$350 Hunting Rifle vs $1,000 vs $3,000 - What you Actually Get for the Price

How much does the quality of a hunting rifle improve with price? Are expensive guns more accurate? Durable? Light?

[@kdcustoms1272]

I don't have money burning a hole in my pocket, I'm here because this is as close as I'm getting to a $3,000 gun.

[@morbugs63]

Ditto

[@Isitbecauseimpanduh]

I've gotten closer to one, it was in a museum, behind glass

[@nfn10asd]

Browning has really went "overboard"(ka-ching!) with "specialty items" such as fluting, cerakote, muzzle brakes and really left out us LEFTIES, Canadian MRSP for these rifles is way out there...Really appreciate and subscribed because of the honesty of these two guys!

[@ashmerch2558]

@@Isitbecauseimpanduh me and you both.. I've seen a few in gun shops too lol. The best rifle I've ever held was a Sako 85 Bavarian Carbine... my god it was beautiful... but not for $2700

[@TheShmeebitdog]

I got to shoot a $15,000 gun it was fun accurate not even close but it sent enough lead down range it didn’t really need to be

[@michaelmarzella5460]

Still a great pump gun even though it is mostly plastic, kzbin.infoUgkxh4su9YgU1tWmjikirWcKJbjsFLEU62Bc but with care it will last a long time. It would be neat if Crosman would make a commemorative version of this with real wood stock, but of course it would weigh more and cost more, but hey, it would be cool. The included scope is more of a toy, but it does work for backyard plinking. I prefer to use pellets for greater accuracy, but BBs are just as good for plinking. This is not a Red Ryder folks; fully pumped it is 3 times the power of a Red Ryder and can be dangerous if not handled properly. Be safe out there.

[@christophermiller8950]

"into artistry of the Gun" is the nicest way of saying Gun Snob i have ever heard

[@CoryHobbs2178]

👊😆

[@wdtaut5650]

To me, a Gun Snob has to have a better gun than I have -- a gun that costs more, shoots a better cartridge, will kill anything within a half mile, etc. Appreciating the artistry means I spend an inappropriate amount of time admiring my 1973 Marlin 336 .30-30. The art and engineering of good firearms is amazing.

[@christophermiller8950]

@@wdtaut5650 Not only has a better gun. but makes sure you are aware they have they better gun.

[@johnrosswilhite9532]

christopher miller I think you’re pretty of base with that assessment. A gun snob would scoff at anything less than a mcwhorter rifle with a swarovski scope on it. These guys though can appreciate anything from those guns to even things like an entry level Savage bolt gun. Its kind of like how a true watch guy can appreciate anything from a $80 Seiko 5 to a $7000 Rolex, while the watch snobs want only their Rolexes or Pateks and think that they are better than everyone else for it

[@ashleynicely1046]

@@christophermiller8950 "Better gun," kind of vague. To me, that means shoots when you need it to, shoots consistently, and is sub MOA. A shiny stock doesn't make it a 'better gun,' it makes it a shiny gun.

[@DMX-PAT]

The word Craftsmanship comes to mind when referring to many firearms... as for works of art, it really depends on weather or not functionality takes a back seat.

[@Nick-jr6qe]

I hope y'all continue to grow and grow and grow. Great content!!

[@jjrock5]

This channel has been putting out a lot of good content. Keep it up 👍🏻

[@ValiantSlothman]

Great video. Gives me an great idea for hunting in the future. Hope to see a comparison of scopes that you guys have sometime to see what is budget friendly but something that can last for someone starting. Thanks for the vid.

[@dashizzle3721]

I have a 270 win tikka t3x ss hunter and I drive 1/4 groups with factory federal 150 gr ammo. The whole set up cost me $1000. Arguably the best rifle I've ever owned. Absolute tack driver.

[@meanbeangaming8339]

Why you lying lmao

[@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595]

@@meanbeangaming8339 Prove he’s lying

[@meanbeangaming8339]

@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 lol 1/4 inch groups with 5k gun and custom loads are common not factory ammo with a light weight gun!

[@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595]

@@meanbeangaming8339 Ok but you can’t prove it. Every now and again someone pays attention to their job and flukes happen. Not all Tikkas are 1/4 moa but it’s not impossible for there to be a handful of 1/4moa Tikkas.

[@pliofcho4237]

This Browning looks pretty for sure, however if you do the math that it costs two tikkas it's a no no for the orphans tears. I'll take two scoped tikkas instead of one naked Browning all day long.

[@vincef5832]

That level of Browning is a good firearm. I got a mountain titanium they don't make anymore, but I am satisfied with it. They don't make the same firearm as in the old Fabrique Nationale days, but they are still good rifles. A Browning X Bolt looks great and shoot good way out there, right out of the box. If you get a firearm with an issue they will do the right thing I'd wager. No denying they are great looking rifles and will perform as needed. It's usually better to pay up and go deluxe if you can afford to-even though Tikka has a rep for good shooting rifles.

[@pennsylvaniafishermen5182]

I would stay with the tikka. Good shooting guns and you can find them pretty cheap sometimes. Maybe even 450 US dollars.

[@tombryant4518]

Yep. Gotta keep the Buckmark fan boys happy while over charging them. I’ve only ever seen one Browning at a match. Been to a lot of matches..

[@ashleynicely1046]

@@tombryant4518 Same with Weatherby magnums, they shoot fast, but not necessarily where you're aiming. But they cost enough to make the top end of this gun list, surprised they didn't show up, since polish is all the article seems to be promoting.

[@tombryant4518]

ashley nicely Ya, I’m not a Weatherby fan either. Those double radius magnum cases command a huge premium, but don’t post any better accuracy results.

[@marcushillerstrom25]

Those Tikka T3 are nice, and shoot incredibly well. When I took the shooting test that are required in Sweden for hunters, we all shoot the same Tikka T3 that we borrowed from the range where the test took place. We all shoot groups of four, seated with support and standing unsupported, and there were a lot of us, so the rifle probably had a few hundred rounds through it during the day (don't know how often they cleaned it), with at least 24 rounds without time to cool down (groups of six people). And when I did my seated shooting it still shoot sub moa. And my standing group was like a two - two and a half moa. That's pretty damn impressive performance of a rifle in my book. And if I would have been a better shooter I'm sure I could have tighten up that standing group as well.

