This 3D Printer infill is the strongest (3D Printer Academy Tested - Episode 2)

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3D Printer Academy

3D Printer Academy

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There are many different types of 3D printer infills to choose from, but which one is the strongest? Does infill or wall count matter more? Let’s find out!
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-Steven

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@ScytheNoire
@ScytheNoire 5 ай бұрын
5 years ago Stefan at CNC Kitchen did testing on infills. His results were similar to yours, however, he also took time to print into consideration, which eliminated both honeycomb infills, as they took 3x as long to print. That left Gyroid and Cubic the recommended infills.
@3DPrinterAcademy
@3DPrinterAcademy 5 ай бұрын
Printers are so much faster now. I don’t think time-to-print is as critical as back then. In this example print time is as follows: Lightning: 27m Gyroid: 34m Grid: 34m 3D Honeycomb: 41m For most applications that require strength, I don’t think 7 minutes makes any difference.
@McRootbeer
@McRootbeer 5 ай бұрын
Going from 3 times as long to only about 20​% longer is pretty amazing. Any interest in seeing which infill is the best thermal insulation? @@3DPrinterAcademy
@sergeb7945
@sergeb7945 5 ай бұрын
@@3DPrinterAcademy Gyroid print time greatly depends on the max acceleration of your printer, as its curved nature implies permanent changes in direction / accelerations, whereas grids and other "linear" types of infill are not. And I think time is actually still critical. Not for small prints, for sure: I came from my 1st printer 8 years ago, a MK8 RepRap, printing at 30mm/s to a Voron 2.4 today, printing at 350mm/s, on a larger bed, but one thing hasn't drastically changed : average print time. I can now consider way larger designs and prints than before, and usually keep max print time under 8 hours. 7 minutes difference over a 30 min print doesn't make much difference. Over an 8 hours print, you would save almost 2 hours. This is critical
@mozhmike
@mozhmike 5 ай бұрын
Don't forget about rapid changes in movement directions which potentially wear printer's mechanics. Cubic infill is choice of mine
@roberto4898
@roberto4898 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, the results are similar. Turns out one of the best infills is the one you got when you open your first slicer.
@MiG82au
@MiG82au 4 ай бұрын
It's a fallacy that the optimum point for two parameters is where their 2D curves cross over. It's actually the peak of a 3D solution space describing the strength to weight at every combination of infill and wall count.
@leahheffernan4644
@leahheffernan4644 Ай бұрын
Was thinking the exact same
@garypalicka8585
@garypalicka8585 19 күн бұрын
Based on this data, the best combination is the highest point on each curve.
@Qwarzz
@Qwarzz 5 ай бұрын
Might also be interesting to know how strong the infills are in another axis. From my experience Gyroid is quite good in all directions. But it's nice to see that still if you want strenght, you add walls.
@Reza1984_
@Reza1984_ 5 ай бұрын
Exactly my thoughts, he should've tested at least the vertical and horizontal axes
@Qwarzz
@Qwarzz 5 ай бұрын
@@Reza1984_ So many different ways to test, so many datapoints :)
@SWREngineering
@SWREngineering 5 ай бұрын
Should not use a square. A tube with a 3 mm hole in the center, so it would load the infills in all directions...
@conorstewart2214
@conorstewart2214 5 ай бұрын
Infill probably will be more significant on thicker prints where the distance between the walls is greater. The strength due to walls probably drops off quickly as the distance between the walls increases.
@kitame6991
@kitame6991 5 ай бұрын
also type of beam shape, in structural engineering its very well known that I-beams have better strength to weight ratio than square beams in one direction of load. so it would be an interesting test to see if using an I-beam shape with infill on both sides of the web would outperform a square beam with infill inside.
@rogerfroud300
@rogerfroud300 4 ай бұрын
Gyroid makes the most sense to me, because it's not only very strong, but it's also very quick to print because the pattern can be laid down continuously as much as possible. Thanks for taking the time to do these tests and report your findings, it's really helpful.
@zlac
@zlac 4 ай бұрын
You should probably normalize infill percentage so all the parts will have exactly the same weight, then "Strength/Weight" will be the most important stat because weight will be the same!
