3D Printed Anti-Personnel Mines In Ukraine

[@TheArmourersBench]

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[@DeezyP]

"Graphic design is my passion" I love this channel. Always showing the coolest stuff.

[@TheArmourersBench]

Haha. Thank you and thank you for watching!

[@NorthForkFisherman]

"You wouldn't download a mine, would you?" Someone over at ATF is totally losing their shit over this as we speak.

[@Mack_Dingo]

Reminds me of Watch Dogs 2.

[@obsidianjane4413]

Not at all. Its "job security".

[@eriklondon2946]

Governments really don't like competition.

[@justindunlap1235]

Of course I wouldn't download one, id probably try to improve the design myself.

[@NorthForkFisherman]

@@justindunlap1235 And that ATF agent just keeled over from a stroke. Mission Accomplished?

[@DrakonPhD]

Putting new meaning into plastic explosives.

[@geronimo5537]

not really. pretty much the same as everything since the 70s. just more crude and less effective. easy to deploy though.

[@maximthemagnificent]

Woosh!

[@op-dm8gv]

going to be a mess in the future to demine :O(

[@bakabuk454]

Could be interesting printing these from biodegradable plastics. After few years as the shell would degrade the screw would just fall out and rest would be exposed to the elements making it close to inert.

[@obsidianjane4413]

PLA is pretty darn degradable. Probably not bio friendly, but the plastic becomes very brittle after even a short time exposed to the weather.

[@Hellsong89]

Even in optimal conditions PLA and other bioplastics degrade in 5 years or turn brittle if in constant UV light longer periods of time like 3-4 year, least the ones i have been using. Still this does not remove the treat of detonators and the explosive material it self. Plastic explosives are rather stable even when old, but the detonators are the dangerous thing, still able to remove fingers and will become more unstable over time so with this crap spread around in bulk there will be problems into far future. Furthermore while i dont know the pressure required screw to trigger the detonator, again over time it will be more sensitive and hell something like that looks like normal trash in quick glance so if its sensitive someone will blow their hand off at worse case scenario, though given number of mines etc around, its most likely child that dont know not to touch those.

[@obsidianjane4413]

@@Hellsong89 These seem to be percussion initiated. And the casing's integrity is what stores enough energy for the striker (screw) to ignite the booster which sets off the charge. Think of an egg shell that is very strong until it fails. That means it won't take very long at all for the PLA to deteriorate to the point where it won't have enough resistance. These are far less of a long term threat than the millions of "real" AP mines that have been scattered all over Ukraine already.

[@АртемНікішин]

@@obsidianjane4413 PLA is too fragile. We print it using PETg cause it more resistent to low and high temperatures.

[@dairyfreeburger]

Did anybody else notice the guy almost dropping the mine?

[@GingerMan69420]

yep, but I doubt it would have done anything.

[@obsidianjane4413]

@@GingerMan69420 I would not have wanted to be there to find out.

[@GingerMan69420]

@@obsidianjane4413 considering they are clearly designed to be deployed from a height, it's safe to say nothing would have happened at all.

[@obsidianjane4413]

@@GingerMan69420 That is probably wrong. Drones can carefully place objects on the ground. Don't go into UXO work. You wouldn't last long.

[@alexipestov7002]

​@@obsidianjane4413From a magazine tube stacked 6 to a single drop line? It looks like something that can be scattered from some height with some randomness. At least look at the drop mechanism before trying to make assumptions using a drone's capabilities

[@kored8688]

This channel should be renamed "the Artist's bench", with that kind of graphic design.

[@TheArmourersBench]

Finally the people are recognising where my true talents lie! Thank you.

[@wadekirby8575]

It looks like those will be a problem for years after the conflict is over.

[@TheArmourersBench]

Could well be. PLA is somewhat biogdegradable I believe. Tip of the iceberg though I fear.

[@hannesbaum9318]

​@@TheArmourersBench No its practically Not, atleast in the context of 10-20 years

[@TheArmourersBench]

@@hannesbaum9318 I was thinking in the context of other polymers etc.

[@moritamikamikara3879]

I don't think these are too big of an issue. They're so simple, they don't have any anti-handling devices. If they do work the way you speculate, all you'd need to do it walk up to it and... pick it up, maybe turn it upside down, and render it harmless.

[@aarongraham6207]

Upside of pla is that it degrades fairly quickly due to UV, or even just warmth and moisture. So the housing is unlikely to last that long, and unless they paid extra for a stainless steel screw, that too will corroded soonish

[@obsidianjane4413]

Dude nearly gave us a close up demonstration of its function.

