Top 5 People To Blame For The PAC-12 Collapse | George Kliavkoff | Larry Scott | ESPN | Fox Sports

[@1185AspAve]

B12: lost 6 teams in 10 years PAC: "Hold my Bud Light". Lost its whole conference in 2 years.

[@sethderusseau3429]

Facts.

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

Never forget that Fox and ESPN wanted the Big XII and Pac 12 to merge. It largely has, as far as being split between the Big 10 and XII.

[@jimmbear3998]

I was surprised the PAC 12 made zero moves to add more teams after USC and UCLA left. They could have added SDSU which would have given them the San Diego market and SDSU just made the NCAA basketball championship game so they get a basketball power. They could have added UNLV to have a presence in the surging Vegas market. They could have added Colorado St and Utah St to reunite them with Colorado and Utah. There were so many moves they could have made to strengthen the conference but they didn’t.

[@roris5882]

The Alliance accomplished their ONLY mission, which was to shut down the ESPN/SEC monopolization of the expanded college football playoff system. The B1G, ACC, and Pac12 all voted as a block against extending the playoff contract that ESPN controls because they want the new playoffs going to the open market so every major TV network can bid on the playoff games, which will drive it's value through the roof. ESPN and the SEC tried to pull a fast one so they could not only control the newly expanded playoffs but to pack it with SEC teams to benefit themselves financially because directly afterwards Texas and Oklahoma announced they were heading to the SEC. Then the B1G had to retaliate, for their own survival, by adding the 2 LA schools. All that nonsense about Alliance members scheduling non-con games against each other was ridiculous because nothing is stoping them from doing it now. The reason some Alliance members were saying that and using it for cover was because they were too scared to piss off ESPN because all 3 Alliance members currently have TV deals with ESPN. So after the Alliance made their vote there was no reason for it to exist.

[@LuisGonzalez-b7f]

The Pac 10/12 did nothing when the NCAA unfairly dropped the hammer on SC. That is when the actual demise of the PAC 12 started.

[@cleaterose5914]

The university presidents who hired Scott; remained greedy and tone deaf: %75 Larry Scott, easier to list what he did right: %20 George Kliavkoff, to late to matter much: %5

[@davidfloyd9134]

1. Should be ESPN & SEC & Texas.

[@mitchellquartero]

Right on The spot good Video

[@Field_Marshall]

Years ago we would never talked about tv networks getting involved in college football. More money more problems

[@mmiller73]

Pac12 fans deserve some of the blame as well. Empty stadiums and low ratings are the reason why the networks weren’t willing to pay what the Pac12 wanted.

[@xcodeine2]

It’s hard to go to games that start after 8pm and you not getting home until after midnight. Some people got kids and families lol and low ratings were because most people couldn’t watch because of the pac12 network not being part of their tv provider. How is that the fans fault?

[@NorthwestOpenSeason]

@@xcodeine2Exactly

[@al.n.darodda6183]

Miller is an idiot. Cable TV has killed the product. Soon there will be. 25-team super league. Back in the day all games were on Saturday afternoon 1pm local time. All college games sellouts. Thanks to cable TV, league games became staggered. For example, Arizona plays at 12pm; Stanford at 3pm, Oregon at 5pm; USC at 8pm … etc. etc. Why do football TV money gets split up with Olympic sports. In addition, why should the big dogs (USC & UCLA) share $$$ with schools in the boonies

[@newyorknole2225]

Night games happen all over the country but Pac12 fans are the only people that complain about it. It's 6-7 SATURDAYS per year. If you can't figure out how to pack a stadium under those circumstances, then football clearly isn't as important to you as it is everywhere else.

[@Mr.Guardian8623]

@@newyorknole2225 In there defense I don’t think they compare. The west has it pretty bad especially if they want the country to watch.

[@scottybthebaylorking6736]

Nailed this Paul

[@patriot428]

I have a feeling shutting down Pac12 stadiums so long after other stadiums and teams we’re playing played a lot into the break up.

[@swingforthefences7439]

Thank you for naming the 12 school presidents of all the Pac-12 universities. In addition to TV failures, they could've fired Larry Scott at any time during his tenure. Should've been gone far earlier. All it would've taken was a vote. They never did. What they DID DO, was only watch out for their own school.