@boehserenkel
@boehserenkel 4 күн бұрын
I'd go for strength/speed. I don't care about the weight but about the most strength in the least time (also he did strenght/weight)
@CroissantCreates
@CroissantCreates 5 ай бұрын
I always taught my students to use gyroid for solid objects for the better aesthetics when visible through walls and stronger strength with the same material use as triangles. So glad to see your results supported my experience!
@PJ-oe6eu
@PJ-oe6eu 5 ай бұрын
I really don't like gyroid when it's semi visible through the walls. It reminds me of worms or parasites crawling around skin deep or funky looking veins.
@olafabels6601
@olafabels6601 5 ай бұрын
Sorry, you missed to show in what direction the infill was oriented in the test. It makes a difference if you apply bending on a part in original z or y direction. If your profile would have been asymmetic i could see by myself, but as you use a square profile, it is hard to precisely make out, which direction is used.
@sylvainlathuy2702
@sylvainlathuy2702 5 ай бұрын
I paused the video: The pieces are being broken laterally! I bet the other orientation will show better results and gyroid will not end on top any more.
@herculet
@herculet 5 ай бұрын
Funny how a week ago I was looking for this exact video because a prototype of mine with gyroid infill just snapped easily, then I printed again with 3D Honeycomb (adds 14% more grams, ABS) and it's probably 3x as strong. One of the important things to look into is the orientation of it, as gyroid infills print 4 layers per "switch in infill directions" so for every 4 layers it's pretty snappable into a spaghetti-looking remains. Shape, material, and walls play proportional parts altogether as well in achieving the most efficient prints
@itachione2483
@itachione2483 5 ай бұрын
Yes, i had this problem too. It really depends for the gyroid infill, what orientation it starts , how tall is your modell and where te force comes.
@NoPancakeMixLeft
@NoPancakeMixLeft 4 ай бұрын
This is exactly the type of nuance that needs to be in these kinds of videos!! Please pin this comment lol
@givemeanameman1
@givemeanameman1 4 ай бұрын
Infill should not make a part stronger in terms of tensile strength in real measurable way...(you stated snap, so I assume it wasnt a compressive failure) If its having a significant effect it means your walls are not thick enough, and you can increase strength to a greater degree using the plastic in the walls rather then infill. Infill is to provide compressive strength and internal support for layers, not overall strength.
@xenontesla122
@xenontesla122 5 ай бұрын
Great experiments! I especially like how you designed the 3 point tester. One minor thing is that intersecting the graphs like at 4:05 isn't the best way to optimize. Imagine if one graph were a horizontal line and the other graph curves above it. The best place would be at that peak, not where they intersect. So I'd pick from the peaks in each graph.
@marcus3d
@marcus3d 5 ай бұрын
It's not a minor problem! The intersection solely depends on how he aligns wall count to infill ratio, so is completely arbitrary. Geez! 🤦‍♂️
@avelkm
@avelkm 5 ай бұрын
I'm curious about his motivation about this intersection on a graph being optimal. It seems wrong. From this test you want to minimize infill and maximize wall count. Don't see anything special about infill and walls str/weight being equal. What are we optimizing for, exactly? More meaningful experiment would be to test strength of a piece for given weight changing wall count and infill simultaneously. And test for different weights as the optimal point would probably shift.
@LastIberianLynx_GameDev
@LastIberianLynx_GameDev 5 ай бұрын
Great video. Would like to see tests done also on tensile and compression strength. They will certainly give different results according to the shape.
@mirrikybird
@mirrikybird 5 ай бұрын
It would also depend on the direction of force. If you only need to support weight in one direction that is simple, but if force can be applied in any direction that is another thing.
@jjhbhd520
@jjhbhd520 3 ай бұрын
Good video. I'm not completely convinced that the intersection point is the most optimal, though. It would be interesting to see strength when weight is kept equal and strength tests for both axes.
@felixu95
@felixu95 3 ай бұрын
I'm questioning if the intersection of the two lines is actually anything particularly notable. Sure they're both plotting strength/weight ratio, but they are fully independent variables. That methodology of reading the plots would only make sense if increasing perimeters also implies increases in infill - clearly that's not the case. How I read those graphs is that to get the highest strength in a standard beam deflection test, load up your perimeters and reduce the infill to just where it can support the shape of the beam internally. Essentially, make a fancy I-beam (or boxed beam if we're being pedantic). Also, the exclusive focus on strength to weight has its own slight issues - like the lightning infill results seem to support.
