3D resin print supports [EASY GUIDE]

[@Henchman1977]

I'm a fairly experienced 3d printer user (fdm and resin) and I definitely learned today and found this helpful!

[@vogman]

That's very kind Ian 😁

[@retromodernart4426]

@@vogman If there was an 100-upvote button, I would hit it, thank you very much! So clear and on point, you're one of the best!

[@bogatyr2473]

"I oversupport, but I don't get many failed prints so I don't care." That sums up my thoughts perfectly. I'd rather have a couple supports that I could probably have gotten away with not using. Than find that five hours later my print bombed.

[@vogman]

Exactly! 5 minutes cleaning up supports vs 5 hours waiting on a mis-print. It's an obvious choice 😁

[@TundraGheist]

This isn't just for beginners... this is a resin printing supports masterclass!

[@joepeach997]

I avoided resin printing because of not understanding supports completely. But thanks to you, I'm ready to give it a go. I learn with articulate speech, animation and clear, uncluttered stills. You are my kind of teacher.

[@vogman]

Glad I could help 😁

[@C-M-E]

Quite recently I've been doing some in-depth reading on the subject of improving resin print quality and wondered why everyone always recommends rotating in increments of xx degrees. A lot of times, the listed answer is simply gravity and better support structure, but in that digging, I came across some white papers from the wee early days of resin printing that did an in-depth test of print quality based on shapes and orientation. Longish story shortish, 30* was found to offer the optimal angle for surface resolution, less stair stepping, better resin drainage and the least amount of distortion for the average of simple and complex shapes tested. Of course in practice it's nice when it works, but like my current project, it's so big on the platform that I'm exceptionally limited on angles, like 15 or 31. If it weren't an industrial part dependant on exact tolerance, I was almost of the mindset that I was going to model in registration keys and chop it in half, but due to the complex shape, it'd be a literal nightmare to get it back in spec and be 100% trustworthy. I may end up doing it anyway and try to make it a part that can be cast and copied, but I have great suspicion that it's not going to work without a major redesign.

[@DividedStates]

Honestly, this screams for an AI optimising number and position of supports.

[@vogman]

Slicers are getting better 😁

[@G0ldbl4e]

the slicer is an AI by some definition and that is exactly what it does.

[@jibrankhmous9586]

This voice is so smoothing I feel like he should work for BBC

[@ajc4477]

As usual, best explanation on supports that I've seen - even dullards like me can understand this. Thank you Mr Oilguy!

[@vogman]

I have to make things simple so that I can understand them 😁😁😁😁

[@dibblethwaite]

I'd never thought of fusing light supports together like that. Great tip.

[@vogman]

It's a useful technique. It strengthens them over distance and makes clean-up easier 😁

[@SuperLongfield]

After almost 2 months of failed experiments and almost 2 kg of resin, I found this video and I finally managed to have successfull prints. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge in such a clear and understandable manner!

[@fovexes]

I've recently bought my first 3D resin printer and this video has been so invaluable as I'm learning the software. Thank you so much!

[@GuppiGupper24]

You should support your support for better support for support which support support.

[@vogman]

Exactly. And if you have problems, contact the Support team 😁😁😁

[@dumbcat]

@@vogman hello support?

[@nic.h]

I support this support of supports

[@vogman]

Thank Nic, from me and all my supporters.

[@rod2d2rs]

Excelent tutorial. Absolute begginer here, don't even have a 3D printer yet and I'm already sorry for all my failed 3D prints I've never done.

[@arnineger2636]

очень похоже, как зовут печатника, который сделал фигурку? very similar, what is the name of the printer who made the figurine?

[@debadwolf9727]

I'm using 1.94. I know this video is a couple years old. When I first open chit u box I don't see all the red on the bottom untill I click on add supports. Then I have to go back into the non add support tab to adjust the model and it removes the red areas. Kind of a pain. Also it has an eyeball box to check in the support tab. I do that but the little hanging lines dont show up. Do you have a more updated version of this video or could make one. Or tell me what I might be doing wrong. Great video regardless and thanks it was so help full.

[@drgurssehmi]

Awesome Video! Thank you so much for the clear explanation!

[@billsaunders1879]

Great video, At the end you mentioned there was a better slicer. I went to your page but I could not find that video. I also noticed this video was a year old. What slicer do you consider the best today. I'm sure they all update and change over time.