[@seasonticketsholder1877]

No, Larry Scott is numero uno and it's not close. It's admirable that Kliavkoff thought he could put out a dumpster fire, but this naive belief does not put him ahead of the man holding the the torch. Agreed on all the bystanders who watched and thought setting it ablaze was a good idea are complicit and therefore share guilt, but the man holding the torch is Larry Scott. Towards the end you can hear Catalina himself not convinced at his own take. Larry Scott left the thing far worse than he found it, Kliavkoff couldn't pull off a miracle and was left holding the bag.

[@carsonc29]

to be fair, GK couldnt have saved the PAC by taking the 30 million offered by ESPN instead of going to market..that bone headed move allowed the B12 to swoop in and get the deal the PAC would have gotten..I understand the University Presidents thought they could get more..but it was HIS job to keep it real with them and let them know no one is giving them 50 million per team..he cowered down and the PAC dying was the result

[@DT-un3bu]

This. Kliavkoff tried to clea. Up the mess Larry Scott made. Bad decisions that cost schools money

[@MollieC-uc1fk]

Don't you find it "strange" that the teams absorbed into other conferences are getting the full money benefit for joining that conference...hmmm, why wasn't the money available to the PAC in the first place? Thing is, it was, they just wanted more. That amount will be what they should have asked for in the first place and with room to get more in tier 2/3 revenue. They (as in the powers that be) didn't care about which conference would die - it was either the Big12 or the PAC - but that scenario changed once Yormark came on the scene...but they continued pitting them against each other during this whole time. The Big12 was expected to die, we have been the most poached conference. People need to get it in their heads this has been going on for decades...who isn't getting poached? Who is taking all of the elite programs? What is their overall agenda? What conferences get most of the media revenue? Time to wake up folks on who has been behind it all along with the media.

[@DavidM442]

Strange that it took a crisis for PAC teams to say yes!

[@observer46-vh5bm]

What is strange? UCLA and USC are getting more. That is it. The four corners schools are getting pretty much what ESPN offered and the PAC rejected, about $30 million. The other four schools are getting much much less. How do you conclude that more money is available to the PAC? Ignore the LA schools and much much less per team is available. Four about even, the rest much less.

[@MollieC-uc1fk]

@@observer46-vh5bm I guess you don't get where I'm coming from, seems the media is full on wanting to help the PAC schools in another conference in a TV deal compared to where they were in the PAC. I wasn't talking about UCLA or USC, of course they're getting more. And this is what happens when you reject the negotiation that was comparable to the Big 12 offer. And I never said the PAC conference would get more money. And they (PAC 12 conference) still owe quite a bit as well which will have to come out of revenue this year in their current deal that is if they don't stay alive with 2 schools as discussed on other shows.

[@emeraldwind]

PAC 12 should have had a tier system like before 2010. USC would have stayed in the PAC 12 with the extra money.

[@springinfialta106]

In the short run giving more money to USC might have kept them in the PAC 12, but eventually over time they would be getting more money, better players, and dominating the conference. Those teams getting less money would become a bunch of Rutgers.

[@emeraldwind]

@@springinfialta106 - Rutgers making 75 million a year is a bad thing?

[@Knightowl1980]

It wouldn’t make a difference

[@aaronwright6340]

@@springinfialta106 they already have all that extra money and better recruitment and they haven't dominated the Pac in years Utah and Oregon dominate the Pac

[@carsonc29]

@@emeraldwind the Rutgers example had to do with their lack of competitiveness..they were basically saying giving USC that much of an edge would make every other PAC team uncompetitive..USC would dominate the PAC like Gonzaga does the WAC in basketball

[@DMS-pq8]

The Big 12 didn't die because after UT and OU left there wasn't any teams left worth poaching

[@TheDisruptiveOne]

true, parity helped

[@TheDisruptiveOne]

@@FH-zv1ke i was not a fan of the ucf and houston adds. but those adds may have already paid for themselves. without those adds, maybe there is no tv deal for the big 12. without those adds, maybe colorado doesn't come. so the big 12 does deserve a lot of credit

[@carsonc29]

@@TheDisruptiveOne I think in time Houston will be worth its..its a good market with lots of potential...they werent always bad in football..

[@GBU61]

The PAC stopped caring about football and allowed itself to fall apart. From my standpoint I am glad it is gone since it really was not competitive anymore. Same thing with the SWC and Big East - good riddance! I want to watch good games and see better competition than what the PAC was offering. Merging teams into better conferences is good for the fan. Next stop…ACC. Let’s get 3-20 team conferences, break away from the NCAA and open it up to the “new modern era.”

