360 Buckhammer vs 350 Legend vs 30-30 Win vs 35 Remington vs 45-70 gov't vs 450 Bushmaster!!!

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360 Buckhammer vs 350 Legend vs 30-30 Win vs 35 Remington vs 45-70 gov't vs 450 Bushmaster!!!

[@franksparks1126]

My takeaway is grandpa's 30-30 and/35 rem are definitely worth passing down to future generations of deer hunters.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Just picked up a NEW .30-30 the other day. Grandpa didn't hand any firearms down, both my grandpas weren't much into guns. Now my grandparents are gone. I have to give the next generation a chance.

[@peternorton5648]

Heck I’ve got all sorts of guns in many different calibers. Some I bought, many I inherited. All of them have stories and memories associated with them and that is what makes every one of them worth passing down to my kids.

[@roosar2001]

Agree, 30-30 will still live on, though I don't see much likelihood that 35 Rem leverguns would ever make a comeback now. In 360 Buckhammer you have a cartridge that is rimmed, more powerful than 35 Rem, and straight-walled--making it Midwest legal. 35 Rem is not rimmed (well, rebated rim like 308--but for the purposes of this argument, we'll say not rimmed), requiring it to have special consideration in leverguns. Honestly, 35 Rem in leverguns made no sense to me ever because 356 Winchester (30-30 necked to 358) was available. But either way, 360 Buckhammer will do for leverguns what 350 Legend did for modern sporting rifles. Millions of deer have already been taken with 350 Legend, I expect millions will fall to 360 Buckhammer over the next few years also.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@roosar2001 .307 WInchester, .308 Marlin Express, .338 Marlin Express, .348 Winchester... all great cartridges that are basically obsolete. Of course, none of these are straight-walled.

[@kevinblanton7567]

Yes it is!!

[@dandarling5990]

I'll stick with my .35 rem. It's what I have. The Lever Evolution ammo I stocked up on sure drops the deer. Should last me, one shot one deer. Very interesting and informative video! Thank you 👍

[@Grodd70]

I agree the .35 Remington (hope to pick one up) has been around a long time putting meat in freezers and just seems more versatile than a .360

[@pbeardy]

MAN! WHAT AN AWESOME VIDEO! True shooters do not need all the bullet slingin’ videos all the time. This was great analytical data that we can really sink our brains into. Thank you very much for doing this! Now it’s back to the charts👍

[@matttyreeoutdoors]

Any of them would make a fantastic deer cartridge, and I own several of them, but I have no problem sticking with my old 35 Rem Marlin 336. You can talk numbers all day, but the in person eye test really tells the story so much better. The 35 Rem just hits like a train, and whatever is in its way never makes it more than a couple steps. I have always thought it has something to do with the ratios of velocity, weight, and bullet diameter that just make those certain cartridges hit that little bit harder or drop deer where they stand much more frequently than other cartridges, and 35 Rem is one of them

[@thatguyfishingben4794]

Idk. I've been doing a study for the past 20 years and it's still on going. I've used 36 different centerfire calibers. That includes every single one that he has in this comparison. Every single one killed deer. I have my favorites 450 bushmaster, 30 30, 350 legend. At least 5 deer with each caliber in 17 different states. I keep track of caliber, velocity, bullet type, shot placement and what happened after the shot. I've found the only guaranteed way to drop a deer is a high shoulder/spine shot. The next best thing is a really fast bullet that rapidly expands so much that it almost blows up and comes apart. This tends to cause so much trauma that it tends to just drop them from the shock. But thats just my data from 20 years and over 180 animals. I've literally put 2 inch holes in a deers heart and completely liquefied a deers lungs form that static shock of the round. The deer literally had no lungs. When field dressed it all just poured out on the ground and the dude still went 80 yards. Then again I've shot several with 17 rem and they just dropped. You never know what gonna happen with a perfect heart lung shot. They drop sometimes and sometimes they run. But I've never had one round with any caliber from a high shoulder shot. Just my opinion from the data I've been keeping a record of. If anyone is interested the worst caliber so far is 30 06. 6 deer shot and 2 have managed to go over 50 yards before dieing. 2 went 20 yards. And 2 were dropped All perfect heart shots/or spine shots. The 2 that dropped were spine shots. All deer recovered and died withing 5 seconds so that tells you a lot. The worst performer in my study is still a killing machine. That's how lethal almost all centerfire rifles are. We often blame losing deer on the cartridge but I've found its often not it's a bad shot. I've had friends swear to me they made a perfect shot. He was never using 6.5 again. Only later after tracking for 3 hours to find they literally shot 18 inches back in the guts. Sorry this just went on and on. Just some info for anyone wanting to ponder some stuff in their minds.

[@raleighthomas3079]

I also dearly love my .35 Rem. Marlin, a ‘61 SC! BUT, the new 360 duplicates it with a 100+ fps boost, and will be available in heaps very soon. Hopefully Ruger/Marlin will chamber a new 336 in .360, as well as the Henry’s models.

