34. We Sold Our Sailboat! | Learning the Lines - DIY Sailing

After lending a hand on Lucidity, it was time to sell Somnium. Initially Taylor reached out to us via email after binge-watching all of our episodes. (Sidenote: I want to make a shirt that says "Learning the Lines - At the end of the rabbit hole where you want to be."). He fell in love with the idea of finishing Somnium and explained in his email that he wanted to buy her from us. After meeting for a beer and trying to talk Taylor out of buying Somnium... I just couldn't convince him otherwise. He was still interested and wanted to see her in person. That weekend I showed Somnium to him and showed him the good, the bad, and the ugly. His mind was made up.
I knew Taylor was a grad student and didn't have a crazy amount of cash. I also knew that we grossly overpaid when we initially bought Somnium. We ended up spending around $10,000 on her after buying the new engine. We also added around $10,000 worth of new equipment and work, mostly paid for by sponsorships, but it was still value nonetheless. Knowing all this, we offered the boat to Taylor for $3,000. In a way we wanted to pay our good fortune forward to him, and in a way we also wanted to help someone else out with a dream.
I know we "lost money" on Somnium. We get that. But it's all part of the cost of education in our minds. We earned invaluable knowledge and experience in exchange for the money we "lost."
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[@marcryvon]

Almost giving it free to Taylor is a Great human gesture ! You two are very decent persons. ❤️ As Orville rightly says down here, "the more that I give the more that comes back to me in my life ...".Being generous to thy neigbor is never wasted. 🤞👍

[@larryduran4019]

The Law of Reciprosity, it works!

[@davidsmith3736]

​@@larryduran4019But losing $42,000 is a high priçe to pay to someone who just a grad student.😊😊😊

[@midnightwalker4642]

I was really falling in love with Somnium as you fixed her up more and more. It felt like you were her guardian. Her steward. Her protector. You have the skills and passion to make her better than ever. But you may have taken on too much at once. There were too many unfinished projects underway at once, and perhaps that tarnished your relationship with her. It is sad that we will never see her become all that she could have been. On a positive note, you have taught all of us in KZbin Land some valuable lessons. As well as entertaining us. Thank-you 🙂

[@TeresaMom1]

I love how you guys number your videos. When I first start watching someones channel I like to watch the videos in order so It makes it much easier to know which video to watch next because your videos are numbered. I wish others would number their videos too. Thank you.

[@OrvilleHarmison]

You are in your 20's but have already started life off right when you passed it on ... I am 72 and have found the more that I give the more that comes back to me in my life ... I'm not talking just material things but in the quality of my life ... it truly is more blessed to give than receive. Having said that also let me pass on a lesson my older brother taught me after telling me how our grandfather had taught it to him. If someone wants to give you something never judge whether they can afford it or their reason, just accept and say "thank you", after he taught me that, he gave me a $50.00 check, that I would have turned down otherwise, he was sneaky that way LOL.

[@LearningtheLines]

A great life lesson, thanks for passing it along! We were happy that we were able to share our good fortune with someone else. We are so excited to see what Taylor accomplishes with Somnium. He's got big dreams for her.

[@OrvilleHarmison]

I hope he shares his progress with you and us ... it would be nice to see the work continue on Somnium after watching what you did with it.

[@LearningtheLines]

Obit 123 Yes, we are hoping to shoot little progress videos with Somnium. We'd love to help Taylor out with some of the work and get Somnium back in the water where she belongs.

[@janmalosh1822]

Obit 123 w

[@tWoforgamenot1]

cool hope he enjoy his new home :)

[@TonsAFun15]

The intro to this video... Ouch haha. Good on you both for paying your good fortune forward and letting this go for an amazing price, despite all the work and love you both put into her.

[@3DPDK]

I have looked over the basic drawings of the 272, and from my experience in boat building here's my comment for Taylor on taking out the forward bulk head. The main support for the hull sides (free-board) in the bow is the "V" berth frame work itself. The plane of the bed is just about half way from the keel to the deck and works like a lateral stringer. It keeps the sides of the hull from "oil canning" or rattling loose the deck in a pounding sea. The thwart-ship support for the "V" berth framework is the bulkhead, keeping the open end of the "V" from being pinched. In a house, walls hold up the roof, but although the bulkhead(s) in the boat offer some rigidity to the topside decks and deck-house, they are more for support for the hull... *except in this case, with a deck stepped mast* . Both forward bulkheads in the 272 transmit the torque of the mast on the deck above, down into the rest of the hull structure and framework. A little extra "beef" added to the open end of the berth will stabilize the "V", but mast support in the topside deck is the main concern here. The bulkhead(s) can be removed if they are replaced with a fairly hefty rib or overhead beam (head knocker) that are either glassed in to the overhead or (preferably) through bolted through the top deck. It would need to curve around and tie into the framework of the interior deck and hull stringers. This connection to existing framework carries the mast's torque down to the keel. A beam rib could be fabricated by layering several 3/4" or 1" marine grade plywood to build up a 4" x 4" beam (intuitive engineering on this). The most difficult area would be how to transition under the horizontal side deck. If you abruptly change direction in the beam to go flat under this area (picture an ox bow) you create a breaking point in the beam. A modified arch is the shape you want here. In this boat, most of the interior structure can be altered safely without a lot of re-engineering, but in the 272 these two bulkheads are the most important structure because they disburse the large forces that build up at the base of the mast away from the top deck. If you proceed, do NOT go "cheaply"! Over-engineer anything you do in this two feet of the boat.