@Stryker200000
@Stryker200000 4 ай бұрын
Suprised no one has mentioned this, but apparently hexagons, are still, the bestagons
@theanonymusguy
@theanonymusguy 5 ай бұрын
I this the thing about honeycomb is that a hexagon has the lowest perimeter compared to its area, so it probably just made the part lighter. Maybe you could try 0% infill with just walls filling the entire part?
@xenontesla122
@xenontesla122 5 ай бұрын
It actually turned out to be the 3rd heaviest one ( 6:00 ). I definitely wouldn’t have expected it to do so well. I wonder if further tests would show the same thing…
@AdamSpurgin
@AdamSpurgin 5 ай бұрын
Missed the opportunity to test out adaptive cubic at high infill percentage. It scales up differently than the rest, only increasing density near the walls. Whenever i need an incredibly stiff part i do adaptive cubic at 99% infill with three walls.
@dchurch911
@dchurch911 4 ай бұрын
Lighting for the win!!! Regardless of the reason. I'll have to do some further testing.
@itayst
@itayst 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for making this video. First, let's assume the flow ratio is correctly set for each filament, as that will obviously has a direct impact on any part's strength. Also, I'm afraid that without testing different extrusion (line) widths for the top-performing infills you cannot state that infill A is better than infill B. Moreover, different types of infills serve different purpose when loaded in different directions, so that's also something to consider when choosing infill types for a part. Last but not least - certain infills like Hilbert Curve, Archimedian Chords and Octogram Spiral are to be considered for visual appeal of a part, either in first or topmost layers. Lightning infill is to be used for a model which requires no rigidy (such as a display model or a statue) but still has to support some internal structure. It has a potential to save a ton of time and material.
@Embassy_of_Jupiter
@Embassy_of_Jupiter 5 ай бұрын
Considering 3D honeycomb and gyroid are very close, test the two against each other at various infill densities. Gyroid is generally faster and stronger in your tests, but that might change with different infill density.
@haydenc2742
@haydenc2742 5 ай бұрын
Very nice! I usually print 3 walls at 20~% infill...now I know they are pretty much optimum for strength/weight...and my default infill is cubic I like your testing methods and multiple tests with different types of geometries and infill/walls setup...it really covers alot of the "normal" slicer settings most people use. Keep em coming!!!!
@avelkm
@avelkm 5 ай бұрын
It is not, unfortunately he made a mistake implying that. He hadn't tested for best infill/wall ratio and those graphs tell very little about that (and even if they were, he used them incorrectly)
@joe_limon
@joe_limon Ай бұрын
Optimum according to his graphs are 20% infill with 8 layers of wall
@Auyl97
@Auyl97 4 ай бұрын
When I got started with printing I admit that at first I really only looked at what infill looked the coolest and chose Gyroid. Then I though about it and drew the conclusion that Gyroid must also be one of the strongest infills since it redirects the force away from the direction it is trying to travel in, strengthening the piece as it does. It works kind of like the straws that Mark Rober used in his egg drop video.
@mitchellchermak8071
@mitchellchermak8071 18 күн бұрын
Very interesting findings. Thanks for sharing! One thing I would suggest is maybe using a tensile test to compare infils next time. Since you're loading these beams in bending, the most critical factor is the wall thickness. Much of the infill is close to the neutral axis, and therefore contributes very little to the bending strength. In a tensile test, the print orientation relative to the load orientation would be critical too. Thanks again for the info!
@No_Free_Lunch_Today
@No_Free_Lunch_Today 5 ай бұрын
Thanks, I appreciate you taking the time and effort to do this
@Avargatoth
@Avargatoth 4 ай бұрын
This is awesome!!!! I love 3d printing soo much and i love to see new ways to use and adapt to life. Fantastic video!!!!
@cosmefulanito5933
@cosmefulanito5933 5 ай бұрын
One of the reasons why I always use Gyroid is that it always works well. It's quick to print and maintains a good surface for the tops.
@user-ix9lx4sp1z
@user-ix9lx4sp1z 5 ай бұрын
Gyroid is quick to print? In what world?
@cosmefulanito5933
@cosmefulanito5933 5 ай бұрын
@@user-ix9lx4sp1zOn this world, of course. Use the option "Connect infill lines" or something like that (I do not have Ultimaker Cura in English) and you will se.