[@PassivePortfolios]

The 350 Legend is the bolt action version of the 30-30, and legal in straight wall cartridge states. The 350 Legend is available in bolt action rifles which are cheaper than lever action rifles and inherently more accurate. And like the 30-30, the ammo is cheap and widely available. Neither kick much but are plenty powerful enough for deer, hogs and black bear. That's why the 350 Legend is very popular, and no only in straight wall cartridge states. Thanks for another great video.

[@airbornesoldieramerica7125]

Don't understand on why all these other gun companies don't make these new calibers in all model guns from pumps,lever actions, to semi auto etc... for what a particular person wants. Not everyone wants an ar-15 or bolt action or single shot style. If I was an CEO in 1 of these gun companies I would be jumping on this part of it.

[@cojack5941]

Sales are going to sci rocket now Arkansas is allowing this year straight wall in place of muzzleloader

[@PassivePortfolios]

@@cojack5941 And muzzleloader sales will plummet. Everyone will get their cheap 350 Legend bolt action rifles from Walmart.

[@sturisa]

Good stuff WTW, it shows the good ole .30-30 holds it's own! The 360 Buckhammer is not bad either.

[@destroyingdadxx2274]

Interesting chart. Hunting here in NH I’ve never had a shot over 60 yards in 30 years of hunting. In fact most of the deer I’ve taken were within 30 yards of me. Bottom line is for me my Remington 760 pump in 35 REM is more than sufficient for deer hunting. A friend of mine borrowed it years ago to drop a bull moose. Anyhow, I won’t be purchasing a new 360 buckhammer rifle cuz I Don’t need one. Looks like a good cartridge for the straight wall states. I’ve actually been hunting with 7.62x39 last few years. Cheap cartridge and works great on white tails. Keep up the good work and videos. Thanks.

[@maxpinson5002]

It's funny to see this comparison with the 30/30 included. People and the gun magazines have been saying for years how anemic the 30/30 is, and how it loses steam after a hundred yards. That tells me that they've never shot one extensively or taken game with one Thanks for the video

[@jackiegood3686]

Thoroughly done sir. Still impressed with the old 30-30 as well as the new 360BH. Thanks.

[@gregggruse2522]

Good information! I appreciate your efforts for those of us required to use straight wall cartridges. I agree with you about shooting distances for clean kills. I’ve never killed a deer beyond 150 yards. Long distance shots where I hunt are hard to find. The chart shows everyone what they need to know. I knew my 450 Bushmaster would drop like a stone but could be very effective at shorter distances. The Buck Hammer and the 30 30 are close just remember only one can legally hunt in straight wall states. I don’t feel threatened by any cartridge on here . I come away knowing the 360 Buck Hammer,the 350 legend and the 450 will work for me. Good video!

[@WombatAnnihilator]

The video we both want and need from the guntuber we will never deserve but always love.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

🙏🙏🙏

[@francisbarbeau1862]

I own a 35 Rem(Marlin) and Have NEVER had to track a Deer(Tracking job was 2 feet down)!!! No Caliber covers it all and NO Calibers should be bad mouthed! Oh and by the way, I have been hunting with a 35 rem for over 45 years(I own MANY rifle of which ! Have 2 Marlin 30-30's) ! remember 1 man's trash is another man's Treasure! I am disappointed that you felt you had to bad mouth A caliber! The 35 Rem is a GREAT Brush gun. I have killed a Black Bear that paid a surprise visit one night(took him out 1 shot) He weighed in at 347lbs(yup a Boar, field dressed, so over 400 on the Paw)! SO each to their own!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

I didn't bad mouth it. Just said it had worse ballistics

[@joshua_J]

If you have been hunting for 45 years and never had to track a deer with your 35 then you must be the best shot in the entire world or are the luckiest sob on the planet. It doesn't matter what caliber you shot eventually you are going to have to track a deer they all do not drop in their tracks. I hate to say it but I call bullshit. This is coming from someone who has only hunted for 30 years.

[@TheGoodguy68]

My uncle got back from WWII and purchased a Marlin 336 with 2 boxes of shells from Flint hardware for $26.00 He gave me that rifle along with a 300 Savage 99 he purchased for $31.00 with 2 boxes of shells from the same hardware store. I had won a 300 Weatherby from a DU banquet and wanted to shoot a deer with it. Opening day bang and the dang thing ran 100 yards into a cedar swamp..... go figure. I was thinking the 300 WBY mag was going to drop, cut and wrap the deer with 1 shot. Second day of season I grabbed the 35 REM and did a little still hunting along the railroad grade. Had a nice buck come out and put the glass on him and spotted a nice drop tine. Looked like a pretty far shot so I held a little high knowing the bullet drop and squeezed the trigger knowing it'd be a good hit or a clean miss with him quartering towards me. The shot dropped him in a pile where he stood. Absolutely impressed the heck out of me coming from a old $26.00 rifle!