[@ImaginationToForm]

Great information. Such a tease. Will have to wait for next video :(

[@vogman]

Just a few more hours... but it's worth the wait.

[@jacobroman3168]

These people they make these printers and this goo to print with ,”really” should pay you for all the insider information and tips that you’re giving... lotta people are VERY lucky that you do it for free, if it wasn’t for you , they wouldn’t know what to do with themselves🤣😂 keep ou the good work NOTORIOUS VOG!!!

[@vogman]

That's very kind Jacob 😁

[@HunterValleyDan]

Mate this is the best explanation of supports and how and why they are used that I have ever seen!! Great video Geoff!!

[@vogman]

Thanks Dan. I have to make things simple so I can understand them 😁

[@PatLures]

"I even support my supports" The future is now old man 😂

[@pandaphil]

I'm about six months into resin printing, and of all the videos I've watched, yours are the most pleasant, and easy to follow. Thank you so much!

[@theVariedLife]

I just purchased a Saturn 3 Ultra and have Chitubox Pro - thank you for the informative class. I really gives me confidence.

[@CraigLYoung]

Yeah... just leave us hanging. "Tune in next week, same VOG channel, same VOG time." Nice one!

[@vogman]

Craig, I'm sorry. I usually try not to finish mid... 😁

[@CraigLYoung]

@@vogman :ROFLOL! My wife is looking at me with a concerned look.

[@vogman]

I want to know how they acquire that look. Presumably at some point, they're pulled aside and told, "One day, you'll need this look. It works every time."

[@CraigLYoung]

@@vogman: Yeah but some are better than others. My future daughter-in-law looks can stop your heart.

[@chadzy3837]

I’ve never used a 3D printer yet I watched the entire thing.

[@vogman]

Glad to hear that 😁

[@BaresarkSlayne]

Great video. Thanks for this. I have my first 3D printer coming Friday so I'm trying to cram as much into my head as I can before I try my first print.

[@vogman]

Glad it was helpful!

[@CaritasGothKaraoke]

Sometimes I export the supported STL and pull it back into ZBrush and add non-scaffolding supports to hold up fiddly bits. Like, you can make shapes sort of like a candelabra/menorah sort of thing to hold up a bunch of tiny bits, or have serpentine supports that snake around and avoid intersecting. Rather than doubling up the scaffolding, I'll often put in an arch for an area that's holding up a lot.

[@red_eyed_sophist]

That was GREAT guide for me! I have alot of troubles with autosupporting. And now, I got nice exp. Many thx! :D

[@kazuhikosoma6242]

jezzzzzzz that voice, you're a dungeon mater, right? please tell me you're a dungeon master! ahhaha cool vid, thanks!!!!!!

[@1objection]

THANK YOU! Explaining why you rotate the print and what to look for is so valuable, I can't believe I haven't come across it sooner.

[@vogman]

Glad it was helpful!

[@MontanariMatheus]

I still get very bad results (saggings). Specially in miniatures with multiple parts that I have to glue together. For example: I print a Majin boo bust and legs When I try to glue them together, one or both parts are not flat, what causes a gap between them Any tips to solve this? BTW, awesome video, thanks for sharing this I'm running a Mars 2 Pro

[@Fidller1997]

Stumbled on this video and most of the things i've actually learned the hard way. Sagging on big flat surfaces for example. But the whole auto support stuff was pretty new for me and also using heavier supports. I barely have any failed prints but when i do its usually just thick and heavy prints like a Minigun from Fallout 4. Supported the hell out of it yet it still deformed. Rotated it 45 degrees and it came out perfect.

[@astroplutonium]

While resin printer results are truly fascinating, the process is more of a manufacturing production line rather than a one-stop-show that FDM printers are. If you do not feel like messing around with exhaust pipes, filtering, toxic fumes, chemicals that can burn your skin etc then FDM is the only option. But the results of resin are definitely 5-10x better. Good detailed video though.

[@VincentKraven]

My first 3D printer arrives on Wednesday. A Photon Mono X. This video was so clear and helpful!!! Had no idea how this all worked and I'm sure this has saved me countless hours of stress trying to figure it out on my own. Thanks!!