[@MikkoKorkalo]

Wow, you get to shoot a borrowed gun for the test? In Finland, you need to do it with your own gun (or any gun you have a carrying permit for). It's frustrating for new hunters because it takes ages for all the bureaucracy to complete.

[@pw4885]

@@MikkoKorkalo well, here in sweden you wont get any permit until after youre a licensed hunter. so we cant really bring our own guns until after were already certified lol

[@rslover65]

I just bought one in 30-06. Shot a few really tight groups at 100 and 200 meters, then moved to 350, shot a 3 shot 63mm group I was amazed

[@garrettgutermuth6648]

your videos are awesome guys. i seriously have been trying to find videos like yours on youtube for months, and just stumbled upon yours. it is insane that it took me so long to find this, even searching hunting rifles in youtube. keep up the good work, you got an easy sub out of me

[@TheWVgoodguy22]

Thanks for sharing this overview comparison video. Pretty much on point and thanks for stating facts about accuracy isn't always tied to price. I have heard many good things about guns like the Savage Axis at least from an accuracy standpoint, but I have seen complaints about light striker fires, not completely extracting, etc... I have heard good things accuracy wise about the TC Compass and the Ruger American. The Ruger American is actually in the price point above those two when it has a scope more in the $450-$550 depending on model, but it is close enough. My one buddy loved them and has many models from the .22-250 in the Predator up to the .300 WM in the Magnum series. I hope that Mossberg fixes that Patriot for you, it definitely is a shame for such a beautiful rifle to shoot that off and inconsistent. Of course just because they say Pretty Accurate doesn't mean it has to be pretty to be accurate. I have looked and looked at the Tikka T3x as my next gun, especially in .300 WSM, I just couldn't go that extra $120 for the stainless, and almost went with the blued version, but never have shot a Magnum caliber in a 6.5 lb rifle, so I was hesitant. I still may get one down the road though, definitely a great action. I have been on forums where they complain about the synthetic stock feeling too cheap, but like you showed it seems more solid. If they didn't like the stock, just get the Hunter model with a wood stock. Another rifle brand that I was looking at for that $700ish price was the Bergera B-14 Hunter or Ridgeline among others. I actually found a fantastic deal on Bud's Gunshop where I got the new Savage Model 110 Long Range Hunter with the Accufit stock in a .300 WSM for $565 down from $900. I like the Accufit stock system and that the Long Range Hunter came with a muzzle brake. It is listed at 8.4 lbs which for some might be too much for an out west elk, mule deer, black bear, type gun, but it doesn't feel as heavy as it says. I need to get my own scope something in the 4-16x50 with a 30mm range to maximize its potential and find the right load. But I am excited. The Browning X-Bolt especially the Hell's Canyon line on up are things of beauty that is for sure, even their wood stock Medallion series are gorgeous pieces of machinery for a factory rifle. Practically semi-custom, especially the one you have there.

[@MidwestHunters1969]

Great video. I enjoy your reviews and look forward to new ones. Put a $20.00 Mcarbo trigger ( takes about 8 minutes) on the Axis and you have top shelf performance for less than $300.00. Both my Axis 243 and 6.5 religiously and consistently produce sub moa groups and have so far taken deer from 65 to 260 yards. Also got both for around $249. Keep up the cool videos.

[@katana258]

did the same with the early .223 axis [ round trigger guard ] .. works fine .. also got a Snyder mag [ 10 or 15 rounds ] and a tac bolt $ 60 to clear the scope with by big fat thumb when working the bolt .. 5 min install with one allen wrench ..longer length of knob gives more leverage and smother working

[@Vera-xu3xw]

My comparison: My Dad came to visit me an brought over a huge bottle of Italian Red wine for about 5 bucks. I had some 20 to 50 dollar bottles. My dad said wine is wine. I said let's do a taste test. After the tast test he said: "WHY DID YOU DO THAT, I WAS HAPPY WITH MY WINE BEFORE"

[@jakegarrett8109]

TheDoonzman by people who really haven’t tried different wines, yes. The reason is because they chug the freaken thing (in which case you don’t get the levels of flavor or exotic tastes), and then it’s like a battle of which goes down the easiest, a soda or a water? If you just chug them like most people do or not look for the intricacies then of course you will likely prefer the cheaper stuff, so that blind test is obvious results if you think about it, however... Once you’ve had a few samples over a period of time of the high end stuff, you’ll be screaming in your head where all the complexity is looking for that hidden flavor, with absolutely no after taste or transitions, no difference on the first sip, or how there is no special aroma, or how it aerates like water, and just mind numbingly bland and disappointing with every sip. I’m not criticizing anyone’s preference, it’s totally however people drink it that makes one suited to them better, like if it’s you’re first one ever you probably will like the cheap bland one for your first glass because you just can’t deal with the complexity (it’s not like you can’t drink one, it’s that it’s over-whelming with complexity and quite frankly it’s just going to be too confusing to understand, since it’s your first ever do baby steps and start with something simple, something you can get to grips with first and then start adding layers of complexities so you can appreciate and understand it). I don’t drink to get drunk like a party (again a simple wine is probably preferred for chugging, but I’m not that kind of person), what I do like is having fun with a new experience from some part of the world (it’s fun to try to guess the region based on the taste, the different soil/climate/growing style per tradition etc make it unique and distinguished not even counting grape variety), I like savoring the complexities for the subtle thrill of going “ooh, I getting a hint of .... and subtle transition to ...”. Some of the cool ones are historical like you can actually taste when Italy had a huge wildfire across their country, so all the wines in that region that year have a smokey taste to them (so yeah, not something you would necessarily want in a chugging contest... you want something basic for that, but it’s really cool when you’re slowly sipping it and then go “oh yeah, it was that year... that’s when the drought or fire happened”. Again, for me most of the fun is the complexity, and since I don’t drink to get drunk, then I’d rather have a soda or some non-spiked punch at a part than a cheap wine (heck I’d take water before a cheap and vanilla/boring wine), but that doesn’t mean a cheap wine isn’t good for somebody. But if you’re a casual alcoholic at parties that drinks way too much to safely drive, well the fancy wines probably aren’t for you, lol, and you probably prefer what you are used to and easier to gulp down (maybe later you’ll like the complexity). Much like there are different grape varieties, there are different types of drinkers, and each is totally fine picking something different.