[@TheGoodguy68]

Anyways it was 177 paces from the shot to the buck.

[@Ray-ho8dw]

@@joshua_J I have killed a lot of deer with everything under the sun and it's all in shot placement .The last of deer season here in SC I killed a nice spike buck at 25 yards the old 35 Remington cut him for flap dead on the spot

[@quadsman11]

Genuinely appreciate you doing this comparison WhooTee ! I have been a long time user of a .35 Remington, which, for our hunting environment, has been perfect ! Heavy brush, steep hills, and 50yrds. or less ! But always wondered how it compared !

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Appreciate you watching

[@dalesearcy5734]

What I see is that Remington finally made a cartridge that could almost keep up with the tried and true old Winchester 30-30 round. It only took them over 100 years to get there! I understand that it was developed for States that only allow straight wall cartridges though.

[@briangabriel4165]

Uas a 160 FTX in the 30-30 and the difference is bigger.

[@baddazzriderturner3321]

Ya I wish my state allowed it but no,so I have 350 legend and it's great

[@garyK.45ACP]

They had the .30 Remington in 1906, just 11 years after the .30-30 appeared and it was the ballistic twin of the .30-30 but rimless. It was chambered in the Model 8 semi auto rifles and the Model 14 pump rifles. Both of which could use pointed bullets.

[@icTroy]

Thank you for taking the time to compile the info. Save me a bunch of work! Underwood has a 350 Legend Triple Shock X 170Gr hunting cartridge that's pretty impressive. Personally, I would like to see the 444 Marlin reintroduced by Marlin as production increases. Toss that into your chart and have another look! That's a few years out I (optimistic)!

[@blacktusk2557]

Great vid! I have lots of choices, but for hogs and deep under 200yds the 30-30 is my go to. I must admit after all the hype about the .350 legend, its numbers weren’t that impressive to me. Now they’ve come out with the .400 legend (think 10mm super magnum for a rifle). I would be interested to see how that compares when they’re available. Thanks…

[@adamfranks4118]

Well, I know for me the 35 Remington is more fun to shoot than the 30-30 Win. That being said they are all fun to shoot!

[@brianlee6849]

I've been thinking about the 360 Buckhammer since your first video. You were the one that brought it to my attention. When I looked up the Sammi specs it really got me interested because it has a pressure of 50,000 psi. The 35 Remington is only 35,000 psi. So my big question which is yet to be answered because nobody has any load data yet is what can this thing be handloaded to? That's what I'm really curious about. I can't wait for load data to come out. Thank you you're doing great job buddy 👍

[@GRAE_GHOST]

You should do a straightwall only comparison with the 360 buckhammer, 350 Legend, 45-70, 450 bushmaster, and 50 beowulf

[@jamiegubrud7896]

Great video!! Thanks for the comparison. My take is that the 30/30 always had plenty of power and the new stuff isn’t really that much better but if it’s a straight wall state the hammer is great.

[@TheDespairbear]

Liked the color chart, made things very clear.

[@robertsahli9998]

Nice video! These calibers are hard hitters at close range. Crazy the most energy comes from one of the oldest cartridges, the 45/70! Long range shooting with these are practice and knowledge of your cartridge!

[@idaho1959kkidd]

Really! How bout' Browning Lever Action in 30'06 my load for the deep woods is a Remington 220 gr. Core Lok't

[@maxpinson5002]

Everybody should be practicing at the range that they intend shooting at with whatever they intend to use. Just like shotgun shooters pattern their shotguns before heading afield to shoot at game. Every gun is different, so that's just good ethics and good sense

[@bestestusername]

Here in Australia it has to be the 3030, its the only one I can get ammo absolutly anywhere even in the middle of nowhere👍

[@AndyViant]

It depends on the state because .30-.30 is not deer legal everywhere. That's why I got my 308 and now my 350, because I rarely need shots over 200 metres.

[@rquest3059]

Excellent data you put together. Thank you for all your research. Much appreciated.

[@jimiandersonblackknight7554]

I enjoy how everybody is bagging on 350 legend, with a 180 grain bullet. The only problem is if you know about 350 legend, which I do, quite a few others do as well, the 180 is not the bullet of choice, especially amongst those of us who reload! Try looking at the numbers for the hornady interlock soft nose, 170 grain bullet. That’s the one that was used to get the North American grand slam pushed by IMR 4227 Powder lol! Funny how the numbers improve with the right bullet!

[@kingfisher302]

Have 3 of these caliber love 350 the 450 is a beast don't care for the muzzle blast on 450 30 - 30 is a nostalgic gun 360 should fit right in.

[@MattWaller04]

Now that’s a heavy hitting lineup!