[@LearningtheLines]

3DPDK Thank you for another thoughtful response! We are going to pass your suggestions on to Taylor. When inside the boat it seems like the more aft bulkheads are doing the majority of the work, but from your response it seems the forward ones are essentially just as important?

[@3DPDK]

You are correct that the structure around the companion way is a major hull support. The complex shapes that all come together in this area add a lot of rigidity to the deck and keeps the hull from collapsing inward. If this was a keel stepped mast, the forward bulkhead isn't as critical and can be moved or replace with a light rib without much loss of structural integrity. From what I see the 272 has a quarter berth. Maybe Taylor should consider that for sleeping. The one thing a hard core sailor learns is that life on a boat (usually) means minimum sleeping space.

[@Barsprojects]

I might be mistaken but I didn't hear anything about Taylor going sailing. If Taylor is only interested in living in the harbour (or motoring), he wouldn't need the bulkhead maybe? and step the mast down? What about some vertical posts instead of bulkheads? Just a thought. Thank you guys and congrats, Taylor!

[@3DPDK]

This is just my opinion, but if you decided to buy a camper as a temporary housing solution, knowing it was temporary (housing while attending college), would you pull the motor, transmission and fuel tank out just to add some storage space, or would you leave it in tact to ensure it will sell to the next guy when the time comes. Actually, having a post under the mast and attaching to the keel is a legitimate solution if the connection points, mast base and keel mount, are built to withstand the pressure of sailing. The trade off is having a large post in the middle of the passageway from salon to forward berth. There's more than one solution, but simply tearing things out regardless of the boats original purpose, pretty much relegates the boat to spending the rest of it's useful days as floating housing (and really very small in this case) and buyers for such a thing are few and far between.

[@LearningtheLines]

Taylor does plan on sailing the boat as well. Jordan did recommend using the quarter berth as a place to sleep, so Taylor is considering that option as well. He wants to have a large battery bank because he is now considering an electric motor. He's certainly thinking about all the possibilities. I think all of this feedback will give him even more to think of. Lol.

[@user-earthandfire]

That was a classic start to the Video !!

[@LearningtheLines]

Lol we thought so! Thanks for watching!

[@shanemerrick8974]

Congratulations on the new boat. Don't think of the the Somnium as a loss but more as a life lesson. In the beginning it was exciting to get the Somnium in the water and just have fun. Yes things needed fixed and or replaced and one thing led to another and by the end, you didn't even want to work on it judging by the look on your faces. As Taylor said, it was "At the end of the rabbit hole." Those are the life lessons that you can look back on when you start to fix or repair your new boat. When you put the Somnium on land, you came up with a priority list. Make one before you start on the new boat such as the stairs and take one project at a time. I look forward to the next adventure.

[@LearningtheLines]

Thanks for the input! Somnium certainly taught us a lot of lessons, and we agree with the one project at a time mentality now. We want to keep Freebie usable as we continue to work on projects on her.

[@ekaterinacherkez9360]

That area is a molded fiberglass liner that was tabbed to the hull after it came from the mold, it's a not integral to the hull but does provide some support similar to a bulkhead would. I'd suggest inspecting the tabbing to see if it's in good shape, dig around for any rot in your floor beams. If you don't notice anything I'd just monitor it and see if it gets worse. If not just live with it, its a 30 some year old boat and things shift and flex but the boats not going to sink because of this.

[@LearningtheLines]

Ekaterina Cherkez Thanks for the feedback! We will have to figure out where we can see the tabbing to investigate it. Jordan may already know, so I'll pass this info on to him.

[@devoncarter9062]

I'd had some experience with ferro cement for various home projects ( mix by weight 2:1:one half ), fine-sand, cement,water). The old deck could theoretically be used as a form for a very thin ferro-cement deck 10mm, ditto for the bukheads you need to strengthen. With some neat cement its waterproof and very strong.

[@rl2109]

Mixed feelings about the end of your journey on the Somnium, but I guess I can be happy for the two of you AND for Taylor...! Good luck, and may God bless us all...!

[@rdbchurnowski]

Probably water damage from rain right below hatch. Counter top warped. Hatch is letting water in, you can check it with a hose. The fact that the stairs fell apart is a clear indication of rot. You have to find out how extensive it is. Check all the wood.....everywhere.

[@LearningtheLines]

jackel19 Thanks for the feedback! You're right, it makes sense that the condition of the stairs is due to water damage/rot. We will have to investigate the companion way for leaks.

[@rdbchurnowski]

Learning the Lines While your at it. 1. change out the mixing elbow, not that hard. 2.replace engine belts, water pump if has rust., check hoses, exhaust hose. 3. Plan to replace batteries. 4. Order spare starter/solenoid, cheap on amazon. Replace electronics as needed, get a garmin gps. If your planning on getting a spare anchor get a Manson holds bettet then any on market. This is just a short list. B.O.A.T. break out another thousand.

[@rdbchurnowski]

You should probably have it hauled out for fresh paint and new zincs.

[@LearningtheLines]

Do you think we would need to replace the mixing elbow with such a new engine? It only has about 300 hours now. I do think replacing the belts should be considered. We will check the water pump for rust and look over the hoses. We actually took the batteries from Somnium to Freebie. We will look into getting a spare starter. We've got a Garmin GPS for the boat. We will have to look into Manson anchors. We loved our old Rocna anchor.

[@rdbchurnowski]

Forgot you had a new engine. If your going to Caribbean, I would take some spares. I would check mixing elbow anyway to see if clogged up. Mine was destroying impellers, pinky size opening. Build up of baked on minerals, rock hard.