[@dronepilot260rc]

I thought only women drank wine 😮

[@jakegarrett8109]

J T and only Russians drink Vodka?

[@Vera-xu3xw]

@@dronepilot260rc You probably shouldn't try an think.

[@Vera-xu3xw]

@TheDoonzman cheaper wine not cheap wine lol Really cheap wine taste like vinegar unless they add sugar.

[@joekirk167]

I love my TC's. Both of them. Beautiful rifle. Boyds stock and a vortex scope . A Little trigger work and they will shoot sub MOA all day long. Thinking about another one.

[@panzer5033]

Good advice, just buy a rifle and put a decent scope on it. The combo scopes are generally trash.

[@edwardsabo8368]

With descent bases and rings also

[@mikefinto4048]

@@TexanUSMC8089 good thing about the Mossberg patriot comes with a nice vortex.

[@mannyg9744]

You are lucky in the USA to be able to buy a budget rifle for around $400 that shoots well. Here in Australia that $750 Tikka would be $1350 average a Ruger american in 234 blued averages $950. I have the T3X in 223 and 7mm-08 both great guns best smoothest bolt

[@BacklTrack]

Everything is more expensive there

[@ronws2007]

@@BacklTrack I think it is due to the government adding extra taxes on guns, same thing that ole kiddy sniffer wants to do, or is being told he wants to do.

[@bradarmstrong7467]

It’s the conversion rate, 1000.00 us would get you 1437.00 Australian as of today, so it’s not that it’s more or less expensive just the current conversion rate

[@krisdeaglephotography4539]

Mauser M18 in the blued steel is around $850

[@collingodbey3737]

I've been real happy with my Sako A7 roughtech pro. Found it on sale for 890 bucks a couple years ago. Love it!

[@joshpittman6021]

Collin Godbey you should do a review I’ve been looking at them pretty hard! How does it shoot? What caliber?

[@collingodbey3737]

@@joshpittman6021 it's a 300 win mag. Shoots .5 inch groups with most decent 180 grain ammo. I've got a vortex 4 to 16 on it. I especially like the threaded barrel from the factory and it comes with a muzzle brake and a thread protector. And has adjustable trigger, 3 lug bolt but still a real smooth action. Adjustable trigger without having to take it apart. Stock is stiff enough it doesnt even flex. Has aluminium bedding, a palm swell to make it even more comfortable to hold. It's basically a custom gun but factory produced and way less than a custom shop rifle.

[@hugosmith6776]

Sako discontinued it, with the merger of Tikka, Tikkas were far superior to Sako for the same price. so they axed the line. I'm getting the Sako S20 here in a couple more months......still paying off my last toy.

[@joshmarden9933]

You two sealed the deal for me. Thank you, great channel, liked and subscribed.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

All very good points! Great video thanks Y'all

[@muddyh2o2init44]

I wish you would do a video on the groups you’re able to get with your guns. On paper so they can be measured. So we can find out if you’re able to take advantage of the refinements that they offer.

[@Coopaloop-gg3kw]

I'm a simple man. I see a new Backfire video, I hit like.

[@Joe-lk6oc]

Honest and great view! Keep up the great rifle videos. Maybe do some scope comparison videos as well??

[@dylanbarrett599]

Love the content. Keep it up! It’s interesting to read the comments. It’s funny how much people can get into the weeds when it comes to what is better than what. Your exactly right that sometimes there is no difference between a $700 gun and a $2,000 gun. I have guns that are upwards of $8000. But honestly I kind of regret buying some of them. But for the money, I don’t think you can beat a Christiansen Mesa. ($1,200)

[@AustinLWright]

Y’all should have at least 50k subs.

[@amatzek]

I had a savage axis. 243 couldn't get anything to group, sold it and got a ruger American and it shoots awesome.

[@scrider5493]

Axis II same cal, can't get good moa or consistent, think it was ammo, had scope lapped, and looking at laminate buy on a new stock. Or buy a Tikka and $500 scope.

[@RogerSnell]

Yeah, the Ruger is a much better rifle!

[@bmenzul]

Great video guys. Thanks. I'm just waiting to get my licence in the mail (I'm in Canada) and have busy researching what my first rifles will be. This exact question came up of what exactly do you get when you buy a $1000 vs $2000 gun. I was leaning towards spending around $1000 for a hunting rifle because I suspected when you get higher than that you get a gun that is functionally not that much better (although a beautiful piece of craftmanship). I may still buy a cheaper .22lr first so I can learn to shoot with inexpensive ammo, and if I decide I'd like a higher quality .22 I can just give it to my kids.

[@machinegreen1413]

Nice work guys !! Great informative videos.

[@smoglessmeat]

I got a stimulus package burning a whole in my pocket is damn right

[@davidrogers182]

I own a browning A-bolt for 600 and 300 dollar Leopold scope and it’s extremely accurate. Very pleased.

[@johnpoole8321]

Love my A-bolt as well in 308 and 30-06

[@jeffreygibbons6878]

Another good video. Solid content, objective and entertaining.

[@uralbob1]

I've owned three CZs (two 527s and a 550). They all shot beautifully, but the bolt actions are not smooth out of the box. They limbered up somewhat with use, but never got glassy smooth. In spite of this, CZs are a tremendous value.

[@flintymcduff5417]

And all of them discontinued. But yes, very good rifles.

[@YonderWizerd]

Great video! Thanks for the info, i'm a buy once cry once kind of guy.

[@bjcoveney5306]

Another great job! Bought a sako 20 years ago 7stw 28 great choice....

[@HuntingPoker]

I got my dream rifle and went with the SAKO 7mm Carbonlight, owe so nice with Leupold Vari 5 scope

[@glennevitt5250]

Thank you for this information and Great Video

[@denisstanley6546]

Every time you fire the rifle it cost me a dollar. So if i miss because its not accurate its an added cost of the rifle. If i spend time and cost to work up loads for my rifle and it still does not shoot it adds to cost of rifle. So i buy good rifles with good optics. If i miss i know its my fault.

[@artsmith103]

In the theme of the video, what's your usual used/new price point to do that? For me it's around $600 used.

