.380 HST vs 30 Super Carry! Ballistic Gel Test Using the M&P Shield EZ!

[@derrickbowlin1527]

HST is amazing stuff. While it is expensive it's worth every penny in a defensive type situation. Glad to see that excellent expansion on the 380.

[@ToolsandTargets]

It's hard to beat for sure.

[@satur9satur9]

@@ToolsandTargets also hard to find.

[@johnanon658]

@@ToolsandTargetslike you said, its a bad choice for 380. Best bullet for 380 is 90 g XTP, hands down

[@MrAlexito305]

Bad guy isn’t gunna be like “phew…well thank goodness that wasn’t a 30 super carry that hit me” 380 works just fine for it’s intended purpose today, pocket carry

[@ToolsandTargets]

A hole's a hole.👍

[@coindad1973]

@@ToolsandTargets Agreed, but one thing. If the difference between a one shot stop, it may come down to diameter. Hit a rib at identical steep angles, & the .30 might glance off & maybe .380 punch through. I'm like you tho, the .30 is neat but at end of day, why?

[@SaftonYT]

I tend to agree that with good loadings the .380 ACP is far better than it is often decried and the real life track record supports this, too. Though HST is not the loading I like for it, even though I'm generally an HST fanboy in other cartridges. It just doesn't have the amount of penetration I'd like to see in .380.

[@EtherFox]

@@coindad1973 You got it wrong. 30SC has a higher Sectional Density than 380. SD is what pushes bullets through bone. In fact, 115gr 30SC's density is higher than 147gr 9mm.

[@coindad1973]

@@EtherFox Thanks for the additional info. I will agree with that. I also hope we can all agree that bullets like to do unpredictable, funny things when hitting different media at anything less than a square-on impact.

[@Nutty.357]

That is a nice .380 round! I think it expanded more simply because its larger giving it more surface impact. I respect the .30SC but I'm not quite on-board yet because I like 9mm lol! I guess the tell-tale would be maybe having a 3 cal shoot off- 380/30sc/9 and maybe have 2-3 women shoot each one and get their raw input or maybe a cpl women and someone with arthritis or wrist/hand issues see what they say! When I see you shoot the 30SC it does appear to be less 'snappy' than the 9mm. the ultimate test would be having recoil sensitive shooters try them all out together! Happy Friday brother Great Stuff!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, my local shop can't give em away.

[@Nutty.357]

the 30 Super Flop lol

[@johnkellmer5133]

That's the best illustration of comparative ballistic performance I've seen. It shows why I think I like Underwood's 100 grain HCFN for my .380. That being because I value penetration over expansion. I haven't decided about the 68 grain Extreme Defender they make. It shoots well out of my EZ, but I'd like to see how it stacks up wound channel wise. All that aside, the 30 Super Carry performed really well, and if I were carrying one of those, this might well be the round in my magazine.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I have some of the .380 68 grain Defenders and the 90 grain Penetrators from Underwood on the way for some testing.👍

[@scottodonahoe9505]

I used to carry a 380 but gave it to my wife years ago just for the recoil issue you stated . Also I'm getting old and if I fall down I have a heck of a time getting back up . Not sure if I'll get a chance to double tap if things go bad so Ill stick with my 9mm or 45 ! The odds of someone going down in one shot is a bigger deal than it once was !

[@ToolsandTargets]

Absolutely!

[@Mbartel500]

That .380 HST had picture perfect expansion. It combines very good overall power in a small deep concealment handgun. In a shorter barrel, it just might get a couple more inches of penetration, albeit with a little less expansion. I wonder if that HST would still open up at about 875-900 fps? Maybe a shot into the jelly from 25 yards away would be the sweet spot?

[@ToolsandTargets]

Most likely would get a little less expansion and more penetration from a short barrel.👍

[@EtherFox]

The 380 expands too much imo. Much more likely to stop well before hitting vitals - giant flower petals will catch a bone, turn the bullet, then it stops.

[@pcrealty]

Excellent information! This 380 HST test was crucial to the new gun owners. Many conceal carriers opt for a less recoil ammo, especially the novice and senior shooters. I do not see gun owners rushing to buy 30 caliber handguns and make it part of their conceal carry rotation / collection. For the avid shooters, we appreciate your VLOG's as reference points, thanks so much.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Very much appreciated!

[@jeffreyrobertson7652]

Another Great Jelly Test Tools 👍🏼Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@earlmorrison7833]

Great testing !! Thanks for the video !!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that!