@givemeanameman1
@givemeanameman1 4 ай бұрын
@@user-ix9lx4sp1z gyroid only increases print times by about 5% for me vs cubic.
@VoidScytheX
@VoidScytheX 4 ай бұрын
@@user-ix9lx4sp1z In the group of strongest infills, Gyroid is one of the faster infills to print
@emanuelstone2131
@emanuelstone2131 Ай бұрын
Great video! I really liked how straight forward and well structured you presented your results, without additional stuff to artificially lengthen the video. Great that you put so much effort to get some knowledge for the community. I would really like to see more. For example it would be interesting to see how well the different infill pattern perform when it comes to multilateral forces applied.
@circleofowls
@circleofowls 5 ай бұрын
Really interesting tests, yes please do more of this! I'd personally like to see the top performing infills tested again with different filaments to see how dependent the infill is on rigidity. I'd also be curious to see if the ideal infill percentage varies with each infill geometry.
@p1mrx
@p1mrx 4 ай бұрын
It would be interesting to test small parts (1-2mm thick) using 100% infill and various numbers of walls. I think more walls can actually reduce strength in that case, because walls are identical from layer to layer, whereas 100% infill crosses itself at right angles.
@markp5549
@markp5549 5 ай бұрын
Fantastic video and format. Pure science. Thank you.
@andymeenanvideos
@andymeenanvideos 5 ай бұрын
Im more interested in hotend stability and wear and tear with each infill, this would be a fantastic watch.Also print duration of each infill would have been nice,great video.
@Walt1119
@Walt1119 5 ай бұрын
Great video, proved several tests/points and wasn't an hours long video with meaningless talking! Thanks for sharing w us!
@tube71000
@tube71000 Ай бұрын
I haven't done proper empirical testing, but on small (smaller than 2 fists), mechanical parts, you get way better strength with increase in shell thickness (perometers and top/bottom layers) than with infill. Infill helps on large stuff, and even then you get more strength with more perimeters more quickly. Usually when I find myself thinking about the strength of the infill, you're already way past the amount of forces that a plastic part can reliably withstand.
@yellowcrescent
@yellowcrescent Ай бұрын
Interesting to see how infill contributes in part breaking strength. Although I think infill% and infill pattern are likely more important for compression strength than for tensile strength. When loaded in the test fixture shown, the outer layers are going to be taking most of the force-- which is probably why the often-cited advice is to increase perimeter layers rather than infill% if you want higher breaking/tensile strength). Whereas in compression, the infill is contributing a much higher component. I usually use triangle infill for parts needing high compression strength and increase perimeter count when I need higher general strength. The 3D honeycomb and some of the other more complex infill types take a *massive* amount of additional time for large parts. At 15% infill, one of my large parts would take over 78 hours with 3D honeycomb, 36 hours with Gyroid, and 31 hours with Grid. For smaller parts, the time difference probably matters less, but it's usually around 50% to 100% longer due to all the direction changes.
@gsdtdeaux7
@gsdtdeaux7 Ай бұрын
Gyroid is what i use bc its strong, fast, and eliminates high spots that can cause the nozzle to knock the part off the bed. The others get high spots where the infill crosses over the previous pass. Theres a few videos on this too
@danielmattos2813
@danielmattos2813 5 ай бұрын
As an engineer This was a damm good video i would love to see further testing on the infill when exposed to different kinds of loads namely (compressive, tension, torsion, etc)
@kkyehall1876
@kkyehall1876 3 ай бұрын
Yes! Definitely agree with this. I don't think I've actually see a whole lot of testing being done on torsion either
@jonathan3518
@jonathan3518 3 ай бұрын
And other axis
@LeDibeau
@LeDibeau 3 ай бұрын
one of the most useful tests!
@VoidScytheX
@VoidScytheX 4 ай бұрын
Nice work, thx for uploading.
@lynxfpv
@lynxfpv 5 ай бұрын
Very useful! Toying around with printing the "FPV pickle frame" which is a micro toothpick frame either 3" or 3.5". This video gives me much good info to think about. 🎉❤
@theweez510
@theweez510 10 күн бұрын
Generally when I am printing a structural part I am not too concerned if the weight goes up slightly as I am more concerned with the total amount of load it can handle. With that being said I am glad I generally go with 3d honeycomb or gyroid, they always looked the best structurally to my eye. I often forget about adding walls, thanks for the entertaining research!