[@denisstanley6546]

@@artsmith103 hi art. My 6.5 x 47 lapua was $4000 with a nightforce competition scope $3000. I have expensive scopes and rifles and load my own ammo so if i mosd its my fault not my gear

[@denisstanley6546]

@@artsmith103 i been building my rifle collection for many years. Im 75 so had lots of time. I still have my very old rifles and they shoot well. 2019 i put 9 shots in the 2.5" circle at one match. I still shoot reasonably well but not like 20 years ago. Its called growing old.

[@200130769]

You dont need to drop thousands to be dead accurate. Hell I have cheap rifles that shoot just as good if not better than my expensive rifles. Hell I choose my cheaper rifle more often when dragging it through some rough country. It never failed. I will never understand that logic that only expensive rifles shoot good. I can out shoot expensive rifles all day. Its funny how you talk about adding price to a rifle like it's a bad thing yet you turn around and more than quadruple the cost by spending way more than what's necessary

[@joshlockie9285]

Rather have a Sako over the Browning

[@aliant6520]

I have both and my #1 choice when i'm going on a hunt is always my Sako 85 Hunter Stainless chambered in 30-06 Springfield topped up with a Swarovski optik, craftsmanship at its best 👌

[@jmc4720]

Great video! Thank you!

[@markc7551]

Great content and information. Keep it up!

[@nathanadrian7797]

The only new rifle I would consider would be a Winchester model 70, you can keep the Fisher-Price stocked rifles. When I was a moose guide I saw rifles worth up to $8000 and I wouldn't have traded my beat up model 70 for any of them. There are so many great older guns for sale that there is very little reason to buy a new plastic gun. I'd rather look for an old Mauser, Springfield, Winchester, Remington or Husqvarna.

[@mattjubie]

Hard to beat a model 70

[@gloppy101]

I'll take my Rem 700BDL(made in 1980) in 308 and my Win Model 70 (1963) rifle in .264 win mag. Made in USA goodness and very accurate

[@ULFISHGETTER]

@@gloppy101 made in usa means jack squat these days. You’re giving your money to investment groups. Weatherby is the only gun manufacture I’d consider in the USA now days.

[@flintymcduff5417]

@@ULFISHGETTER yes but to me they've changed up the Mark V so much it isn't on my radar anymore. Agree with everything you said. My Model 70's (all 5 of them) are made by FN in Portugal. They are flawless. My other rifles are Finnish or Czech.

[@shaverlocal]

One of my rifles, a Tikka Tactical is a consistent one hole shooter with my handloads. All the rest are not far off...

[@scooterdogg7580]

fella had one at the range in 6.5 swede , I was very impressed nice rifles

[@hugosmith6776]

most are 20" barrels with many calibre levels having ~ 1:11 twist thus missing the almost required 2 twist. it's meant for law enforcement under 200meters. the 6.5 creedmore I think is 22.4"barrel at 1:8 twist...almost getting 3 full rotations.

[@1822erik]

Start a youtube Chanel and show me!

[@shaverlocal]

@@1822erik cant start a youtube channel.. but I can meet you at the Fresno Rifle and Pistol Club in Auberry any day!

[@davehewgley1050]

I have the Remington 783 in 308 short barrel and what I notice was the longer I shot it the less accurate it was. But when it cooled off it would become accurate again. And the stock had built-in sling mounts which made it look cheap. It also made a rattling type noise from inside. Which turn out to be a couple of pieces of plastic about the size of a bb's. I kept the scope on it that came with it . I have not had any issues with it . But what I did notice was my old Bushnell Banner on a different gun was brighter I paid $240.00 3 years ago

[@ratedredneck96]

As far as the barrell, you can cerakote things yourself pretty easily. Its not even very expensive to get your own cerakote kit. Triggers are super easy to replace and you can buy a trigger kit for the savage for like 25 bucks making it match grade. Mine was stiff but crisp, i took some coils out of the spring and brought it way down. If i ever need a trigger i could just buy one. I compared my savage axis' trigger to my dads ruger m77 hawkeye which is a 1000+ dollar rifle and it had the same exact feel. Once i took the spring down a few coils it even has a better trigger feel the the m77 hawkeye...chambered in .30-06 for those who wondered lol my savage axis is in 6.5 creedmoor.

[@marknaylor9377]

You should do a video on rifle slings. They are usually overlooked but are a big part of hunting.

[@unhippy1]

Hornady padded sling.....nothing else needs looked at

[@scotteger6271]

I’ve been using an Outdoor Connection paracord sling for the past couple years. I like it because it stays on my shoulder, has a small amount of flex and if needed you could cut/tear it apart, which would provide you quite a bit of useable paracord in an emergency.

[@donaldmcbride8322]

Check out the Bergara B14 hunter or Ridge. Wonderful guns. Love mine

[@davelaneve2446]

I recently acquired a TC/S&W Performance Shop LRR in 6.5 Creedmoor, $800 gun. Put a $1000 US optics scope on it. Was extremely impressed with the performance of the LRR. Incredibly nice trigger, sub 1/4 MOA groups. It grouped just as good as my $13k Cheyenne Tactical M200 Intervention in 375 CheyTac with a $5k Shmidt & Bender scope. At 500, 750, 1000, 1400 yards the group sizes between the two rifles were nearly identical, sub 1/4 MOA. I also have a Kimbsr rifle in 22-250 that is amazing for a mid range priced gun, have used it extensively to take out coyotes up to about 1000 yards. I have a basic Remington 700 in 308 from the late 70s, has a newer McMillan adjustable stock. It is an excellent performer as well.

[@leviwilliams9601]

My Savage I got for 300 dollars when I was 12 was amazing... Thing still works 100 percent. Gonna buy a new Savage 110 i. 6.5 creed... (Package) 560 I believe with a good vortex scope..... Browning makes a 700 dollar rifle in 300 win mag with a 24 inch barrel with a break.

[@skiz8848]

That browning looks incredible but I would never ever buy one. I'm too rough on my equipment.

[@josh_da_boss_hello4571]

More expensive stuff is meant to be able to put up with tough love. It’s expensive so you don’t have to worry about it later.

[@aceventura3552]

Nothingnincredible about it...its a overpricedd gun at 800 much less 2k. Only thing going for it is carbon stock. Buy a tikka for 700 and spend 2k on a scope instead

[@josh_da_boss_hello4571]

@@aceventura3552 I do own a tikka.