[@billdye3530]

Don't know if this video will help anyone decide which to get 30SC or 380 acp but it sure makes most people want to get HST ammo. Consistent stuff. I think 380 is better because of a better variety of pistols & less recoil. Imagine the recoil of 30SC in a polymer subcompact plus muzzle blast in a hallway. Bye bye hearing. Another good video. 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Yeah, this SC is absolutely not a .380 replacement.

[@billdye3530]

@@ToolsandTargets I like the looks of your PC 380 but if you have a chance check out the Browning 1911- 380acp- that smga has with Browning rebate. Gorgeous. A Wish List item. It's the Pro SS Flag model.

[@herbertblevins7077]

Yes ,The 30 SC would be a hand full in a ruger LCP.

[@ToolsandTargets]

@@billdye3530 I almost bought a little baby rock RIA 1911 .380 a while back just because a little mini 1911 looks cool.😂

[@billdye3530]

@@ToolsandTargets This one from Smoky Mtn g&a is a 10 out of 10. Hard to believe it's a 380. Not cheap but not bad for a Browning.

[@randomgamer-st1ie]

I'm very impressed with the expansion and penetration of the .30sc. Can't wait to see the firearm offerings for it in about 2 years.

[@ToolsandTargets]

It'll be as popular as .327 Magnum.😆

[@randomgamer-st1ie]

@@ToolsandTargets sounds like you want it to fail.

[@ToolsandTargets]

@@randomgamer-st1ie I don't care if it fails or succeeds. I just call it like I see it instead of blindly cheerleading for anything that hits the market.👍

[@randomgamer-st1ie]

@@ToolsandTargets well you don't have to be a dick about it, just making an observation.

[@Aaron48219]

Would like to see 90gr Underwood .380 Xtreme Penetrator against the .30 Super HST. .380 is a capable caliber, with the right ammo. Damn...this reminds me that I need to replace the extractor on my PK380 (a great .380 pistol btw).

[@ToolsandTargets]

👍

[@randlerichardson5826]

I’ve been cleaning 338 Lapua Magnum Brass for my nephew he’s coming out to load some in a few days

[@ToolsandTargets]

That's big boy ammo!

[@TheCrewChief374]

😂 Tools, I get it. You are putting your adopted orphans in their place; with regards to the 30 super carry...😁

[@ToolsandTargets]

😂😂😂

[@charlesmorgan1879]

Nice work ! " Take me as I am cause I can't stay long " comes to mind... Thanks we appreciate all dat gelly wrastlin ! 🤣

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Tom was one of the greats.😢

[@roywilliamson9112]

Another great video brother. I think I have watched all the jelly videos but can't remember for sure if you have done a test on the extreme defense loaded by Underwood in that PC 380. Keep em coming.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I haven't yet but I have some Defenders and Penetrators on the way for .380.👍

[@timpille8495]

Now your going have to test federal 44 special punch ammo that they just released

[@ToolsandTargets]

Hmmm, I definitely need to check that out.

[@josiahrice6810]

Federal made a big mistake going after 9mm with the 30sc. I would love to see a ammo company load some to the power of the 380 so it would be a more controllable round. The 30sc could make the 380 all but obsolete if federal had done that.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed. I think they missed the mark with this, bigtime.

[@professorpewpuew]

Looks like there is more margin for error with the 30 Supercarry. I tried the HST 380 on a denim block and got about the same penetration as the 30, but without any expansion. The 380s open up in naked gel as you see here. But the 30 looks like it could lose a few inches when going through clothing but still expand and penetrate above what the 380 could in the best case.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Common sense tells you the 30SC is also gonna lose some expansion and pentrate more through cloth/barriers as well. Pretty much any expanding hollow point is gonna penetrate more and expand less through cloth, which is why I don't use it. It's not a mystery what effect it will have.👍

[@philiptheriault7953]

Out of all the 380 I've tested ( cor bon, norma, sig, rem, this federal 99 grain hst is the most impressive and consistent defensive load out of my bersa thunder. Thanx tools for the most excellent content.

[@ToolsandTargets]

HST is hard to beat in any caliber I've tested for sure.

[@anthonyguidas2012]

Great video, I sometimes carry a LCP2 loaded with the HST 99 grain. From what I’ve seen it’s a great little round 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

HST always does exactly what it's designed to.👍

[@SoWavvyy]

10inches of penetration is not even recommended for carry.

[@CabinOnTheWater]

If you get a chance, try the .380 Xtreme Defender monolithic bullet. Underwood and some others load them. Supposed to be good wound channel and good penetration.

