty consistently under 3/4" groups at 200 yards. The satisfaction I get when I handle it, shoot it, or even just think about it is well worth the extra few hundred bucks I spent. Some people want a cheap, functional gun and that's fine too.

[@jasonrottlaender1721]

Good luck finding brass for any wsm cartridges. I put a faster twist barrel on my Kimber waste of money. Should have re chamber to the 6.5prc. I really liked the 270wsm even with all its faults.

[@DonaldRussell-g9t]

Hold the gun the way that is best for you.

[@jameswhitaker1324]

16:55 I wonder which ‘proper grip’ your correspondent is referring to? There must be a least a dozen for pistols and at least that many more for revolvers. It’s really a personal thing, the only thing I’ve found that needs to be proper is that your grip be consistent and, honestly, I’m not even so sure of that. If you consistently hit your target, then you must a have a proper grip.

[@atomik1258]

Hey Ron, great content as always! Although your opinion on using buckshot seems a little contradicting does it not? On one hand you say that energy doesn't matter, you only need just enough to poke a hole in the vitals when talking about a .22 cal for example, but then say that a .32 cal ball wont have enough energy but then further follow that up with saying that its not a safer option because its lethal over 300y? maybe I'm just confused? Also you make it sound like shotguns throw a wildly inaccurate spray of pellets, but its no different to a rifle with average accuracy, you just need to know your limits and pattern your shotgun, no different to shooting groups with a rifle. Deer hunting with a shotgun is illegal here in Australia, However i harvest hundreds of Wallaby each year with tiny #2 shot way out to 70m+ successfully using my W&S O/U 30" barrels with a full choke in the top and IM in the bottom, however i will admit its a bit easier with Wallaby at extended ranges as we rarely keep the top half, even when rifle shot.

[@brinkee7674]

Always liked the 270wsm but as said it usually doesn't fit in SA with high bc bullets. The SAUM was actually a better design

[@johnconklin5180]

I have the BLR lever action Browning. Wood is too pretty to take out hunting. She is a shooter though for sure.

[@ethimself5064]

Not that long ago all rifles had wood stocks. I would not worry abut this unless it is a Museum item of sorts.

[@jaydunbar7538]

@@ethimself5064you can scratch up your wood stocks if you want, others don’t want to. Yes all of them used to be wood, they didn’t have a choice but they did have different qualities of those wood stocks for general use and for those just meant to look good.

[@ethimself5064]

@@jaydunbar7538 Like I mentioned above

[@warrengreen3217]

Guns are meant to be used and they dont get beat up like your saying maybe if your in a rocky mountain type environment but hunting woods is not destroying your stock

[@johnconklin5180]

I’m just talking about dings and small scratches. Far from destroying the stock. @@warrengreen3217

[@adamcarroll3533]

CLR and then high % alcohol to clean all the CLR out

[@jaydunbar7538]

00 buck is not the largest, it’s just the most common large one. 0000 is available it’s just difficult to find in most places.

[@ericsalazar2337]

I’ve got a Weatherby vanguard 270 WSM from 2005, it shoots buttholes with my reloads

[@clintivy623]

Sounds painful 😂

[@weinerdog137]

Hope you mean bugholes.

[@jfess1911]

@@weinerdog137 Yeah, I involuntarily winced when I read that comment.😯

[@chrisowen5497]

Impressive, but OUCH!

[@charliejones5470]

I like bug holes because buttholes are to big

[@jameswhitaker1324]

I always thought that buckshot was named for that young Buck who kicks down your door at 2:30 in the morning. You mean to tell me that people are hunting deer with that?! lol

[@bud4969]

Suppressors: I’ve heard people talk about suppressors being unfair when hunting because they believe the Hollywood hype about “silencers” making shots completely quiet. Hence they believe a hunter can take as many shots as wanted to get the range of an animal without spooking it. So funny.