[@mmpiforall5913]

My brother has the Savage Axis XP in .223 it tends to hold good groups, but as with all rifles, it may "like" some loads more then others, be sure your bullet weight, design, is suited for the barrel twist, 1: 8 twist in this case. You need to work-in the bolt with a little extra lube, fast cycling may cause fail to extract and a jam. The scope is the China made Weaver, "OK" for plinking on the range, but not for a hunting trip. There's no more US made Weavers unless you pick up mint NOS stock from the 70s or 80s!

[@name_less7687]

I really like you guys. I'm disappointed that I just found you guys. Ofc.. KZbin and guns.. Your stuff never popped up for me until today. Props y'all. You give good honest reviews.

[@timothylupton6294]

Love those rifles but can't afford. I'll stick with my all weather ruger 270. I've had it for years and never had any problems with it. Pull trigger bang and pretty accurate. Great video guys 👍

[@lindeleasley]

While the Axis is a $350 rifle, it can be modified to be a very good shooter, and completely personalized. Some (myself included) have gotten this with the intention of doing just that.

[@guicohj]

I just purchased the Howa M1500 Game pro for 450 dollars at Turner's Outdoorsman. I'm thinking of switching out the stock with a chassis, most likely the MDT.

[@unhippy1]

If its used for anything more than range work stay away from a chassis....you will spend half your life pulling twigs and leaves and grass out of all the nooks and cranny's that the chassis designers seem to think are necessary.....have some friends that did the chassis thing all at about the same time and none of them lasted more than a couple of hunting trips before going back to more conventional type of stock.

[@guicohj]

@@unhippy1 Noted* I figured after also reading how much many of them weight.

[@coletomlin7117]

New fan!!! Love the vid

[@Seanconnery1st]

My only criticism would be scope size/mass. It's nice to have extra magnification, but I think less is more for hunting applications. Granted, I'm not a very successful hunter. I'd take a small scope, and maybe take that extra weight towards spotting glass (an addition to the hunting system I plan to do).

[@HeavyJ318]

IMO Howa is the best bang for the buck and quality and accuracy is extremely consistent.

[@fishin3196]

Agreed!

[@Lost.aussie]

100% im a professional contract shooter roo shooter in Australia and and use over 1000 rounds a week , im using the howas my tika strated keyholing after a year and my 1st howa 1500 is still going strong 3 years on

[@shawnboryca9411]

Marlin was making some great cheap bolt actions and then they got bought out

[@waysb7450]

Totally agree! My 1500 7mm08 shot sub Moa out of the box, came threaded for $500 US, even better it's put a few animals down too!

[@snoopy19581]

@@fishin3196 Totally agree with you . How's and Savage are some of the best gun's for money on the market . I use two Savage's 22-250 and a 25-06 then a 223 in a Howa and what a beautiful little accurate gun it is .

[@stevenradford3185]

I love to see a comparison between 7mm rem meg to a .300 WSM. Right now I want a Tikka 7mm but leaning to Savage 110 ultralight .300WSM

[@ronws2007]

Both are good for big game. Gunwerks channel shows a father and son and friends hunting elk. The boy shoots a 7mm Rem Mag hill top to hill top (1,300 yards) and gets a bull elk. And yes, the group hikes and finds the harvest and quarters it for getting it out of the woods. I have heard Tikka makes good rifles and are worth the extra expense. I totally agree with these guys as for the different advantages. The budget rifles are a gamble. I first bought (years before finding this channel) an Mossberg Patriot .308 Win that came with a Vortex Crossfire II 3x-9x/50 mm (second focal plane) scope on it. And it shoots about 1 MOA. It is so light that you can shoot a bigger group off hand because of your breathing, especially under physical stress. Total cost from Shoot Smart (based in north Texas) was 515 plus tax. I bought it from them, so no shipping, no fee transfer at the Grand Prairie store (they have three. That one, one in Benbrook, and another at the extreme northern edge of Fort Worth.) Mine shoots approximately 1 MOA. And kicks like a mule, especially with the thin recoil pad. So, my caveat with budget rifles, which are plenty good, is that you will still spend more than the initial price. For me, practice causes improvement. That means you need to shoot more than 3 three rounds in October a few weeks before opening weekend (first one in November, here) for general season deer (rifles allowed.) And, to do that, means you need to manage recoil. Getting hurt is no good. Flinching from anticipating recoil pain is going to ruin all shots. So, plan on changing to a thicker recoil pad. Limbsaver precision fit. What worked even better is their Airtech slip-on and you can get those at Academy. Get some foam padding and make your own if you have a family member who does a lot of arts and crafts and regularly has small cell foam around the house. I watched a Vortex podcast (full disclosure, I am a Vortex fan boy) and they said something that rings true for me. There is nothing wrong with and everything to be gained by you modifying a rifle, especially the stock, to suit you. Every one of them owns a budget rifle with a standard stock (Ruger American, Mossberg Patriot,) basically the old Remington. Every one of them has an add-on adjustable cheek riser such as the Bradley, others have the Kydex that requires you to drill holes in the stock. That is the first and most important thing about making a gun fit you. In Ranger sniper training, you will spend at least one day laying in the dirt getting a 700 fitted to you with craft foam and hockey stick tape until the cheek rise is best while laying prone. Then moving the scope back and forth until the right eye relief is achieved. It all has to fit each particular shooter with his own length of pull, cheek rise. Which leads to the advantage of the mid-price. A number of the $1k rifles on are stocks that have adjustable cheek rise and length of pull and come with thicker and more comfortable recoil pads. You directly get what you pay for. Such as my Mossberg MVP Long Range 308 (Thunder Ranch with Kuiu Camo.) Heavy wooden stock, heavy threaded bull barrel. Out of the box shooting sub-MOA at 100 yards, adjustable cheek riser. And my Diamondback Tactical scope on it. So, when I got this month my Windham Weaponry R16 SFST 308, I changed the telescoping stock to a Magpul PRS Gen III. It has adjustable length of pull, soft recoil pad, adjustable cant on the recoil pad, adjustable cheek. Which is good because I had to change scope mounts, which meant Another click or two of adjustment on the cheek. So, you will spend some money, either way. But make the whole thing comfortable for you. Accuracy can only improve once you are comfortable with the rifle.

[@humblebumble07]

Great summary guys!