[@Aaron48219]

The Xtreme Defender or Penetrators are the only ammo I suggest for anyone with a .380. With an FMJ, you get great penetration with heavy clothing, but not acceptable wound channel. With a JHP, you get a good wound channel against light clothing, but minimal penetration against heavy clothing. The Xtreme Defender and Penetrators are able to achieve both.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I have some on the way to test because so many people wanna see them. I tested the .380 Honey Badgers a while back which are pretty much the exact same round. They did pretty good, but I personally wasn't as impressed as I thought I would be. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5u3eZeGjLiamM0

[@andywilson8698]

I think they purposely limit expansion on the super carry to go for more penetration. Being that it's a smaller light caliber, I think that more expansion could lead to penetration issues similar to 380. But I still carry 380 and have no plan on switching anytime soon.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Could be.👍

[@fabionegri4855]

final test , think about 30SC like a .380 for 10 mm shooters ;)

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, I think I've shown and seen everything I need to from the 30SC.

[@fabionegri4855]

@@ToolsandTargets it is and i agree with your conclusion

[@jaywalk6628]

Thanks Tools, your tests are always fun to watch.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that, brother!

[@jamontreyhamilton5210]

Do they have 380 plus P that would be a good one 💯💯💯

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir. I got some ammo on the way for .380 that a lot of people have asked about including the +P version of it.😎👍

[@davidjernigan8161]

Federal did a good job on the 380 hat as far as the performance in gel. The issue with the 30 super carry expansion may be the diameter of the hollow point cavity being limited by the diameter of the bullet and feeding of the ammo.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Good point.👍

[@jasonstcin659]

Awesome video....as always brother! Thanks Tool!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir!

[@tdeberry71]

I'm not really interested in anything in 380, but thats because I used to have one and wasn't impressed. But on the other hand I am not going to run out and get a 30SC, maybe later on when it's proven and a little more available I might entertain the idea of trying it out.

[@Aaron48219]

.380 is very capable with the Xtreme penetrator/defender ammo, or the similar G9 Defense 70gr.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I personally agree on the .380. I'm perfectly happy with a micro 9mm for "pocket carry."

[@vlogfriendsutopia]

I mean heck, Federal Hydra-Shok Deep and Hornady XTPs in 380 perform very well. 12+ inches of penetration and consistent expansion.

[@tdeberry71]

@@Aaron48219 well unfortunately when I owned my 380 those rounds didn't exist, but even today I never see any of these ammo selections for any other caliber in any of my local shops. So I'll stick with my very capable 9mm for now.

[@tommylitchfield3450]

Tools, that was a good job on editing this one with the other 9mm test. If you hadn't mentioned it, nobody would probably even noticed. That 30 SC could have been a .380 killer if they had only kept that one goal in mind.... to make a tiny pistol that would shoot a round that would expand in a pocket pistol caliber. Instead, they tried (and failed) to equal the 9mm. WHY?? Just being the military handgun caliber guarantees that the 9mm will beat out the 30SC in popularity, even if the 30 SC was identical in performance to the 9, which it ain't. They sure dropped the ball! A LCP sized gun that had reliable HP expansion would have probably converted a LOT of .380 carriers over to the new round. But a 9mm sized pistol that performs worse with a REAL 1 round capacity increase (two, with that cheating mag extension) is doomed to fail, I believe.... Keep 'em comin', Tools :)

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that brother. I couldn't agree more.👍

[@pistolgrip44mag]

Got notified twice on this video upload. What, in your opinion, is the best .380 defensive round out there? This one?

[@ToolsandTargets]

They honestly all perform very similar to this if they are hollow points. If I was gonna carry a .380, I would probably go with either just a good ol FMJ or something like the Xtreme Defenders.

[@jw-sigp2258]

Fantastic video sir. That .380 hst did pretty good. I look forward to more content from your channel

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate that!

[@JJ_SDWR]

Tools, if you don't mind paying the $7.95 shipping, Underwood has the Hornady XTP loaded in a nickel-plated +P round. Underwood loads their sh*t HOT, I bet you those 380 rounds might be a nice expander and penetrator in one. Just an FYI, wouldn't mind seeing you test those. I carry it in my Bersa Thunder (3.5 inch barrel) and I have 100% confidence it would get the job done. I think a lot of the issues with 380 rounds not expanding are waaay more prominent in the pocket 380 type guns with ~2 inch barrels. That just ain't enough to get the 380 going. That's why I'm not a big fan of the pocket pistols like the LCP, no fun to shoot and questionable performance, though I'm also a believer that shot placement is more important than the difference between a particular round of similar calibers.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, I'm not a fan at all of those LCP "pocket" type guns either.