[@brokenarrow6491]

I hunt in a straight walled cartridge county and use the 350 legend. I use a 160 grain copper bullet at 2325 fps. It's been great. A guy I know uses an AR 350 legend and he killed two does right at 260 yards. I looked at the 450 bushmaster too but it was sooo loud compared to the 350 legend and I hunt near some houses so I went with the 350 and was pleasantly surprised. I wouldn't go back to my 12 gauge slugs.

[@raleighthomas3079]

Great video comparing all the great woods rounds, young and old. I shoot 30/30, .35 Rem., and .45/70, and they all work great, but I really like the balance of power of the .35 Rem. The new 360 duplicates the Rem. but with a 100+ fps boost. I’ve seen both loaded rounds, and Rem. uses the identical bullet for both 200 gr. rounds. Combined with how popular and effective it’s going to become in the straight wall states, I think it will be here to stay, and the 360 is a great round!

[@reggieswindeall7438]

Watched this again. I owned a savage 30 30 pump as a kid. Why hasn't someone put out a 30 30 ar. Stack feed se bullet design. Win win. Thanks and keep up the good work

[@garypollard9770]

This is all in all a very good video. One thing it does prove tho is that the old .30-.30 is still a very good deer rifle. Even after all of these new calibers the. .30 still holding it’s own!

[@robyevans8144]

Well done, indeed. Seems to me that regardless of all the data the Winchester 30-30 both 150 and 170 grains are ranking in the top tier out to 200 yards. Works for me. Can’t see justification for a 360 buckmaster $$$ when it’s marginal to me. Keep up the great work, appreciate your time and quality of detail.

[@darrellmorse1894]

Roby, in states that mandate straight wall brass the 360 makes perfect sense. Like shooting a 30-30. I have a 350 Legend, but waiting on Henry to get the 360 into production to add another rifle to the rack.

[@tmcd6523]

Always love the 30-30 my pick as a brush gun. Cheers

[@MisterBrewer]

Thanks for the comparison video! Interesting numbers for sure. I think bullet diameter and construction also plays an important role in terminal performance beyond what the energy numbers show on paper.

[@ShofarCry]

Good informative video. I put together charts like this all the time for personal use. Spoke my language and helped settle my mind on a curiosity I had not researched yet.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching

[@josephtaylor8689]

This was really good information. I like the looks of the 360 Buckhammer. I have been looking for a rifle that could push a 200 + grain bullet with good short to medium-range ballistics. It looks like the 360 Buckhammer fills that space. I viewed a video of a person shooting through the brush to see how vegetation affected the impact on a 50-yard line-of-sight target. Regardless of the round, it appears that a 200 + grain bullet was able to defeat most vegetation allowing an impact on the target. Bullets of lower grain weight and/or higher velocity were deflected at a rate that made those choices of rounds undesirable for hunting in the brush. The 170-grain 3030 round showed a deflection of an amount that was concerning. Anything firing a 200 + grain bullet showed minimal deviation resulting in potential kill strikes. Pack on the fact this is a straight-walled cartridge and you have a brush gun for all states; WOW!

[@keithrankin6113]

Awesome information and great video as always!!!! But all these guns are way more capable with the right reloads. For instance my 350 legend with 170 Gr bullet shoots 2360 at the muzzle and keeps more energy at every level than the 30-30. You use the right powder you don’t get pressure signs in fact this is a middle of the range load. At 200 yards my legend only has 6.4 inches of drop and 1350 flbs of energy. At the muzzle is shooting 2360 and 2060 energy. This is a flat shooter period.

[@TheGeekiestGuy]

That rim reminds me of the 45-70. This is gonna be a good one. Thanks for doing testing for us folk, WTW.

[@eddiehuff7366]

Well I guess Dad (85 years old)knows his stuff. The 'old timey' 30-30 is still hard to beat in East Tennessee at 200yards or less which is the only practical distances with all our trees.

[@leonhart2452]

As a few noted, this is a good cartridge for straight walled cases states. As many don't see is most of the cartridges like the 45-70 are too long for some states. These states require straight wall cases 1.8 inches long. Others bottle neck cases are ok, but still need to be 1.8 8nches long. There are lever guns made in straight wall cases 1.8 inches long or less that might be worth looking into. The 500 and 460 SW come to mind. These loads listed are factory loads. With the 35 Rem, warmed up hand loads can match or slighter better the 360 BH. In the states where the necked 1.8 8nch case rule is in effect, they trim the 35R case to 1.8, load the coal to match the 35 R. They then warm the loads up and get very good results. If you don't live in a state with such restrictions, great, use what you have. I live in a state without such restrictions yet. I have a 1894 in 44 Mag. Great short range rifle. For where I can shoot longer ranges I have bolt guns in cartridges capable of the needed performance. Several of the cartridge on the list where designed not so much to fit these restrictions but they do. They were designed to fit the AR-15 style rifles action length. They can be found in bolt guns as well. I have often thought that re barreling a 30-30 to a 35-30, or with a full length straight case. Similar to the 375, just in 35cal. This would be easier to find jacketed bullets for than the 375. Not many makers make them any more. This 35-30 should exceed the performance of the 360 H by a significant amount. Perhaps nearing the 358 W. This would extend the range by 100yds, or a bit more. It would have a bit more recoil than the 360 but be les than cartridges like the 45-70, 444, 375. Maybe even handle heavier bullets up to 250grs or more. Be real thumper on game large than deer.