[@WillyK51]

The 270 WSM is faster than the 270 Win. and faster than the SAUM. The 7mm WSM almost identical to the 7MMPRC, exept the 7 PRC is for long action rifles. Chamber 7 WSM in a long action and it will perform like th 6.8 west (6.8 parent case is the WSM)or 7PRC

[@texpatriot8462]

Ron: I tried to buy a 270WS

[@geneorgeron5943]

I thought this was about the 270

[@scottstruif3939]

The advent of the rangefinder and high BC bullets was not the reason Winchester developed the 6.8 Western to replace the 270WSM. The rangefinder did not render hunters’ use of MPBR obsolete. If that were true, Ron wouldn’t constantly advise hunters to picture shooting through an 8 inch pipe. Winchester developed the 6.8 Western because the 270WSM wasn’t profitable, but people were complaining the 270 couldn’t shoot bullets heavier than 150 grains through 1 in 10” twist rifles. A 150 grain bullet out of a 270 is marginal for pronghorn at 400 yards. The heavier 6.8 Western bullets are not likely much better.

[@jaydunbar7538]

Your correct MPBL isn’t obsolete, but rangefinders did bring another option to the table where a high BC bullet wins at range and the 6.8 western was built to take full advantage of that.

[@jfess1911]

You have some good points, but the 6.8 Western was intended to routinely be used well beyond MPBR range. For that, a laser rangefinder is extremely helpful to determine drop. Indeed, many of the new long-range hunting cartridges use heavier, sleeker bullets and typically have a shorter MPBR than older magnums. The 6.8 Western was just optimized for longer ranged performance than the 270 WSM, since long range and high-BC bullets are popular. In the end, it was seen as a way to sell new rifles and ammo. A main goal of the WSM cartridges was to extend MPBR range and minimize elevation changes to 400 and occasionally 500 yards, so they were designed to shoot relatively light bullets fast and flat. The data for the 6.8 Western (Browning 175 grain Sierra tipped Gameking) show 1995 ft-lbs energy and 2266fps at 400 yards, so unless your pronghorn is wearing body armor, it is in trouble. The round is still making 1771 ft-lbs at 500 yards. Significantly more than a 300 Win Mag shooting a traditional 180 grain soft point at that range. The whole point of the long, high BC bullet is to retain velocity and energy at well beyond MPBR range.

[@jasonrottlaender1721]

I believe that Winchester was sued over the 270wsm. And they had to pay royalties for every rifle chambered for it. Not to say that was the only reason but a big factor in it. I believe Ron mentioned this in one of his podcast

[@jfess1911]

​@@jasonrottlaender1721 In retrospect, it seems that the lawsuit* had little effect and it turns out that the royalties are not very high anyway. The similar Remington SAUM and Ruger/Hornady RCM cartridges also failed in the marketplace even though they were not affected by the lawsuit.There was simply not a large demand for short magnum cartridges at that time. It is interesting that of all the early short-magnums, the only one that still sells well is a WSM. Several companies are still chambering rifles for the 300 WSM. Most of not all the major ammo makers still load for it. I sometimes even see 300 WSM ammo at my local Walmart, for goodness sake. *The legal brief on the case is an interesting read. Jamison entered a partnership with Winchester and Ruger (with lawyers and everything) and spent a large amount of his own money and time doing development. He even got some patents on specifics these as the JRW (Jamison Ruger Winchester) Magnum. Ruger didn't want to pay royalties and decided not to chamber rifles for it. Winchester, on the other hand tried to screw him over. They claimed that they would not use his JRW Magnum cartridge but instead, just renamed it.

[@scottstruif3939]

@@jfess1911I shot a pronghorn at 400 yards with a Federal blue box 150 grain load. It was a heart shot, but I was aiming higher. The bullet barely made it into the heart. It did not expand at all. I concluded that the limit of the 270’s usefulness is as a 300 yard deer cartridge. Maybe a Sierra TGK out of a 6.8 Western would have expanded.

[@dianaalfieri18]

1st load 62 grns 4831 milsurp +130 hunter bullet literal 1 diameter hole 80 to 90yds ,no high preasure ,easy peezy.VLA siera.

[@adamkolb113]

I tried reloading the 270wsm and it seemed like the die wasn’t square with the brass. I had problems closing the bolt. I could get the bolt closed but most of them were difficult.