@cookies99p66
@cookies99p66 2 ай бұрын
CHEP looked at infill wall count - he found you could reduce infill percentage, filament used, and increase strength by increased the wall count to 2, - stronger part less filament. Would be interesting to feed his results into yours and see what the optimal is.
@victorreppeto7050
@victorreppeto7050 4 ай бұрын
I learned a lot from this video. Thank you for taking the time to share with us.
@colororb4105
@colororb4105 Ай бұрын
I'd love to see an updated version of these tests that includes the brand new Cross Hatch infill. It replaces Grid as the new default infill pattern in Bambu and Orca slicers! It was created by Bambu Labs and improved by the Orca Slicer team to work better at lower percentages.
@GUCR44
@GUCR44 4 ай бұрын
Very very cool. Thanks for making this video.. I learned alot here.. Keep on doing this. Thanks Rolfie
@rapache1
@rapache1 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for posting this saved me a lot of time
@gabrieltunia2073
@gabrieltunia2073 5 ай бұрын
This is absolutely fantastic video! :)
@rogueneuron
@rogueneuron 2 ай бұрын
I appreciate how well you detailed your scientific method :)
@48tblock
@48tblock 5 ай бұрын
I’d love to see the infills tested with part weight held constant. I’d bet adaptive cubic would see greater improvement relative to the rest of the pack given how infill is denser near the walls. #adaptivecubicftw
@TrollFaceTheMan
@TrollFaceTheMan 5 ай бұрын
Another awesome video! Thank man!
@NYehns
@NYehns 5 ай бұрын
Lets talk about plastic deformation! But first, great video! I appreciate the effort to be scientific. Your video covered fracture strength, which is definitely useful. I also think it would be useful to know the strength of all these parts be at the point just before they are permanently deformed (aka plastic deformation). This would be very useful, since i think most of us printing functional parts would not really like to have the part operating in a deformed state. Disclaimer: i understand polymers have a funky stress strain curve, where the elastic region of deformation is… atypical of other materials. I also know that parts under a bending moment exhibit a different curve than parts under tensile stress
@SirLANsalot
@SirLANsalot 2 ай бұрын
The reason Cubic is so good is the best trade off on time to print, and part strength. It gives support in all directions, and 3d honeycomb does this too but takes a lot longer to print since your printer has to do a lot of cornering. All other infills give strength in only one direction or are just for fun.
@gordonrain7152
@gordonrain7152 5 ай бұрын
Decent video on the subject. I also skimmed through the comments and I couldn't find reference to an ingredient that (some) people may not be taking into consideration when it comes to infill shape, and that is vibration. For example, as much as Gyroid may be a regular choice for some, I've found that what I will call 'wiggle' patterns not only cause excessive wear on the mechanics of your printer, but also have a direct affect on your printing quality...even on the print quality of nearby printers. I have an Anycubic Kobra Max sitting in it's enclosure right next to an Elegoo Neptune 4 Max (also in its enclosure) on the same table, and whilst the Kobra Max is performing the Gyroid infill on one project it shakes the table a tad too much and begins to affect the printing on the Neptune 4 Max, so much so that I can actually see layer shift that corresponds to the infill portions of the printing next door.....hence, as much as I may like Gyroid or even Sinusoidal, I generally stick to non 'wiggle' infills that are predominantly made up of straight lines. Just MHO.
@willofthemaker
@willofthemaker 5 ай бұрын
Thanks fo4 doing all the testing. Very interesting! Did you have them oriented the same way? Would be interesting to see how print orientation effects print strength
@RCShowdown
@RCShowdown 5 ай бұрын
What a great video! Short, interesting, highly informative! Thanks! Since the video of Stefan from CNC Kitchen I used Gyroid since it's somehow the best compromise between print speed and strength in all directions. Lighting for example is best for lightweight applications, but if you compare the absolute strength it's not that great. It's only the highest score because of the low weight.
@InfiniteNesLives
@InfiniteNesLives 3 ай бұрын
Great video dude, out here answering all our questions..