[@AricGardnerMontreal]

didnt have the primer in so no.

[@obsidianjane4413]

@@AricGardnerMontreal Famous last words.

[@DarkenergyAFO898]

,,Ferb ,I think I know what we are going to do next with our 3d printer !”

[@napalmholocaust9093]

A printed crush body throws a whole drawer of parts out the window and pretty much makes these immune from becoming inoperable by time or rust. Just what we always needed 🤔

[@OngoGablogian185]

No different to most other AP mines in that they're plastic/Bakelite.

[@DruidTimer]

What the world needs, more AP mines.... Sad, really.

[@obsidianjane4413]

Depends on what they are printed with. There are specific degradeable plastics and even PLA will breakdown quickly in weather.

[@ptonpc]

PLA (especially when 3D printed) degrades relatively quickly (You will get microplastics but that's everywhere). It's a minor problem, especially compared to the amount of mines the orcs have sown.

[@tamlandipper29]

What if you made the join of top and bottom compostable, so it breaks down and soil movement and water neutralise it?

[@billlexington5788]

Logistically speaking, looks like an effective and easily spread toe popper.may not function all the time correctly but at scale it will help delay/deter infantry.

[@petunized]

Doubt its effective. Probably works like 10% of time and even than you have to step firmly. Also not safe to handle.

[@mersenniusprime]

With all the small drones and 3d printed nonsense, this has pretty much turned into a hobby war. All we need now is someone to build an EW system out of a raspberry pi and it would officially be Revenge of the Nerds.

[@donwyoming1936]

I could build you a drone jammer for less than $100. Making one that doesn't jam a lot of your own stuff.... might take a bit longer to develop

[@TheKakan1337]

at this point, Russia will use any western technology and writing some cyrillic on them.

[@Spectrecontrol]

Let me be the first to welcome our new nerdy overlords 😄

[@haaxeu6501]

They already make all kinds of EW systems from civilian hobby components

[@jamesharding3459]

@@donwyoming1936 $100? You’re thinking way too ambitious. You can do it with $25 of hardware store parts and some ingenuity. PSA: Do not build radio jammers. It makes the FCC very unhappy, even if it’s just a badly thought out high school physics lab.

[@turboslag]

Seems odd there is no frag content, other than from the plastic case?

[@3DPT]

the plastic will definitely shred boots and feet. There is room in those for nails and scrap for added effect if you wanted too...

[@Reactordrone]

Like a butterfly mine, they're just blast effect to shred someone's foot.

[@theguy1506]

HE straight into the foot, doesn't need shrapnel to do what it's meant to do

[@turboslag]

@theguy1506 Ok, but with frag it would also debilitate any others in the vicinity, which is worse for the enemy because they have to be recovered and treated for serious wounds. Are Claymores used any more?

[@lhapekl]

@@turboslag they drop these from air, they don't want additional weight to make them self-detonate on landing

[@petter5721]

Thanx👍🏻 SWEOD has an interesting channel about mines.

[@michailpanchev9952]

Isn't the anti-personel mines use banned by international conventions?

[@paullangford8179]

Only for those who have signed them.

[@pavelvovk8801]

It should be banned if both sides are respect the conventions. Ukraine has signed it and destroyed all of them many years ago. But russia has not signed it and massively uses. So, we have just 2 simple options: to kill or to be killed. We have no anti-personal mines, so have to invent simpliest ones to save our lives. Ordinary people, who has printed it, did not signed any conventions, so not need to respect it.

[@alexkudov7669]

Banned for the Ukraine, not for Russia, DPR and LPR. But the Ukraine use AP mines.

[@teemulanden7937]

are these part on the geneva suggestions?

[@JustinHunnicutt]

It'd be easy to simply use a filament that degrades rapidly (meaning weeks or months) with uv to make these less of a long term problem.

[@chuckfinley3152]

"Graphic design is my passion" lol

[@stillhere4165]

Do you think painting the screwhead black would help the mine's effectiveness, or is it supposed to be noticed as a form of area denial?

[@Legitpenguins99]

Damn. That is impressively simple. Surprised the concept wasn't widely used before, but made of glass or ceramic

[@mrkeogh]

But they're brittle materials that don't cope with mishandling or shocks very well. You could definitely use a glass or ceramic crush element within a more resilient body, though. Plastic is almost perfect for this application: you can design it to have enough resilience to survive a drop from, say, 100m onto soft ground like grass or mud, but it will also be crushed by a human adult stepping on it, say 40kg of weight (half the average body weight of a soldier, which is heavier again if you include combat gear). Producing them via injection moulding would make the activation more consistent, you can end up with wildly varying strengths with 3d prints depending on how the print strands are oriented, what temperature it was printed at, etc. Then again, a bit of variation makes them difficult to predict and thus harder to defuse...

