34 NEW STATES: Why Every Major U.S. City Should Be Its Own State, But Never Will Be

[@BendyDH]

You could argue that Rhode Island is the one city-state in the US, the entire state (and a little of MA, but we’ll ignore that) is considered the Providence metro and Prov very clearly dominates the state economy. You can also travel through the entire state in under an hour

[@danmoriarty6901]

Agreed

[@turdferguson3475]

Rhode Islanders DO NOT consider the rest of the state to be a suburb of Providence.

[@BendyDH]

@@turdferguson3475 i mean, i’m from Rhode Island myself,, but i’m just going by what the interwebs considers the metro area

[@JulluisSupremacy]

Where are you from RI? because Their a massive difference between Prov and Cranston(Population)@@turdferguson3475

[@Sonickid1011]

​@turdferguson3475 exactly living in providence but golfing in foster two totally different types of places In a very small geographical area.

[@birbluv9595]

Having lived in northern NJ and upstate NY, i think your idea makes lots of sense. Downstate NY has far more in common with NJ, CT, and surroundings than it does with upstate NY. It sways every NY election. Upstate would be very “red” with the exception of a few old Rust Belt cities. I know politicians would rather be downstate than in Albany (“Smallbany”).

[@virginiansupremacy]

upstate would be a swing state

[@jonathanbowers8964]

As long as upstate keeps Buffalo, it will be a swing state ala Pennsylvania.

[@rmf9567]

The entire country outside of cities is basically red.. what's a Democrats are trying to do right now is a disgrace

[@jaydenbrockington4525]

@@jonathanbowers8964I agree. I’m from the lower Hudson valley and we’re purple. Voting for both Trump and Biden in 16’ & 20’ all local elections swing red aside one popular democratic senator. Further you go up the more solid red it gets. But I now go to school in Buffalo and this place is insanely blue by comparison.

[@Pigsandbearsand]

I just think it would be a bit big

[@mpenna02]

I grew up in New York City, and I've always thought that the 5 boroughs of New York City along with Long Island and Westchester County should be their own state because of the cultural and political differences from the rest of New York state.

[@biggmike1293]

Not necessarily. I grew up in Suffolk county and it’s usually red and conservative out here. The rest of the area yes, even though Nassau is even starting to go red again. People are tired

[@tictac9229]

Yeess

[@sapinva]

It is also a perfect demonstration why these places should not be states.

[@mpenna02]

@@biggmike1293 Staten Island is like that too.

[@christianhansen3292]

@@sapinva majority should win.

[@benjaminsteele13]

My policy professor this quarter at UW told us that back when he was in our master's program, there would be at least one paper every year in each section about legalizing weed and the professors would make fun of the students openly, saying it could never happen. He graduated five years before recreational became the law. Never say never, especially not in policy spaces.

[@Distress.]

That's way different than splitting up a state which requires both sides to agree before congress would then have to approve it.

[@viggler]

Was your professor referring to legalization on a federal level?

[@benjaminsteele13]

@@viggler no, the school is a top ranked program but policy schools primarily are designed for state and local government training. The students back then were discussing state-level work and getting laughed out, within five years of what they recommended coming to fruition.

[@Tomdelongpenis]

@@benjaminsteele13 kinda surprised the prof would say it would never happen in 2007 wa unlikely maybe but never gonna happen just kinda seems like an old person stuck in there ways that's being said the hippies there were talking about it since the 60s so he might have just seen it as a pipe dream

[@IX_Dav1d_XI]

your videos are really great, and so is your work. they provide very interesting content! i wish you good luck on this journey and thank you for the amazing videos!

[@valdezlopez]

Wouldn't Alaska still be the largest original state (because it remains untouched, no breaking away points)?

[@JustinJamesJeep]

I think he meant largest population after the break up

[@chrisguine2473]

He was sorting them by population, not size.

[@fackeyutub-emael6545]

Hawaii and alaska are left out of a lot of things.

[@revinhatol]

Anchorage, Fairbanks, Juneau, Sitka

[@dvs620]

It's by population. Texas alone has 5 cities with larger populations than Alaska. Although this video lumped Dallas and Fort Worth together because they're one metroplex. Alaska is large, but mostly uninhabited.

[@johnlangston4108]

That’s a lot of work you did for this episode. Fascinating thought exercise. Thanks for making something a little different!

[@37llawffej]

There would not be 168 senators, but only 166 senators. You added 34 new states, but lost NJ. So the net gain would be 33 states (or 66 senators).

[@iboKirby]

I think it would have been 35 new states minus New Jersey, for a net total of 34. I’m not sure though because he kept saying 34 new states and 84 states total.

[@19ate4]

33 is such a great number 😂

[@hia5235]

how would adding more politicians that can be paid off: help the corruption?

[@MiH43210]

@@37llawffej and a bunch more democratic representatives

[@misterandrew]

South Korea has city-states, called Province-level Cities. After a metro area gets to 1 million people, it can apply to become a Metropolitan City, and is treated like the other provinces. Today there are 8 Province-level Cities, including Seoul and 6 Metropolitan Cities, plus Sejong, a government city.

[@coyotecreekband236]

A fascinating scenario. I appreciate the effort and detail you cover in your videos.

[@JTL1776]

What if only the big 3, New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles become states?

[@kingjt1086]

@Geoff please do this video this is actually realistic to happen within a few decades.

[@JTL1776]

​@@kingjt1086agreed. @GeogrphybyGeoff please make this video. Anyone else agree?.

[@classic.cameras]

Agreed this is more of a likely scenario.

[@JTL1776]

​@@classic.cameras and would be a video his audience wants cause getting rid of only these 3 would change politics on the Federal level to majority republican. This change would allow us a fighting chance in congress and senate at Changing the polices in all republican states and most swing states, colleges, and urban area's legally.

[@ClementinesmWTF]

@@kingjt1086 Jesus, are you people for real this delusional? No, it’s not realistic. It’s a fun thought experiment but holy hell y’all are batshit

[@bretsk2500]

Rockingham and Hillsborough counties in NH would go to war to *not* become a part of Boston.

[@danmoriarty6901]

So would new Bedford & Fall River

[@smithblack100]

NH can keep them😂😂

[@racheljones1634]

@bretsk2500 I was thinking this exact thing. I like visiting Boston, but I do NOT want to become part of it. I'm good living over the border.

[@bothpoint8667]

The political consequences depend on if you lump the suburbs into these new states. For example most of the political power of Detroit comes from the metro area not the city itself. If you leave the suburbs not much would change.