@xXKisskerXx
@xXKisskerXx 24 күн бұрын
the infill strength and infill percentage also has another variable I don't see tested. The number of infill lines. In Cura you can easily double the lines and connect the polygons and then halve the % and it seems to come out just as strong as doubling the % itself. 3D Honeycomb, or Space Bees, is typically better than Gyroid, when it comes to fast printing. The reason is the fast printers having to 'wiggle back and forth' so much for Gyroid, tends to introduce some irregular patterns, the "Space Bees" however, only does a line, a diagonal, then another line, and repeats for the layer, not a wavy pattern but more 'straight" this can help reduce the vibrations and the 'crossing of layers' that might create build up or undesirable effects. However, this is mostly printer dependent and honestly - with such close calculated expressions - whichever one you desire, is the one you should pick.
@OlaviMurto
@OlaviMurto 3 ай бұрын
Nice testing, however I think the other two orientations should be included in the test to make it relevant, since most of these are only symmetrical in one axis. For clarity, these other two would be done by: 1. Using the very same model used here, but rotated on it's side 2. Printing with the same settings, but flipping the model on the slicer so that one of the small ends is on the printing surface. For example concentric is ranked 3rd in strength here, but with the other two orientations I'm quite sure it wouldn't be. It would be nice to get comparable testing results and rankings for each orientation, and an average for each type of infill. With a quick google I didn't find any results on people doing comprehensive tests like that. Since you already have the rig and methods in place I think you would be the perfect person to do it.
@DeathCoreGuitar
@DeathCoreGuitar 3 ай бұрын
I love Gyroid infill a lot, it's strong in all directions, looks cool, prints relatively fast and awesome overall. For big non functional prints I use 8% Gyroid infill and it makes a good base for all top layers to lay on. Something functional I use 15-20% with 4 walls (0.6mm nozzle) or if the client says 100% infill I do that
@MrYabbie
@MrYabbie Ай бұрын
Fantastic - Thanks for this. I am looking into this for sheer strength of a gaming table part joiner. Will take your advice onboard and test the walls and likely use honeycomb for the dimentional advantages of the shape
@KolMan2000
@KolMan2000 3 ай бұрын
A large note for this is considering that some perform better for vertical infill and some perform better for horizontal infill. The force applied on the beam should be tested in both directions.
@koenvanduffel2084
@koenvanduffel2084 5 ай бұрын
What about the anisotropy of some infill types. Did you test them in their strongest or weakest direction?
@asteliaz
@asteliaz 5 ай бұрын
I would hope he tested in the same orientation as they were printed, but it'd be interesting to see what the changes would be should they be retested in a perpendicular orientation from which they were printed.
@Aanaartu
@Aanaartu 4 ай бұрын
Definitely interesting. More data is needed!
@katharinahengesbach7533
@katharinahengesbach7533 29 күн бұрын
Thank you! Very useful for my ongoing project😊
@connorhaughton6027
@connorhaughton6027 Ай бұрын
Adaptive cubic seems to me to be the best balance of print time, strength, and filament used. Gyroid and 3d honeycomb are both useful, but I've found they often take a bit longer and can really rattle/shake some printers with the constant change of direction. (Adaptive) cubic avoids that. Good video.
@TransNeingerian
@TransNeingerian Ай бұрын
The thickness of the infill design needs to be same as the thickness of the walls and all the other designs to even make any useful comparison. Some designs are being held back or are inflated by the constraining walls. The ratio matters, so make it the same. The strongest one per weight is going to be a simple truss design, but at least you can gather data on how much weaker other designs will be.
@sierraecho884
@sierraecho884 Күн бұрын
I would like to see the "Cross Hatch" pattern compared to the others and also print behavior meaning shaking while printing should be interesting. Biggest downside to gyroid is print speed and shaking so I am looking for a better infill with similar amazing anisotropic and strength behavior.
@avelkm
@avelkm 5 ай бұрын
I feel like your graph intersection is intuitive but wrong. What benefit of having infill and wall count str/weight being equal? if anything, you would want to find maximum of a difference between both values, but it's also give wrong answer cause you made those graphs not independently (wall tests had infill, infill tests had walls). Lightning infill being "the best" perfectly highlights this issue. Better experiment would be to test the strongest wall/infill configuration for a given weight (and for several different weights as maximum point would probably shift).