[@thesayxx]

that would violate the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons. You have to know, wars dont last forever and the majority of the victims of said mines would be civilians well after the hostilities stop. Hundreds of civilians (mainly farmers) and ordnance disposal workers died in France due to unexploded ordinance in areas that saw battles 100 years ago. and there is a big list of countries with similar problems.

[@Flixus98]

@@thesayxx What part of the convention would it violate?

[@clockworkvanhellsing372]

​@@Flixus98anti personal mine use.

[@thesayxx]

@@Flixus98 Protocol I: Non-Detectable Fragments, Protocol II: Mines, Booby Traps and Other Devices and Protocol V: Explosive Remnants of War. Basically all but 1 part of that convention

[@Jesses001]

Well, you can not get much more simple than that.

[@tottorookokkoroo5318]

Lol at the guy almost dropping it at 3:05

[@fabianluethi03]

I hope that he didn't install a detonator lol

[@alf3071]

how much damage can they do?

[@ButcherTTV]

Would this low quality mine lead to deterioration of the internal components enough that it wouldn't explode after a period of time? I'm hoping yes. If only all mines would deteriorate after a short set period of time. it would be a good thing.

[@KaLaka16]

Excellent video, thanks. KZbin really needs to change their subscription system. It's a bigger problem than most realize.

[@Miazger]

How much tenarite one could fit in?

[@Sp1der44]

I'm skeptical about the "initiator/detonator" component and want to see it because it seems to be missing from all of this video shown here. 🤔

[@ripHalo0002]

Finding these after the war is going to take forever once the grass re-grows.

[@belligerentinstigator944]

How effective is something this small?

[@yagsipcc287]

blasts your toes off, damages your foot you are taken out. Mostly kids, pets and old people get injuried byt these things.

[@nustada]

I got to thinking they could make half or more of them to be fake\unarmed just if the explosive or igniters are limited. That way the effect would be similar but at even less cost.

[@echomande4395]

I'm wondering if someone somewhere is adapting the design so the shell can be made through injection molding. Injection molding is faster than 3D printing.

[@obsidianjane4413]

This is a 3D printed copy of the "toe popper" mines that have been used since WWII. Both sides started the war with millions and US is supplying a few million of fancy ones that have a self inerting function.

[@ParoXyzmm]

Injection moulding is faster, however; Milling the mould for an injection mould setup (Not to mention the cost of the machine itself) can cost in excess of a couple hundred thousand dollars. The point of these is likely that individuals at lower levels in the Ukraine armed forces can produce them with very low entry and production cost.

[@satina1169]

Stl?

[@thesayxx]

replacing the metal screw with a plastic one (making it undetectable) would violate the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons btw.

[@Nubbe999]

With an enemy using plastic antipersonnel mines and an enemy who has destroyed 1/4 of Ukraine. It is easy to argue that Ukraine needs to use the best available weapons to protect itself. Ukraine is already full of mines that will take 100+ years to get rid of. So, whether a field has 100 or 1000 mines does not really matter; it will still take the same amount of time to clear the field.

[@thesayxx]

@@Nubbe999 thats a slippery slope to a total war my guy. This mine wont turn the tide of war, and will only maim innocent people when the war is long over.

[@SimonMester]

It's pretty evident neither side cares much for rules of war or due process so we can safely rule those concerns out for determining where things will develop.

[@alexkudov7669]

Все конвенции нарушены давно, в первую очередь Украиной.

[@RossRadford]

@@alexkudov7669 says the person with a suspiciously russian-sounding name.

[@jurgenhissen]

Honestly surprising that a simple shape like this should be 3d-printed. Seems it would be more efficient for volume production to set up an injection mold for thermo-set PE pellets.

[@clockworkvanhellsing372]

probably to distribute the manufacturing. Inhection molding does take expensive equipment, especially for last ditch and or experimental ordinance.

[@oliverherzog7702]

time to market is far superior and the thread is not simple to inject mold.

[@clockworkvanhellsing372]

@oliverherzog7702 A clip together shell would also work and be better moldable, but yeah, time to market and uncertanty about effectivness might be the main factor.

[@Reactordrone]

The fragility of the 3d print is part of the design though.