[@just-dl]

Hey, guys! Congrats on finding a [rabbit hole visitor]! I'm glad you guys gave Taylor such a sweet deal. The way I look at it, you gave him the boat, and reimbursed you for some of the gear you put into it. Glad you took that approach! If the problem is not structural, perhaps you could connect some metal L-brackets along the top of the fiberglass, at various heights, so the overall affect is the horizontal pieces of the brackets are all level (with each other) and mount the counter top to that. obviously, if there's a structural issue causing the f/g to sag, that needs to be addressed. Good luck w/that!

[@LearningtheLines]

Thanks for the feedback! We're the bottom of the rabbit hole where you want to be! Lol. I'm 90% sure the problem with the counter is just cosmetic but I'll be doing a thorough inspection soon and we'll most likely just make sure when the new counter is installed we'll do something like what you suggested to make it level.

[@edl617]

The forward bulkheads provide structal support for the mast.

[@massimomarinelli5303]

Hi guys, older Endeavours are known for water intrusion thru the companion way. It is possible that your countertop is no longer level because of the water drops coming in from the entryway... That would explain as well why the steps failed from under you. I had water intrusion issues on all the portholes and the entryway on my 1976 Endeavour 32 Aspara and had to replace them all. Great work, good luck !

[@LearningtheLines]

Thank you for the input! I think this is likely the issue as well. The portlights are surely an issue as well. Looking into replacements.

[@salmonhunter7414]

Very nicely done guys. Glad you payed it forward.

[@LearningtheLines]

Thanks you and thanks for watching!

[@GypsyTinker2012]

You got it right! The knowledge you gain and the people you meet are the real value in this lifestyle. Good on ya! The counter top angle may be due to hull twist. Either in an incident or over time, the liner has shifted higher on the port side. Check for gaps on the starboard side top of the liner. Not sure what you can do, but try to twist the hull the other way.

[@LearningtheLines]

Thanks for the input! We will do some further investigation for sure.

[@Riptides99]

It’s great to see you guys all coming together to help each other out. Great advice has already been mentioned on both questions in the comments. Can’t wait to see what what the issue is and how you guys tackle it.

[@LearningtheLines]

Riptides Thanks for watching! Love getting to spend some time with Ryan and Kelsey. They're great people.

[@spinnaker5514]

I could be wrong, but I think those two buikheads act as a compression post for the mast. If you were to remove both of them, I think you would need to add a compression post. The other thing I have seen done is construct a custom beam that is scribed along the cabin top and then supported at each end. This opens the entire front of the boat up but still supports the compression of the mast. Remember, the force is multiplied many times on the mast base when the boat is actually underway. I think a good example of what I am talking about is the Capri 18 or 22 sailboat. Good luck!! That will give you a very nice large berth area. You could possibly fit a pullman style berth in there with a bench chair if you do that. I can't wait to see it. Please encourage him to start a video of the work which is what I love best about KZbin! Thanks Guys and Happy New Year!!!

[@LearningtheLines]

I may convince him to document... and if not we'll definitely visit Somnium again and film. Thanks for watching and for the feedback!

[@myInameIi3Iwhat]

I am from Florida, moved to SF bay in 2013. It's funny, I never owned a boat in Florida, but I am seriously hunting a perfect live aboard anywhere in the Bay. I started with AC, and then caught on to your videos. Great stuff! I have an office at Jack London square, Oakland; and another one on Pier 80 (Cesar Cavez), SF. I will find a perfect live aboard!

[@LearningtheLines]

Makes total sense. The cost of living in San Fran is too damn high!

[@davidsmith3736]

Make sure the stairs are level then deal with the countertop if possible.

[@johnmendez5730]

I agree they're Structure, he could modify them to Open them up a little but do not remove otherwise hull will no longer have the minimum rigidity.

[@myInameIi3Iwhat]

I am so glad to read that you "paid it forward". This community is full of people who are wonderful, and people trying to scam you? I have been in SF Bay for 5 years now, and moved here from Fort Myers. I miss home! (Still have a Fla Driver license!) Anyway, i will be looking for my live aboard, soon. Started my knowledge quest with the AC crew, discovering your channel there. Thank you! Please, please: Keep them coming!

[@LearningtheLines]

Thanks so much for watching and the feedback!

[@fissh29]

Me and my boat are at the bottom of the rabbit hole...but not at the bottom of the sea, Hahahahahaha...great job guys, hope Taylor follows through...pretty sure if he just moves bulkheads forward and cuts them back, tabs then to hull, he'll be good...Glad you didn't get hurt, so lucky...favorable winds

[@LearningtheLines]

Thanks for the feedback! I really want to make that shirt that says "Learning the Lines - At the bottom of the rabbit hole you want to be," lol.

[@richardsivley6106]

Have watched several of your voids and just subscribed. Thanks for sharing. Ok

[@OrvilleHarmison]

Check very thoroughly for hidden rot in your bilge in that area and under the motor. If it's wood you can check by taking a sharp flat blade screwdriver and pushing it into the wood, if it's solid it doesn't go more than a 1/8th of an inch deep. ... if you don't find any then I would put it down to a poor production issue, level your countertop and get on with getting Freeby ready to sail. (I have over 40 years in construction).

[@LearningtheLines]

Obit 123 That's along the lines of what I was thinking. I want to get a good look in the bilge area for issues. I was thinking it might be that the cabin sole was sagging due to lack of support (from rotting issues). I'm almost hoping it's just poor production quality though. Lol. We will explore more next time we go out there.

