Stanford, Cal, & SMU Are Under Serious Consideration to Become a Part of the ACC | ACC Realignment

[@melroze]

Nothing says Atlantic Coast like the Bay Area.

[@shallojalloh]

Nothing says B12 like Orlando, Ohio and Utah!!

[@jasoncampbell5379]

i don't see State or Carolina flipping plus i believe in an actual vote there might be more no votes than that

[@Protonpackin]

Top 10 appearances since FSU joined the ACC FSU - 253 Clemson - 136 VT - 31 UM - 30 UNC - 26 GT - 18 UL - 10 UVA - 9 BC - 7 NC State - 2 Wake - 2 Duke - 0 Pitt - 0 Cuse - 0

[@God1stForever]

Florida State hasn't beaten Clemson since 2014

[@tracejones5952]

​@@God1stForeverokay.....that still doesn't solve the issue here lol. Clemson is getting screwed too.

[@Clemsonalumnus]

That’s with Clemson having their worst coach of all time in the 90s to early 00s in Tommy West. Clemson and FSU are leaving. These meetings are doing nothing more than adding fodder to a legal argument to dissolve the grant of rights as gross incompetence, which is a strong legal argument to dismiss the grant of rights altogether. FSU, Clemson, UNC, and NC State aren’t budging. ECU is making more than State and UNC, who have the same board who runs the state of NC. They aren’t budging either.

[@elliottcrews4997]

@@God1stForever I believe NCSU and WF have beaten FSU the last 3 times they've played.

[@SurfCityBill]

@@God1stForever Heck, they've never beaten Boise State.

[@rickeasterling6538]

Matter of time before the big conferences start internally feuding over the equal split of $. Ohio St and Michigan vs Northwestern and Rutgers. Bama and Georgia and Texas vs Vandy, SC and MS State.

[@markmamone9779]

Don't believe for a minute that ONLY 4 schools object to Stanford & Cal. That's all that were needed for it not to pass. The other schools considered the Magnificent 7, who most likely have a landing spot in the BIG or SEC, such as UVA, VA Tech, and Miami will also be a no when it actually comes to a formal vote.

[@elliottcrews4997]

As an ACC fan I don't really want to see this happen, but if it does this is what I could see enticing FSU, Clemson, NCSU and UNC-CH agreeing to it along with the rest of the conference members. Let's say they take $48 million that is being deferred by the 3 in order to gain admission to be applied as a performance incentive. It is mostly football but basketball, baseball and other sports should account for some of the reward. So here goes. Football Champion - $15 million Final Four in BB - $5 million (split if more than one school makes it) Football 2nd place - $10 million Football 3rd place - $5 million Football 4th place - $3 million Football 5th $1.5 million Football 6th - $ 500K Baseball CWS - $3 million (split if more that one school makes it) Women's Basketball final Four - $3 million Non-Revenue Excellence - $2 million

[@Clemsonalumnus]

Clemson and FSU are leaving. These meetings are doing nothing more than adding fodder to a legal argument to dissolve the grant of rights as gross incompetence, which is a strong legal argument to dismiss the grant of rights altogether. FSU, Clemson, UNC, and NC State aren’t budging. ECU is making more than State and UNC, who have the same board who runs the state of NC. They aren’t budging either.

[@tylerjc1000]

ACC should have grabbed West Virginia and Cincinnati a while ago

[@zilladthrilla]

Cincy yes. WVU no. They bring nothing.

[@justinboyce1285]

These college presidents only think about academics and prestige until the conference is on the brink of imploding, then they realize it's only the results on the field that really matters!

[@joeykelly5642]

Not sure about Cincinnati, but WVU was rejected because of their lax academic standards and "party school" reputation

[@carlton5043]

Should have got WV Kansas Baylor and Ok. St when the Big 12 was in trouble.

[@blankman4457]

Ew, gross.

[@SurfCityBill]

Not only does SMU have to forego 7 years of $$$, but they have to wash their conference opponents' uniforms after every game, lol.

[@STC987]

It’s pretty pathetic how desperate they are.

[@keitht5950]

The new CFP contract for 2026 and beyond is estimated to be worth $1.5 to 2.0 billion per year for 11 games then giving the teams that make the CFP a much larger share of the money that year may well satisfy both FSU and Clemson.

[@MrHav1k]

College sports has gotten so dumb. Flying your volleyball team from Miami to Palo Alto just so the football team can get a couple million extra a year from the TV contract....