[@jonathanbowers8964]

He is taking the suburbs as he is taking whole metro areas.

[@kwisatz_haderach1445]

I had this idea some years ago after seeing voting patterns by county rather than state. It would make a great deal of sense since looking at the county maps the cities were one color while the rest of the state were the other. It comes down to the two cultures and the rules people wish to live under (whether it is a real difference or not - another much longer discussion). Would be interesting to try.

[@sapinva]

It would only make sense for those who ended up in power. More likely, it would only start a war leading to the breakup of the US.

[@attemptedunkindness3632]

It would provide a platform to give 3rd parties an actual chance to win elections and have a voice. Right now all cities nationwide have to be as lockstep as possible with eachother for simple survival, but it feels like trying to cram a size 14 foot into a size 7 shoe.

[@kurtbeyersdorfer2343]

loved the video. The same movement as "Greater Idaho" but from the polar oposite side. Mostly the powerfull citys due not feel persucuted by the rural counties and so have no movement to break away. Would love to see a video about what would happen, good & bad, if rural counties that feel they have no representaion could vote to join a more rural adjoining state and the law was such that they did not need the vote of their states legislatures or of the federal goverment. I think the changes would be fasinating and very different for differnent areas of the country.

[@jonathanbowers8964]

You haven't heard about how awful blue cities are treated in red states. This is true for Texas, Missouri, Florida, and Ohio. So many times cities want to raise their minimum wages (given they have higher costs of living than the rural hinterlands) but are forbidden from doing so by rural voters.

[@bigsky7617]

I'm about to watch for the first time. But my first thought is knowing here in Eastern Washington, we'd have to pay 33% higher taxes to cover what we'd lose from Seattle and King County. I'm interested to see what this video is getting at.

[@doomsdayrabbit4398]

At least you're smart enough to realize. The politicians who haven't decided to split the state despite stoking the divisiveness probably do too, but as long as they get paid, who cares if everybody hates each other, right?

[@davidferrara]

Hi, really enjoy your channel ! This episode is Brilliant.... the amount of work that went into this was truly epic. You rock Geoff😊

[@megakevin49]

On the positive side, I think one of the great strengths of the USA is that it is decentralized. Most other countries have all their political corporate power concentrated in one city--London, Paris, Moscow, Tokyo, Mexico City, Buenos Aires--with very little input from the other regions. The USA has several corporate, cultural, and political capitals (Texas itself has 2 or more) that cause some tension but also aid in stability. There isn't just on elite deciding everything for everyone, and you can move to somewhere that more fits your outlook...Also, in our current system, the rural and resource-producing areas have more political power proportional to their importance to the economy, and that's a good thing, even when I don't agree with everything coming out of Red state politics.

[@doomsdayrabbit4398]

There isn't just one elite deciding everything for everyone? Literally the two parties' headquarters in the suburbs of DC make every choice and hand them down as mandates to the state and local parties, who don't fund your campaign if you're not on board. Imagine how you'd get funding as a pro choice Republican.

[@jaydenbrockington4525]

@@doomsdayrabbit4398 it’s not all top down in politics. It’s a mixture. There are a lot of pro choice republicans in blue states and pro life democrats in red states that are still funded by their parties. Same with gun control and other similar issues. Often times ideas make it to the platform from a mixture of successful top down ideas already put in place somewhere, original to candidate ideas put in place at a state level, ideas pushed up from college groups, and ideas inferred from voters by interest groups.

[@megakevin49]

@@doomsdayrabbit4398 , are you saying states like Texas and California have no power in the US?

[@doomsdayrabbit4398]

@@megakevin49 Unless the politicians from them are buddies with the powers that be in DC, no.

[@ryanprosper88]

I don't think this would shift the country one way or the other politically. Yes, city states would lean heavily left, but many of the rural states would lean right, including Northern California. It would really help the cities themselves to be able to raise financing independently of the surrounding state. Cities could concentrate on their own needs and services

[@bigmonmagoomba9634]

Just think. The 35 million people in rural America would always have 100 out of the 168 Senate seats. The other 300 million people would only have 68. Kinda like now.

[@baronvonjo1929]

​@bigmonmagoomba9634 It's messed up but really what can you do? The whole point of this whole conversation is to show that states shouldn't be ruled by a single city. The city has its own needs, everyone else has their own needs. But how can you possibly apply this on a country scale? If we went by popular vote only cities would matter and everyone else be damned. Should we break up the entire United States of America so each new nation can better address their needs? If we just go by popular vote then a MAJOR minority of people will have no say in anything. It's ridiculous being a two party state. A nation with more parties could probably he better.

[@ericburton5163]

@@baronvonjo1929 I mean there are plenty of groups or identities that have this apply "go by popular vote then a MAJOR minority of people will have no say in anything". I'm not saying you are one of these people, but I do find it funny that so many people who complain about a silent majority, the will of the voters, and courts protecting minority rights are also the ones that use this argument for this specific group of people (rural people). There are plenty of similarly sized "minorities" and I also don't know if the size of the identity/group makes it more deserving of special rights or not. This says nothing of the fact that people living in rural or urban areas might not identify with said politics of the area nor are people themselves monolithic. If anything, I feel like the solution is to make rural voters protected under the Voting Rights Act. That way they have the same rights as other minorities, no more, no less. Otherwise it seems like some for me and none for thee. Separately I agree that having a proportional, multi-party system would probably be better.

[@ryanprosper88]

@@bigmonmagoomba9634 I'm fine with that lol

[@Melvin-cr5cs]

That's awesome thinking here! A parliamentary system with a larger number of parties would necessitate coalition building and moderate the extremes in the legislative process. So yes the cities over 2 million (NYC, LA, Chicago, Seattle, Portland, Atlanta, Miami, Charlotte, Phoenix, etc.) would go far left while the primarily rural states (now eastern Washington, eastern Oregon, eastern California, central NY state, rural Ohio, rest of non-ATL Georgia, all of Mississippi, etc.) would become conservative hotbeds. Thing is some states would be more moderate or middle of the road being that still would have fairly large cities in sufficient numbers like NC (Raleigh, Greensboro, Durham, High Point, Wilmington, Winston-Salem, etc.) and even my home state of Virginia (Richmond, Lynchburg, Norfolk, Virginia Beach, Roanoke, Chesapeake, etc.). They still would, of course, be more conservative, but they still would have to work together and with a parliamentary system and not a two-party winner-take-all then the system would be extremely moderating. If only the idea and sense of being "American" were such a strong, resilient crucible to sustain a sense of nation through such a pupae metamorphosis that the process didn't completely destroy what we have as it's reorganized to create a "more perfect union", as some would attempt to gainsay advantages to the complete detriment of successful self-governance... What a fun mental floss set of moments...