[@OrvilleHarmison]

I almost wish I was there helping you solve the problem lol... it will be interesting to see what you find. I'm really enjoying your video's, you are on the right track, just keep plugging away . It took a lot of guts & common sense to change boats, not too many would be willing to do that.

[@LearningtheLines]

Obit 123 Thank you! It was difficult handing over Somnium after putting so much work into her, but we can see that this boat will be a better fit for us and Somnium is in good hands. :)

[@flxsuki]

Sup im a 19 year old from new york, love your vids!! Me and my GF want to move onto a sailboat and head down to Florida! We dont like the city life and want to live free on the open ocean! Thanks for putting up videos ive been watching for a while now and you guys remind us of us lol !!! Fair winds and following seas

[@LearningtheLines]

Great to hear from you glad you're enjoying the videos! Thanks for watching!

[@gocanada9749]

In the 90's I had a 40ft ULDB racer and paid $75 a month for a private slip. Today I'd have to pay about $400 ! That is part of what KILLED sailing and boats in general

[@McFingal]

Very cool that you gave him such a good deal on the boat. I’ve recently purchased my first boat and am now living on it. Still in love with it so far, but need to get cruising soon. Refitting the aft stateroom, lots of mold and wood rot from a clogged scupper. It’s called maintenance people, just do it!

[@LearningtheLines]

Hopefully you clean the mold well! Glad to hear you still love your boat!

[@McFingal]

Learning the Lines 25 bags of trash, and I’m still working to get it clean.. I know they didn’t live on it, but surely they could’ve seen all of the moldy linens and curtains. Oh well having fun working and cleaning. Stay safe.

[@LearningtheLines]

You as well!

[@fastslick3039]

Contact the manufacturer if you plan on moving any bulkheads.

[@unclebob6728]

Re: Structural concerns. My suggestion is to get a survey, and ask the surveyor Use the survey as a punch list to address any issues . It will be worth the money. Be there for the survey.

[@LearningtheLines]

Uncle Bob Thanks for the input! We'll consider getting another survey. We need to pull out the survey from the previous sale to see if this issue was addressed there as well.

[@The1vision]

The uneven countertop is definitely significant. Approximately 35 years ago I was working as a carpenter on a Gov't Houseboat made from 1/4" aluminum sheathing welded together. Apparent;ly it was some top secret houseboat , at the time, headed for the persian gulf. Anyway I was given the task of properly lining the interior aluminum with wood and sometimes it was pine which demanded a complete lining keeping the wood from touching aluminum whenever pine was used as in framing. A task at hand demanded I line this closet with plywood and whomever welded the closet together really screwed up because no two sides/walls were the same measurements. Rather than questioning why which they normally would not answer anyway I spent the better part of an evening shift with great difficulty lining this closet and in the morning when the head of the project showed up for work I was fired for not realizing everything should have been equal in measurements. You know damned if you do and damned if you don"t. I do love writing and communicating. My point is the counters should be perfectly matched from one side to the other. I would inspect what is below and behind each part of that countertop till you find out what is creating the uneven dimensions and that should help get to the bottom of this mystery. I tend to doubt it was presented to the original owner in that condition. You see. Good Luck and than ks for all the sharing.

[@Nerd3927]

Paying it forward is really cool! Well done!

[@LearningtheLines]

Thank you!

[@mazdarx7887]

You have to look around to see if there is any indication of sagging. Severe cracking of interior fglass moulding. Pull up as much of sole to inspect stringers and frames. If things dont look right, pull the boat out and set as per boats drawings, check for alignment, levelness and sagging. It may just be how the boat was put together but it don't hurt to sound it

[@LearningtheLines]

Mazda rx7 Thanks for the input! We will attempt to investigate the stringers next time we're there.

[@ericbjorklund112]

Check out Sailing Zero, a few episodes back, where he had a compression post issue which he then rebuilt. Could be a similar problem from just looking at the pics.

[@mazdarx7887]

Compression post (if it has one and not keel stepped) is forward, not aft where the problem may be.

[@ericbjorklund112]

Mazda rx7 it’s a ketch. But, you’re right.

[@lancedaniels]

So glad for you that you were able to transfer Somnium to a new and enthusiastic owner!

[@LearningtheLines]

We are glad he loves her!

[@karitane]

Nice Vlog guys. Looking fwd to the next one

[@LearningtheLines]

Thank you!

[@aeroneitzen7129]

Hi there I'm answering your question for the counter top not been level. From what I can see it is nothing to worry about as it is probably the counter top warping over time as people use as part of the stair way. If you guys have any questions just give a shout out. :)

[@krrrruptidsoless]

Did you do a follow-up on seeing how he was liking it and how he got along and how it looks now. And see if he attacks you for having bought your used boat.....😆

[@sailingdaddy8027]

So, I commented on another video before I remembered you sold Somnium to Taylor. I saw Somnium while I was walking around the yard waiting for paint to dry on my boat, so crazy!

[@LearningtheLines]

That is too funny! How long do you think your boat will need to be at the yard? We were talking to Taylor about helping him with bottom paint at some point. We may see you there!