@GWRus77
@GWRus77 2 ай бұрын
Excellent video, but there is a unique issue that occurs with the different forms of infills such the the percentages are less accurate the more complicated the infill pattern is resulting in the change in overall weight of the part. This would indicate that the more complicated or heavier parts based on infill are giving you more infill than requested. Basic density calculations prove this given the same material is being used for each. CNC, just using them as an example as you certainly have many excellent methods here, adjusted the infill % to more closely achieve the same weight of the part thereby creating a more fair comparison of strength to weight by keeping another one of the parameters constant.
@rosskappa5410
@rosskappa5410 14 күн бұрын
Amazing! Thank you for your contribution
@ARandomTroll
@ARandomTroll 4 ай бұрын
my defaults are: Adaptive cubic because it's fast, easy and most efficient for big parts. Bad for warp prone materials because straight lines. Gyroid for warp prone materials that would self destruct with cubic. Also internally connected cavities, relevant for flooding/ drying. Archimedean chords for parts that need to flex in a specific way.
@TheWebgecko
@TheWebgecko 18 күн бұрын
From the thumbnail I thought there was a ‘packed circles’ infill. I’d be curious to see how that would work. And maybe 3D packed sphere infill? Though the overhangs might prove infeasible
@Argosh
@Argosh 4 ай бұрын
It'd be hella interesting to see samples of infill percentage in the different types of infill. And yes, I know what amount of printtime I just casually threw around. Your testing is actually quite close to standardized load testing for shear strength. Theres three more that are relevant: with one end supported and one free, compression along long axis and torsion against twisting load. I suspect that honeycomb and cubic will be of highest interest.
@danielcristian1977
@danielcristian1977 5 ай бұрын
I tested wider infill width. I wasn't able to test, just hoping the extra material deposited would increase the strength overall. With your tests maybe I should make wider walls.
@NicktheMedic
@NicktheMedic 3 ай бұрын
I really like the 3D honeycomb, it looks good and I feel like outsourcing that design to nature is funny, I think bees have put more thought into tiny structures than me.
@Titan3DAZ
@Titan3DAZ 5 ай бұрын
I would recommend doing the infill density tests on all the infills and then the wall tests with all the infills, plotting everything on a graph and finding the strongest weight to strength ratio of all. I can definitely see 20% gyroid with like 4 walls being extraordinarily strong for its weight compared to others having to have more walls or more density. Just a prediction, but I would love to see the testing be more in-depth.
@avimor5751
@avimor5751 4 ай бұрын
Great video, yet when you talk about infills you should mention printing time which is crucial even in bambu lab printers and alike.
@Hungmorad
@Hungmorad 5 ай бұрын
Keep yp the great work, very interesting to watch! Personally I usually use gyroid and now know that I can keep using that and mix between walls and infill percentage to optimise :)
@aakashs1806
@aakashs1806 3 ай бұрын
This content is worth to be published as an international journal.
@Gambiarte
@Gambiarte 5 ай бұрын
I'm newbie to 3D printing but this is my thougths: Problem with honeycombs is it is slow to print as the print head needs to change direction very often. Gyroid shakes a lot during the print, so I'm avoiding it, but still like it. Cubic offers a good strength combined with fast print as it is just straight lines. For me, cubic is winning by now.
@jacylegault1713
@jacylegault1713 4 ай бұрын
Nice work!
@terryclair2914
@terryclair2914 4 ай бұрын
Great work, thank you!
@nickyd979
@nickyd979 5 ай бұрын
Great info!!
@Wm200
@Wm200 5 ай бұрын
Another issue I ran into is not the overall strength of the print but the warping over time you may get if not using the right infill which this video should help me better understand. Thank you.
@orionmec
@orionmec 4 ай бұрын
Nice.... Very informative!
@kmcrafting4837
@kmcrafting4837 5 ай бұрын
Great vid! For more meaningful results each setting test should be run at least 3 times, ideally 5. Would love to see a walls+infill combined variable test. Overall, my suggestion would be to pick the best performing metrics from these results and iterate on those settings. With 5 samples per setting you can toss an outlier and perform meaningful statistical comparisons. Cheers for the great content, looking forward to more!
@S.A.S.H.
@S.A.S.H. 5 ай бұрын
I'd be really interested to see these stats with print time included. Really the bast balance of time to strength matters more to me than strength to weight does. Having said that this was great information presented in a very easy to understand format. Thanks for the work!
@SiqueScarface
@SiqueScarface Ай бұрын
Now we need a test for other forces: How good is tension resistance? How good is shearing resistance? How good is pressure resistance? Etc.pp.