[@steelpunisher6944]

Another great jelly test! I agree 100%. The 30 super carry looks like a great round but it will never come in the tiny packages that the 380 comes in. I look forward to what else you have to show us.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@randomgamer-st1ie]

Why wouldn't they be able to release small pistols for .30sc? Aside from the LCP, plenty of the .380 pistols on the market from Glock, Sig, S&W, etc, are no smaller than some of the micro 9 pistols out there like the hellcat or G43.

[@steelpunisher6944]

@@randomgamer-st1ie …. I’m sure they will release pistols in the hellcat, p365 etc size pistols. I’m only talking about the tiny lcp, bodyguard, tcp size. At 45,000 psi it would be quite a handful. I hope they prove me wrong I would love to try one out. Lol. 👍

[@bigracer3867]

Good day sir! How the pollen treating you!!?? Would like to see some 45 ACP FMJ penetration test against 10 mm FMJ. 🤓

[@Lurch4539]

Lol 10mm wins.

[@Aaron48219]

No comparison. You want to see .45 Super / .450smc FMJ vs 10mm FMJ.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Pollen hasn't gotten real terrible yet around here, but I know it's coming. I can definitely do some more FMJ testing.

[@howardkahn4330]

the best trait of bullet expansion is that the bullet will not over penetrate the target because it flattens out and is resisted better by what ever it targets....30 super carry is equal to a 9mm, better to carry and shoot a 9mm and save bundles of money....Standard 380 ammo. works just fine....it is all about bullet placement, hit bone and the target is stopped WEATHER YOU USE A 380, 30 SUPER CARRY OR 9MM....

[@KevC1111]

I look forward to you're videos Tools. I slap like before I ever see the video. Your honest and straightforward. Good video and look forward to the next one! God Bless!

[@ToolsandTargets]

I really appreciate that!

[@jaywalk6628]

Same four boxes of 30 super on the shelf here for going on three weeks now.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Sounds like my local shop. None of it is selling.

[@randlerichardson5826]

Your doing a great job Tools keep up the great work buddy GOD BLESS

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir!

[@jimmydunn3775]

Great video! You not gonna believe what I found today at my local shop… Punch!!! My first time finding them!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nice!😎👍

[@stephen_crumley]

People act like sub par ballistics from revolvers of various oddball calibers weren’t effective at poking holes in people, but they were somehow continuously used all the way through until WW2 & even Vietnam. Any “modern” centerfire cartridge (excluding 25 acp of course lol) is beyond effective for the task required

[@ToolsandTargets]

They'll all do the job if needed.👍

[@keithtate1241]

Another great jelly test in the book. The HST round has great expansion but does lack a little in penitration. This is why I have my 380 pistols loaded with alternating HST and XTP rounds. With the great expansion the HST packs a powerful punch and the XTP while it does have fair expansion it doesn't expand as much as the HST but does meet the FBI requirements for penitration. I feel that since I train to double tap I am able to give a one two punch 😊

[@ToolsandTargets]

Good plan.👍

[@JackKerley-cu5vk]

try the 380 federal 90g hst the test i have seen show that round has better penetration and expansion than the 99g

[@duke927]

When the velocity of the 380 was posted as being 980 something. I figured it was either not going to expand or if it did penetration would be an issue. HST are sure pretty when they expand:) I do not see why velocities could not be made a little higher in 380. I carry an original LCP with its bad trigger and all but have the Underwood 68 grain standard pressure Xtreme Defenders as I do not trust HP’s in that gun. Thanks for your entertaining and informative videos. The 30 Super seems to be a good round but these good rounds have a long uphill road for acceptance. They either lack platform support like 5.7 did for a long time with only FN having a gun chambered for it or 327 magnum. And I am intrigued by the 32 NAA round (32 bullet out of a 380 case) which could solve the 380 expansion/penetration problem. But only 1 firearm is chambered in it and conversion barrels are not cheap. Thanks again:)

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, 30SC can't be given away at any of the shops around here.🤷‍♂️

[@ronaldbarnes8302]

Another nice test, much appreciated. The big advantage of the 380 for the most part is the ultra compact LCP type handguns unless you’re recoil shy, or older. Would like to see how the Fort Scott TUI does in the 380 in a LCP sized and the EZ. Thanks for sharing!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.

[@randomgamer-st1ie]

But if the .30sc is a smaller round, can't they make those small pocket pistols chambered for it? Would be higher capacity too. I don't think they've had a chance to release them yet.