[@Georgesadventure]

Had been following Abandon Comfort for a while and now found your channel. Subscribed, really enjoying seeing you guys getting ready to sail. Started watching the "Disabled Patreon" and have now watched up to this one. Will be watching older episodes too. Good luck with your adventure

[@LearningtheLines]

Thank you for the feedback! Glad to see you are enjoying the channel. :)

[@brianp3869]

Your trading skills are just like mine. Buy high, do a bunch of work and spend money, then sell it at a loss. I know the feeling. Honestly with the boat being in the middle of a restoration that's about all you could expect. Having said that, if Troy? is handy with his hands and can finish the project he will have a really nice boat when finished. Lots of new stuff on that boat! Anyways congrats on the new boat and congrats on selling the other one. Keep up the good work.

[@locomotive3845]

That doesn't sound like what I've seen following this vlog. but then again my mother always priced her yard sales so high I had to put everything back in the shed. They didn't need two boats to carry insurance and storage on the hard on.

[@LearningtheLines]

The biggest thing for us was paying it forward as well as not having to pay storage and insurance anymore. We did lose money on Somnium but it's the cost of a great education! Thanks for watching!

[@Richdudevids]

mazda rx 7 is spot on ,get in every nook and craves, look for rot look for anything that just dont look right pull it the boat out on the hard give he ra good going over and fix it now,, thanks for shareing good luck to ya.

[@LearningtheLines]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@colinbailey259]

A possible option for Taylor to consider rather than bulkhead removal is the creation of a trotter box into the locker area. It would have to be built sufficiently strongly to carry the loads as already mentioned by 3DPDK but when not being used as foot room can be used for storing the bedding. It would mean sleeping with his head at the bow which may preclude double occupancy.

[@LearningtheLines]

That's an interesting idea. I'll be sure to let him know!

[@RJ-rn3uv]

You can run a support under the counter to level it up/ Then run some trim wood under the counter in the front to clean uo th look and hide any imperfections. Stain it to match the boat and it should look like it was made that way.

[@LearningtheLines]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@snakeplisken4278]

Taylor, should NOT remove those bulkheads. They are there to absorb mast compression. Btw, what is the depth of those slips at low tide? Is water and electricity included? Liveaboard allowed? Parking for car?

[@LearningtheLines]

I believe around 10 feet at low tide. Water and electricity is an extra $30.00 a month flat fee. No living aboard allowed but yes there is parking. No real amenities like bathrooms/showers/etc. It's basically just boat storage.

[@jhendric98]

I’m watching craigslist still. We’re still just starting out. It’s going to be fun watching how you tackle this project. I may need that slip soon. Who knows!

[@LearningtheLines]

Jim Hendricks Wishing you the best! Hopefully we'll be slip neighbors soon. :)

[@brent4612]

Loving your channel, and great to hear Jordan's now talking about "our boat" not "my boat" 😉

[@LearningtheLines]

Lol I notice I correct myself every time I say "my boat" now.

[@stevemadak6255]

You guys are the epitome of dont do it like this

[@Kemxt]

Once again glad you guys got that endeavour. Hope Taylor enjoys somnium. I would check the stringers under that cabinet to make sure they haven't been damaged which may have caused the unlevel part. If it isn't soft and feels firm it's probably not to big of an issue. Good Luck!

[@LearningtheLines]

Kemxt Thanks for the feedback! We will definitely be investigating the stringers. We're excited for Taylor as well! Can't wait to see his progress with Somnium.

[@nathanw851]

Guys, I love this video. It's ten years since I moved on to my first boat, and it was awesome to reminisce over those first intrepid steps to a life afloat. Bon vent to all you. p.s. on the bulkhead - there be dragons. I have carefully relocated a bulkhead before, but never cut one out, but regardless, it's a job that will make the boat uninhabitable. So much GRP dust, and mess. I'd advise leaving it be. Perhaps an infill for the vee berth would suffice?

[@oneeye19799]

Great video thank you. I have just come across your channel. Really liking the videos. Regards Richard.

[@zacharyschweter6466]

forward bulkheads on a cabin top that is not flush are very important!

[@stargatepioneer]

Congrats for selling Somnium! I know it must have been hard to give her up mid-projects like you did (not to mention the financial hit) but now you con concentrate your efforts on the boat you want to keep (for now). Hopefully you can check in with Taylor from time to time to get a few updates as he continues to work on Somnium when he can (time and money dependent, of course). Enjoy the new Dremel! New tools are always awesome to score Thanks for the video and I’m looking forward to your next one already.

[@LearningtheLines]

Thanks so much for the feedback! We'll definitely be checking in with Taylor periodically and perhaps giving little video updates on the channel as well!

[@symphonyfarm2009]

Taylor isn't the only one!! I have heard about this up on Lake Champlain for UVM and St Mikes. Student housing is sonically inflated! Same amount of money, if not cheaper, and you end up with an asset!

[@LearningtheLines]

It's definitely a cool way to live if you're a student! Being able to take your house out for a sail every now and then was definitely not something I could do while I was at UCF.

[@symphonyfarm2009]

I went to Montana State... no living on a sail boat there.... But the national forest was an option!!

[@whitefam2000]

My son had an interesting question, Could it be that when the motor was taken out to be rebuilt that while they had the counter top off they may have trimmed the fiberglass support on the sink side, then just put it back and over time with moisture the stair rails ended up resting on the counter at just about the breaking point? You just happened to be the last straw so to speak. You see it as soon as you pulled up the counter if that were the case. You probably have it solved already, but that was the first thing that came up. We haven't done boats, but we work on buses and old diesel cars. So moving, or cutting something out of the way is sometimes necessary, and when it gets put back it's not always completely right.

[@LearningtheLines]

I think you're on to something here.

[@organicrich]

Good vibes for you both .

[@LearningtheLines]

Thank you!