[@sydecarnutz972]

Being a disabled vet on a fixed income. I have a Ruger American in .308. I put a decent scope on it. Quite happy with the value and quality I received!

[@chadesplin8937]

I don't get it, diamond industry tells you to buy your wife to be, a ring that cost's three months salary and people do it. Buy a 2000 $ gun and your a snob. Back in my youth, rent was 3 to 4 hundred bucks. Today my son's pay 1500. Inflation changes everything. Winchester's of yesterday where expensive then, but you look at that price today... chicken feed. So today, I say you have to buy a gun that hurts to purchase, just as it was back then. I would never buy a 350 dollar gun today. You need to do your research and buy a gun to pass down the family tree.

[@dronepilot260rc]

I can literally out shoot guys that have $1,000+ guns and I'm using a $380 Ruger American Predator. I guess it depends on the shooter more than the instrument

[@name_less7687]

@@dronepilot260rc in many cases. Yes it does. Not all cases though. Accuracy and reliability is all that matters in a fire arm. In my opinion. If its rough to shoot but its more accurate and more reliable. Get use to it. That's my modo. I hate stiff triggers. Idc if it's a $300 dollar gun or a $10,000 dollar gun. If the triggers rough. No go. Though you can change that. Even when you supposedly "can't change the trigger" yes you can.. Lol that got me when these guys said that. People complain about how rough the bolts are on some rifles. If it fails to feed. That's a major problem and needs addressed. Maybe it's the design. Maybe it's a flaw. Either way. Still a problem that can be fixed on a budget. Just gotta get your hands a little dirty. Rough I don't mind though. You can get use to it and learn to use it just as well. No matter. It's just a learning curve. I've meant many people with more money than brains and showing off a gun. I love your attitude man. Truly. I have expensive guns and I have cheap ones. No rifle that cheap though lol.. But I wouldn't say for one second that it's junk because I've never fired it. If it has a good barrel (sub half moa) and a solid optic that holds zero. Then it's a great gun. I'm also not stupid or narrow minded. I know that some companies talk their products up on stats. Some don't bother and simply underrate them. They let their product speak for itself. From my experience, I've been very pleasantly surprised with savage accuracy. They're cheap af and most claim a 3 moa rating. Not true. Tack drivers. With a rough, nasty, bolt but it always works. A great trigger to top it off. On their tactical models. My opinion. I'm partial too the savage 10t sr cabelas special chambered in 6.5 creedmoor with 5r rifling. I've preached it up and down this comment section, just rambling away. Lol I can't talk it up enough. Savage really throws in a hidden curve ball on that one, in that particular caliber with the 5r being an option. It's literally one of the most accurate rifles that you'll ever get your hands on and it only costs $700. .3 moa average in my hands. I've never put it in a vice. They're insanely accurate. Mine had a very rough break in period on the barrel. 300 rounds or so. I cleaned it every 20 or so. Just as it heated up and started to throw zingers. Now... Damn. It's a majestic beast that I would grab 100% of the time if I needed a gun that I could trust and could only pick one.

[@5000rgb]

"I would never buy a 350 dollar gun today" I've checked out a couple and they felt cheap. I like guns and want something that feels nice in my hands, not just goes bang. When I was rifle shopping last spring I saw a few used bolt action rifles with scopes for under $600. A Weatherby Vanguard and a Howa 1500. These were guns that felt good in the hand and operated smoothly, not something you'd wish you had spent more for a better one. By the time you put a scope on a $350 rifle you are damn close to that and are getting far less for your money. Some of the new rifles in the $500 range were quite satisfactory but still not something that you'd never want to upgrade.

[@johnpoole8321]

I hear that. I bought the browning A bolt in 308 and i loved it so much i bought the 30-06 as well. Mid 80's the 308 cost me $ 520 now look LOL. I shot over 30 deer with it . Next time i might aim a little lower :) We will have nice weapons to pass on Chad. Enjoy the quality of life

[@samradowick8050]

Hint: "price point" means "cost"

[@herschelmiers8689]

I bought my son a savage 110 .270 Winchester. I used JB weld to bed the stock. I used a dremmel tool to grind out the clearance for the barrel. I put decent $250 optic on it. And it has held 1 inch groups at 300 yds with box ammunition.

[@thehappytexan]

More the most part, you definitely get what you pay for. I use a Winchester model 88 in .308 and a good friend of mine runs a Browning BAR in .308. Both rifles are older, but the trigger on the 88 sucks compared to the BAR.

[@cpreit8862]

I'm a tikka sako fan don't even think any other way I've looked at bargera but the action and triger just dont compare tikka has a great system their weakest link is the stock but get a sako and you have everything you need all mine shoit 3/4 or better with the right ammo factory ammo

[@adamelam6385]

I bought a used Tikka T3 in 270 wsm that was getting .75 groups with cheap factory ammo the first time I shot it. I can only imagine how much more it’s capable of with quality reloads.

[@cpreit8862]

@@adamelam6385 every tikka I have loves Hornady ammo if you can find some you'll be 1/2 moa but if you reload you'll be shooting tacks

[@tracyspradlin2679]

A good Remington model 700 can do any hunt you want with quality and without breaking the bank.

[@ThatOneGuySometime]

Timney*

[@utah20gflyer76]

I purchased a rem 700 police in 308 that wouldn't shoot better than 3 inches and severely copper fouled in 10 shots. Remington has some serious quality control issues.

[@williamcroft9911]

OLE RELIABLE !!

[@jimarnold565]

@@utah20gflyer76 Remingtons quality has sure went down, it was once the most accurate out of the box but now?

[@fightfan7993]

You have a great channel. Like your knowledge and personality about explaining your opinions on guns

[@MrHoustonmichael]

Best to choose in person:the rifle receiver/ barrel perfect for you ( smooth perfect bolt action in loading/ extracting rounds.I suggest you do not pay alot for their stock, so you add the perfect stock that fits your grip/ shoulder length that adds the weight you need for easy accuracy,the scope and sling make for more accurate shooting , that way it is only $300 to $400 for the initial purchase then put your money in excellent accessories that mate the perfect fit for you and save bucks in the process 👍

[@Bafflestack]

Not sure about the Browning model referenced in the video but the Tikka trigger is an adjustable (2-4lb) single stage trigger. Check out the new Tikka models and the Sako S20!! Great video Backfire!