[@sickocell]

Nothing different with rutgers going to LA or maryland going to Seattle.😂

[@OldRaider]

The schools agreed to it. No sympathy here.

[@connorironside6735]

It does nothing but buy time. Fsu and Clemson are leaving its just a matter of when. They hope that with additions it will be enough that they can rebuild the confrence instead of collapse all together like the pac.

[@williamfarley2951]

Ranking outcome of Pac 12 Refugees for next 5 years: 1. USC full share in Big 10, title contender 2. Corner Schools to Big 12 w/full share 3. OSU/WSU, Pac 12 NCAA Credits equal lost revenue 4. UO/UW partial share. Not competitive. Brand damage. 5. UCLA full share/Calimony, Bottom Dweller 6. Cal/Stan (WTF)

[@josephcernansky1794]

Agree with everything except #4. For the next 5 years UO & UW will get BETTER brand recognition playing East and being seen MORE than as a "Red-Eye" snooze fest after a long day of CFB and beer!! #5 has 5 years to turn that "Wanna-Be" program around or they will be just another BTPR! They already earn LESS than BTPR, not including media revenue.

[@Mark-xl1ze]

Good for SMU if they join the ACC.

[@JCBoice]

Past 5 years only 4 Universities have made the Baseball College World Series, Basketball Elite 8 and had a 10 Win Football season: Oregon State Texas Michigan Auburn

[@stuartmisfeldt3068]

Face it. The only reason Cal wants any of the TV money is to pay for Memorial Stadium renovations. Otherwise the president and AD would be willing to drop out of FBS. Students don’t apply to Cal or Stanford because of their football and basketball team reputation. Recruiting for Stanford was because of the education and past coaching, Cal has had to tightrope the rules to get the most talented revenue sport athletes, and those are usually not 4 or 5 star.

[@Mr.Ed_Wayner]

IMO the A’s have some leverage in getting the Colosseum lease extended because they own half the site. If the City plays hardball with them, probably will not consider selling the site, delaying long term

[@frictionhitch]

No SMU is giving up AAC money not ACC money. Their options are no TV money and become a P5 schoolnor stay in the AAC and get AAC money.

[@jerrygibbons3772]

Correct and in 8 years they will start getting ACC money being in year 9 they would be ahead (9x8m =72m or 7x0 plus 2x50m=100)

[@matthiewbaker7249]

@@jerrygibbons3772 SMU also has major boosters to cover that 8 million. They will be more than fine before the ACC money kicks in.

[@frictionhitch]

@@jerrygibbons3772 yeah I don't understand how everyone in the BIG12 media landscape seems to ignore math constantly. Why did the Pac-12 collapse? They did it to themselves. Yeah except USC,UCLA, Washington, and Oregon got way better math coming their way. The PAC12 is garbage oh and can we have 4 of your remaining schools please. These guys can be just ridiculously biased with self imposed blinders that make no sense. Why would SMU w an t to make more money and have more exposure? I don't get it. Derp derp derp

[@jerrygibbons3772]

@@matthiewbaker7249 correct again, it's actually a smart move, Maybe SMUs only chance to move to a power conference anytime in next 15 years, while personaly I don't want them to because it adds a p5 program in the metroplex to compete for talent against my 🐸s

[@jmakinitrain2356]

Lol this makes no damn sense

[@brandonh5360]

I would never have thought SMU would go to the ACC before Tulane or USF. Money talks I guess

[@matthiewbaker7249]

Tulane needs sustained success. If they can repeat last year's run or something similar, they will be looked at.

[@brandonh5360]

@@matthiewbaker7249 just crazy still. You have 2 available southeast schools in big markets that offer great academics and are pouring money into athletics. They’re both sleeping giants with insane potential. I think both will go to ACC eventually, I just don’t know when. USF and Tulane are just too promising to sit in G5

[@josephcernansky1794]

Satanford, Berkley, SMU to the Big East/Carolina Basketball Conference >>>> The NEW American Conference. When The Football Schools leave it will become The NEW Conference USA!

[@RedMage409]

Not happening.

[@AliKhan-go4px]

Really wish they will stop bashing on FSU all the time in the end of the day they’re leaving the conference one way or the other all these adding teams is not gonna make a difference, so no need to bring it up every 5 minutes that they want more revenue they don’t care about that they are saying the revenue gap is going to be way too big not sure what you guys are not understanding. There’s no solution that Acc is going to do to make up that gap in the next three years, which is why we’re trying to get off the conference and the fact they waited to the last minute to add teams just shows their level of commitment to football when you could’ve easily gone after Oregon Washington, Arizona in Arizona State weeks or months ago

[@vancejones7698]

Cal needs to go MWC.