[@vogman]

Glad it helped! Look out for my cleaning guide as well. It may help. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oX2chXagqbWVrZY

[@crombajaa]

I know I'm late to this video. amazing explanation, Thanks! Can anyone let me know if this works for FDM printers as well or should I go with covering my entire model with supports?

[@FlashRoxx]

My supports fail no matter what I do, what size the object, light or heavy, including files that had no issues at all before, now the supports fail. Feel like I’ve tried everything. Infuriating and taking the fun out of it.

[@DD-DD-DD]

I use PrusaSlicer to generate supports, then export as STL With Supports. It does a much better job than Chitubox and the supports break away with very little cleanup. The auto-orient feature also works OK most of the time, but you have to sanity check the result.

[@vogman]

I think I can top your Prusa... look out for Friday's video 😁

[@Osmarsan_VR]

When I try to see places to put supports, the areas don't get red, is it like a setting I gotta turn on? I am using Chitubox v1.9.4, otherwise, I've learned a lot from this video, thank you so much!

[@M3di3valG]

A few people have asked why the red shading indicating an overhang that needs supporting isn't working for them. However, no one has come up with an answer. I'm having the same problem and have trawled google trying to find out why I don't have this red shading like everyone else. Is it something you have to turn on? Is it something obvious I'm missing? Please can someone answer this, it's driving me crazy.

[@BuckyMF]

Resin slicers really gotta catch up to FDM ones like Super Slicer, Orca Slicer, etc. auto supports work great for FDM. Wonder why resin slicers aren’t getting better

[@ac833]

Is chitubox the way to go for miniatures printing? My Elegoo Mars comes tomorrow and I'm looking for the best slicing software for what I'm printing

[@rudolfherwig7279]

Thanks a lot for explaining support problems so clearly understandable!! 👍😊

[@vogman]

Happy to help 😁

[@OneofInfinity.]

Thanks for the informative video. 21st century replicators can't print mid air (yet) 😆

[@johnspartan15]

I just got into printing and had a ton of questions from watching videos from other printers and this video covered every single last question I had with such exacting detail with a language I can firmly understand. Thank you so very much. I truly appreciate your time and help.

[@emanuelbecerra6775]

How often should you relevel your bed! I just got into 3D printing and I absolutely love it! But I'm still learning and trying my best to mitigate print fails.

[@bertpierey3655]

Thick (heavy) supports seem to work best for me. Pity it takes lots of extra resin, but otherwise it doesnt turn out good. Prefer my PLA printer still for lots of prints. Resin is best for details and faster with multiple copies of an object

[@Yeschurun]

I needed this video! I often print objects with flat surfaces and there always was a lot of sagging. Thanks for the great advice! :)

[@vogman]

Glad it was helpful!

[@perotekku]

The only time you really need to worry about over supporting, is if you're printing at production scale. And at that point, you'll probably have experimented and determined the best support pattern. But for most hobbyists, who only print one model maybe a dozen or so times, no sense in trying to save pennies of resin and risk a failed print.

[@djksfhakhaks]

Thanks for this video! I was trying to print a coin and couldnt quite wrape my head around why the bottom side was always flat. You didnt exactly cover that but the priciples that you show got me to understand it!

[@dumbcat]

i would be interesting to see you print a perfect cylinder tilted at 30 degrees. i cannot seem to get the bottom edge to print cleanly. it is almost always warped in some way

[@dumbcat]

@H D i clean the fep with ipa then coat with 3IN1 PTFE Lubricant and wipe off excess oil of course... every print

[@S7E7V7E7N]

Thanks for the video. You sound like the narrarator from Sack Boy, pretty cool.

[@josephvanwyk2088]

8:20 - So when you say "pre-supported" do you build an extra mesh in Blender with the stl? or do you just set it up like this already in Chitubox before sending it to printers?

[@BigerBoy]

Amazing video. Thanks a lot.

[@vogman]

Glad you liked it!

[@jeffreyvandenbroek9377]

Hi vogman, I really love your videos. I got a question, can you add metal or mica powders to the resin prior to printing?

[@uniquewargamingterrain9125]

Thank you for ti's video it has helped me as I'm New to 3d printing

[@yourlocalwigga151]

What would you say is the best way to cast for beginners? I am using gold and silver if that changes anything.

[@vogman]

You mention silver and gold... that sounds like jewellery. In honesty investment casting is the best way to go, either wax or resin casting.