[@thefeatheredfrontiersman8135]

I'm still so freaking glad I bought a bushmaster. My deer tactic is still under heavy cover. Open grasslands I'll switch to the -06.

[@arthurlagasse1994]

WTW what you need to get is a CVA SCOUT in 35 Remington or 30/ 30 and have your buddy load up some spire points ! Totally different animal! Hornaday leverevolution: 200 great @ 2226@ the muzzle!! Just hope Remington let's some of those .358 bullets out so us handloaders can feed our 35's,ie 35 Remington, 358 win. 350 Remington mag & imo 5he best one of all 35 Whelan! Thank to the best KZbin out there !

[@sydneynova662]

Nice breakdown as always 👍✌️

[@zanebrown2845]

I love my marlin m375 knocks them down where they stand. 50yds to 100yds great gun this year it will be 40 yrs old looks as good as the day I bought it. 1st deer I shot was a 9 pointer 235lbs. At 75 yes through light brush down and out. All guns mentioned are good. But thought I mention the 375 marlin. Thanks good luck men. Semper-Fi

[@ApexRifles]

So informative. Thank you!! Please make an updated video with .444 marlin and 400 legend.

[@briansearles4473]

Been shooting a 35 Rem for quite a few years and don't understand why it's not more popular? My handloads with 220 grain Speer bullets hit hard. Real world performance out in the field counts more than paper ballistics.

[@nathanlambshead4778]

Thanks for the vid. I guess this old woods hunter will stick with his 170 grain 30-30s. They still do the trick. If I was still young and working though, I would like one of those straight wall jobs. I'd probably still end up with old school 45-70 knowing me.

[@jeffm862]

I love your stuff buddy and I know you get asked a lot of question some good some bad, I really want to see you do what you do best shoot them and compare plates, clay, water jugs.Keep it up buddy.

[@MDR-hn2yz]

I prefer the classics. I’ve killed plenty of deer with my.35 Remington and my only complaint is a lack of ammo. I’ve also recently started hunting with my 45-70 and within the primarily 100 yards or less where I hunt, 45-70 is just about perfect. I’m sure.360 Buckhammer is great. But right now I am good with what I got. Same with 6.5 Creedmoor. My cousin swears by it and thinks I am rediculous for not buying one. But I have still killed more deer with my trusty .270 Winchester.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Your cousin will eventually mature and see a bigger picture within ballistics and firearms trends. Nothing new is being created, for the most part. Just new people getting into a game that's been around a very long time. New stuff is smokeless powders and bottleneck casings and high strength steels, or the ability to measure bullet flight with radar. Nothing else is inherently new. Even with all the whizz bang bullet shapes and polymer and extruded chassis, there will be people shooting slow and heavy blunt nosed bullets plowing through bones and tissues like they always have.

[@davidrussell631]

So thankful I DON’T live in a straight wall cartridge state, but if they allowed a .444 Marlin, I’d find one not made during the Remington years. That’s a no-brainer for a grown man but if recoil is an issue that 350 Legend is pretty dang efficient. Can’t wait to sight in my Leupold compact 20mm scope my wife just got my Marlin 35 rem for Christmas! That’s my favorite woods gun for sure. If I need to hunt in the rain or shoot farther than 100 yds I’ll take my 308 or my 270. Can’t wait to hear from Midway USA when their Federal HammerDown 35 rem comes in! That’s Federal Premium ammo for the 35 Rem w/ 220 gr. boo-lots!

[@rodkirt9273]

I have always had a “ love “ for the 3030 Winchester rifle .!

[@TheWVgoodguy22]

You already know that I recently (last September) moved to Ohio and would like to get at least one straight wall cartridge rifle. Probably an inexpensive AR 15 or bolt action (preferably left hand) in 350L, 400L, or 450 BM then save up for a lever gun in 360 Buckhammer 🦌🔨 (preferably when Henry chambers it in their All Weather). 😎🇺🇸

[@Publiclandhunter-we6xh]

35 Remington is a pretty underrated deer cartridge. South west PA I’ve used a marlin 336 with a 2-7 redfield for 15 years. I load a Speer 180 grain at 2300 fps and it knocks deer down! I really wish they would quit making new cartridges that do the same thing and just make ammunition/reloading supplies for stuff that’s been around. I don’t see why the straight wall states couldn’t just give a list of cartridges you can use and allow the 30-30 and 35 Remington. It’s not like they are laser beams by any means compared to the 350 legend.