[@VincentPaterno-hs2fv]

Everybody hates Cal.

[@grandwonder5858]

Stanford too!

[@asasavadphayphane371]

How about Memphis ?? Are they going to AAC?

[@grandwonder5858]

They go to the toilet bowl!

[@asasavadphayphane371]

@@grandwonder5858 they going to ACC for sure you will see

[@ralphputt933]

cute

[@sickocell]

Make it happen!

[@MrModamanReviews]

The big problem is that the ACC is being held hostage by schools who don't want to be there and bolt asap.

[@rogerwalker3409]

Well, let us leave and there you go. ACC gets there castoffs, and Clemson (my alma mater) and FSU can go to conferences that actually care about football.

[@somedudenamedryan]

@@rogerwalker3409 You guys will get smoked in the SEC though

[@ciesaro]

Money changes everything

[@OldRaider]

SMU will kick your butts for free!

[@devilfrawg4953]

They aren't being seriously considered. That is just something Calford says because they were pantsed by the Big 12 and the B1G.

[@ralphputt933]

Don't think Clemson FSU etc are going to enjoy playing in front of 10K

[@slibertas1996]

No to Cal

[@Number4lead]

Culturally stanford and cal fit in well only with the ivy leaguers. Culter that is. Not necessarily academically.

[@sandramiller1988]

I hope this doesn’t happen. Stanford and Cal just aren’t the right fit for these universities. The B1G is a much better conference for them. Hopefully they’re able to join that in 2025/2026.

[@verlinjoseph5438]

Nice haircut! Paul got married and became a new man

[@jgneolardo8875]

No university can afford to go 7 years without media revenue. They will lose so much more than money (intangibles, etc.). Stanford's endowment fund isn't too big to fail.

[@CRS253]

You clearly underestimate how much money the SMU alumni base has.

[@elliottcrews4997]

They would still be getting a decent chunk of change from ACCN, NCAAT units, tier 2 & 3 football money etc. probably $17- $20 million each year. That's more than they would get in the AAC or MWC,

[@jgneolardo8875]

@CRS253 I live in Dallas and am close with some of the donors. Hush. I know plenty about SMU's pocketbook - and I respect the respect it commands. If all the stars align and SMU doesn't receive media revenue for 7 years and the ACC doesn't provide substitute revenue of equal value, please revisit this convo and throw me under the bus. I will gladly take the L, and then demand the bus driver reverse back over me once more. This 7 year nonsense will not happen. No guey.

[@jgneolardo8875]

​@@elliottcrews4997I don't know why my previous comment to you didn't post. To summarize, this is all speculation as of now, just like UConn, Gonzaga, and SDSU. And we know how those deals went... Nowhere

[@STC987]

@@CRS253 why don’t you elaborate?

[@God1stForever]

ESPN is adding 72 million extra a year

[@livingforever6157]

No they're not. Smu is an aac member. They will not earn a pro-rata. They will get 8-10 million. Cal and stanford may receive 20-24 million. They will likely take a 30% share. That means 14-16 deducted million each. The total is 34 million among the three schools. Split among 14 members, or a performance based incentive for one school. I'm not sure it will work for the 7 schools who have the most influence.

[@scott2575]

@@livingforever6157 ESPN is adding $72M, SMU gets $0, Cal and Stanford start at 30% of a full share, or about $12M each, the other schools whack up the roughly $48M. Win/win/win, everybody is happy.

[@rogerwalker3409]

That’s equates to 24 mil per school, per year, which is less than the current pay out per school. It’s complete garbage and dilutes the conference. Stanford and Cal is bad enough, but SMU is completely irrelevant and is a G5 school.

[@scott2575]

@@rogerwalker3409 I have no idea what you are talking about. The new pool is $72M, of that, usually each new team would take $24M. That is NOT happening here. SMU is taking $0 for 7 years. CalFord start at a 30% share. Last year the share per team was $40 M, so Cal and Stanford get $12M each to start. 72-24=48. The other teams 15 split that are pocket $3M plus. Perhaps, ND gets a share, then it would be $3M per team. Free money.