[@TheMRjakob]

ive worked as a boat builder in denmark for 2 years, in my opinion i really don't think there should be anything structurally wrong unless you can find some huge cracks or lifting of fiberglass layers... i would definitely not be concerned, especially since thats a gangway, put a new countertop in and meaby try to force the fiberglass in alignment or put some reinforcements in for your own piece of mind, if your concerned about the alignment getting worse :-)

[@LearningtheLines]

Thanks for the input! We are going to investigate a bit further, but have not found any damage to the fiberglass yet.

[@tizwicky]

All bulkheads on that boat are structual and can't be removed without consequences.

[@MrRourk]

tizwicky old wives tale. Can be done but you need engineering skills and to be a master craftsman.

[@LearningtheLines]

tizwicky Thanks for the feedback!

[@1Howdy1]

You can remove a bulkhead - as long as you replace it with one just like it.

[@fastslick3039]

I think there working with a 26 foot day sailor.

[@nickviner1225]

X2 Do NOT remove those bulkheads they support the deck and the hull sides.

[@robertevans1996]

At first glance it appears those bulkheads act as a compression post for the mast. You could remove them but you would need to install a support beam glassed into the deckhead. I would consider installing new bulkheads aft . Do this BEFORE removing the existing bulkheads and slack off the shrouds and stays, this will prevent distortion of the deckhead.

[@LearningtheLines]

There is definitely a compression post that's attached to the more aft bulkheads. Whether or not the two forward ones he wants to remove provide any support I think is still up for debate. Better to be safe than sorry and install a support beam as you're suggesting. Thanks for the feedback!

[@hrkid53]

I could be wrong but if I pause the video and look at you counter tops it looks like it has a dip in the middle where the companion way stairs are. If i had to guess by simply looking at that freeze frame and with the way your steps collapsed i would think possibly after years of walking across the counter to enter the galley that it has simply pushed the middle down and pulled the sides in. I would probably put a new counter in and really reinforce that opening above the motor to support the wear and tear.

[@LearningtheLines]

hrkid53 I hope you're right! That would be nothing to worry about.

[@hrkid53]

Put a straight edge on top of the counter and ill bet there is a big dip in the middle.

[@pinstripingbybear.]

hrkid53 I fully agree with you on this I would say the countertop is out of whack after years of being walked on water soaking into the MDF I would replace that I don't believe you would have a structural sag on that side unless you have wood rot underneath the fiberglass somewhere on the left side of the stairs... I would definitely pull the countertop run a level from side to side of the fiberglass and see where that gives you

[@3DPDK]

I agree. The difference in height is an optical illusion. Unfortunately a level is pretty much a useless tool on a boat. The culprit is a warped (probably plywood) counter top. Like hrkid53 says, it has bent from carrying the load of the ladder. If the deck support structure is that bad you would see it spring as you step on the deck around the engine enclosure. A new counter and maybe a little heftier cross support underneath is probably the answer. Part of the trick to marine cabinetry is not "ruler accuracy" but "making it look right" ;)

[@Nerd3927]

That is what I was going to write. It is always hard to identity the real issues and the one's that grab your attention first.

[@BruceInFlorida]

I would be hesitant to remove those bulkheads. On a boat that small, most horizontal and vertical structures do not occur merely for cosmetic reasons, but are all tied in to form the engineering design of the hull. You are concerned with a counter top that might be out of alignment? So too, I would be concerned with Taylor's removal of two large, interior bulkheads.

[@LearningtheLines]

Bruce Malo Thanks for the input. It seems most of the commenters so far agree that these bulkheads would be structural. Do you think adapting the bulkheads to some sort of shelving unit that also provides support would be sufficient?

[@woodsmn8047]

counter top is wood and it's warped from being wet

[@theislandpackrat]

I found on my boat that I have 6" more room by sleeping sideways in the bunk ( side to side) Then more space for cloths in the front.

[@LearningtheLines]

I'm not sure if Taylor would be able to fit in the V berth if he slept sideways. I could be wrong though. Thanks for watching!

[@westpur]

Sure removed the wood deck the hard way. Flat nose shovel is the easy way to pop them boards up.

[@3DPDK]

One more comment on this one, guys - that fall looked like it hurt. I could feel that one in my own tail bone just watching you hit the deck. From an ol' salty dog (from whom I learned) "... always - one hand for the boat; one hand for the sailor." holding on to the hatch would have saved your a$$! ;) Even after you fix it, companionway ladders can get slippery when wet.

[@LearningtheLines]

Typically I hold on a lot more when under way. I wasn't expecting this to happen at the slip! Thanks for the feedback!

[@3DPDK]

;D I'm not really the "nervous Nelly" type. It was just a good place to put out a word of wisdom I learned from an old, one legged Mississippi shrimper who learned the hard way. But I will say this - I remember a statistic from my weekly, Coast Guard required (wink, wink), Safety Training Meetings on my supply boat, that some higher than expected percentage, like 75% of serious injuries on vessels of all types, happen while in port and pier side. I think it's because of exactly what you said; it happens where you least expect it and aren't concerned about pitching and rolling decks.

[@LearningtheLines]

That actually makes a lot of sense. People tend to be a bit more careless when they are "comfortable". We'll try to be a little more cautious, even in the slip.

[@JCAJCA3]

Really enjoyed the video. I think a Survey is in order? I think you two are doing great! GOD bless. JC

[@LearningtheLines]

Perhaps when we haul her out next season. Thanks for watching!