[@Fireneedsair]

Fun thought experiment. Great graphics. Love your videos

[@ChaosMechanica]

Honestly, I've argued-- theoretically-- that this would be advantageous for us to do, though I know it will never work. But...I think major cities should control their own affairs more closely, and I think rural places are so different from major cities in so many ways culturally and ideologically that it might be better to let each police their own needs. The fact that rural places could then compete in their own way would make them not feel so subservient to city politics. Politicians could then more accurately, hopefully, fight for needs that are specific to their region

[@AK-qc8ix]

One reason stated by a group that wanted to carve up California was that the counties have to collect taxes on behalf of the state but we’re not getting the money back in proportion. This means they are sending money from the county to the state but are not seeing the money coming back to them. The larger counties, namely Los Angeles, were getting the majority of the money.

[@aceebb0]

Very interesting vid! "I'm from Jersey" and just want to say you are spot on splitting NJ between "the city" and Philly. We've always been pulled in one direction or the other, yet weirdly unified in that. If put to a referendum, I think everyone would agree it made perfect sense and yet not actually want to do it.

[@cafe1925]

It won't work well. I think the 2nd largest city that each metro leaves behind in each state would develop rapidly forming their own urban cities and new metros, while the original separate metros themselves might lose population.

[@lumenox8541]

Why would that be the case?

[@cafe1925]

@@lumenox8541 Cities are economical centers, so the states that would lose metro is forced to seek an economic center for their own, without relying on the neighboring state( new metro in our case). Also these states concentrate more on this 2nd largest city, previously the largest metro would have received all fundings and attention. Eventually more people would come to live there, attend university etc. and the new city looks promising and appealing. This might attract immigrants from the separated metro, which are often too expensive, congested and crime laden. For example, if Detroit becomes separate state, then Grand Rapids, MI would develop a lot without the negatives of Detroit. So, Detroit might lose population to Grand Rapids

[@yucol5661]

I doubt it. It’s not the 1800s anymore. The states that loose cities will still be economically tied to those now out of state cities. A logger in say cascadia will still need to do business with Seattle to find a seller who will ship his logs abroad and pay him. Companies aren’t just gonna stay in the second biggest metro because they want to do business in a single state, they’ll do business where it’s cheapest and most profitable.

[@cafe1925]

@@yucol5661 It’s not 1800s anymore but people are still free to move. Why Florida overtook New York in population? People would move away from expensive crime laden congested metros if they could to the newly emerging population centers

[@cafe1925]

@@yucol5661 Then by your definition which relies entirely on coastal access, Indianapolis, IN should not exist, Minneapolis should not exist, Denver should not exist. If Indiana and Illinois were a combined state, I’m pretty sure Indianapolis would be a lot smaller than now it is and Chicago would still receive all attention from the state. I’m pretty sure Spokane will develop a lot without Seattle.

[@falsificationism]

This video captured a significant part of my brain. 😂 Thank you! I think about this far too often.

[@mgregory22]

Awesome video! Great graphics!

[@duaneleavesley3778]

Probably your best video Thanks

[@jlm3744]

I wouldn't say that they should be made into entirely new states. But maybe there should be like some new status for them like "Sector of New York" or "Metropolis of Los Angeles". Then the cities can have their own rules and regulations apart from the rest of the state. But I don't see every big city getting this type of status, I would say NYC, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago, and Miami getting it, those cities are famous for being economic, political, and cultural hubs in the US.

[@Not_Sal]

That’s a much better idea

[@nickzz12]

Many places in the world use this for their biggest cities like Paris, London, Dubai, or Shanghai

[@jlm3744]

Yes something like those.@@nickzz12

[@nickzz12]

@@jlm3744 I'm not disagreeing with your metrics you use. It has to have a cutoff somewhere. But I'd include places than have a CSA/metro of one million.

[@jlm3744]

@nickzz12 It's fine, I didn't take it as that. I agree. And actually I forgot to put that part in my comment. There does need to be a cutoff, I put it in my comment now. I said that not all big cities are going to become special zones, I was thinking like maybe only NYC, Los Angeles, Chicago, and some others, giant cities that are like big economic, political, and cultural hubs. But cities like Portland or Baltimore, no not them.

[@Artyomi]

3:31 “New Jersey kinda goes away entirely” Me, from New Jersey: YES! “… absorbed into the new states of New York City and Philadelphia” Me: YEESSS!

[@sethlangston181]

Ngl, while I am a big fan of this channel, considering how vicious and extremist the two parties are, radically redistributing the borders of the states to favor either party would be an incredibly bad idea.

[@Not_Sal]

I 100% agree

[@jtt8237]

Only one party is vicious and extremist. The democrats are literally center right conservatives by the standards of the rest of the world… the republicans are a few ticks left of the nazi party

[@dudeofdixie]

This would be the start of a horrible civil strife conflict

[@mirfjc]

one issue is they already heavily favor one party. but any system that isn’t one person, one vote is likely to do that.

[@priestesslucy]

What this actually does is allow the rural regions a vote in accordance with their rural values without being overwritten by the urbanites. It's a fascinating solution that would be neat to see play out

[@maxwarboy3625]

This is fascinating

[@lesterscrough9762]

This would be beneficial for Missouri, where the state government is essentially at war with Kansas City and St. Louis.

[@mitchellty]

Really?? I’ve never heard of that before

[@LC-iw3ll]

Oh yeah. The state government is solidly red and works for rural interests. But KC/STL/Columbia/Jeff City are solidly blue. But the state government is so conservative that it feels like it doesn't represent the will of the average city/suburbanite as it does the racist/backwards hillbilies.@@mitchellty

[@melissagregory-oc5jq]

Thanks for another great video. Your videos are my favorite geography videos.

[@gregorysouthworth783]

Cool video, Geoff!! Interesting idea and it would remedy several problems, not the least of which is the perception of many people that their representatives don't really represent them or their interests left, right, and center. It might even cool some of the secession fever which flares from time to time. It would also address the serious (and growing) large urban and NOT-large-urban divide. However, like you, I don't see this happening soon unless some unusual leadership is able to sell the idea to the American public. I have also wondered about the urban megaregions becoming states rather than just the city-states. I could see where that could be a bigger challenge as many of these places don't yet identify as united regions and the fact you are just dealing with many more people. But who knows what the next decades will bring.