[@rogerwalker3409]

@@scott2575 the issue is you’re not looking past 5-7 years. The money added per team is less than the current team payouts. The “free money” for 5-7 years is immaterial, and essentially chump change as it adds what equates to a rounding error for big time programs. After 7 years, are those 3 new schools only getting $24 mil a piece and everyone gets their normal share? Is ESPN going to start paying the $40 mil per year to each of those schools as well? Or is the overall pot going to be split evenly, which means all the original teams now make less money in 7 years. You have to look at the big picture, bc not doing so is what got us into this mess. Also, adding bottom feeders from other conferences that have gone defunct does not make you a better conference.

[@rogerwalker3409]

Clemson and FSU are not quieting down. Let us go. You’ve neglected football for decades, and that’s why the conference is where it’s at. Void the GOR, and you can add whoever the hell you want.

[@blankman4457]

Lol, nah.

[@rogerwalker3409]

@@blankman4457 that’ll be their response the next time Stanford, Cal, and SMU come up for vote.

[@blankman4457]

@@rogerwalker3409 okay 🤷

[@ericlasure288]

The acc is so stupid why not adding West Virginia so many rivals I guess that doesn’t matter anymore it’s now it’s all about money

[@wtfcraps]

Big 12 needs to just jump the gun and beat the "super conference" rush and solidify their future. Grab up the remaining PAC schools. Add SMU and buy out Boise State next year.

[@STC987]

Where’s the money coming from? TV partners already flipped the bill for 4 more schools, they won’t go any further under this contract. Try to be serious.

[@frictionhitch]

Look at a map. Utah and Colorado are AAU schools that sit directly between the BIGTEN and ACC conferences if this goes through. Baylor, TCU, Kansas st they are right there too. Offer Stanford a better deal BIG12. This could make or break the BIG12.

[@kirkmoody6109]

Stanford is not wanted or needed so please stop

[@OldRaider]

Ha ha haha!

[@frictionhitch]

@@OldRaider TT is way down the list of BIG12 schools that would be considered if the BIG12 was pilfered. Something which btw was threatened by the SEC and BIGTEN reportedly just this week. If that happens TT might be in an OSU situation.(OSU gets better TV numbers). Is that what you want. Do you want to become a victim of your pride?

[@michaelwall3393]

SMU is a joke.

[@zorpman]

No you are a joke

[@josephcernansky1794]

They should add UMass....give Boston College a travel partner...and somebody they can beat on a regular basis.....besides.... maybe they can get fans to show up at their stadium?

[@Khromiux]

Umass?!? Lmao 😂😂😂 did you mean Uconn? Would make alot more sense

[@frictionhitch]

Go get em BIG12! You have 5 AAU schools in the west! Go get em! They are above AVG in viewership when compared to BIG12 schools. Go get em!

[@STC987]

Go get ‘em!!!!!!

[@kirkmoody6109]

No they are not that's why they are where they are because no one watches the games enough 😂 the big 12 teams get more eyes that's why they got more money don't forget that

[@frictionhitch]

@@kirkmoody6109 no they don't. In 2022 the only schools that will be in the BIG12 in 2024 that had more viewers per game were TCU,Baylor,OSU,Kst,Utah, BYU, and Iowa state. Everyone else Az,ASU,Colorado,Kansas,Houston, Texas Tech, Cincinnati, WV, and UCF all had fewer viewers despite many of them playing Texas or Oklahoma. As a matter of fact West Virginia was the only one within 100k views per game of Stanford. This isn't my opinion these are facts.

[@kirkmoody6109]

@frictionhitch okay how come Stanford Statium is always empty 🤔 we can see that on TV buddy when flipping through the channels no one cares about Stanford football 🙄 so no you're wrong Texas has way more views than Stanford

[@frictionhitch]

@@kirkmoody6109 Texas does but Texas Tech has 300k less per game. The reason why the stadium is empty is because their alumni live in cities like New York or DC where it's unreasonable for them to go to the game in person. Newsflash the TV networks only care about the viewers on TV who they can sell advertisements to. They don't care how much soda you sell in your stadium. That's not how they make money. If you don't believe me look up the numbers for yourself. Google college football programs ranked by viewers per game. The info is out there. Seriously this is super basic market research. You can do it. The reality is the BIG12 got only one team(Utah) that ranked above Stanford, Cal, OSU, and WSU in terms of viewership. Don't celebrate yet. You ate getting surrounded by all 3 of the other conferences. Getting Stanford and Cal would protect TT. The more teams you have in the, or pushing the, million viewers per game club the better.

[@shallojalloh]

Factor is on point..I lost 20 lbs in 2 months with them

[@jgneolardo8875]

That's what's up 🎉