[@joshuamoore24_7]

I knew the Federal Premium HST hydra shock HP's would out perform better than the Remington HP when it comes to expansion of the hollow points.

[@RL-RL]

That was a very smart way to blend two tests without wasting ammo. NOW, if Federal would make an HST for th 57x28 they would blow the market wide open. Having one round from Federal, and a bad reputation sucks and they really need to step it up. HST is a great round just like the Sig V-Crown.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, saved me a little time too by not rerunning the same thing I had just done. Would probably be tough to get an expanding lead hollow point to stay together at 5.7 speeds.

[@RL-RL]

@@ToolsandTargets Makes sense.

[@onetwothree2617]

Definitely saves time and money but you have to watch out for differences in gel temperature. Gel temp affects penetration and can skew results if there is a big temperature difference between the two tests.

[@RL-RL]

@@onetwothree2617 He did them back to back on the same day, and probably within the same hour...

[@onetwothree2617]

@@RL-RL that's good news then. I'm not in show biz so I forget how things are filmed 😂

[@bobwhite4671]

Love the videos, one suggestion, why not switch your jelly blocks up. Move the 2nd block up front and use the first block as your backup.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I do once the one block gets full. I do three tests and then flip them and do three more so six tests total before I remelt them. I have to get the most out of them for each range day.

[@TranslateToEnglish]

Dude let’s see some more 10mm. Tests. I want to see that block bow up when the slug hits.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Roger that, I actually just picked up another 10mm round today to test out.👍

[@TheRobman139]

99 Grain HSTs are what I carry in my Springfield Armory 911. All the tests I’ve seen of this round have demonstrated very good performance for this chambering. When I want more power and reach, I go with the “original .30 Super Carry”: the 7.62x25mm Tokarev in my Zastava M57A. PPU makes an 85 grain JHP version of the Tokarev round that is suitable for defensive carry purposes, is readily available, and not terribly expensive (around 72 cpr out the door online depending on your source). Might make for an interesting test (HINT HINT 😉).

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nice. Any excuse to buy a new gun is a good one.😆

[@TheRobman139]

@@ToolsandTargets I got my Zastava M57A brand new about a year ago for around $500 out the door (including shipping, FFL transfer fee, etc.). Depending on where you get it, it shouldn’t run you more than $600 tops. It’s a nice, solid, “old school” all steel service automatic, but it still weighs only 30 oz (that’s 10 oz less than a full size M1911A1 or Browning High Power). Depending on the brand of ammo, it hits harder than most 9mm or .45 ACP factory loads. I wouldn’t get a milsurp Tok as they are a roll of the dice, especially when it comes to reliably cycling the JHP rounds. The new-build Zastava M57A cycles them just fine.

[@TheRobman139]

@@ToolsandTargets If you’re gonna invest in an M57A - which would be way cool - here’s the pros and cons on this gun, just so you’re “eyes wide open”: Pros - - Except for the plastic grip panels, there’s no polymer or even aluminum in this firearm. This is a good old fashioned steel gun; milled steel slide and frame, cold hammer forged barrel. She’s built like a tank, designed to Last Forever. - Yet the M57A is significantly lighter and more compact than other all-steel service automatics, especially considering the power of the chambering. - Very reasonable price for an all-steel service automatic from a reputable manufacturer. - Inherently flat shooting, accurate, powerful round. Fun fact: Soviet officers issued the original design - the TT-33 - during WW2 were expected to be able to hit a man-sized target with it at up to 80m. This was not just a “badge of authority” military sidearm; this was a serious combat weapon. - Under lower light conditions, awesome muzzle flash. - Simple, reliable, rugged design. Easy to field strip and maintain. Cons - - The current production M57A differs from the original model issued to the Yugoslavian army in the late 1950s only in the safety mechanism. Otherwise it is exactly the same pistol. Forget about a light mounting rail, an optic mount, or even tritium sights. - Speaking of tritium sights, there is very little in the way of aftermarket accessories for this pistol. You can get different grips for it, and you can switch out the original barrel bushing for one that has a muzzle brake extension (I’ve read that this latter accessory offers no practical advantage, however; some people apparently just think it “looks cool”). You are stuck with the standard military iron sights, which are drift adjustable for windage. On mine, I painted the rear notch fluorescent red and the front blade fluorescent green; under good lighting conditions this definitely helps. - All ammo is imported. There are no major American ammunition manufacturers that produce 7.62x25mm Tokarev. So, to feed this animal you are at the mercy of international supply chains. The brands imported into the US are Fiocchi (Italy), Sellier & Bellot (Czech Republic), and PPU (Serbia). These are all FMJs except a JHP variant from PPU. Right now it is easy to get but it comes and goes. - Like the ammo, good luck finding a holster at your local gun store. You can get holsters but only online from a couple of sources. - Trigger pull on these varies a lot and being designed as a military weapon, they are often made stiff to help avoid NDs. Mine started out at 10 3/4 lbs; I think I’ve got it down to eight or even seven by now through substantial range time and a lot of dry firing. - As an added safety feature, it has a magazine disconnect. Some people consider this a nuisance. Because of this mechanism, the mags do not just drop free when released; you have to pull them out. But hey, it’s a piece of history, a blast to shoot, and a formidable weapon in the hands of those who are willing to adjust to its idiosyncrasies. The M57A is considered by most to be the best Tokarev pistol variant ever made. How often do you get a chance to own a “best in class” firearm for five or six hundred bucks? 😀