[@nicklaforge]

This is a surprisingly good idea

[@2kpounders461]

Trust me when I say. The current state of Illinois would love for the entire Chicago area become their own state. They have nothing in common with the rest of the state

[@whiskeytango3461]

@@2kpounders461 preach! 🙌

[@martindebrois1472]

Hmm interesting angle. Thanks, for the video. 👍

[@MN12warbird]

America should already just realize and embrace the fact that city dwellers and rural folk dont mix politically or financially and learn after the german systems of city states and the autobahn

[@clairdeloona]

we should also make them like tokyo. tokyo has different wards, which operate like completely independant cities under a provincial (or, for the US, state) government. ofc US cities have a lot more crime, homelessness, pollution, etc than tokyo but splitting metro areas like this seems to have worked there.

[@MrKim-kv2vv]

Interesting. I can imagine the mass shifting of residents to align with their life. 🙋🏼

[@estraume]

You should make more videos like this one looking into more natural subdivisions of North America! Of cause, as you said, it is impossible to do anything with statehood or any border changes with the current political climate, but it is interesting to imagine optional states/countries. I have sometimes thought that USA and Canada should have been divided differently. Here is my suggestion to how to mix up and divide USA and Canada in four similar size countries based on current state borders, geographic areas, and cultural divisions: Atlantic-Arctic: Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Brunswick, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Newfoundland and Labrador, Northwest Territories, Nunavut, Nova Scotia, Ontario, Pennsylvania, Prince Edward Island, Quebec, Rhode Island, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, population 101 mill, area 6.4 mill.sq.km. Midwest-Prairies: Alberta, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Manitoba, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, North Dakota, Ohio, Saskatchewan, South Dakota, Wisconsin, Wyoming, population 88 mill, area 4.9 mill.sq.km. Pacific-Mountain: Alaska, American Samoa, Arizona, British Columbia, California, Colorado, Guam, Hawaii, Idaho, New Mexico, Northern Mariana Islands, Oregon, Utah, Washington, Yukon, population 79 mill, area 5 mill.sq.km. South-Gulf: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Puerto Rico, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, US Virgin Islands, population 103 mill, area 1.8 mill.sq.km.

[@priestesslucy]

City States would be neat I can't say for sure if it would be better, but if I had the power to snap my fingers and make this happen I would

[@jamesodell3064]

Another complicating factor is how to divide up the state's obligations. They would argue about how pension and debt obligations are handled.

[@ronquiring7796]

Fantastic analysis! Well done. Can't tell you how much I enjoy your episodes. Yes I agree, give Puerto Rico full statehood along with the benefits and responsibilities therein. With DC......I don't know. Best regards.

[@JSLR4K]

Ideally, most of DC should be given back to Maryland with the federal buildings (Capitol, White House, etc.) being part of no state. This would probably have bipartisan support, since Democrats would likely gain an extra seat in Congress but will lose a net 2 electoral college votes (+1 for solid blue Maryland getting larger and -3 for solid blue DC no longer existing).

[@bradrothberg5863]

good editing

[@valdezlopez]

84 states?!?! Won't somebody please, think of the Star Spangled Banner? Betsy Ross is gonna go nuts!

[@Dr.Schlitz]

Right. Because fundamental question of political fairness should be decided based on how many stars you can cram onto a flag. Got it.

[@valdezlopez]

@@Dr.Schlitz Hey, I don't make the rules.

[@birbluv9595]

I can’t help laughing! This is a great joke that should not be taken seriously.

[@doomsdayrabbit4398]

I love how that's actually legitimately used as an excuse against granting statehood to the six territories there are today.

[@theperfectmix2]

Once we have enough states we could expand the blue area of the flag downwards to give ourselves more room for stars.

[@Cyrus992]

I support county breakups. So Clark County, NV which is 3/4ths of state doesn’t have too much power. Many cities can also be counties like found in VA

[@jtt8237]

This is tyrannical. Land doesn’t vote, people do. The reason this country is such a shithole is we give too much power to backwaters where nobody lives, allowing well backwards conservatives to rule over a much larger liberal majority

[@skipast75]

You forgot Milwaukee and Salt Lake City. 2.8 million live in the Provo-SLC-Ogden Metro. They consider SLC and Provo 2 different metros but they blend together now. Driving north on I-15 the metro starts in Payson and doesn’t end until you’re past Ogden… roughly 160 miles of bumper to bumper traffic. Outside of the Boston to Washington DC corridor it’s the longest metro I’ve ever driven through. Everyone is crammed between the mountains to the east and 2 lakes to the west(Great Salt Lake and Utah Lake). Logan is cut off from the metro by a few miles but it’ll blend into everything in the next 20 years. Most people have no clue how huge the SLC area is and how fast it’s grown since the Olympics. Milwaukee metro is 2.1 million. Madison metro of 900,000 touches Milwaukee’s metro so call it 3 million… and since they both touch the Rockford metro and Chicago metro that totals 13,000,000 million.

[@CortexNewsService]

You're not wrong about Milwaukee touching the Chicago metro. I used to drive from Chicago to see friends in Milwaukee and it is solid development all the way between the two cities. Kenosha is part of the Chicago metro, with commuter rail going from Kenosha to the Chicago Loop, but it's less than an hour from downtown Milwaukee as well.

[@Fernetty]

Man’s forgot a lot FR. Major lapses of judgement

[@ericburton5163]

I mean it was just a fun exercise. I don't think he forgot, more that he literally just used the metro areas. It becomes to arbitrary to use csas in some instances but not for others. Many CSAs have parts that blend into each other in terms of urbanized/developed areas. It would be a nightmare to try and decide when CSAs should be used and when MSAs should be used. I don't think it's a matter of people knowing or not knowing how big metro areas are. Nor do I think its a value statement or judgement by him nor anyone else. Literally is just statistical areas based on commuting patterns. You could argue whether that was the right metric, but not that he "forgot" areas when a simple search shows that neither SLC nor Milwaukee's metro areas don't make the cut, and it's not by a small margin.