[@lyfandeth]

To do it once and do it right, examine those stair dupports all the way down to the hull. If nothing has rotted or cracked, just build the new to accomodate. Assume nothing, trust nothing. And vonsider new stros thst are curved or angled, Beneteau style, so the outer piece of each step is 'flat' when you are heeled. SO much nicer when you are really sailing, very little more effort when you are building anyway.

[@lyfandeth]

Stros? Steps. Thst? That. Sorry, fat fingers.

[@LearningtheLines]

Thanks for the input! We had to make temporary stairs for now, but will keep your suggestions in mind for the permanent fix down the road.

[@bobbybaldeagle702]

What size is your boat it looks so little sitting in the dock??? It was a great video it was good seeing all you kids playing well together tearing that deck apart!!! Good show. Thanks for sharing this video. Keep up the fun... Be blessed... BBE

[@LearningtheLines]

It's 32 feet. Thanks for the feedback!

[@Jakfilm]

I had the same fall on my E32. My steps didn't fall apart, they had been improperly latched into place. Owch. 2-1/2 feet is sometimes a long way down.

[@LearningtheLines]

Lol yes and surprising!

[@virtual_warbirds]

I'm replacing rotten stringers, bulkhead, and transom on a power boat right now and it is very time consuming. Hope your boat is okay. To me, it looks like the engine is supported by a fiberglass grid, not wood coated in fiberglass. The counter top is definitely being through off by lack of proper support from underneath. I'm thinking you have a sagging stringer something causing this. Go ahead and knock on the entirety of the structure underneath the engine with a hammer. Solid= good. Hollow sounding=rotten.

[@LearningtheLines]

Thanks for the feedback. I think a thorough inspection is in order!

[@mazdarx7887]

Been looking at pics of Endeavour 32's on line, it looks like what your seeing is normal. It appears that the port counter is slightly higher than the stbd counter, giving it the appearance of sagging. Since the interior is a one piece drop in component, it should be easy to see sagging by looking for severe cracking in the fiberglass. Just google your boat and look at the pics. TTFN

[@LearningtheLines]

Thanks for the info! I think I'm a little less worried about it after I read so many comments. I am however going to be checking the supporting structure with a fine tooth comb, just to be sure.

[@brentparks2292]

I’d say removing bulkheads on that boat would be bad as they are all structural!

[@rjd048]

As far as the counter top not being level it was probably a flaw from the the factory that was not noticeable. The up right on the port side can be trimmed at the top to get thee counter top level. Your structural integrity is probably all good. As when they bond the inner hull to the outer hul the two aren't perfectly level and at times cause this counter not being true level. Also it may be an optical illusion and she is listing to starboard and making it look unlevel. Do some measuring from floor to counter and from ceiling to counter.

[@LearningtheLines]

Thanks for the input! We'll have to do some tests and measurements.

[@dgeorge852]

I had a Columbia 44 which my business partner kept leaving the back stay too tight on. It eventually buckled the deck fiberglass. Cost 12,000 back in the late 80's to reinforce. Not repair. Just reinforce. In your case, the shrouds could have been out of balance for a very long time and has buckled one side of the hull. Only a structural marine engineer would be able to tell and suggest a fix. I hope it's just part of the boat's design on the cabinets.

[@MrRourk]

Good on you guys for paying it forward. Come on Karma be nice to them.

[@LearningtheLines]

Fredrick Rourk Thank you!

[@douggainey]

Can we get an update on how this boat turned out?

[@DaddytechEnt]

*the new boat you have to remember you're starting out pretty much where you started out with Somnia all over again. so it's time to B.O.A.T. as you said in your earlier videos Break Out Another Thosand. lol at least now you have some decent tools so this time around it shouldn't be as bad for either of you. and this boat has more room on it so you won't be AS cramped in it*

[@MrRourk]

Spend the money on heat reflective marine paint. It is a lifesaver.

[@LearningtheLines]

Fredrick Rourk We will have to look into that. Can't say I've heard of it.

[@latitudeash]

Prop it under the low end nor the hull area. A wedge fixed in should fine

[@RedemptionReady]

Rather than remove them... Cut into them to elongate the entry. You still want crush force to hold that mast and deck up, and that bulkhead is doing just that. But you can make the opening larger and start the V-berth at the first bulkhead. This then gives him a great anchor to put in some shelves, no cabinets as they'll hold moisture. Stainless Wire Racks cut up to fit work great. Ok. Now onto your boat... I have seen this. It MAY be just age and the fact that the boats glass is flexible. My 36' Beneteau aft cabin door will NOT latch when it's on jack stands. Won't. Put her in the water and it latches fine. Why? Fiberglass is flexible. That counter was never reinforced properly when it was built. Back then they thought maybe it would hold shape but over time it flexed and moved. I wouldn't worry about it at all. These production boats do this and they have to because of the environment they are in. Submarines produced today are narrower in the ocean depths then at the surface. Would I reinforce it. Yep but I would do it in the natural state, as in, in the water not on dry dock. I did a Helms galley rebuild on dry dock and it was perfect, absolutely perfect. Put her in the water and by the end of the season the drawer wouldn't close right and the steps creaked.

[@LearningtheLines]

Great advice. Thanks for watching and giving us much to think about!

[@jimjardine4705]

Just plane the under structure under the bench top. It will then be level and ok.

[@buddybopper561]

That dude looks just like James Tylor , holy smoke .

[@SailingNorma]

A nothing good one.!! Thanks so much.! A better get started editing. Good winds from SailingNorma

[@LearningtheLines]

Thanks for watching, fair winds!