[@Horendus123]

Thats no where near as macgyver though, not to mention this can be designed on a cheap laptop and produced on $200 printer with a $30 roll of plastic in a blown out bunker. You can then setup many of these mobile munitions operations all across the front What your suggesting requires expensive tooling to produce a suitable mould and an injection moulding machine so basically a proper workshop of sorts You then need logistics network to distribute them across the front line, etc etc

[@donutxkitkat]

Stl?

[@breadman32398]

Hmm. Seems inferior to the pedal mines. You have to step directly down on it. While the pedal mines can go off if kicked I believe.

[@BrzydkiBurak]

step/stl anyone?

[@BlackWolf18C]

If you can't reproduce it by simply seeing it, you probably have no place making it.

[@Bryce_C.]

@@BlackWolf18Cthat’s a silly rule

[@wfpnknw32]

Tpu based printing could be more robust to weather etc

[@fishook96]

Matt, it might be more annoying as a creator but KZbin prefers videos over 7 minutes I believe. It will recommend them with more people

[@TheArmourersBench]

Yeah I have read this too. At the moment I just can't dedicate the time to it, a lot going on at the moment that's sapping time away. On average an in-depth video takes about a week of production (depending how much imagery there is to work with) not counting the weeks/months of tracking down sources and evidence. Hoping to get to some longer ones before the end of the year! I enjoy doing longer videos, it's just hard to keep up sometimes. Thank you for watching!

[@fishook96]

@TheArmourersBench that totally makes sense! If you aren't worried about living off KZbin i don't think it matters much on length anyway

[@ThePobin1]

​@@TheArmourersBench one of the things I like about your videos is how I don't have to dedicate a lot of time to it or put up with a lot of fluff like introductions or a 20 minute history of similar weapons

[@TheArmourersBench]

@ThePobin1 thank you! I don't like to assume people know too much about the weapons but if it's something common I'll try to get to the point quickly.

[@TheArmourersBench]

@@fishook96 yeah, it isn't my career, though there is overlap, but it's still important to me and it's great if things I put time into get seen by more people.

[@JeffBilkins]

Someone could ship a bunch of second hand injection moulding machines to Ukraine and mass produce the 3D printed designs that work good and are worth the setup. Or maybe they're already doing that for other stuff like the drones.

[@ParoXyzmm]

The Moulding machines themselves aren't the problem, machining the actual mould for a setup is *incredibly* intricate, to the point it can take weeks to months, and cost hundreds of thousands of dollars as a result. You would probably need some sort of 6 axis CNC machine, which would be much better used on other things for the Ukrainians right now.

[@justicar5]

Ukraine has injection moulding machines, they have better uses right now than being on downtime proofing out new moulds.

[@Spectrecontrol]

You could almost recycle water bottles and adapt the design to do the same thing

[@ronblack7870]

@@ParoXyzmm nope that part is super simple . i make molds so i know. and ukraine could even get a chinese moldmaker to make the molds cheap . yes china plays both sides , much more the russian side but a shop in china would for sure make a mold like that.

[@bma109]

No metallic shrapnel apart from the screw? And how does the Phillip's head screw act as a striker when it looks like it has already been screwed in and is almost flush to the plastic surface?

[@justicar5]

The plastic breaks, basically a very basic pressure sensor, anything heavy enough to crush the plastic body forces the striker down and detonates the mine.

[@3DPT]

Plastic shrapnel can cut skin, hurts when it splinters in your foot (ask me how I know 😐). The screw is held above the striker, stepping on the top crushes the shell and guides the screw into the striker. PLA is brittle under force, so it would snap under the pressure of a loaded soldier standing on it.

[@woodwaker1]

Looks simple enough that it could even be printed on a Creality

[@ThatSockmonkey]

Terrifying. AP mines scare the shit out of me.

[@lajoyalobos2009]

Next, you just have to get some grey filament, and print it out as a rock with the same internals.

[@TheArmourersBench]

There's already some disguised mines in use iirc.

[@RavemastaJ]

Without a spring, I don't think these will be all that effective. You are depending on someone to step with their full weight on the mine, with no other way of setting it off than that. So a simple sweep will easily reveal them, and there is no way for them to have a secondary detonation method by themselves (they are not tamper resistant). While neat, the could be improved very simply with further 3d printed parts. The 'snail' spring from the original Liberator 3d printed pistol comes to mind.

[@SuperFunkmachine]

There a slowing item, if they stop russains from running across fields then they buy more time for other systems.