[@toddjohnson271]

Infringement is tried......and then forged forward. They don't allow any right or freedom they conquer.

[@chasrmartel4777]

Nice thing about this cartridge is 35 Remington ballistics with a cartridge that can easily be formed from 30-30. Even if it fails commercially the rifle will still be usable for a hundred years.

[@markdershem2693]

No you can't the 3030 is a rimd cartridge and the 35 rem is a rimless cartridge

[@chasrmartel4777]

@@markdershem2693 I meant 360 Buckhammer not 35 Remington. I said 35 Remington BALLISTICS.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

.360 Buckhammer is merely a State-compliance cartridge, as it does nothing that the .358-bullet-slinging .35 Remington has already done for a long time. While the .35 Remington was designed for a purpose, the .360 Buckhammer will always be a reminder to Americans how their 2nd Amendment rights are being trampled.

[@mjc4942]

This just popped up. Great video again. So much information. Thanks!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching!

[@charlesmckown2213]

I have researched the lot of them but the 30_30 family has been great

[@arthurshingler2025]

The Buckhammer loaded with a Hornady 200 grain FTX (pointed bullet), at velocity of 2200 fps.... in a singleshot or in a lever action...... it sounds like the PERFECT deer hunting combo! I typically use round nose in my 35 Remington or my 356 Winchester.... but use that particular Hornady FTX bullet at that velocity, should be best. The Hornady 200 gr. FtX bullet was tested in my 358 Winchester at 2500 fps. and it exploded too much. Reducing the velocity down to 2100 or 2200, proved to be the best and maximum velocity to get GREAT expansion, penatration.... without bullet "explosition".

[@rodneyhanbaum697]

Great video and those charts were on point! no pun intended! Appreciate you WTW!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Appreciate you watching

[@MrSjcod]

Nothing against any of the other cartridges but I appreciate my .30-30.

[@zxej6879]

Interesting presentation! The charts were an excellent comparison of competitors in the range class. I own two 350 Legend bolt action rifles. At some point I will buy an AR15 style rifle with various caliber uppers. Such as 350 Legend, 6 ARC, and 6.5 Grendel. But I look forward to a Henry 360 Buckhammer. And a revolver in 360 Buckhammer that because of the rimed case. Would not require moon clips like my 9mm Chiappa Rhino does.

[@toddboyce8678]

Wish you could include the sectional density of these various bullets..you talk about shooting 200-300 yards and energy, people need to understand how the bullet is going to penetrate when it gets there. With these low energy numbers at distance, felt like it was important to point out

[@t.c.f.fuller8867]

THANK YOU.... LOOKING TO BUY A NEW RIFFLE... ANYTHING ON .400 LEGEND VS. THE 360 BH

[@muzzleblast88]

The best KZbin gun channels are from my fellow Tennessee fellows

[@WHOTEEWHO]

🙏🙏🙏

[@adamneville1809]

I really like the 35 Rem.. I have never lost a deer after shooting them with a 35 Rem. I would like to see Hornady get busy and put some on the self.

[@toddjohnson271]

I think Remington is the only maker now.....and not sure if Ruger is making 35 rem models. It's going out sadly.

[@DJ-of-the-Hudson]

The rounds used for the .45-70 are not what many of us use anymore.(though I like 405 for reloading) The Hornaday 325 or an Extreme penetrator are way hotter at 2000+ fps and have a better ballistics. The 35 Rem using Hornaday is the same way.

[@Cynicalthrust]

Making me feel good about .350 Legend over here. Middle of the road or slightly above average on both charts across the board.

[@ComradCyborg]

I'm just getting into lever guns and since I only want one for fun and enjoy hunting in new places I'll probably go with the new hotness the 360 Buckhammer for the straight wall that just about matches the trusted 30-30. But I can use it anywhere just in case I end up hunting a straight wall state at any point in the rest of my life, you never know. Between 300 WSM and 6.5 PRC this will fit it's niche just right.

[@JamesTyler000]

I would like to see a clay test with 45-70 vs 444 Marlin.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Me too

[@roboman3678]

@@WHOTEEWHO ad 450 marlin in there also.

[@drewt1081]

I've used a Marlin in .35 for ever. It's a great bush gun. Not really made for shootin them light loads.

[@Dwayne7834]

Looking forward to seeing the comparison video.

[@bluegrassmando6878]

Great job the only thing you may want to consider adding in the future is the felt recoil energy.

[@Chris_Garman]

They all drop like stones when you are used to looking at higher velocity and BC data. Doesn't matter too much if you hunt in the woods I guess. The bushmaster is spicier than I expected.