[@davidsmith3736]

If Taylor really wanted the boat you should have sold it for $45000 to recoup your costs.😊

[@craigconway4093]

Now Taylor will have a KZbin channel as well :)

[@LearningtheLines]

Maybe with some convincing, but as of right now he is not planning on it. Too busy with school and work at this time.

[@allynonderdonk7577]

Not level is OK. I'll bet your boat had a lot of hand laid glass and sometimes things just don't come out perfect. I've installed lots of kitchen cabinets and as long as you have shims and a dream usually new counter tops aren't so bad. You will likely need to have several sections made up to get it through the companionway. Don't expect perfection, but you can for sure get it just about right if you work at it!!

[@LearningtheLines]

Allyn Onderdonk I hope you're right about just an error in laying fiber glass! Thanks for watching!

[@karitane]

Maybe the previous guys put a heavy object when either putting something in the boat or taking something out. Is it just at the front where it is bent down. Suggest investigation. Lut us know on your next Vlog or when you repair it.

[@LearningtheLines]

We will definitely be exploring further. Had a lot of suggestions of possible causes.

[@farmfreshcustoms2227]

i think at one time it sat for a long time on stands on land and there werent enuf stands.. dont be too alarmed its just an old boat but have it looked at in the near future always alwasy get a second opinion or more

[@LearningtheLines]

Thanks for the input!

[@svespritlibre7192]

What year is the boat? On my E32 my companion way stairs are made of fg. I will post a pic on your fb so you can see. The issue with the counter top could of been caused during the repower. The counter top has to either be removed or cut. Look at the low side and see if it looks to of been cut at the top. Any questions feel free to get I. Touch with me. I am in Punta Gorda.

[@seangreene64]

Look under the floor. See what supports that area.

[@LearningtheLines]

We will be exploring and investigating next time we are both out there.

[@robertdupreyjr9540]

That is the V of the boat

[@AndysEastCoastAdventures]

The interior might have twisted over time from the hull stresses or when it was lifted out at some point.

[@LearningtheLines]

That's what a few people have suggested. Strong possibility.

[@dereknicholson4831]

Although you got the 'new' boat for free, I'd suggest that you spend a few $$$ to get a survey done, especially since you now suspect there might be structural issues. Maybe you're finding out why it was free.

[@locomotive3845]

Better safe than sorry, free or not. I gave away a 1991 Sea Ray 225, very nice boat. I just got tired of maintenance, and that she wasn't available to cruse anymore

[@svbarryduckworth628]

Free boats can get very expensive when thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours are poured into them only to find down the road some no-go issue with the hull or keel that makes the boat junk or so far gone that repairs are not worth the effort once it is fixed. A surveyor could have spotted the issue before good money and time were poured into a boat that was destined for the chopper regardless.

[@LearningtheLines]

We'll definitely haul the boat at some point and do a thorough inspection. I don't feel that there's anything that would make this boat a no-go at this point though. E32's are very solidly built boats. There may be some water damage to some cosmetic stuff on the inside, but the hull is solid glass and the deck is sound.

[@svbarryduckworth628]

Good to hear. Wet cores are nightmares on boats, as are broken/damaged stringers. Wet cores in decks are fairly major too, but if you are willing to get your hands dirty they are fixable.

[@MrRourk]

Could be she ran aground and is now shifted. Or it could be from sitting on the stands for a long time. I have heard of boats twisting out of shape from sitting on stands to long. Only way to know. Pull up the sole and take some measurements.

[@LearningtheLines]

Fredrick Rourk Great feedback! I had not heard of this twisting issue before so we will look into that and take some measurements.

[@chaddthompson]

This can definitely happen from sitting on a cradle/boat stands for an extended period of time. What will happen is if sat on the hard for a long time and the aft end of the boat isn't properly supported either the keel can compress the hull and cause shifting of interior fiberglass or if the cradle/stand was putting too much pressure it that area it can also compress the hull and cause the same shifting of interior fiberglass. It is generally called Oil canning and if you do a google search for keel oil canning you will find some info on it.

[@LearningtheLines]

Thank you for the information!

[@kduborg]

You sold a boat to Harry Potter! SO cool! (just joke'in - not to be rude). Is excited to follow the project. I assume that you have NOT had a professional inspection of the new boat? A tip .... get the boat checked as thoroughly as possible in all joints and edges - rather get all the surprises now than continuously during the renovation.

[@LearningtheLines]

Nope no survey. We'll probably get it inspected the first time we haul it but it may be a season before then.

[@smacksman1]

At least the counter top is draining into the sink.

[@LearningtheLines]

Haha, that's true.

[@davidcarper1271]

Do not tear this boat apart. Simply fix the steps. You won’t go anywhere If you don’t leave. And you can’t leave if you r rebuilding everything. Endeavor made a good strong vessel. If you have some fiberglass tabbing in that area that needs reinforcing that should be reasonable to expect with the stepping loads there. Also tell that dude that bought your boat to leave those bulkheads alone. I am sure the structural integrity of the vessel relies on those bulkheads. I would suspect they are tied to the mast step.

[@LearningtheLines]

Thanks for the feedback. We're definitely not going to simply "tear it apart" this time. We'll work on improving everything while keeping the downtime to a minimum.

[@johnschmidt5330]

Where did you pick up the dremel combo set?

[@LearningtheLines]

Home Depot

[@pamelasmith8675]

Maybe as simple as not level so water drains into the sink and does not pool and cause rot.

[@LearningtheLines]

That could be why it's slightly slanted towards the sink. I hadn't thought of that. Thanks for the feedback!