[@LeutnantJoker]

This is a common missconception civilians have. Harming soldiers is only a secondary use of Minefields. THe primary one is denial of terrain. That's why many minefields are even clearly marked in war history. THe point is that you cannot rapidly advance through the terrain, you need to demine it first. That makes it unusable as a route of advance. That's the main effect. Yes killing a couple soldiers is a side effect but after one or two have stepped on one, the area is known to be mined and will be avoided, so it's not like you get any significant kill count out of it. What you do get is an enemy that has to cancel an assault and look for another route, maybe one you want them to take because the terrain there is more advantageous to you, or allows an ambush.

[@obsidianjane4413]

Its just a "toe popper". Its not meant to kill. Just produce casualties and attrit a force trying to move thru the mine field. You will not feel like stormtroopin' after your foot has been turned into hamburger.

[@alexkudov7669]

Более сложная мина потребует механизм дальнего взведения.

[@markfagohii8632]

manmade horrors beyond comprehension

[@richbattaglia5350]

You mean WONDERS!

[@drnage4495]

It's an AP mine man, this ain't that new

[@The-future-is-in-the-past]

Not really, the landmine is well within comprehension.

[@monkemode8128]

@@drnage4495 True but it's becoming more and more accessible. Obviously it was inevitable with 3D printing and everything getting so cheap it's just that now we're seeing it. Like how the "consumer drones are dangerous" crowd wasn't taken seriously until they started being used at a wide scale, which took years.

[@LeutnantJoker]

Oh man if you think this is bad lol. You should research the crap that was used in the Yugoslavia wars.

[@3DPT]

I saw this recently and was thinking "great, 3D printing doesn't need the .stl's floating around. We don't need to give the ATF a reason to start passing rules in 3D printing." It's scary how simple it is, and how a few printers could crank them out in a day. If you injection mold this at scale then you have issues.

[@BlackWolf18C]

The problem with trying to regulate anything in the 3D printing field is that 3D printers were not invented by big companies. They were invented by hobbyists with laser cut plywood in a garage. Even the models available from larger companies utilize the same ubiquitous parts as they always have. Stepper motors, motor control boards, Arduino-style motherboards, lead screws, drive belts, bearings, thermocouples and thermistors, aluminum extrusion. All off-the-shelf parts used in thousands of other fields that have nothing to do with 3D printing. They're simple machines, the software is available as an open-source, and filaments can be either made at home or sourced from other things like weed trimmer line. You can't stop the signal.

[@SickSilverado1982]

Oh shit! Why did i click on this video? Now im on a new FBI watch list. Shouldve remembered how KZbin gave up viewer info for looking at drone stuff last time the feds got worried.

[@sqike001ton]

im guessing they want the metal screw non detectable AP mines aren't good for PR reasons

[@SonsOfLorgar]

The shape, simplicity and metal screw also makes it easier to detect, recognize and clear after the war.

[@josephd.5524]

Given how much shrapnel and bullet spall there is scattered throughout a warzone, trying to find a single screw is next to impossible. These will be staying alive and dangerous in the fields until found, one way or another, and I'm sorry to say that finding all of them will involve civilian legs being blown off for the next 50 years. These are one of those dreadful weapons that Ukraine had no choice but to use.

[@UnfollowYourDreams]

​@@josephd.5524 these are so fragile... UV light will make the cheap PLA print break apart in 2-4 years and the screw will also rust away.

[@Eekolooginen]

​@@UnfollowYourDreams You cant rely on sun light and the elements... Its just a bad argument. The butterfly mines are basically the same and do damage to civilians even after long periods of time being exposed to the elements. Some of them are going to be protected from the elements enough to detonate like under trees and such.. Also the elements could make them even more fragile making them even more dangerous. They are explosives afterall and should be taken seriosly.

[@UnfollowYourDreams]

@@Eekolooginen the light weight, cheapness and simplicity come at a cost. They are airdropped from altitude at speed and then are exposed to the elements. They will deteriorate faster than all other mines fielded in ukraine so far and are probably less reliable to begin with compared to massproduced mines from actual arms factories. Sure, mines always pose a danger, that's by design. But my guess is other types of mines will be a much larger problem for ukraine.

[@UnfollowYourDreams]

@@Eekolooginen unless they use stainless steel screws, after a decade in the woods non of these mines will function any longer.

[@javir1669]

Marvelous ❤

[@purelife9000]

so, where's the .stl!?

[@pseudomemes5267]

Doesn't look too complicated. The real difficult part is getting the C4.

[@mrkeogh]

Thingiverse 😂

[@clockworkvanhellsing372]

​@@pseudomemes5267 I'd even say the initiater might be more difficult, since c4 probably can't be ignited by a normal primer cap.