[@Lucysdad66]

Are you using rcbs dies I have seen problems like that with them I just sent a set of 6.5 cm back rcbs said maby the chamber in gun was off well I said bull and bought a set of Redding and they work and you can get the adjustment more precise

[@warrengreen3217]

Rcbs dies are good quality die i never had problems with them so have millions of other reloaders I'd say he must be using fired brass shot from different gun then he neck sized if he full sized he be good to go

[@jasonrottlaender1721]

My 270wsm had kinda the same problem. What was happening is they made the die so close to the chamber dimension that I had to anneal the bass so it wouldn't spring back on the shoulder causing some cases to have hard bolt closing. Once I started to anneal them I got rid of that problem. Buy a case shoulder gage and measure the fired case to a sized case if they're not .001 - .002 smaller then you need to anneal the brass. Hope that may help. Now if they would just make 270 brass again

[@adamkolb113]

@@Lucysdad66 my dies are hornady. Never had any problems with other calibers. Maybe I’ll check into a set of Redding. Thanks

[@adamkolb113]

@@warrengreen3217 I used once fired factor brass from a couple manufacturers and all did the same thing. Some brass “some more than others” had slight scratches on one side of the brass and not the other. That’s why I’m thinking the dies could be not square.

[@donnysanner342]

I'm sorry , buckshot used properly is devastating on deer. Down in the swamps of Southern VA "00" buckshot will pass completely through the deer. Sorry fellas....use it correctly....one of the rules is know what's behind your target. Oops , I forgot it's not the latest and greatest so it gets no time from Ron....

[@roddecker1900]

Ron please dont figure i said anybody on your program is an old bitty.😂

[@missey3164]

Here in the USA we still have the 2nd amendment but with the Demorats doing everything they can to restrict gun access to legal gun owners we better enjoy this freedom while we still can. Unfortunately Here in NY and the queen governor hochul and her bs with semi automatic long gun restrictions and now with the new filling out a ffl for purchasing bullets is ridiculous and a violation of the 2nd amendment in my opinion

[@jcjustice3786]

👍👍👍👌

[@ukwan]

James Hetfield used 270WSM so its cool 😅😂

[@DefectiveSquash]

Ron, NICS is literally a government authority thats determines wether or not we can purchase a firearm.

[@tonydevich7937]

Rack and Pinon

[@johnfaulkner4067]

I fail to see how the 300 PRC is the ideal african round for several reasons. First and foremost, there is no true game bullet loaded from the factory. With no apologies given, the ELD-X is not a game bullet, no matter what Hornady may label it as. Bullets such as the Nosler Partition, Nosler Accubond, Barnes TSX or TTSX and Swift A frame or Scirocco are game bullets, intended to have true controlled expansion and reliable deep penetration to create effective wound channels every time. Secondly, the 300 PRC is a specialized long range cartridge, and certainly doesn't qualify as a "big gun". How much long range shooting is done on safaris? The 300 PRC does't offer much of an advantage over the 300 Win Mag until beyond 500 yards. How many PHs will even allow a client to shoot past 500 yds? Probably not many, and for good reason. The 30-06 or 300 Win Mag are far better choices for plains game, being far more established, ensuring longevity and offering factory loads with bullets up to the task along with more than enough power and range for all plains game hunting. But, companies need to sell a product, and if you want it, then buy it. But, "the ultimate all-around African round"...that's humorous, even if only religated to plains game hunting. Real all-around African guns would be to the order of the 375 H and H or 375 Ruger, having the ability, although not perfect for such, to handle dangerous game as well as all plains game.

[@brianshaffer5090]

Ron, you forgot 000 buck

[@timbjork2098]

ya i think the point was made outside of coyotes or selfe defence i'm not taking the chance at using "shot" in hopes it can go make a deadly penitration on big game.

[@yungtraplord8553]

Has he shot at his silver play button? Lmfao

[@philipfreeman72]

Deer are a lot easier to transport on a bicycle after inerds removal . Dragging sucks .

[@algoneby]

You do need a bowie knife, just because.

[@bcpioneer59]

My skin crawls when people talk about the BLR, it might shoot fine, but to me there is only one uglier rifle made and that is the full length wood stock on the mannlicher rifle, but to each their own, they all work.

[@roddecker1900]

On the hunting long shots i disagree ron. With my dial ups and practice have managed to get around here and out of state. I will make my own decision with out any back bitting old bittie conscience supperimposing.all the committe work was done a long time ago. I would like nrl .i hunt with classic wood stocked rifles.no clip fed. So prohibitive committee work there too. Yes room to improve.

[@jaydunbar7538]

You should proof read, the I’ve read through several times and still not sure what your trying to say.