[@littlefinkle7757]

I have an older Browning Gold Medallion A-bolt in 7mm Rem Mag. Gave about $900 bucks or so for it and put about $1k scope on it after a couple of cheaper scopes. Gun is phenomenal! Had the action cerakoted a couple years back and trigger set at a very crisp 1.75 lbs. I have harvested countless deer with this rifle. Spend your money on a great gun, and if you are strapped for cash you can always upgrade the optics later. The foundation is the gun.

[@EpikArms]

I switched all my rifles to Tikka i have no complaints, fantastic rifles

[@ChromeArty]

Mine was stolen 😫

[@jodystamper9105]

Same here. I used to be a Remington fan till I inherited my uncle's T3 Hunter (270wsm). I was like...wth.... Now I have 3 more in 22-250, 325wsm and the wife's 243. LOVE them all!

[@MinhVu-in9iz]

I just got the TikkA t1x, I love it, so much fun that I might have to buy their center rifles!! Get some ctr in 308!!

[@EpikArms]

Yeah mine are all the t3x varmints, a little heavier, easier for long range

[@stewie5101]

Pretty hard to go past a Tikka. I have a .223 and a 22lr. I have NEVER had a jam, failure to feed or a failure to extract. They are exceptional rifles and I wish they made a 22wmr. Great rifles and will not be disappointed.

[@flintymcduff5417]

If a guy or gal a Tikka T3x as their only hunting rifle they would never lack for anything. Great rifles.

[@klundin2000]

You guys have good chemistry.....waiting for a review of Mauser M18. Just bought a M18 Creedmoor for $399.00 and waiting for Tikka T3X Veil Alpine.

[@davemeise2192]

Over a long period of time, 50 years, I've fired many of the low end (in this case Savage) rifles, many of the medium and many of the high end rifles you show here. If I was to buy a new rifle it would be a Savage. They don't appear to be fancy but they are well made, certainly better made than you make them out to be, work very well and are accurate for hunting. Most rifles group at 1 moa to 2 moa and that's all one needs for hunting unless one is shooting at extended ranges. That takes far too much practice so most people don't practice enough to be effective at long ranges while hunting and they end up missing or wounding game animals.

[@aimeagle]

Watched a vid the other day of a guy shooting a axis ii 6.5 creedmoor 1000yrds with the stock scope on it. He had his nicer guns and couldn't hit the target. Axis ii 3 in a row on the target. After holding it and feeling it I was sold. It has a stainless barrel and under 300.

[@BloodiedYetUnbowed]

Savage sucks..

[@mikequyl8754]

Well said thanks

[@FALguy-rl3yn]

My savage axis xp II is my first and only gun. I have shot other rifles and I think the savage is an amazing rifle

[@BloodiedYetUnbowed]

@@FALguy-rl3yn Ruger, Winchester, Browning, and Remington all make better rifles than Savage, just to name a few.

[@jakeg1148]

Love my Ruger American 308. Highly recommend it.

[@jakeg1148]

@Blake I'm not really a long-distance shooter, I bought this rifle just to get the $300 Bushnell scope off it but I liked the set up so much I kept it together. That said I consistently hit a 5 inch plate from 200 yards with it. That's with cheap Tula steel cased 308 ammo. Bolt is really smooth, love the location of the safety yeah that's a very comfortable rifle to shoot. By the way I bought the whole setup for $300 used and it came with an extra 4 on magazine.

[@travise8008]

@Blake I also have one in a 7mm-08 I put a vortex $600 scope on it and with factory 120 grain nosler ammo I get sub moa. It shoots great magazine has had a few failures but other than that its awesome!

[@jakeg1148]

@Blake I was just flipping through pictures and found one of an under 2-inch group I shot from a hundred yards.

[@jakeg1148]

@Blake Nope, just the basic Barrel.

[@mrshauncory]

I have the Ruger American go wild in 6.5 creedmoore. I can consistently shoot 1/2 moa or better at 100yds. Put on a monstrum G3 4-14x44, this setup is a tack driver.

[@danieldotter6077]

Just put together a TC Compass that I got for under $300 and threw a Viper HS LR 4-14x44 scope that I got on sale for roughly $370. I don't think you can do much better than that for under $700 all in. It's important not to blow your entire budget on the rifle. Optics are at least as important and are often pricier than the gun they sit on.

[@dennisb1970]

I have a Browning White gold edition and it shoots perfectly! Plus I love the look

[@missourirebel9669]

Got some age on it now but my 190 dollar model 70 Ranger with my love put into it is 1/2 moa shooter 200 dollar scope makes it a great dependable rig

[@chrisruiz3269]

350 is the best accurate i have a ruger american and a Savage axis and they do 1 inch groups with a good scope and the quality is not the best but its enough and it wont break

[@vitaly6312]

I went to zero my deer hunting rifle ($319 Ruger AP in 6.5cm) and after a few rounds I was shooting sub MOA groups. Worst one was about 1.5, best was slightly over 1/2. I think the 7mm Tikka will be my next gun.

[@jankompan]

Love mine T3X, just ordered SAKO S20, it should arrive next may. Fingers crossed :)

[@sprofitt777]

I can only speak for myself, but I brought a Savage Axis rifle a few years ago for my son. I took to the range and it had excellent tight grouping at 100 yards. Then we went on a boar hunting trip, my son shot a pig at 75 yards, killed it with one shot. With the scope that came with it.

[@AxcelGamer97]

I have a Savage Stevens 200 .270 and absolutely love it.

[@vicook1974]

Ritchie88 I hear ya. I have a Stevens 200 in 25-06 and it is brilliant. I have more expensive rifles, but out to 300m they're no more accurate than the 200.

[@Crashryding]

Vi Cook i had the exact rifle, Stevens in 25-06. Blew me away with just how accurate the thing was, a heavy rifle to lug round the hills but it always got the job done! My Savage 16 in .223 shoots clovers with 75gn BTHP match ammo from 250meters all day long

[@ukeplaya1]

Great video!

[@thezapper007]

Thought id share. I have a walnut Remington 783 and it was one of those ones that you couldn’t get it to tightly group. I took the stock off and adjusted the trigger down, and then I torqued everything back to inch pound specs I found in a forum. My 783 went from a 2-3 moa group down to .66 to .75 inch

[@RH-nc8uu]

So if, in an earlier video, we say the Ruger American is the best cheap including better than the Savage Axis. then why has the Savage Axis made it into this comparison?