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

Popular calibers for midwest and east where long range shots aren’t as common. Farthest shot I’ve taken was 70~ yards hunting in here northern New England… I use a .30-06 now, but have used a .270 WSM, .30/30, 45/70, 6.5 Creedmooor, .350 Legend and a .243. Where I hunt none are more lethal then the other in terms of the range I need to shoot…

[@bestestusername]

Come on people get on his patreon we know we all want to see a water jug comparison between ALL these rounds!

[@ALPHAOUTDOORS117]

450 bush 45-70 and 30-30 are my favorite of these

[@davidcole7757]

All good. Think I'll get a buckhammer to go along with the rest.

[@einarhornraiser9019]

Doggone, I wish I could find some .35 Remington on a store shelf! Everywhere online wants $3, $4, $5 bucks a round for it these days!

[@Mark-uq9km]

I'm not sure what formula you are using to compute the muzzle energy of your various cartridges. The formula I use to compute energy at the muzzle would be: velocity squared x mass /450,240. Using this formula the 180 gr Buck Hammer would have ME of 2303 ft.lbs. (V)2400 x 2400 = 5,760,000 x (M)180 = 1,036,800,000/450,240 = 2302.77. The 450,240 is the constant similar to pi in determining circular circumference. Downrange energy can be computed if you know the velocity of the bullet at varying yardages. Please, if anyone knows better than I, I ask you to let me know. Sometimes I'm not as intelligent as I think I am. (Just ask my wife.) However, I've used this formula to compute energy on various rounds where the manufacturer has published the G1 ballistics and they are always the same. I use this same formula in my reloading endeavors. Also, unfortunately Remington under powers their .35 Remington rounds as do Winchester and Federal. I'm not sure why but it may because of people still using the Remington Model 8 or some of the older leveractions with less modern builds. Hornady kicks up the performance of the .35 Rem some with their Leverevolutions loading. Published muzzle velocity of the 200 gr Leverevolution is 2250 with ME of 2249 vs. the Remington 200 grain ME of 1980. I think that's a significant difference. That's a 12% increase in power and with a better BC. I fully expect Hornady to jump into the Buck Hammer game using their already available 200 grain FTX bullet with the polymer tip for tubular magazines. I appreciate all you do in educating us about the .350 Legend and .360 Buck Hammer. When Remington is selling a ton of 360 ammo and Henry is making a ton of money building their rifle for this new round I think they should thank you for all you do making sure people who hunt and shoot and love firearms in general know all there is to know.

[@preacherbiggin]

What about barrel length the rounds were tested on? Did I miss that part? Thanks who tee for all your great content!

[@EricChmelarsky]

The grand old 35 Remington is loaded at very low pressure, lots of old model pump rifles out there, model 14, 14 1/2, and 141. I have loaded some of 35 rem up to higher pressure for the Marlin 336, it meets and can surpass the 360 buckhammer in velocity, especially with Hornady FTX boolots.

[@wiljolley3143]

Lots of work, many thanks....

[@furmanmackey5479]

Since I have very, very little chance of hunting deer or hogs in a straight wall cartridge state I will stick with my .30-30s, my favorite of all lever gun cartridges a .35 Remington, and for that slim chance of hunting in a straight wall state my beloved .444 Marlin launching 265grn SJRNSPs. I COULD be talked into a .36 BMHR, if a state ruled the .444 Marlin to be a tapered cartridge, but most likely I'd have to go with a lever gun chambered in .45-70 with "warmish" handloads and 350ish grain SJRNSPs.

[@chrisblake1918]

Is it possible to rechamber my Ruger American in 350 Legend to 360 Buckhammer? Bore is the same, power is a bit higher.

[@twp616]

I like the three old timers in the center of your picture. I'll stay with them. But if I lived in a straight wall cartridge state, the 360 would be my choice. But then again my Marlin 1894 in 44 Mag easily takes Whitetail and hogs out to 150 yards.

[@iamnobody9542]

So, given that some consider 1000 ft lbs the min for deer, ALL these but the hot 45-70 are 150 yd deer guns. #1, They are woods guns, not open prairie antelope guns. #2, Fast handling short lever actions with open or peep sights work really well for such woods hunting. #3, Trajectories are flat enough for such hunting to 150 yards with a 100 -125 yd zero. Conclusion, The old timer deer hunters knew what they were doing. Jerry

[@jimjim753]

Where does 460 s.w. fall into these rounds?

[@jeffreymacdonald4226]

You have to look at Hornady Leverrevolution ammo in 30-30 and 35 rem

[@waynemetzger6251]

I think the 360 remington is winner!!

[@texaszombie7689]

I have been waiting on this one.

[@ethanamldon5657]

I'll stick with my 30/30 I can't see more than 60 yards through the woods where I hunt anyway lol there's some thick brush in SC

[@dr.froghopper6711]

Love me some 35 Remington!

