36 NEW Science Packs??? // Science Galore part 5: Switching on the ENDgame LAB setup!

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[@TitoRigatoni]

Cars on a belt is the best method for science distribution. Dead simple, will handle any number of science packs. My base is easily feeding 2700 spm on a single yellow belt. This rainbow waterfall looks really cool though.

[@Valreg]

Car science is what I have in mind while watching as well. If you don’t have enough filter slots in a single car you can load balance every other car with the filters

[@TitoRigatoni]

@@Valreg Cars have 80 slots, that's enough to dedicate two slots to most science colors and one for the rest. Michael's point is valid though; it wouldn't look as cool as this. And looking cool has a lot of value, especially when you're running a youtube channel.

[@Nebula_ya]

2 ideas: - There's no benefit to a science pack doing more than 1 loop, so use filter inserters to blacklist science packs revisiting where they first joined the loop. Then you can have stack inserters all the way through. - More simply, have stack inserts all the way through, but at one point have a yellow inserter to let things back up

[@cubondemais]

good advice for the viewers! but he ain't gonna do it because it's all already recorded, so we'll be in agony for a while

[@deejay020400]

Another option you could use for loading the left edge of the lab loop is to use filter inserters between the labs set to blacklist whatever science pack is designated to be added to the loop from the pyramid labs next (eg: the inserters between the third lowest and fourth lowest labs on the the left edge of the loop could blacklist filter all the vanilla sciences since theyre added to the loop at the next lab). You will likely have to adjust the lab pyramid so no more than 5 sciences (or 1 science if using stack filter inserters) are added to any one lab in the loop so you dont run out of space in the filter lists

[@MichaelHendriks]

Even blocking just 1 science from going through could help a bit, a nice fine tuning instrument to get as close to 30spm consumption rate as possible

[@DavidSchmitt]

Just break the loop at the top!

[@TubeNewrome]

That's some cursed belt-cargo wagon weaving

[@stefanklass6763]

All labs should have stack inserters except for the last in the loop, one slow spot so the sciences can back up a little .

[@teamruddy611]

How have you jumped so far ahead in warptorio? I don't even see the warp platform anymore!

[@lis6502]

but the polution lingers nevertheless 😅

[@crowman1795]

What is this?! There's no hand-feeding for 15 minutes! Preposterous!

[@leiferickson1494]

I forget from the last video when you set up the lab, but did you ever consider using cargo wagons as wide chests to put the science packs into before the labs?

[@MichaelHendriks]

The first 2 columns of labs have the same function (a little less wide, but the "lab chests" come already preset with 43 dedicated individual science pack slots)

[@lis6502]

1:22 why not circuit controlled circular sushi belt? Simplest with splitter controlled "loading" circuit and memory cell holding total amount of packs on belt.

[@graftednormalcy1376]

he dislikes using circuits for research if i recall correctly

[@sashagggg_7084]

He said he dont like logistic robots and circuits, he want pure mechanical mess (sorry for bad english)

[@lis6502]

@@sashagggg_7084 well, i though that circuit network was ment to solve problems like these, even simplest chest cascade with loading 'up to X science pack items'.sigh, that's Mike :D

[@SleepyHarryZzz]

@@lis6502 Sure it solves the problem, but he doesn't find that as interesting or satisfying. I get where he's coming from. My personal "line in the sand" for this is that I never get blueprints from online, that to me removes 90+% of the enjoyment of Factorio for me

[@MichaelHendriks]

Why circuit controlled if you can just use cars on a belt? There is no default "best" solution for many factorio problems, and often it depends on your other goals, like in this case, a rainbow belt that looks nice

[@aleksszukovskis2074]

...and he never came back to this.

[@ThatOliveMrT]

I have difficulties with blues and greens but I'm surprised the color gradient looks correct to me. I do use one of the colorblind filters but they don't have one for my specific deficiency. Fun fact, majority of humans only have red, green, and blue cones in their eyes so yellow is just brain magic

[@ShaunTheCrazyOne]

ALL THIS!! Just because you refused to build a sushi belt!!! Are you allergic to fish or something?

[@z-tonicemporium4994]

I tested a cargo train loader setup. Had a science train basically. Works very efficiently. Can share a blue print if you would like? Second option. Have each belt load into it's own lab. Have a line of labs just for loading and move everything to the right. Can even make a nice looking loop at the end with stack inserters going down and have a line of labs for actual science below the loader labs. Uses ur triangle lab loading but simplies it to efficiently working :) can share blue print on this as well :) even if u would just like to see it

[@obsoletealien]

I can't seem to find the rest of the videos in this series, episodes 6 and onwards. Are they available somewhere?

[@MichaelHendriks]

No not yet at least, this series was edited by someone else, but their priorities changed after this episode

[@pulsefel9210]

i looked up this mod but there were a bunch of variations that im not 100% on which is right

[@andrzejk320]

I would just use sushi belt for science :) that’s a good moment to teach players how to make one :)

[@zxxvcc]

Is there a science pack that takes discharge defence? If so this mod is the only reason I would craft it.

[@chardywolfe]

Are you going to be putting up a part 6? Or for me personally I prefer the longer unedited videos? 😭 I wanna see the end at least haha.

[@EricJohnsonGuru]

Love the graphic ate seven minutes.

[@packediceisthebestminecraf9007]

me too, it's grate

[@justcornflakes]

Your Stack inserters are the problem because they try to load 2 science while there is just 1 taken out with the loop inserters and they can't

[@jblmi1355]

yes

[@aurias42]

My thought is just Why not use the left hand side of the "loop" to directly load from the belts, and then run them around to the last lab which doesn't loop? Doesn't really seem to be much benefit of a loop at all, the key here is can the labs move research from the start to the end fast enough. And i imagine stack inserters could.

[@motorbyclist]

the beaconed labs in the left side of the loop would never do any research that way, and he wants the whole loop researching. He discusses this when talking about how it's essentially a pyramid layout. As for the feeder labs, I guess if he got rid of the feeder labs then he'd need a gap between every 3 belts and ruin the rainbow, and I think he's simply not considered using a row of cargo wagons in place of those feeder labs (he comments on this as if he would need to feed all 40+ science into each wagon which he clearly wouldn't) Agree though there was a bunch of ways to lay this out to prevent the issue of science perpetually doing laps of the labs, including filter stack inserters, or just using some yellow inserters to act as a brake to let the science backfill the loop while still allowing it to get to the feeder labs

[@MichaelHendriks]

I set my sights on a rainbow belt feeding into the labs without much clutter. If i can get 30SPM this way all other optimizations and vatiants are just unnecessary

[@aurias42]

@@MichaelHendriks that's fair haha. Sometimes when you have an idea you just want to see that idea work.

[@aurias42]

@@motorbyclist I suppose my thought is that because essentially all you're doing is moving Science along a line of labs, what you can then do is just extend that line to the right and then basically just create another whole loop that terminates right before it starts looping. You can then beacon that entire loop and get full efficiency that way.