[@ToolsandTargets]

@@TheRobman139 Great info. Thank you sir.😎👍

[@onetwothree2617]

I'm curious to see some downloading of 30SC. See if the recoil can be tamed closer to 380 while still edging it out on performance.

[@ToolsandTargets]

That's what Federal should have aimed for with this round.

[@onetwothree2617]

@@ToolsandTargets They still might. Shorten the case, call it 30Carry. If that's the plan, makes sense to release the higher power first. Looking forward to see how 30SC performs in a carbine.

[@coindad1973]

We really like the content, thanks & keep it up. As to why the .30 didn't open up better is maybe it uses a harder lead mix to keep it from losing too much speed as it's poking so that it still drives deep. Or some wild sectional density effect on penetration thing not yet pondered upon.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that. Could definitely be a possibility.👍

[@andycain2708]

Nice job tool ps have you did atest on 1911 9mm vs glock 9mm what u think

[@ToolsandTargets]

That would be interesting to see if there's a difference. I don't have a 1911 in anything but .45acp but might be a good excuse to get one in 9mm.😂

[@jamontreyhamilton5210]

They both will get the job done 💯💯🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep

[@buzsalmon]

Good show Toolman!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@Dwayne7834]

Thanks for the video and information. Good comparison. Other than the recoil and depending on the gun you already own.I am not sold on the Super Carry.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate you as always.

[@carbonspyder235]

Those HST'S are good bullet Really like that 380 for sure 💥

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir.👍

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Great demonstration & perspective. Not bad for either. 380 does have a nice expanded bullet but it is less penetration than desired. Good thoughts of purpose of 380.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate your comment as always!

[@johngrunwell]

Very good test, again, indeed. The fallacy that most people fall into is comparing the .380ACP to it’s larger brother the 9mm. In short, Apples to Oranges. The size between is no comparison to measure between the two as far as penetration. As you mentioned clearly that .380ACP meets and fulfills the area of small concealment and recoil management without a brick in your pocket. From ALL THE JELLY TESTING throughout this KZbin, 10 inches appears to me to be the industries STANDARD for the smaller round, and it should be for an HP round. There are other rounds, ie. Leigh Extreme Defender/Penetrators, that can and do match the 9mm performance and even better (barrier blind). The 30 Supper Carrier just might fall away as the Glock GAP in .45ACP, and even that platform took a Hotter Round than the standard load in .45ACP, through my investigation. Keep up the good work.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Absolutely agree with the comment.👍

[@andywilson8698]

Tool I don't know if have a NAA mini revolver, but I would like to see if the 22lr punch can still meet the 12 minimum in such a small gun .

[@ToolsandTargets]

I have the super small NAA. I did do a test with it using Punch and Stingers.👍 It was pretty impressive. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHm7m62Qd5hjnbc

[@leederby136]

I would still use the .380 due to expansion and lower price. Thank you Tools 🤠

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate ya, brother!

[@JohnLloydScharf]

Bought the last two boxes of .22LR Punch at my local BiMart for $8.89.

[@jamesjones9207]

I’ve been using the hydra deeps at least they get enough penetration with the possibility of expanding where I live in Az you won’t find anyone with the kind of thick layers that prevent expansion

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely nice penetration.😎👍

[@R4MT1]

Nice testing. I need to find me some of that HST .380. I’ll have to admit. I’m a bit of a .380 fan.

[@ToolsandTargets]

HST is some of the best in any caliber.👍

[@Donald_R_DeCicco]

I dont have either of these calibers but as long as they go pew i like both😎 but yea i'd have to give it up to the 380 for the compact carry option

[@ToolsandTargets]

I would take either one if I needed em for sure.