@segment932
@segment932 5 ай бұрын
This is a 100% solid video. 😁👍 It would be good if you could measure the plastic deformation point of the print to, because (If I remember correctly) that is the point of where the material can return to its original form with out being destroyed.
4 ай бұрын
Awesome video!! It would be interesting to check the number of lines in the infill (line multiplier). I usually print with a line multiplier of 3 and an infill density of 10%; the print feels very sturdy.
@tomsimmons4482
@tomsimmons4482 13 күн бұрын
Be interesting to see what happens when the load isn't applied over but rather through the test piece, be that a printed hole through it with x walls or an attachment point that is part of the test piece (hook) or a screw into the the test piece
@jandastroy
@jandastroy 4 ай бұрын
Greater sample size plus stricter measurements (for example deformation start vs failure would be a useful metric) would definitely improve this project. It's really good stuff though!
@duaneevenson1670
@duaneevenson1670 4 ай бұрын
When you were giving the results, it would have been helpful to have a picture of the infill type beside each name. I couldn't remember which was which from you quick introduction to the infills earlier.
@theanonymusguy
@theanonymusguy 5 ай бұрын
I was going to sleep... Its 5am...
@3DPrinterAcademy
@3DPrinterAcademy 5 ай бұрын
9pm over here
@ShrimpLTD
@ShrimpLTD 5 ай бұрын
2am here :/
@YoSpiff
@YoSpiff 3 ай бұрын
I've been using gyroid as my default because of the strength and I like the way it looks. (useful in drip trays of various kinds) I recently switched to 3D honeycomb as it appeared to be almost as strong, but prints a little faster with less vibration. Judging from your results, my assumption was correct. I'll probably use that now and just go to gyroid when I need maximum strength.
@danko6582
@danko6582 5 ай бұрын
Lighting is close to a monocoque, but a bare shell isn't ideal for all shapes. This video reminds us that infill still has a lot of potential for enhancement. It needs some kind of intelligent design on a print by print basis, be it AI or HI.
@blackbomb64
@blackbomb64 4 ай бұрын
4:01 The number of walls and the infill % are mutually exclusive (for strength/weight), so why use the intersection? The actual approx. max strength/weight ratio is the parameter that has the highest ratio! In your results, that 10% infill and 8 walls. Think about it: why do you place the infill curve axis(0-80%) on the wall count axis (1-8) such that 80% infill correlates to 8 walls? You could also have done only 4 walls in your test set, so then 80% infill would correlate with 4 walls? Since the axes are independent of each other, you can't overlay them all willy-nilly. This is why some comments are saying that you are better off using thicker walls than trying to increase infill density for this type of mechanical failure. Infill is more useful for compression integrity when the walls can't be used to support the applied force.
@JK31201
@JK31201 3 ай бұрын
Great video and info, thank you for doing it! I appreciate that you factored in strength to weight ratios because as 3d printers, we're always concerned about how much filament is used, but there are times where we only care about strength and using an additional 10 grams of filament isn't a factor in the decision. It would be nice to have organized them based off only strength too. Also would have been cool to know what wall count you used while doing the infill percentage and the other way around and then taking the best from both and seeing how strong you could make one part. Just my 2 cents 😊 great video though
@erikrustad5200
@erikrustad5200 Ай бұрын
So the best combination is 3 walls and 15% gyroid infill? Awesome test by the way! Good work!
@ivanpetrov2540
@ivanpetrov2540 5 ай бұрын
in the table, place a shading (or image) that corresponds to the type of fill, because in a quick short video, when you first watch it, it is difficult to remember which number in your test corresponds to which fill
@de_fer5322
@de_fer5322 4 ай бұрын
The video is really interesting. Of course, from the point of view of strength of materials, it would be more accurate to conduct tensile and compression tests. Bending is a special case of these loads. On the other hand, 3D printing differs from the standard approach. As the part is manufactured layer by layer, this results in varying strength depending on the point of application of the force. The parts are more vulnerable to forces applied perpendicular to the plane of the layer. They are also vulnerable to torque in this plane.
@mbutzkies3077
@mbutzkies3077 3 ай бұрын
You should analyze infill in pure shear, mechanically that is its primary purpose. It would be some sort of punch fixture.
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