[@clockworkvanhellsing372]

@BlackWolf18C thank you, good to know that petn can be ignited by a primer allone.

[@Raz_Tactical]

Honestly the simplicity of this is amazing. I bet it cost at most a dollar to make. And can be dropped enmasse behind enemy lines with drones. Get a couple drones to fly over and do them along common supply routes and it's bound to cause casualties or at least slow down supply delivery

[@ParoXyzmm]

The explosives and striker are the only two things that would really cost anything. PLA is cheap as hell so It's probably like $0.30 worth of plastic, the screw probably being around the same or less.

[@Gravity_studioss]

Isnt the deadly part of a Grenade / Mine the shrapnel? Not saying that the explosion is not deadly, but the mine being entirely made of plastic reduces the amount of shrapnel, making it less effective

[@SuperFunkmachine]

That's of little comfit to the guy without a foot.

[@obsidianjane4413]

This is a "toe popper" Its not designed to kill. Just has enough charge to damage a foot.

[@furycorp]

Its a feature not a bug of antipersonnel mines that maim vs kill. They are just as effective at neutralizing the soldier that stepped on it and removing them as a combatant as they also tie up other soldiers to evacuate them and use up medical resources to treat them (even this particular enemy bothers with that from time to time).

[@mrkeogh]

No, the nastier AP mines really just try to blow your foot off. Having one guy screaming in agony after the end of his leg has been turned into a bloody shredded stump is very effective because you've now forced the enemy to have to dedicate medics to look after them until they're medevac'd. It's also a pretty nasty surprise to everyone, affecting morale. Plus, now they're forced to keep looking down at the ground for antipersonnel mines instead of looking up and around searching for you 🤷🏻‍♂️ Adequate spacing between soldiers negates much of the effects of a far more complicated and expensive bounding mine. Body armour makes shrapnel injuries less common than before, but you know what parts of the body aren't easily armoured? Feet.

[@mrkeogh]

​@@furycorpExactly. Cheap and nasty, yet still does the job 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@UnbannedAgain]

Dont play with the plastic hockey pucks, kids

[@AZ3D_printing]

gawd, calibrate your first layers 🥱

[@killobot2388]

micro plastic distributing explosive hellscape

[@peterxyz3541]

I rather use Kydex sheets and vac form the shell

[@furycorp]

I'm sure the Ukrainians would rather they had enough factory produced weapons to use too

[@sinclairedistephano7075]

Bad Idea... 1 wrong move, Boom... Need more precautions while transporting it, or it will become another firework presentation

[@hoppinggnomethe4154]

The Liberator of mines

[@Math667]

Remembers me to the German glasmine 43 (may be you take a look). There is STILL a minefield in Germany of this shit... .. and they got put down without an map by drone...not a good idea for "after war" AT ALL

[@alexkudov7669]

This territories is lost for the Ukraine.

[@Math667]

@@alexkudov7669 the war isn't over yet

[@95throughaschoolzone]

Interesting concept. idk how useful these would be in actual combat but if the Ukranians are making them, I guess theres a need then?

[@KorbenDalasCZ]

Violation of the Ottawa Agreement. It can be seen that the West demands compliance with agreements only when it suits them.

[@goober-ey7mx]

The russians were using AP mines first, so if they refuse to comply with the ottawa agreement, why should ukraine have to?

[@KorbenDalasCZ]

@@goober-ey7mx Russia, like the US, is not a signatory to this agreement, so they can use it without penalty. Ukraine, however, signed this agreement and waived the right to use them and assumed the obligations arising from the signing of the agreement.

[@goober-ey7mx]

@KorbenDalasCZ it is still a breach of international law, whether or not they signed up.

[@KorbenDalasCZ]

@@goober-ey7mx it just isn't. States that have not signed the treaty do not have to comply with it and may not be penalized for it. that's just how it works in international law. There is no instrument on the whole country that could force the sovereign state to comply with certain obligations. Everything is based on voluntariness. You should study more at school.

[@greenspiraldragon]

Looks almost as dangerous for the person placing them and making them as their target.

[@DrakeingNbakeing]

❤❤❤

[@alexshield7532]

will be interessting in the future how and if ukraine gets punished for using these mines because they signed the ottowa treaty, And no being attacked is no valid excuse. No idea why any country would sign this treaty.