[@timrobinson6573]

If I wanted to order ammo and have it sent to you for testing, do you have a PO Box I can send it to?

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yessir. I have my email and address info on the "about" page here on KZbin.👍

[@garyK.45ACP]

The .30 Super Carry is the ballistic twin to the older .32 H&R Magnum which was designed to provided .38 Special performance and increase cylinder capacity in small revolvers like the J frame from 5 rounds to 6 rounds (20 % increase) The .30 Super carry is designed to equal 9mm performance and add another 20 rounds to a 10 round magazine (20% increase) So the .30 Super Carry is the semi-auto, rimless version of the .32 H&R Magnum. Anyone remember what happened to .32 H&R magnum revolvers? When I must carry a .380, when maximum concealment is needed, I carry a S&W M&P Bodyguard .380. VERY small, VERY light and very easy to conceal or just drop in my pants pocket. I use this same exact ammo, the Federal HST 99gr. "Micro" and get similar expansion and penetration from the Bodyguard's 2-3/4" barrel. Yes, it's a compromise. But it's better than being unarmed.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed.👍

[@dalepogue5799]

Good show Mr. Tools 🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@RobTaylor1983]

i'm curious how they both would do out of a smaller barrel firearm like the LCP or the CSX

[@ToolsandTargets]

Who knows if there will even be a 30SC with an LCP size or barrel length. I'm seriously doubting it.🤷‍♂️

[@vlogfriendsutopia]

I'd be curious to see 30 SC HST vs 380 Hydra-Shok Deep

[@ToolsandTargets]

Funny you mention that. I have some .380 Hydra Shok deep on the way.👍

[@vlogfriendsutopia]

@@ToolsandTargets Yeeeeeeeeeah buddy

[@black_dog_barks]

One thing to consider on penetration is basic anatomy. The heart is directly behind the rib cage along with the lungs....a 10 inch gel test means in self defense straight on shots is deadly. The FBI standards are for LE who get into gun battles where they need to take sideways shots thru the shoulder ....

[@ToolsandTargets]

Very true.👍

[@YellowHammer26]

I really don't think there's any need for the 30 super carry but I will say that it has performed very well in every test I have seen. Thanks for the video tools 👍👍.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed. It's definitely not a bad round, just nothing that makes you wanna switch to it. Appreciate ya sir!

[@thomascozart1095]

So, if I heard correctly, the 380 has less recoil-correct?

[@joshuamoore24_7]

I shot a old water well that's galvanized steel with a 9mm and the lead splattered out and all that was left was a daisy flower shaped piece of copper. 🌼

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥🌼💥

[@bigguy8749]

What’s the price on the 30 super ammo. 38o cost $35 50 pack.

[@sodeepopkid6855]

You could have spun the gel around and shot on the clean side for the 30 & 380 test.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I do that after I have run three tests on one block first. I do six tests per remelt. Three tests per block. It takes way too much time for the remelting process to do any less.

[@valkyriect3919]

Great test Tools! You know I love the 380acp tests. But I’ve said it before if I wanted to step it up I would go for a 9mm. So many different tools and ammunition to choose from. If the 30sc did what the marketing said it was supposed to be. I would think about it.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you ma'am. Completely agree.👍

[@BulletsB4Guns_2A]

Love HST in every Cal, well not the Hst in 10mm 🤣🤣🤣 Good video Tools

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Definitely good stuff.

[@brianbenton3826]

Do you have any plans to test the Federal Hydra-Shok Deep 380? Federal claims it is the only expanding 380 to meet the FBI minimum for penetration.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I just happen to have some of that on the way.😎👍

[@brianbenton3826]

@@ToolsandTargets Excellent! I look forward to seeing the test. 👍

[@rottiesrule5285]

i don't know tools....i got no complants on penetration..the HST done great as far as i'm concerned..and IMHO if it gets that far inside it's doing damage that more polly than not the threat is going down.might take an extra shot but.....still a great test tools..thanks for the jelly fix

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. It would do the trick.👍

[@randlerichardson5826]

I’m calling the law tell them your gel blocks are full of tract marks and you’ve been shooting it up lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

[@ToolsandTargets]

😂😂😂

[@oakland002]

I wonder what the price is between these two

[@jeffreybean5363]

HST 380 is no joke great test Tools..👍👍👍 I have a 380 its a HI point need to get a better 380. Got another question for you where can I get a chronograph? Stay safe and God bless

[@ToolsandTargets]

MidwayUSA or Amazon is where I would get one. Whichever place has it cheaper.👍 This is the one I use amzn.to/3wVVPwb

[@jeffreybean5363]

Thanks👍

[@lazygamer9725]

I still like the xtp in 380 and 9mm seems to work for me... and Tools come on Callaway loads the xtp in 380... no tests I might just have to get you some ammo bought up n send it to ya brother

[@ToolsandTargets]

I'll sling it into the jelly!