[@roberts3921]

Tom Hansen somehow gets a free pass…

[@rickstclair2217]

ARROGANCE by all involved.

[@qz9514]

Bad lead ship of the school and conference, that is all

[@jdwilmoth]

The pac-12 is the one to blame for their demise A few years back Oklahoma and Texas reached out to the pac-12 and ask for an invitation to join the conference The pac-12 declined

[@polywoggins]

That is in fact untrue.

[@jdwilmoth]

@@polywoggins Oklahoma and Texas reached out to the pac-12 in 2011 and requested an invitation the join the pac-12 and the pac-12 declined

[@DT-un3bu]

Yes, Larry Scott blew it… he messed pac 12 up bad lol

[@jdwilmoth]

@@polywoggins yes it is true you obviously don't know what you're talking about

[@1185AspAve]

Surprised to see nobody blaming Texas, for once. Longhorn Network ultimately nixed OU UT OSU & Tech to PAC. This would have saved the PAC... Luckily for all B12 ers this did not happen and everyone got what they wanted... eventually.

[@metallica1fan1]

Top 5 To Blame For The PAC-12 Collapse: 1.) The PAC-12 2.) The PAC-12 3.) The PAC-12 4.) The PAC-12 5.) The PAC-12

[@susanbanks9048]

Bob Iger and Disney should be detailed in #4 and moved up to #1 Not being mentioned is that the $80 mil/yr Disney pays for the Rose Bowl would void with PAC destroyed

[@PhonyBalagna]

Lmao 😂 I love the gloss over of the Horns and Sooners. "It wasn't OU and Tex going to the SEC that triggered the LA schools to move, it was Kevin Warren pulling the strings all along"

[@texjlh]

the elitist attitudes of the Pac presidents. They should have taken Tech, Baylor,TCU, and OSU in 2021 or they should have immediately taken SMU, San Diego, Boise state and Tulane when usc and ucla bolted.

[@guadalupev30]

TV syndication returns, ask ACC.

[@jeffkilgore6320]

Pac 12 fans deserve all the blame.

[@jakemock6846]

I ditched my espn subscription as a result of this. Don't want to be a part of the greed.

[@randydelabarcena4988]

Now I know what France must of felt like 😢 “TWICE” . 🎼this is thee ennd , dune dune dune , my only friennnd thee Ennd 🎶 the.Horror the.Horror … “Kliavkoff got off tha Boat” 🤤🥴😵‍💫

[@MatthewThomas1344]

I know I'm biased as a Stanford fan, but... it would have made a lot more sense for the sport overall if the B1G picked up USC and Stanford last year rather than USC and UCLA. - Both conferences get to be in two huge media markets; all four California schools bring unique matchups to their markets - B1G picks up two rivals of Notre Dame, and in Stanford gets a program that on-field is at least on par with UCLA historically (the last two years notwithstanding) - PAC takes a hit financially but keeps its integrity as the conference with all the major public universities in the West and access to all the major markets If this had happened, it would have been sensible enough that we could have stopped there.

[@solo.xplorer]

My question is, what is GK doing? Again, he is playing that silent role that doesn't help his position much from the get go. There was a report that the remaining PAC 4 schools hired Andrew Luck's dad Oliver to help in an advisory roles as he has some experience, more experience than GK, so what is George doing besides being silent, at what point is he going to really lead or is he just milking his role as much as he can before he gets let go or resigned?

[@carsonc29]

I think GK is polishing up his resume LOL whats left for him to say? PAC12 is gone..nothing more he can really do

[@donparnell309]

For the meta blame, all of us a cord cutters share part of the blame/credit for the demise of the PAC12. Networks don't have the money they used to and that money pot is shrinking. Sooner rather than later, we will be purchasing per game tickets on Amazon like a renting a movie rather than getting the games on a network.

[@BF-27]

I hope not. I’d watch far fewer games if I had to commit to purchasing them individually.

[@patty2079]

JUST GREED😮

[@joelharris3389]

The blame game is for losers. The atmosphere of WOKNESS and the subtle dilution of pride, focus, and commitment to reality were lost decades ago in the PAC 12. Arrogance precedes the fall every time!

[@stevemoserify]

wOkEnEsS lol

[@Field_Marshall]

Woke espn is big part in all this mess. 20 years this would have never happened

[@OldRaider]

Don’t forget Joe Biden for the bad economy.

[@steveburke7675]

Give it a rest Sparky.