[@AnAceism]

ahh yes just great for future children etc to find and play with

[@angelosasso1653]

This will give Terrorists all kinds of ideas. Stuff like grenades, drone munitions, heck you can even print drones but mines are about as cost effective as you can get really. Even if Russia would be able to invade larger parts of Ukraine Partisans would be a major pain in the arse with things like that.

[@geronimo5537]

Although simple to spread around. They have a very basic flaw of allowing the screw to not always strike center. Where the chance of explosion is much lower if someone or something breaks the shell with weight pushing on the edge. It seems only applying weight perfectly center would make these a danger. A leaf petal mine is still far more dangerous than these. Surprising they did not try copying and using less metal of those in a similar design.

[@comfortablynumb9342]

It's a war crime to indiscriminately drop mines, especially in an area with civilians. I listened to a video about the Russians dropping anti personel mines just today and the point was that it's a war crime.

[@TheArmourersBench]

Sadly that isn't stopping either side from deploying them. The reality of war.

[@comfortablynumb9342]

@TheArmourersBench Yeah. It's ugly.

[@mrkeogh]

This sort of drone-deployed AP mine will be a nightmare for Russian logistics. Ukraine can drop them along paths or trenches where they know Russian resupply has to come. It will at least complicate Russian efforts to move behind their own lines. Anywhere within drone range is now susceptible to AP mines. I just hope the Ukrainians are keeping tabs on where they're dropping them 😬

[@jintsuubest9331]

Russian are not idiots...... Both side been doing what you describe since 2014... Scratch that, we been doing that since mine is a thing. As far as marking them. Something like this will barely make a dent on all the other different mine currently in ukraine.

[@paullangford8179]

They will be able to see where they've been by the small blast craters left behind by the Russians.

[@petunized]

This doesn't seem to have neither safety nor reliability of mass produced mines

[@nustada]

Mines outlast wars, the use should be considered war crimes against the civilians.

[@yagsipcc287]

They are. Ukraine has already been using the pettle mine in Eastern Ukraine for many years. Kids, old people and animals are the ones who get hurt 98% of the time

[@Sqeyo]

its cheap easy to produce and can be customized for specific purposes. 3d printed things is already part of the war's, any reason to not buy 3d printer?

[@johnsmith-jq1uc]

this is cursed

[@justinhughes4722]

.Stl files please... ? 🤭

[@FrejthKing]

so you Minecrafted

[@TwoWarPlayers]

If I am not mistaken, using mines without metal in them is a war crime. Thats propably why Ukrain uses srews.

[@hhkk6155]

They are just destroying their land with this junk 😢

[@Reactordrone]

No, they're scattering them inside Russia.

[@hhkk6155]

@Reactordrone and what will RU do? Send them 10-100x more. Ukrainians are the dumbest people in the world

[@yagsipcc287]

​@@hhkk6155yup and they have been doing it for years in the eastern regions with no care in the world

[@Ratmilker]

3d printers really out here invalidating every rule of the Geneva Convention and weapon control laws across the globe whilst also being used to make anime girl statues at the same time Truly mans most underrated invention

[@mungo7136]

And what exactly they invalidated? Besides the fact that many people cite either wrong conventions or regulations that are non-existent?

[@Ratmilker]

@mungo7136 the ligma convention

[@hackedbyBLAGH]

Seems like an ineffective mine

[@ParoXyzmm]

It's cheap as dirt though, I would guarantee they cost less than $10 a piece to manufacture.

[@VenturiLife]

Toe-poppers...

[@multifaceteduser3405]

this is going to be problematic for innocents abit like the cluster bombs

[@markorsrpska7230]

The use of antipersonnel mines by Ukraine is a violation of the 1997 Mine Ban Treaty, to which Ukraine is party.

[@TheArmourersBench]

Indeed. I guess with Russia using them they've decided it's simply practical to use them themselves.

[@markorsrpska7230]

@@TheArmourersBench I'm pretty sure somewhere in the Mine Ban Treaty is the sentence "even if the other side uses it" it is still banned. Maybe I'm wrong? By the way, Russia and the USA are not signatories to the aforementioned treaty.

[@TheArmourersBench]

@markorsrpska7230 I don't think Treaties mean much in practical terms when the other side isn't signed up to them.

[@markorsrpska7230]

@@TheArmourersBench Well, I guess you are right.Treaties are made to be broken. It is hard to find one that hasn’t been violated.

[@yagsipcc287]

@@TheArmourersBench Ukraine has been using Butterfly mines for years as well against the people in Donbas and other regions mostly little kids, old people and pets get hurt by all of these mines. Hell countries still are struggling with mines left by NATO countries around the world decades later.