[@chevyon37s]

Because the axis in most cases is a fair bit cheaper. I paid $199.98 after tax for my “bare” .308 axis.

[@RH-nc8uu]

@@chevyon37s "$350...vs $1000 vs $3000". Sense your statement lacks it. $300 gun is best cheap gun then why compare worse gun to higher end models?

[@slowbrew3074]

I'm 50 years old i got my 1st rifle at 13 it was a Remington 700 in .270, i own 2 Browning X-Bolts bought them when they 1st came out in 7 mag and 300 win mag, i picked up a Tikka in 308, I won a Weatherby Mark 5 in 300 Weatherby and a couple years ago I was in a gun store and saw a Savage Trophy Hunter 111 in 30-06 for $300 buck i bought it and threw a mid tier Vortex on it... I love that rifle... i petty hunt only with that rifle... Oh by the way they Weatherby kicks like a mule even with the break

[@tylerlester128]

I’d like to see you guys review a Tikka T3 , that’s what I have and it shoots like a dream.

[@AlexDumitruHQ]

You guys put out some great content, really enjoy your videos. But you have to do something about the audio (sync) issues - I've noticed it on several of your videos...

[@backfire]

That was only really in issue in one video. I didn’t notice an issue in this one.

[@AlexDumitruHQ]

@@backfire towards the end of this video, audio sync is going off. If the video was be longer, it would become more and more noticeable ;) Just trying to help...

[@no_regerts5176]

The gun is almost NEVER the reason for not taking game. I recently did a write up on the sub-$400 rifle for hunting out to 400 yards. $249 Weatherby Vanguard from Wal-Mart, $40 Talley Lightweight rings, $35 Butler Creek sling, $80 used Burris Fullfield II 3-9x40 from a pawn shop. $17.99 Federal Fusion 270 Winchester ammo. Easy hits on 8 inch plate out to 400.

[@backfire]

I generally agree except just last week I missed a deer because the bolt wouldn’t cycle on a cheap gun. But I agree it’s rare.

[@no_regerts5176]

Backfire I had a muzzleloader NOT go off after I’d snuck up on what would have been my first elk. As far as I know, that rifle is still on that mountain.

[@kdcustoms1272]

@@no_regerts5176 lmao....

[@flintymcduff5417]

@@no_regerts5176 so you just left it there and walked away. Right......

[@davidjensen2411]

Never thought I'd see a Browning out-price a Tikka...! 😯

[@HD-ph1dc]

Browning makes nice equipment (I have to give credit where it's due) but they are overpriced.

[@candelariosanchez273]

They are than good rifles why wouldn’t they out price the tikka I have a browning 7mm single shot with an octagon barrel that is incredibly a tack driver and one of my go to guns when hunting deer or big game like nilgai antelope here in south Texas very well made all American rifles!

[@stevenlamar6927]

I'd take a sako over all of them. The accuracy is dead on and the attention to detail.... second to none

[@1776tjs]

Just picked up a Tikka T3x, glad I did!

[@nfn10asd]

Thanks guys subscribed for the honest informational factor, in a world where lefties are being left, Savage has done "some work" but Ruger seems to be stepping up with the M77 Platforms for us lefties...would like to see a "head to head" Browning VS Ruger.

[@andrewmozingo7815]

The ruger m77 Hawkeyes come with amazing triggers

[@shawnboryca9411]

And Rugers are some of the least accurate rifles there are

[@lrlapua8035]

I always hate the people who buy a 1k rifle and a 200 dollar scope......spens equal money on glass, you will never regret it...

[@JLC87420]

LR Lapua I did the opposite bought a cheap Remington 783 and a vortex viper hst think it was like 550 for the scope.

[@johnnyklingborg8960]

Why should i spend more than i need to? I have a Zeiss HD5 on a old surplus mauser because it makes sense for my hunting needs and a 50$ Leupold on a Kreighoff drilling (not a cheap gun) which is almost never on the gun anyway. In some occasions i wouldn't be able to use expensive scopes in fear of damage it like wiping the lenses with a glove to take out a big hog in heavy brush after my dog has been barking at it for an hour.

[@biteme263]

Your scope choice should depend on your use case, not the price of the rifle. As they have said and shown a 400 dollar gun can shoot as well as a 1000 dollar gun. Why would it require a more expensive optic? As long as it is of decent quality and serves your purpose it shouldn't matter. Now if you depend on your rifle to save your life, or shoot competitively I wouldn't be buying a 2 or 3 hundred dollar scope. You could, but I wouldn't suggest it. But for hunting or plinking. You don't need a 1,000 dollar 20 power scope with tactical turrets and FFP. And I wouldn't put a 50 dollar scope on anything if I expected it to last more than a few years.

[@lrlapua8035]

@@biteme263 like I said, you will never regret buying good glass....

[@johnnyklingborg8960]

@@lrlapua8035 yes when you break or loose it. If you are from Finland (guessing by your username) you should have an idea of just how rough hunting can be on your equipment..

[@jmcconnell1018]

Look at a Barrett Fieldcraft on the higher end of things. In a short action you're looking at a bare rifle that's a shade over 5 pounds. It's got a factory Timney trigger and an excellent stock. Every chambering has at least the industry standard twist rate, if not faster and has enough magazine box space to load long heavy for caliber bullets. I paid about $1400 for mine and would take it over a similarly priced Browning any day of the week.

[@greghertzberg6220]

My Tikka t3 gets .20” groups at 100 yds. It took me a while to get the bullets that the barrel liked but it is rock solid.

[@EpikArms]

Lapped with the tears of african orphans!! Omg you guys are hillarious! Love the channel you guys are great

[@bigamer93]

So whats funny i want to laugh as well 🤨😐

[@jimfaulkner7780]

Meanwhile in Australia a $350 gun is $1000 anyway.

[@jiansong9485]

Jim Faulkner in NZ, tikka t3 is about nz$1500+. But worth to buy.

[@jimfaulkner7780]

@@jiansong9485 man, I feel your pain. It will probably get worse too. With the new laws the import taxes will probably rise too.

[@mrcommand060]

Another great video

[@gmoutdoorsandmore7731]

Nice video! Good points!