[@Fernetty]

@@ericburton5163 bro he highlighted Fargo and then just skipped over 3 million people along the Wasatch front and Milwaukee

[@skipast75]

⁠​⁠@@ericburton5163Milwaukee/Madison/Chicago being separate makes sense because they’re major cities. SLC/Provo/Ogden are one nonstop city now and the CSA should be changed to 1 MSA. Salt Lake City is only 200,000 so it’s tough to call it a major city but Provo and Ogden are most definitely not major cities requiring their own MSAs. He wrapped Providence into Boston so he used the CSA for that. Geoff tends to use the metro population when talking about a specific city. He should stop doing that as it creates a lot of confusion to younger kids interested in city data. New York is not 19 million people.. it’s 8 million and change(and shrinking quickly). Los Angeles is not 13 million… is 3.8 million. He’s using his platform to teach and to have fun with statistics. Which is cool… but he’s also causing kids to argue about their cities population because that’s what kids who are into statistics do. lol

[@uHnodnarB]

Great video, but House seats aren’t proportioned based on an “average” amount. You would have to recalculate how the 435 House reps would be apportioned using the Huntington-Hill method.

[@WompWomp196]

Something to consider is that rural areas of states such as Oregon get a lot of subsidy from their urban areas. These rural areas rely on this subsidy to keep themselves economically relevant and out of poverty. One could say "well if these states break away, it would allow industries like timber to return and bring economic viability to the region", however, this doesn't just apply to the basic economy. Roads for instance are not sufficiently funded by local funds.

[@donluce4883]

Oregon's rural communities used to be self-sustaining until the people in the urban cities banned all their economic activities. Without the yoke of tyranny from the cities, these activities would resume and the rural areas would become self-sustaining again. I was born and raised in Portland for 54 years, until we could no longer stand to live in the dystopian hell hole created by destructive progressive policies. Moving away progressive policies is always the right move!

[@WompWomp196]

this would assume that the economy can practically return to pre-ban viability. It is not clear that this is the case. Many bans were overturned by the Trump Administration but it did not change much in terms of prices. In addition, lumber production continues to decline in America as other materials have become more prevalent or purchasing lumber from other countries has proven more cost effective. Unless we want to impose higher tariffs on other country's lumber or subsidize American lumber to the extent that we do with agriculture (both of which are paid for largely by big cities and the people who live in them, yet again making the rural areas dependent on the urban ones) then it is not evident that their will be a return to per-enviromental policy economics@@donluce4883

[@shaneanderson1229]

There are a large number of more rural states not impacted by his proposal. Guess what? We all have roads and infrastructure too

[@m0z188]

They can be city states, fantastic idea. however I believe it should only include the city boundaries and not the metro area boundaries, there is still an obvious urban/Suburban divide.

[@Lucas_Antar]

No there's not most people who live in the suburbs work in the city make most of money in the city and spend a lot of money in the city. They go to the city to actually be able to have fun they still have friends who live in the city who haven't settled down in some Suburbia yet. Suburbs are way more tied to cities than they ever would be rural areas

[@m0z188]

@Lucas_Antar not as much as they would there is offices in the suburbs so many people live in one suburb and work in another suburb, alot of these people also make an effort to stay away from the city due to their own paranoia.

[@bigfoot14eee99]

I wouldn't dismiss this out of hand. I can state for a fact that although the Detroit metro area didn't meet your 2 million threshold, the majority of us in western Michigan resent the sway Detroit area politics has on the entire state.

[@apokatastasian2831]

they should take the whole karen belt too (the 96 corridor, Detroit, lansing, ann arbor, kzoo, and GR)

[@billotto602]

This could be interesting !

[@patrickmazza7055]

Most rural areas rely on the major metros to sustain them fiscally. If that Seattle state ever formed, the remaining Washington would have a hard time keeping the roads maintained. Much as the rural areas denigrate the cities, they are the hubs of economic activity and revenues.

[@tarik4684]

My first point exactly where would funding come from, I don't think some of these city can sustain themselves

[@Melvin-cr5cs]

@PatrickMazza7055, Your point is how the current Commonwealth of Virginia governs itself. Northern Virginia, the far and away wealthiest region in the state pays out more in taxes than it gets back in benefits; It subsidizes nearly all of rural Virginia save the enclaves of the rich and famous around our wine country, Virginia is just now reckoning with building better school buildings in a very piecemeal way unlike in Ohio where the state offered to pay half. Some wealthier Ohio localities opted out still while those less well off obviously took the money and ran. Again proving your point--even though urban areas took the money too. Right now many poorer rural areas don't know how they're going to pay for their new buildings as Richmond has said "Don't count on us."

[@jtt8237]

@@tarik4684the cities are the productive part of the country. They literally fund the rest of the state. In the same way that blue states fund most red states

[@shaneanderson1229]

@@jtt8237rural areas produce a great deal also, namely everything that you eat, the fuel for your car, furnace, and etc, the cotton for your clothes. Rural areas get funding for garbage they don’t want or need, and would have far more funding available to them if not for the lunatic greenies hamstringing every important industry

[@syedwarsi11]

Dividing LA from the Inland Empire is so dumb, it's a continuous urban area. Count it as one metro area

[@KBJ910]

See this the type of video I wish Raleigh-Durham was 1 metro It should be not the split 😭

[@mikegibson673]

Completely agree!!!

[@stevenrn6640]

Most people in major cities think food comes from stores and gas comes from gas stations.

[@douglasbrittain7018]

I have thought the same thing. And I am sure that they don't realize how those rural areas are affected by Washington DC

[@rt_goblin_hours]

Ngl it never felt like you reached the meat of the video and just skimmed it. Especially for multi state cities and their benfits. Or how you got rid of new jersey

[@skidawg22]

Amen brother! I would argue that entire metro areas should be their own states.

[@katiefox3259]

Being born and raised in (southern) New Jersey, north jersey and south jersey are already pretty much two different states entirely so no one would miss it anyway 😅

[@AK-qc8ix]

I would offer that the states are held hostage by the major cities within them. This is why counties in California and Colorado have talked about session from their respective states.

[@jef_3006]

I think they may all sound great on paper, but in practice dividing people into groups rarely helps solve problems.

[@pizzagroom6221]

that's exactly why state and country borders need to be abolished

[@thetapheonix]

@@pizzagroom6221 That's exactly why country borders should be enforced.

[@pizzagroom6221]

@@thetapheonix because dividing people into groups helps

[@thetapheonix]

@@pizzagroom6221 People divide themselves into groups.