[@guntotingnerd8830]

Pretty sure plastic mines or plastic fragmentation is actually a war crime. Due to the fact they ca t be detected by metal detectors and the shrapnel is harder to detect/remove

[@helper761]

no

[@thesayxx]

@@helper761 yes. read the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons from 1980

[@xitro20xx]

its allowed, because of the metal screw .... yea small details

[@poptie0828]

Isnt it a War crime to deploy non Metallic mines??

[@TheArmourersBench]

AP mines in general are prohibited yeah.

[@errantstar]

​@@TheArmourersBenchNo they are Not. AP mines are prohibited by signatory states such as Canada or Ukraine, which may not use them. Countries that did not sign the Ottawa convention, such as the US, Israel, Russia, China etc. may and are using them.

[@TheArmourersBench]

They're actually still considered a violation of international law whether they signed up or not.

[@brianmurray1395]

Think of what we could do if we worked to NOT kill each other rather to make things not destructive but productive for humanity. This garbage will hurt many people for years to come. So much for farming. What a contaminated country now.

[@doxielain2231]

plastic plastic explosives

[@steamachine95]

Миллиарды, выделенные Киеву, так эффективно осели к карманах, что солдатам приходится...печатать мины? Какой позор

[@zedeyejoe]

Those mines are dangerous and will last forever. I am not a fan.

[@vos2693]

Cost-effective? I don't think so. That thing could be casted, but instead it is taking valuable time and resources of 3D-printers.

[@carlc.4714]

Or glue them together from pvc pipes and sheets.

[@vos2693]

@carlc.4714 yup, something like that. In fact, for the purpose of area denial one could just dip cardboard in nitrocellulose - that'll be good enough for about a month.

[@3DPT]

that's $0.50 worth of PLA, about an hr to print. A farm could batch print a few hundred a week.

[@carlc.4714]

@@3DPT and how much does a 3d printer cost? What does the maintenance cost? Are there experts dealing with printing problems? How many mines can one printer produce in a day? Can it work without electricity? I still only see propaganda of the 3d printing lobby, and no real advantage, especially when producing such simple devices.

[@eriklondon2946]

This is terrifying. This means anyone, literally anyone, could print these and make this. Cartels, Governments to use against their own people, Mega Corporations anyone.

[@schnizzyfizz7832]

You can print the shell yes. But the spicy filling that makes it go boom is fortunately way harder to get for most people

[@eriklondon2946]

@@schnizzyfizz7832 Yes this makes sense, but it also doesn't take a genius to start asking questions of google or AI to get info on other forms of explosives. I get it, there is nothing that we can do at this point, but man this new type of war is terrifying, as it used to cost from +$100k per tank/person that is deleted to maybe $2k or less. You had to be a huge government to have these kinds of tools, now you can be a some random guy who lives in a tent that can end a lot of people. Thanks for hearing me vent about it. War is horrible, and it becoming easier and cheaper to bring against innocent people is concerning. I get its a part of what we are as humans, I just wish it wasn't made so easy to do things to people.

[@beskydyk]

That's nasty:/

[@kiereluurs1243]

For F's sake DON'T fill the frame with useless distraction!!

[@amitaimedan]

Looks useless, no fragments, I don't see how this type of striker can work.

[@brokencat2662]

Bald armchair is expert has never heard of toe poppers that are meant to maim infantry? What else is new.

[@BoiiWonder]

plastic AP mines? Wow, modern Geneva convention violation!

[@javir1669]

Who cares 😅

[@obsidianjane4413]

It has the metal screw and percussion cap. Not. Ruzzia on the other hand has sown millions of fully plastic AP mines.

[@Jays22b]

what a stupid idea .

[@Stalker-i5v]

💪🇺🇦👍

[@actonman7291]

You land is fill up with these mines.

[@Stalker-i5v]

​@@actonman7291Для того щоб росіянам ноги відривало))

[@Stalker-i5v]

​@@actonman7291Так тож для знищення російських окупантів 😊

[@Notrusbot]

​@@Stalker-i5vте уже нет надежды на выход границ 1991 года😂

[@yuzhuocao5663]

Ain’t these illegal?

[@goober-ey7mx]

As of the ottawa agreement, yes, but the russians were using a similar type of mine first, kind of like a cluster bomb, a 2 for 1 warcrime package.

[@yagsipcc287]

​@@goober-ey7mxthe pettle mine has been used by Ukraine for years already they put them on outskirts of small towns in Eastern Ukraine this is nothing new and more of the same bs from the ones who are impacted are kids, old people and animals 98% of cases