[@Perry2186]

I feel like these number are off does remington load their 35 light for use in model8/81s

[@dr.froghopper6711]

@@Perry2186 well, it’s definitely not a sniper round and, even with Hornady flex tip bullets, it’s only good to 150-200 yards. But inside those limits it’s a thumper. Kills elk, deer, bear just fine. I prefer 30-30 but I inherited my dad’s 336 Marlin in 35 Remington when he passed on. It’s a 1951 model with a waffle top and Ballard rifling. I doubt that my dad put 200 rounds through the rifle.

[@Perry2186]

@@dr.froghopper6711 Yeah you don't have to sell me on 35 Remington I love my Marlin I feel confident with any American game inside 200 yd

[@mantzbrinkman4780]

HW. Thanks for the video. A thing I wonder about when you do comparisons with the 45-70, I wonder what kind of load you are using. In my experience, the 45-70 cowboy loads are the bottom of the heap in terms of power.... even though that load killed LOT's of bison. Even the standard pressure Remington are pretty weak compared to say... a typical 30-06 load. However, I also have 45-70 loads that - if I shoot them sitting on a rest - I need to see the chiropractor the next day as they are approaching 4k f.p.e. So, I would appreciate it if you identified the loads you are shooting, particularly with the 45-70. Thanks.

[@glennpupino4890]

When Ohio first allowed straight walled rifle hunting I built a 375 Winchester from a 30-30 lever gun. Out of all the calibers back then I thought I was ahead of the game. Now they are basically making copies of it.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

.375 and .38-55 are pretty cool stuff. Why the .38-55 has hung around in new chambers (Winchester, Henry) and .375 went away? Beats me. I know Buffalo Bore makes a stout .38-55. The advantages with these medium-large bore cartridges is a carry-over philosophy from the black powder era: Can't increase pressure due to BP limitations and steel integrity limitations (in the late 1800's), so increase bullet density. These don't have a lot of speed, but they have a lot of penetration performance due to their sectional density and high momentum numbers. Too much focus is given to bullet drop and windage these days, probably due to a lack of rifleman skill to compensate. Very low-drag bullets are all the rage. If a rifleman can guide a bullet to the intended target no matter how much it drops or blows sideways, who cares about anything except how it performs terminally?

[@glennpupino4890]

@Lifted_Above I've grown to love the .375. Being an avid handloader for many years and a bullet caster made using an obsolete caliber a non issue for me. The ballistics of the .375 are excellent plus it's putting out 50,000 plus psi.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@glennpupino4890 You're using the bonefide .375 Winchester casing dimensions? I know .38-55 can take a lot more in the day of smokeless powders and high strength steels, but how does that compare to the .375 casing?

[@glennpupino4890]

@Lifted_Above Yes. When I load full power 375 loads I only use real 375 brass. For my cast bullet loads I use fire formed 30-30 brass.

[@kesleycottrell1416]

I haven't messed with the new stuff but they do look interesting.

[@king_Charles501]

Great video, keep them coming.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Thanks for watching!

[@airbornesoldieramerica7125]

They say 35 Remington was Frank Hamer favorite deer calibers back then, if you know who Frank Hamer was. If you don't know who he was, he was the Texas Ranger went after Bonnie and Clyde. And 35 Rem its 1 of my favorite deer calibers to. But if Frank Hamer was still around with us and he lived or hunted in an restricted deer hunting zone in 1 of those states now days, my guess is Hamer probably approve with this new 360 Buck-hammer caliber, since Hamer he mostly was more of an 35 Rem and even somewhat of a 30-30 guy.

[@edwardberns1341]

350 I like for whitetail, 450 and 45-70 for black bears.

[@russellkeeling4387]

It seems to me by the information on this chart that velocity has everything to do with the drop. The BC doesn't mean anything here really. One thing I find interesting is the 170 grain 30-30 only drops a little less than an inch more than the 150 grain bullet at 200 yards but I would assume the 170 grain bullet at that range would produce more energy.

[@user-bi5if1ip6t]

Thank you for the data grid

[@dennisowen3717]

Thanks for puting this video out there WhoTee. That 360 is a great Cartridge. I can see it going far in performance and in sales. But as I've told you before on the 350 Legend. It just don't quite cut it. At closer ranges yes. But as you can testify to from your own Deer hunt that 360BH is a serious contender. You're a good ol boy. And I appreciate these videos you put out. Keeps me entertained.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Appreciate you watching

[@korazjian5251]

350 legend is still the go to for straight wall states....sure theres 450 bushmaster but i barely see it in shops atm...and when i do its 60-70 a box. I'm not convinced its worth it to switch to a round thats barely alive right now, we'll see a year from now when there more manufacturers on board with its hype. I grew up out in Oregon where it was mostly 6.5 creedmoor and .338 win mag for elk so im a bit bummed out to be in Ohio for deer anymore lol

[@TheTonygong]

Pretty cool, thanks for sharing!