[@pizzagroom6221]

@@thetapheonix very true, and that's why people should be able to form new groups/states, not cemented onto the same 100 yr+ ones, never to change. Weren't multiple states created in the first place to give local autonomy? As it is, the big mega cities decide how the rest of the state will act. Why force rural groups to stay associated with their urban counterparts?

[@WizardToby]

The total would actually be 83 because while you're adding 34 city-states, then New Jersey ends up going away. Though I guess the 84th state would be Puerto Rico because they should be a state.

[@KevinSmith-qi5yn]

Puerto Rico doesn't want to be a state. They get a lot of benefits for being a Territory without any of the drawbacks of being a State.

[@bjs301]

I'm not sure the political results would favor conservatives. Nearly all the new states would be controlled by liberals. The House and Senate would both become lopsided.

[@GaryArmstrongmacgh]

It is what it is! We no longer live in a rural world. Yet right now, our system is allowing the rural people to control our country through the electoral college. Creating the tyranny of the minority!

[@Marquipuchi]

for the senate it would favor republicans

[@bjs301]

How? Each new state gets 2 senators, elected by large democratic majorities.@@Marquipuchi

[@Marquipuchi]

@@bjs301 because many of the original dem states would flip red

[@michaelcavalier8750]

@@bjs301All of the current states would be heavily Republican. So nearly 100 Republican senators and a little over 68 Democrat senators.

[@Alan-lv9rw]

And if my grandmother had wheels, she’d be a wagon.

[@AsaTJ522]

Video title is "Why Every Major U.S. City Should Be Its Own State" but the conclusion is the exact opposite of that.

[@leifd.sewell8304]

As a philadelphian I support this plan however, on behalf of all Philadelphia we don't want any part of new jersey they can do their own thing.

[@JerEditz]

I stand with working with what we got instead of trying to break it up. as said, doing this kind of thing would split the country even more in a negative way. It would overshadow the few virtuous positives.

[@jtt8237]

I mean as it is we’re often living under minority rule from a party committed to abolishing democracy and checks and balances. Things are pretty damn bad given that in the last 20 years we we have spent 12 living under governments which did not win their elections, while in many states gerrymandering is the deciding factor in elections for state government

[@JerEditz]

@jtt8237 both are at fault of this.

[@jtt8237]

@@JerEditzliterally how. the democrats don’t need gerrymandering or the electoral college to win.

[@USAWINSSSSSBABY]

What about Sitka, Fairbanks, Anchorage, Honolulu, Maui, Phoenix, Tucson, Olympia, etc?

[@oaxtec765]

This comment section is so conservative wtf? Like of course a one party system is not in anyones best interest but its genuinely shocking that most of the people in here seem to really dislike the progressive side of the political spectrum. The way its being talked about is genuinely so undemocratic, talking about how it woukd hand over most of the power to cities as if its a negative even though thats where most Americans live and our current electoral college and senate are inherently unrepresentative. Like this is not a good solution to political tension, but how is conservative states controlling cities and actively disinvesting in them and forcing them into poverty a good thing? I guess my main point is its so strange to blame cities for our modern problems, political or otherwise, when historically thats where our most disinfranchized and least powerful population has lived, cities in the us have been systematically represed by their states to an extent where its hard for them to solve their own problems or even have real autonomy or ability to make decisions.

[@cypothingy]

Would it be possible for you to share a map of the states, or at least list the cities that are split off?

[@SC-bs7jd]

I completely agree with cities becoming individual states. Trouble is that cities are NOT terrorized by rest of the area state, the rural areas are terrorized by the cities.

[@TheHistorySoldier]

If you're in Pennsylvania, you will feel like you're being terrorized by the state if you live in Philly or Pittsburgh.

[@sailorsam1393]

Hi Geoff, I moved to Dallas nearly 5 yrs ago from Atlanta. There is an influx of mostly Floridians & Californians moving to this city. CA is a liberal, democratic state. FL is a conservative, republican state. Rent and mortgages have skyrocketed. Additionally, jobs are requiring more skills and paying less. How do you think the differing political stances of CA & FL will redevelop Dallas in the next decade or two?

[@terriz7791]

We need 3 more states to get to 53 total states. Then we would truly be indivisible.

[@shaneanderson1229]

Not true. However we would be absolutely prime

[@M3ATM1SSLE17]

Very well laid out thought processes. Geographically this premise is highly logical but as you demonstrated within the electoral college votes, equal representation throughout the nation would lean heavily towards urban centers. Thus illustrates the geniuos of the electoral college that distributes equal representation nationally. Very good video. Very thought provocing and insiteful!

[@herschelwright4663]

Those 34 new states are looking at years, maybe decades of legal battles.

[@Melvin-cr5cs]

The battles just to secure water in the West alone would be epic. The federal government would be completely consumed with refereeing these battles; The US would almost have to recede from the world stage in many significant ways. Unless, of course, some ante-separation prenuptial agreements were reached that either had predetermined break-ups of utilities servicing now common areas or power-sharing of their respective governing/regulatory agencies. The highways would have to be nationalized because the smaller states wouldn't be able to fund their necessary expansion. The remaining Virginia and NC could given funding mechanisms that are in place, but I couldn't see rural Ohio, eastern California, eastern Washington, central NY being able to keep up the large swaths of highways they have in them... The logistical, financial, organizational challenges among so many others would be a blast to work through. This change would stress or emphasize our federal system in ways that are papered over with the states in their current form. Oddly enough this separation could foster more togetherness than what one would initially presume.

[@blogdesign7126]

Especially 8:38 between San Francisco and Sacramento areas if it was their own states. The State of San Francisco and the State of Sacramento would have territorial disputes on who gets Solano County, CA. The Area is both on the Sacramento Valley area and North East end of the Bay Area. If you live in Solano County, CA it needs to back both Sacramento and Bay Area at the same time when it comes to water rights.

[@jdhenge]

This could only work if we changed the Federal Union to be more of a federation than a central government. Senators would be more like delegates or ambassadors than lawmakers. The states would need more self-rule being in essence independent countries united into a federation. Similar to the European Union or the United States under the Articles of Confederation.

[@doomsdayrabbit4398]

The problem with the Senate is that it retains too much power, allowing a single individual to block any and all legislation with a simple email.

[@miketoronto8308]

Should the Great American Empire ever fall, City-States would be a very valid way for the average continental citizen to be governed. Each land would provide only for oneself, not exploiting the resources to subsidize one rural land for another, and passing laws and rights pertaining to each one's self and people.