[@lazygamer9725]

@@ToolsandTargets ok let me see what I can do I'll send u some 380 and 9mm let you checkem out

[@BOOMER-rs5qn]

I think the 30sc will soon go the way of 357 sig and 45gap.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Agreed

[@joemokrzycki2006]

The .380 did it’s job

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep

[@jeffb5733]

I'll still stick with my .40 cal. Or my presidential 1911 .45 . But if come down to it my s&w .500 mag .that will definitely stop them in their tracks. Great video Tools keep them coming. 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

30SC beats .500 magnum any day!😜😜

[@jeffb5733]

Now that would be a test in jelly time. Lol 😆 🤣

[@coindad1973]

Maybe use a gel block to show side by side 22 short (both speeds) = (std. & Hi) vs LR (both speeds) vs mag and maybe 17hmr as well if u has one. 22TCM? Me neither lol

[@ToolsandTargets]

I definitely wanna do some more .22 short stuff. I actually don't have anything in .17hnr or .22tcm.

[@ratagris21]

Good testing Tools! I'll still stick to 9mm or .380 in a pinch for a 👊. 🎩♠🎯🏁🏵💙💛🌻🇺🇸🍀

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. 9mm for life!

[@jackvliet]

Does 30sc make any sense?

[@Brykk]

Are there even any micro pistols for 30sc like there is for the 380 (p3at, db380, etc)? The only pistols i can think of that are chambered in 30sc are actually 9mm sized pistols, and ill take 9 every single time.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Nope. The only 3 pistols currently on the market that are chambered in 30SC are the Shield Plus, this Shield EZ, and a Nighthawk Custom 1911.

[@Brykk]

@@ToolsandTargets the intended market for this round is just baffling to me. I think were on the same page with this round. Thanks for videos.

[@sodeepopkid6855]

My wife runs the HST 99 grain in her Ruger lcp2. I wouldn't want to be hit with that nasty round.

[@ToolsandTargets]

You got that right.

[@wesleycameron1034]

I have a Glock in 380 but I really want that Smith.. ever since I tried the smith in 10mm I want one in each caliber now. Love my 10mm should have given the EZ a chance a year ago. Well I don’t want a 30 super lol

[@ToolsandTargets]

These are some of the best shooting pistols I own without a doubt.

[@robertharing7031]

What can I add other than the HSTs. Work in all calibers

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yes it does!

[@TheCharlesAtoz]

Seems like the 30 super carry is more like a 9mm, at least the nine gets the expansion and penetration like the 30SC. Tbh, the 30SC is one more gun that I don't know or think I need. It'll take several years for LE(FBI) feedback as well as civilian feedback for anyone of us to consider its use. Unless you like bandwagons. I love my .327 Federal Magnum, it is more like .357, and boy does it out kick the 38 Special. I'm good. Thanks for the analysis.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I could be wrong but I don't see this 30SC catching on too much at all.

[@TheCharlesAtoz]

@@ToolsandTargets Business is business, but did we really need it? On one hand it is fine to make money, but why not design a better 9mm projectile? Put some money into RnD- create a 9mm that'll slay a dragon!! Good job on building out your brand, maybe some day you'll get into doing some political commentary on the state of the country and the 2nd Amendment. I would listen- you seem like a real, honest-to-goodness nice guy.

[@bigtrev761]

🇦🇺😎👍Lol Never tell people there favourite caliber is 💣SHIT 😂 ..... brother, your a scientist 🤔......love the experiment mate, love the jelly, love the petals ✌👍TARGET & TOOLS TELLS THE TRUTH GUYS 🇦🇺😎👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

People definitely get sensitive about their favorite ammo!😆 Appreciate ya, brother!

[@MegaBait1616]

Those Smiths look good.......has their triggers ??

[@ToolsandTargets]

Excellent triggers on even the standard versions. Performance Center is even better They're some of my favorite pistols to shoot

[@briandewitt3306]

Love the 30 super

[@jardinero9112]

Love to see some gold dot go against the hst.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I can definitely do that.👍

[@ctsnider88]

I really like those HST rounds

[@ToolsandTargets]

HST are great rounds for sure.