[@yourlocalwigga151]

@@vogman i know this is a big request but can you do a tutorial on how to do investment casting? Or if you can't could you let me know of a good tutorial on it?

[@mazzadude]

Jesus. Must take hundreds of hours just cleaning up models prior to even being able to paint em.

[@johnroyal4913]

Im Glad you quit doing Thomas The Train and started this KZbin Channel.

[@liamstrutt9084]

Are you the guy who does the humbrol “how to” videos? You sound super familiar.

[@fishy555ns]

My main probably has been supports sticking to my models and then I have to use a knife and try and cut away the leftover support bits

[@discrete333]

Thank you so much....i was getting so frustrated!

[@Jarkus1337]

Came here for tips, stayed for the Bob Ross-like voice :D

[@sysop224]

Brilliant! Thank you - liked and subscribed.

[@IN10THRC]

Thank you for this. I've been FDM printing for 3+ years now, and have that process worked out pretty well. However, I've just started resin printing, and I am finding out that this process behaves quite unlike FDM printing, particularly when it comes to model orientation and support requirements. This video has shed some light on a couple recent failures and artifacts that I have experienced, and more importantly- why.

[@vogman]

Glad it helped

[@benfleck6081]

Do you have to have exactly zero islands to have a sucessful print?

[@jeffwiffaf]

I ordered a 3d printer recently and I've been going through it wondering how these supports worked. You've put me up on game thank you!!!

[@vogman]

Glad I could help 😁

[@braydenthomas2600]

Why are there 400k views on the video but only 18 likes?

[@Fr0z0rz]

God damn that is a beastly print! 0:01 Watching for islands is the biggest tips I learned, and the autosupports in Chitubox are not as good at Prusaslicer's. Thanks for the video, man.

[@jameslaine2472]

But how do you get Prusa slicer to output the .ctb files needed for Elegoo printers??

[@pinchopaxtonsgreatestminds9591]

Very helpful, so are you still using Chitubox?

[@kaizz000]

Thank you so much for the video! I feel dumb not seen this before those fail prints.

[@SansFear]

This is a great tutorial for someone like me who just got my hands on my first resin printer. Thanks for making this very helpful and informative video tutorial.

[@vogman]

Glad it was helpful!

[@carloscaraballo4121]

Been on the fence for some months now about buying a 3d printer but jump right in. Bout and Photon mono today, wash station and all the basics. While searching for how to video on KZbin found this one and truth it is one of the most useful I have seen.

[@vogman]

Thanks Carlos 😁😁😁

[@OldIronVideo]

Glad I watcheed this I had a failed print because I didn't have any of these I had to poor the resin out remove the print and put it back in not fun...

[@warrencann3824]

Studying up before my Phrozen 4k arrives - this video is brilliant! Just what I needed.

[@vogman]

Glad I could help. Look out for this Friday's video too. It's a slicer that makes life even easier 😊

[@mjwarlock]

you sir make me feel stupid XD thx alot for making this guide

[@mlubecke]

Awesome video. Thank you so much for sharing

[@NomaddUK]

I am new to SLA printing but have a lot of experience with FDM. This video has been invaluable and for that I have subbed and liked. Many thanks.!

[@vogman]

Glad it was helpful! Resin printing is different, obviously, but once you get you head around the basics, it's very rewarding. I did a few Beginners videos that you may find helpful kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2Oyaoabg7R2gqM

[@etienne8382]

Do you normally let the print cure before removing supports or do you remove them after it is cured?

[@johnmccanntruth]

Great tutorial! I just recently purchased my first fdm printer, and haven’t done any resin printing, so it was very interesting to see the differences. I really liked how the supports worked. I need to see if I can find this functionality for fdm printing.

[@vogman]

Unfortunately not... at least from what I've seen. I tend to use Cura and it does all the work for you : )

[@CustomrigsDe]

Thanks alot for that good informations about supports 😊👌

[@kenxchoi775]

so will it be spend twice resin of the model? and wht would you do and where to place all the supports? wht a waste😢

[@J-_-S]

ok but how do you add internal supports for large hollow prints?

[@Nen783]

Does the pink area turn blue again when you have the supports correct?

[@jerryh4400]

Great video! Thank you so much!

[@syanu79]

Thank you sir ... help me a lot.. detailed explanation...