[@lucasjames7524]

The other thing is that the 34 city-states would be much, much, much wealthier than the remaining states. The tax base and economic activity would make the 34 states much richer and be able to offer much higher standards of living, so it would end up harming what remained of the original states substantially. A better scenario (and maybe future video idea?!) would be to redraw the current 50 states such that they had equal population, as closely as possible, along county lines.

[@stacyr2775]

There's a decades-old political joke in North Carolina were Charlotte is referred to as "The Great State of Mecklenburg." (Charlotte's in Mecklenburg County.)

[@CortexNewsService]

As a leftist Illinoisan outside of the Chicago metro, I REALLY don't want Chicago to be its own state. If it was, Illinois would go so hard right it would make Florida look like the Castro.

[@baronvonjo1929]

Then move to Chicago. You would probably feel more at home lol I don't mean that in a mean way.

[@Not_Sal]

@@baronvonjo1929it’s possible to be leftist and not want to live in a big city you know.

[@CortexNewsService]

@@baronvonjo1929 I used to. It's also where my husband died from a heart attack. Every street pretty much takes me back to that morning. So, I can't actually move back if I want to preserve my mental health.

[@Lucas_Antar]

The problem with this is that states use cities to pay for the standard of living in rural areas. The individualistic mindset of rural people and major news outlets only focusing on crime and violence helps them live in a delousion of not needing their states cities even if actual crime statistics are lower than the national average.

[@RussW_Comments]

Great idea ... should also redraw the states boundaries as they are arbitrary anyway based on the politics of when they entered the union ... probably should dilate the boundaries a little

[@brandonm4613]

you mean gerrymandering...

[@RussW_Comments]

@@brandonm4613 I’ve never heard of gerrymandering being used for state boundaries but yes but on a longer time scale. Thanks for that insight.

[@comeconcon569]

America is a huge and diverse country. that is to say, every state,region and its people are completely different. the Pacific Northwest region and the Deep South region are two totally different regions, so are the people there, and every state and region have its own history,laws, climate, economy,you name it.

[@jacobbhancock]

I disagree with you about Washington DC becoming a state. However, I do believe Puerto Rico should gain statehood….maybe. DC was never intended to be a state, it was never truly intended for people to actively live there. As neither was our government designed for people to make careers out of them. It was designed for regular folk to be able to contribute to the governing authority within this country and it is a damn shame what it’s come to. On that note, I think too many Americans are sick of the “Rich men north of Richmond” and the city state mess would cause the country to be fully run by the rich men north of Richmond. It’s a cool concept, it’s interesting to think about, but it’s also rather dystopian. I would rather see our politics here become more middle ground and stop being so extreme. On that note, I found it incredible how most of my life is based in rural America and the smaller cities that are not big enough for statehood, even the Richmond metro and Hampton Roads metro area of Virginia isn’t big enough. I find it incredibly nauseating to put up with people in the cities and deal with traffic and just life in general, in a city of 100k.

[@jlm3744]

They both shouldn't be states. I agree with what you said about DC. I'm Puerto Rican, and Puerto Rico is never going to be a state and we never should. Those referendums are total BS, they are only setup by the corrupt pro-statehood party PNP just as a political ploy to get votes. They were never approved by the US government to happen in the first place and they always get low turnout because everyone against statehood boycotts because nothing is going to happen anyway.

[@michaelcavalier8750]

I agree, DC was never intended to be a state. If the people who live there don't like it, the can move or petition the land to go back to the state of Maryland.

[@EnneaIsInterested]

The follow-on is likely that the whole political setup would be reformed into something else, we might also imagine that the rump rural statelets would join up with other rural statelets, and the combination would make at least multi-party democracy with leveling seats essential, otherwise the rural states would consistently be underrepresented. I think this is one of the three big things that would make the U.S. Much bigger than it currently is, another would be doing either NAWAPA or GRAND, and the third would be building out large vacuum train connections between the big urban region states.

[@ericherndon5628]

YES! I've been throwing around the idea of the City-State, with it's own electoral votes, for years. It would make perfect sense and would stop the disenfranchisement of rural voters in states like New York, Illinois, California, etc...

[@GaryArmstrongmacgh]

And it would stop Republican voters from splitting apart Democratic cities so they could cheat! Thus disenfranchising them!

[@MuffHam]

I feel there pain. I live in Rural BC and Vancouver citidiots are ruining are province and rural life. With there idiotic voting.

[@handlingthehowards9543]

Being from Spokane Washington, I have to agree. I think Seattle and Olympia, and all those big cities on that side of the state should be their own state. It’s literally like from one side of the cascade mountains to the other. We don’t really see Eye 2 Eye

[@billmeckle229]

D.C. was partitioned off separately to avoid the problem of it being a state

[@flmcmil]

and if anything, if DC wants to be a state, then they can just give the land back to Maryland much like Arlington was given back to Virginia.

[@WakandaleezaRazz]

The problem of representation with taxation oh nooooes

[@Dr.Schlitz]

The Constitution establishes a maximum size for the federal district, but no minimum size. The DC statehood movement seeks to reduce the size of the federal district and allow the remainder to become a new state. This is entirely consistent with the US Constitution, and would eliminate a major source of injustice in the current structure, i.e. the fact that 700,000 DC residents have no voting representation in congress. No other nation in the world deprived the citizens of its national capital voting representation in the national legislature. The United States is an outlier in this respect, and not in a good way.

[@Dr.Schlitz]

@@flmcmil Sure, right after we force North Dakota and South Dakota to merge.

[@flmcmil]

@@Dr.Schlitz Dakota was never a state. Maryland and Virginia had to give up land in order for DC to exist and Virginia took theirs back. Also, DC was never meant to be a place of residency. The logical solution would be for Maryland to take back the residential parts of DC and leave the federal district for federal purposes OR give the whole thing back to Maryland and make the capital a city in Maryland. What you’re proposing messes up balance in the senate. Historically, states are admitted in twos and normally with opposing parties in control as to not upset the balance. And plainly, if DC voters want representation, they can move to PG or Arlington County. It’s cheaper anyway. Source: I grew up in the area

[@LTNye]

The concept that DC should be it's own state has been debated and has never stood on solid or logical ground. The idea of giving the areas back to Virginia and Maryland makes far more sense.

[@douglasbrittain7018]

Washington DC was never designed to be a state. Just land for all the governments around the USA to run business. Not saying your comment is wrong, but a lot out there don't get that concept.

[@danieldeanharrison]

Sounds very similar to BC scenario in Canada. If Vancouver and Victoria split from BC it’d shrivel up and disappear because of its heavy reliance to the other industries in the province. Even though they absolutely hate what is going on (example the old growth controversy (lumber), oil and gas, mining) it’s these industries keep the cities afloat. Probably would still make bank from HQ corporate taxes but probably nothing from the industry sites itself.

[@JustinJamesJeep]

You're argument would be true if it was 1940 but it's 2023, Vancouver doesn't in any way shape or form rely on rural BC for income. I assume your are a rural BC citizen. If you are, please look into Vancouver more because it will soon be Canada's largest city if housing is fixed. (And rural BC isn't why Vancouver is growing)

[@markdrake8888]

DNSP propaganda

[@danieldeanharrison]

@@JustinJamesJeep if you are right then Vancouver should separate and join the peoples party of china 😂. China will probably benefit that city more by shoehorning building projects, bribing officials and ignoring human rights standards lol.

[@danieldeanharrison]

@@markdrake8888 well this is a first hearing about DNSP. Thanks tips.

[@TBustah]

We haven't done this for the exact same reason that the Electoral College exits: urban areas would dominate federal politics. Not only would they have control of the president forever, but they'd have control of the senate as well. Population centers already have proportional representation in the house, that's enough.

[@JTL1776]

Peurto rico should be a state. DC should never become a state. The founders were right not to and the reasons are still valid today.

[@jlm3744]

They both shouldn't be states. I agree with what you said about DC. I'm Puerto Rican, and Puerto Rico is never going to be a state and we never should. Those referendums are total BS, they are only setup by the corrupt pro-statehood party PNP just as a political ploy to get votes. They were never approved by the US government to happen in the first place and they always get low turnout because everyone against statehood boycotts because nothing is going to happen anyway.

[@Dr.Schlitz]

I don’t think you understand DC statehood. The DC statehood movement seeks to make DC smaller, with the remainder becoming a new state. The central core, including the Capitol, the White House, etc. would remain within a federal district.

[@gamervox1707]

Why DC should not be a state or at least the people living their have their vote accounted for? Also politicians vote in their state so what change if DC was a states?

[@jlm3744]

@Dr.Schlitz Actually that idea I've only heard some Republicans talk about about. What I hear mainly from people from DC is they want the entire city including the federal buildings to become a state. And to suggest anything otherwise to a DC resident, they get really butthurt over it, because it's mostly about DC pride with them.

[@Will-xf3qe]

I imagine this would be similar to the map that would result from the civil war that tim pool is always saying is coming anytime now

[@haroldfarquad6886]

This would make things much better politically, especially in the areas of New York, LA, SF, Portland, Seattle, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Boston, Baltimore, and Chicago. Those ten cities are a plague upon the other residents of their states, and should not be trying to impose their catastrophic ideologies on people who don't want to join their circus. Let them govern themselves and leave sane people a lone.

[@frankschaefer8890]

I'd say it's less the cities being held hostage by the rest and more the opposite way...

[@bigmonmagoomba9634]

Most of the people and wealth would be concentrated in the city-states. Money talks.

[@jtt8237]

It’s almost like those are the most important part of the country and it’s bad that the rural areas rule over them (it’s autocratic, ffs 12 of the past 23 years we’ve lived under unelected governments, 4 of those years literally stolen (Bush v Gore, Bush lost but the SC handed it to him)

[@AlejandroAltamirano]

IMO, I think the US should adopt a 3-tier federal system. Have the cities and other localities have as much autonomy as the states. This system is practiced in Brazil and Mexico.

[@shaneanderson1229]

Supposed to be that way here, but the federal has usurped massive amounts of power and all the states have just bent over to take it

[@timk7073]

I live in Cincinnati and love the idea of breaking up Ohio. Cincinnati, Columbus, and Cleveland drive the economy of the entire state, and are solidly blue, but we are ruled by the yahoos of the hard-right rural and ex-urban areas of the state.

[@Melvin-cr5cs]

As a former beloved Columbus resident, and Ohioan, I always thought of Cincinnati as being the odd-ball red large city in Ohio, Cleveland deep blue and Columbus battleground purple. Of course the other smaller cities were blue with the rural areas solidly red.

[@timk7073]

@@Melvin-cr5cs Good points. Cincinnati and Hamilton County used to be more red or purple (up until the mid 90's) but are now blue. It's the surrounding counties in Southern Ohio that are very red (Trump country). I lived in Columbus for a time in the mid 90s and it was a lot more progressive than Cincinnati at the time, but now the cities have a lot more in common in my opinion.

[@jeffryreese]

Slightly unrelated - How about using a lottery system to decide the order of the Presidential primaries? For an entire year, it's Iowa, Iowa, IOWA! Then after that, each state gets an average of about 2 days for candidates to visit before their citizens vote. This is CRAZY!!!

[@julius-stark]

Cities have enough power as it is, making them states would just ensure they retain control over everything around them. The reason why people live away from cities is because city culture has become incredibly toxic and are constantly passing laws that restrict personal freedom while giving the government more power over individuals.

[@HeadStronger-HS]

The truth

[@GaryArmstrongmacgh]

There are different realities in cities!

[@turbojon8117]

But people AREN'T moving away from cities. Do you think the population is becoming more ruralized???

[@julius-stark]

@@turbojon8117 people want to live in cities because it's "cool". Living in a city sucks. No parking (I spent my teens and most of my 20s riding buses, never again), too many people, too much crime, everything's expensive, the apartments are overpriced glorified shoeboxes you usually have to share with someone to afford, and what high paying job you have still doesn't cover most of the costs. If people want to live in cities they can have them, but no way in hell would I let those people impose their will on people who don't live in cities. Just because you cram a bunch of people in a small era doesn't make you special. I don't even live in rural era, I live just outside of a city and I would sooner choose to live in rural than a city.

[@Odm1776]

@@julius-starktoo be fair in the state that I live in republicans constantly make life worse for the cities. They shoot down public transit funding, shoot down housing expansions, shoot down the reallocation of resources to education and civil help programs (both of which has been proven to decrease crime). They vote for subsidies for exerbs that literally wouldn’t be sustainable without taking money from the cities. I’m in favor of city states bc I’m tired of my tax dollars being spent subsidizing some dude who wants to live in the middle of nowhere. (I don’t knock him cause its none of my concern where you decide to live)