[@3D-Seed]

You helped me a LOT.. THANKS !!

[@craftysean945]

I've been printing for a while now and was getting frustrated with supports. It felt like the more I printed the worse I got at them. This video really, really helped. Thank you very much :)

[@vogman]

Thanks Sean. I appreciate that 😁😁😁

[@Culturedropout]

FDM user here, with a noob question. Are resin prints always 100% infill if they have a solid outer shell? Is that just done to avoid having lots of internal supports? With FDM, the infill is pretty much automatically lined up with the previous layer. Is resin printing the same?

[@vogman]

Resin slicers have a Hollow function. You choose how thick you want the walls and the slicer removes the inside automatically. It then generally adds thinner internal supports to maintain the structure but reduce resin consumption. Holes are also usually included at either end of the print to let trapped resin drip free.

[@davidalvarez201]

Hello Geoff! Thanks for the video! I didn't know I could move the supports lol, learned something new as always with your videos!

[@vogman]

It makes a massive difference 😁😁😁

[@Fahnder99]

Well, is there no print simulator at all? (ok yes, lychee)

[@johnbiggscr]

I recently got a photon mono se (with the anycubic skin resin it came with or the new elegoo washable ceramic grey I just got) and I don’t get the detail quality you seem to be getting. I wonder if I’m missing a simple technique or setting or something, like exposure time etc. Do you use anti-alias with your prints? And what layer level do you use? Do you have a hints and tips video for detail?

[@vogman]

That's not something I've ever created a video about John, but I'll give that some thought. In honesty, for me the machines do all the work. Just make sure they're properly levelled and the resin has been well mixed (shaken). I do use anti alias and this can fade detail a little, but not too much. The Mono SE is a great printer. I was able to do some great prints with it straight out of the box - kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zn7FYYGMms16n9k Resin may be the issue. It might be worth switching to another bottle just to test. Oh, and grey just helps detail visually pop. I've never tried skin tones. Also, increase the Layer time by .5 seconds which is quite a bit on a Monochrome, or even 1 sec if you're feeling daring, and print something small. This is a deliberate attempt at overexposing the print. Under exposure gives you blurred results. Overexposure can lead to more printer lines and unwanted overhangs, etc. But personally I always lean toward over. See if that helps. If it does, you can either increase or decrease to dial in. Just remember, printing settings are a guide. What works on my printer might not work on yours, even though they're the same make and model, so some adjustment is very common. 😁

[@nps-ddpsavinglives]

Really good video explanation Thank you!

[@cloud432]

is there a limit to the amount of models i can print in one single print as long as it doesn't surpass the limits of the buildplate?

[@slimjim7411]

Oversupport? No such thing. I'd rather take 10 more minutes of cleanup than make a half formed waste of resin.

[@vogman]

We agree there 😁😁😁

[@Alihussein8]

As a beginner with 3D printing I’m having some trouble creating supports. Don’t know how many to use or exactly where. I’m using Cura with a creality ender 3 printer. Any help/guidance would be much appreciated! 😊

[@SergeyBodnarchuk]

Voice of narrator from Peppa Pig cartoons - calm, soft and teaching. How it must be for small SLA boys and girls ) Greetings from Russian watchers!

[@polyestermammoth740]

I received my first printer two days ago. I’ve had successful prints until today, when printing a platform floor that ended up with a bowed edge. I was perplexed, but it seems that it sagged because of inadequate support. Thanks for this video- it’s helped me to avoid this problem moving forward as I know what to look for now, and I’m about to start printing some much larger pieces. Thank you 🙏🏻

[@Rohnon]

A mate of mine just started Resinprinting recently, but I guess he didn't read up on the topic enough. His prints failed, as in only the supports were printed, but not the model itself. Any idea what the problem could be? Is it supports?

[@vogman]

There are lots of possibilities but most likely with a newbie is too thin and too few supports. It's natural to want to avoid using them to prevent spoiling the print, but there's surprising weight to a print and the process literally sucks at the print, pulling on the supports during the process. That's why I always encourage the use of a number of heavy anchor prints and then move on from there. Share this video with him and if he has issues he can always drop me a line 😁

[@pezpengy9308]

amazing video, thank you! :)

[@BOOTLEGTOYCO]

Finally! This just clicked!